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Hi Ron,

too bad your folks run into problems like that :(
We really want to help, but...

Ron Broglio wrote:
> The problem students are having is that they can create an object, but 
> then when they go to edit it, it isn't there and throws a server error.

... this description is only marginally less vague than the first one... 
so all answers would really be long shots in the dark. It would help if 
they could be more specific:

- Which enCore version?
- Who did the last update/restart, and why, and how, and
- What has been done prior to that?
- Was the restart combined with an upgrade?

"they can create an object"
- from the command line?
- from the Xpress Object Editor?
- What do they get as a result ("You have now #4234")
- Can that object (#4234) be evaluated, and what does it say?
- Can the object.location be evaluated?

"when they go to edit it"
- edit what (property)?
- in the Xpress Object Editor?
- in the Xpress Program Editor?
- in the command Line?
- in MyStuff?

"it isn't there"
- in <player>.owned_objects (evaluated)?
- in the list of objects in Xpress Object Editor?
- in the list of objects in Xpress Program Editor?

"and throws a server error"
- you mean returns a server error? Is there a traceback?
- you mean both _isn't there_ AND _returns an error_? How can that be?
- what is the exact wording of the traceback?


Best wishes,
- Daniel

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Hi Daniel,
I think I've worked out the problem for now. I'm not sure what happened 
during a restart to cause this but I was finally able to recreate the 
problem that the students were encountering. The Romantic Circles moo 
is running enCore 4.0.1. It was an issue with form feedback called from 
line 55 of object #32:get.  The comments on the code for #32:get read 
"This verb handles and directs all http requests"; and the specific 
line problem was in the code to "Verify that form data originated from 
this server. SDC"; I ended up rebooting the backup database from prior 
to the restart. It seems to work fine now. So, my guess is that I did 
something different during restart than usual to cause the problem.

I've tested it and I'm going to let the students at U Maryland play 
around with it a bit before feeling totally confident, but it seems 
okay now. Thank you for your patients. It was a bit of a panic as the 
students have upcoming projects due soon.

Ron






On Apr 1, 2006, at 4:55 AM, Daniel Jung wrote:

> Hi Ron,
>
> too bad your folks run into problems like that :(
> We really want to help, but...
>
> Ron Broglio wrote:
>> The problem students are having is that they can create an object, 
>> but then when they go to edit it, it isn't there and throws a server 
>> error.
>
> ... this description is only marginally less vague than the first 
> one... so all answers would really be long shots in the dark. It would 
> help if they could be more specific:
>
> - Which enCore version?
> - Who did the last update/restart, and why, and how, and
> - What has been done prior to that?
> - Was the restart combined with an upgrade?
>
> "they can create an object"
> - from the command line?
> - from the Xpress Object Editor?
> - What do they get as a result ("You have now #4234")
> - Can that object (#4234) be evaluated, and what does it say?
> - Can the object.location be evaluated?
>
> "when they go to edit it"
> - edit what (property)?
> - in the Xpress Object Editor?
> - in the Xpress Program Editor?
> - in the command Line?
> - in MyStuff?
>
> "it isn't there"
> - in <player>.owned_objects (evaluated)?
> - in the list of objects in Xpress Object Editor?
> - in the list of objects in Xpress Program Editor?
>
> "and throws a server error"
> - you mean returns a server error? Is there a traceback?
> - you mean both _isn't there_ AND _returns an error_? How can that be?
> - what is the exact wording of the traceback?
>
>
> Best wishes,
> - Daniel
>

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Hi Daniel,

I think I've worked out the problem for now. I'm not sure what
happened during a restart to cause this but I was finally able to
recreate the problem that the students were encountering. The Romantic
Circles moo is running enCore 4.0.1. It was an issue with form
feedback called from line 55 of object #32:get.  The comments on the
code for #32:get read <fontfamily><param>Courier</param>"This verb
handles and directs all http requests";
</fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Arial</param>and the specific line
problem was in the code to
</fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Courier</param>"Verify that form data
originated from this server. SDC";
</fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Arial</param>I ended up rebooting the
backup database from prior to the restart. It seems to work fine now.
So, my guess is that I did something different during restart than
usual to cause the problem.


I've tested it and I'm going to let the students at U Maryland play
around with it a bit before feeling totally confident, but it seems
okay now. Thank you for your patients. It was a bit of a panic as the
students have upcoming projects due soon.


Ron


</fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Courier</param>

</fontfamily>




On Apr 1, 2006, at 4:55 AM, Daniel Jung wrote:


<excerpt>Hi Ron,


too bad your folks run into problems like that :(

We really want to help, but...


Ron Broglio wrote:

<excerpt>The problem students are having is that they can create an
object, but then when they go to edit it, it isn't there and throws a
server error.

</excerpt>

... this description is only marginally less vague than the first
one... so all answers would really be long shots in the dark. It would
help if they could be more specific:


- Which enCore version?

- Who did the last update/restart, and why, and how, and

- What has been done prior to that?

- Was the restart combined with an upgrade?


"they can create an object"

- from the command line?

- from the Xpress Object Editor?

- What do they get as a result ("You have now #4234")

- Can that object (#4234) be evaluated, and what does it say?

- Can the object.location be evaluated?


"when they go to edit it"

- edit what (property)?

- in the Xpress Object Editor?

- in the Xpress Program Editor?

- in the command Line?

- in MyStuff?


"it isn't there"

- in <<player>.owned_objects (evaluated)?

- in the list of objects in Xpress Object Editor?

- in the list of objects in Xpress Program Editor?


"and throws a server error"

- you mean returns a server error? Is there a traceback?

- you mean both _isn't there_ AND _returns an error_? How can that be?

- what is the exact wording of the traceback?



Best wishes,

- Daniel


</excerpt>
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Hi again Ron,

first, how nice that it's working again!

Ron Broglio wrote:
> and the specific line problem was in the code to 
> "Verify that form data originated from this server. SDC"; 

SDC (apparently Scott Carmichael) made two changes in enCore version 
3.3.3; in $httpd:get and $player:notify. Both changes are security 
measures to prevent malicious code from being executed on player's 
computers.

Unfortunately, I found that those security measures can, in fact, be 
circumvented by $evil_guy. In addition to that, they are stopping needed 
code (in v5), so I took them out. They are replaced by other means now.

Is Scott reading this? Does anybody know how I could contact him?

- Daniel

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Happy Aprils Fools day!

Daniel said "Unfortunately, I found that those security measures can, in
fact, be 
circumvented by $evil_guy."

Ah yes I've run into that player class before.

Unfortunately the results of $evil_guy are very close to those from
 $trying_to_improve_the_system_without_understanding_how_it_works_guy 
Of which my player character is decendant ;-)

The joys of object oriented systems.

Ciao
KJ

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I was browsing through some MOOs, and noticed something quite convenient fo=
r
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of Bergen.  They have an icon that you click, instead of typing in "start x=
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<div>I was browsing through some MOOs, and noticed something quite convenie=
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Hi folks,
I wanted to publicly thank Daniel Jung for helping restore Romantic  
Circles Villa Diotati MOO to normalcy. Additionally, the lesson learned  
for curious students who like to experiment is to never change the  
.exits property!

Ron

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Daniel Jung <jung@uib.no>
> Date: April 2, 2006 6:14:49 PM EDT
> To: Ron Broglio <rbroglio@earthlink.net>
> Cc: "Trond K. Pettersen" <trond.pettersen@student.uib.no>,   
> fraistat@mac.com,  Trishisintune@aol.com,  tcwilliams@care2.com,   
> charlotte_cline@hotmail.com,  heninger@umd.edu,  Kevin Tysdal  
> <kevin@lingo.uib.no>
> Subject: match error in the Object Editor
>
> Hi
>
> OK, Ron and alii; I wrote some debugging docu on your problem.
> You find it below. Please share this with the list.
>
> Good luck!
> - Daniel
>
>
>
>
>
> THE ISSUE: When asking to view an object in the Object Editor,
>
> (a) the user's pockets are searched
> (b) the room's contents is searched
> (c) the room's exits are searched
>
> if their names matches the given string. Now, for matching, all these  
> items must be OBJECTS, i.e., all items in the pockets must be objects,  
> all items in the room must be objects, and all exits must be objects.
>
>
>
> THE PROBLEM: The room's exit list was corrupt. There were strings  
> amoung the objects. strings have no names, thus they cannot be  
> searched (matches) for names. This causes the script to abort.
>
> You reported that it worked again, and then, it was back to faulty  
> behaviour. My guess is that people, when reconnected, were simply  
> standing in another room, where it worked, and later, they were back  
> in the corrupt room. The error was there all the time, it was just not  
> run into when it "worked".
>
>
>
> THE SOLUTION:
>
> (a) Quick hack: Created a verb $list_utils:elements_toobj() which  
> takes a list of items and coerces them into being objects for reading.  
> This verb is now called from the match verb. This means that the exit  
> list is still corrupt, but it is read less strictly. You MUST do  
> something about your exits. They might return errors in other  
> contexts.
>
> (b) Search for corrupt exit lists:
>     (This is ONE command in the command line.)
>
> ;for c in ($object_utils:descendants_suspended(#3)) suspend(0); try  
> for e in (c.exits) if (typeof(e) != OBJ) me:tell((nn =  
> $string_utils:nn(c)), $string_utils:space(35 - length(nn)), " (",  
> typeof(e), ") ", e); endif endfor except error (ANY) me:tell((nn =  
> $string_utils:nn(c)), $string_utils:space(35 - length(nn)), " (",  
> typeof(c.exits), ")" ); endtry endfor
>
> gives the following list:
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> --
> room                               type faulty exit
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> --
> Rob's Mind (#3329)                  (2) 7000/3297
> Rob's Mind (#3329)                  (2) 7000/3337
> Miracle on Ice (#3337)              (2) @go #3297
> Miracle on Ice (#3337)              (2) @go #3329
> Spaceworld (#3994)                  (2) #3498
> Monster Construction (#4215)        (2)
> The Home of Thomas Malthus (#5444)  (2) WARNING: editing of lists other
> The Arctic (#5759)                  (2) to Frankenstein's Home (#5528)
> William Godwin (#5303)              (2)
> Bedchamber (#6808)                  (2)
> ADC's house (#13660)                (1)
> Employment Office (#14660)          (1)
> Copyright Office (#14665)           (1)
> Office (#16031)                     (2)
> Nets (#9364)                        (1)
> Field (#10565)                      (1)
> Field2 (#11198)                     (1)
> Multiple Views Room (#12384)        (2) #4043
> krilon (#18442)                     (2) #4043
> Edenscape (#12511)                  (2) #4043
> Blake Test Room (#19727)            (2) #4043
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> --
>
> Those rooms have corrupt exit lists.
>
> * Where there is (2), there is a STR instead of an OBJ.
>   Some of these strings are even empty.
> * Where there is (1), there is no list at all, just an object.
>
>
> THE REASON: I guess room owners have used the Xpress Program Editor to  
> hack directly into their room's .exits property. This should NEVER be  
> done. This can have resulted into items being read as strings, and  
> even one-element lists being coerced into objects.
>
> Now, the last four rooms show the STR "#4043" as exit. Checking the  
> OBJ #4043, it is, in fact, a room, not an exit:
>
> . ruins(#4043)
> |- Event_Aware_Room(#5665)
> |-- generic room(#3)
> |--- enCore Web Object(#126)
> |---- enCore Web Class(#138)
> |----- Root Class(#1)
>
> Somehow, this room has been written into the room.exits list (as a  
> string). This is ODD. I can't believe users did that manually, and I  
> suspect a verb having done this automatically somehow somewhere. I  
> haven't checked that, but I suspect the event listener stuff being the  
> bad guy here.
>
>
>
> TO DO:
> The immediate problem is solved, through $list_utils:elements_toobj.
> But you must do the following:
>
> (1) Find the spot where "#4043" (or other strings refering to an
>     Event Aware Room) is written into the list of a room's exit.
> (2) Fix that.
> (3) Fix all rooms that have corrupt exit lists. (list is above)
> (4) Tell users NEVER to manipulate the exit list manually.
>
>
> I have seen weird things with exits in other MOOs as well, so I might  
> eventually ending up writing a "room fix utility" that could take care  
> of step (3) and just be called with a wizardly command @fix-all_exits  
> or something. But I can't do that now.
>
> EOF
>

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Hi folks,

I wanted to publicly thank Daniel Jung for helping restore Romantic
Circles Villa Diotati MOO to normalcy. Additionally, the lesson
learned for curious students who like to experiment is to
<italic>never</italic> change the .exits property!


Ron


Begin forwarded message:


<excerpt><bold><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>From:
</color></bold>Daniel Jung <<jung@uib.no>

<bold><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>Date: </color></bold>April
2, 2006 6:14:49 PM EDT

<bold><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>To: </color></bold>Ron
Broglio <<rbroglio@earthlink.net>

<bold><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>Cc: </color></bold>"Trond K.
Pettersen" <<trond.pettersen@student.uib.no>,  fraistat@mac.com, 
Trishisintune@aol.com,  tcwilliams@care2.com, 
charlotte_cline@hotmail.com,  heninger@umd.edu,  Kevin Tysdal
<<kevin@lingo.uib.no>

<bold><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>Subject: </color>match error
in the Object Editor

</bold>

Hi


OK, Ron and alii; I wrote some debugging docu on your problem.

You find it below. Please share this with the list.


Good luck!

- Daniel






THE ISSUE: When asking to view an object in the Object Editor,


(a) the user's pockets are searched

(b) the room's contents is searched

(c) the room's exits are searched


if their names matches the given string. Now, for matching, all these
items must be OBJECTS, i.e., all items in the pockets must be objects,
all items in the room must be objects, and all exits must be objects.




THE PROBLEM: The room's exit list was corrupt. There were strings
amoung the objects. strings have no names, thus they cannot be
searched (matches) for names. This causes the script to abort.


You reported that it worked again, and then, it was back to faulty
behaviour. My guess is that people, when reconnected, were simply
standing in another room, where it worked, and later, they were back
in the corrupt room. The error was there all the time, it was just not
run into when it "worked".




THE SOLUTION:


(a) Quick hack: Created a verb $list_utils:elements_toobj() which
takes a list of items and coerces them into being objects for reading.
This verb is now called from the match verb. This means that the exit
list is still corrupt, but it is read less strictly. You MUST do
something about your exits. They might return errors in other contexts.


(b) Search for corrupt exit lists:

    (This is ONE command in the command line.)


;for c in ($object_utils:descendants_suspended(#3)) suspend(0); try
for e in (c.exits) if (typeof(e) != OBJ) me:tell((nn =
$string_utils:nn(c)), $string_utils:space(35 - length(nn)), " (",
typeof(e), ") ", e); endif endfor except error (ANY) me:tell((nn =
$string_utils:nn(c)), $string_utils:space(35 - length(nn)), " (",
typeof(c.exits), ")" ); endtry endfor


gives the following list:


-------------------------------------------------------------------------

room                               type faulty exit

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Rob's Mind (#3329)                  (2) 7000/3297

Rob's Mind (#3329)                  (2) 7000/3337

Miracle on Ice (#3337)              (2) @go #3297

Miracle on Ice (#3337)              (2) @go #3329

Spaceworld (#3994)                  (2) #3498

Monster Construction (#4215)        (2)

The Home of Thomas Malthus (#5444)  (2) WARNING: editing of lists other

The Arctic (#5759)                  (2) to Frankenstein's Home (#5528)

William Godwin (#5303)              (2)

Bedchamber (#6808)                  (2)

ADC's house (#13660)                (1)

Employment Office (#14660)          (1)

Copyright Office (#14665)           (1)

Office (#16031)                     (2)

Nets (#9364)                        (1)

Field (#10565)                      (1)

Field2 (#11198)                     (1)

Multiple Views Room (#12384)        (2) #4043

krilon (#18442)                     (2) #4043

Edenscape (#12511)                  (2) #4043

Blake Test Room (#19727)            (2) #4043

-------------------------------------------------------------------------


Those rooms have corrupt exit lists.


* Where there is (2), there is a STR instead of an OBJ.

  Some of these strings are even empty.

* Where there is (1), there is no list at all, just an object.



THE REASON: I guess room owners have used the Xpress Program Editor to
hack directly into their room's .exits property. This should NEVER be
done. This can have resulted into items being read as strings, and
even one-element lists being coerced into objects.


Now, the last four rooms show the STR "#4043" as exit. Checking the
OBJ #4043, it is, in fact, a room, not an exit:


. ruins(#4043)

|- Event_Aware_Room(#5665)

|-- generic room(#3)

|--- enCore Web Object(#126)

|---- enCore Web Class(#138)

|----- Root Class(#1)


Somehow, this room has been written into the room.exits list (as a
string). This is ODD. I can't believe users did that manually, and I
suspect a verb having done this automatically somehow somewhere. I
haven't checked that, but I suspect the event listener stuff being the
bad guy here.




TO DO:

The immediate problem is solved, through $list_utils:elements_toobj.

But you must do the following:


(1) Find the spot where "#4043" (or other strings refering to an

    Event Aware Room) is written into the list of a room's exit.

(2) Fix that.

(3) Fix all rooms that have corrupt exit lists. (list is above)

(4) Tell users NEVER to manipulate the exit list manually.



I have seen weird things with exits in other MOOs as well, so I might
eventually ending up writing a "room fix utility" that could take care
of step (3) and just be called with a wizardly command @fix-all_exits
or something. But I can't do that now.


EOF


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An excellant bit of work there!
=20
The real problem is the Xpress object editor itself
=20
It seems to create strings at the drop of a hat!
=20
If there is a space character at the end of an input it converts the =
whole
input to a list of strings.
This happens even if the input is explicitly a list like =
[#123,#156,#134] it
would be converted to something like "[","#123","#156","#134","]" which
throws up a type mismatch traceback.
=20
I ran into that when working on the long list of drinks for Lou at =
TTUMoo.
=20
Caution must be used anytime a user edits a property in Xpress.
Unfortunately Xpress can't be used to check what is actually input =
because
it displays correctly!
=20
I always check the property using the text side or another editor like
TKMOO.
=20
Is there a fix available for this behaviour?
=20
Ciao
KJ

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Ron Broglio
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Subject: [encore] Fwd: match error in the Object Editor


Hi folks,
I wanted to publicly thank Daniel Jung for helping restore Romantic =
Circles
Villa Diotati MOO to normalcy. Additionally, the lesson learned for =
curious
students who like to experiment is to never change the .exits property!

Ron


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<DIV><SPAN class=3D793373615-04042006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
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size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
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happens even if the input is explicitly a list like [#123,#156,#134] it =
would be=20
converted to something like&nbsp;"[","#123","#156","#134","]" which =
throws up a=20
type mismatch traceback.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D793373615-04042006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
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size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
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Hi Karen,

Ah yes!  That would happen to be the new version 5--coming soon to a moo 
near you.

Lennie grins



Karen Campbell wrote:

> I was browsing through some MOOs, and noticed something quite 
> convenient for starting and stopping recorders on the Ponte Italiano 
> MOO at the University of Bergen.  They have an icon that you click, 
> instead of typing in "start x" or "stop x".  It also tells you quite 
> clearly whether the recorder is on or off.
>  
> I'd be interested in implementing this at the MOO we're setting up at 
> Rutgers.  Could anyone help with the code for it?
>  
> Thanks!
>
> Karen


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Wonderful!  Any word on when version 5 will be available?

Lennie Irvin <lirvin@accd.edu> wrote:  Hi Karen,

Ah yes! That would happen to be the new version 5--coming soon to a moo 
near you.

Lennie grins



Karen Campbell wrote:

> I was browsing through some MOOs, and noticed something quite 
> convenient for starting and stopping recorders on the Ponte Italiano 
> MOO at the University of Bergen. They have an icon that you click, 
> instead of typing in "start x" or "stop x". It also tells you quite 
> clearly whether the recorder is on or off.
> 
> I'd be interested in implementing this at the MOO we're setting up at 
> Rutgers. Could anyone help with the code for it?
> 
> Thanks!
>
> Karen




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Wonderful!&nbsp; Any word on when version 5 will be available?<BR><BR><B><I>Lennie Irvin &lt;lirvin@accd.edu&gt;</I></B> wrote:  <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Hi Karen,<BR><BR>Ah yes! That would happen to be the new version 5--coming soon to a moo <BR>near you.<BR><BR>Lennie grins<BR><BR><BR><BR>Karen Campbell wrote:<BR><BR>&gt; I was browsing through some MOOs, and noticed something quite <BR>&gt; convenient for starting and stopping recorders on the Ponte Italiano <BR>&gt; MOO at the University of Bergen. They have an icon that you click, <BR>&gt; instead of typing in "start x" or "stop x". It also tells you quite <BR>&gt; clearly whether the recorder is on or off.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; I'd be interested in implementing this at the MOO we're setting up at <BR>&gt; Rutgers. Could anyone help with the code for it?<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Thanks!<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Karen<BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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And also - how complex is it going to be to transfer an existing MOO from version 4.0.1 into version 
5?

Joseph Haughey

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> Wonderful!  Any word on when version 5 will be available?
> 
> Lennie Irvin <lirvin@accd.edu> wrote:  Hi Karen,
> 
> Ah yes! That would happen to be the new version 5--coming soon to a 
> moo 
> near you.
> 
> Lennie grins
> 
> 
> 
> Karen Campbell wrote:
> 
> > I was browsing through some MOOs, and noticed something quite 
> > convenient for starting and stopping recorders on the Ponte 
> Italiano 
> > MOO at the University of Bergen. They have an icon that you 
> click, 
> > instead of typing in "start x" or "stop x". It also tells you 
> quite 
> > clearly whether the recorder is on or off.
> > 
> > I'd be interested in implementing this at the MOO we're setting 
> up at 
> > Rutgers. Could anyone help with the code for it?
> > 
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Karen
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Joseph P Haughey wrote:
> And also - how complex is it going to be to transfer an existing MOO from version 4.0.1 into version 
> 5?

It is rather extensive, though not really complex, or complicated.
The upgrade includes

* patching the lambdamoo server (optional but recommended)
* converting the enCore database (optional)
* installing (or using) PHP4/PEAR and mysql (optional but recommended)
* installing graphics
* patching something like 30.000 lines of code.

All web apps have changed completely. A few argument structures have 
changed, and calls rewritten. Depending on how tweaked your 4.0.1 is, 
you will have to adjust existing (custom) code.

I recommend taking a day off for upgrading.

But it will be worth it!

- Daniel


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Joseph P Haughey wrote:
> I have another question.
> 
> We have been having some trouble getting Encore 4.0.1 to work on Mac browsers - 
> particularly Safari and Explorer.  

IExplorer on MAC is a dead horse. Forget it. The sooner the better.
We will not maintain support for it on enCore 5.

But Safari? What is the issue?

And how is the invisible-thing going?

Regards,
- Daniel

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Subject: [encore] From Jan Holmevik re: Support for Encore documentation project
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Dear enCore friends,
     We have exciting news that the release of the new beta version
of V5 enCore is coming soon. With this release a number of projects
will be jump-started in action, specifically a usability study and
documentation project. These parts of the development process are
vital to insure the sustainability of the version as it moves into
the hands of users around the world. We have excellent sources to
conduct these projects, but they need funding resources. As Cynthia
and I know from having worked on enCore alone, for the most part, for
over 10 years, it is vital that the enCore Consortium pull in willing
partners in the development phases to come. Help documentation is
crucial to the success of enCore as a learning environment, and we
feel this particular solution to the help documentation is pretty
amazing. You will read about it in more detail in Lennie Irvin=B9s
proposal, but it is, programmatically speaking, an extremely
ingenious solution that needs more programming to complete, and
finally, content to integrate into its system. We are excited that
the new version is going into its beta stage of testing, and we hope
others will help support this project any way they can. Please join
us in congratulating the team led by Daniel Jung at University of
Bergen, Norway, for his development work...and in congratulating the
enCore Consortium for keeping our dreams alive. We think they are
also the dreams of all enCore MOO administrators, teachers, and
students. They are working tirelessly to improve the system and to
make this a truly Open Source project for what has proven to be one
of the most stable, robust e-learning systems that continues to put
commercially available products to shame.
     Please read Lennie=B9s proposal and step up and offer your support
of this important work.

Best wishes,

Jan Rune Holmevik and Cynthia Haynes


Jan Rune Holmevik, Dr. Art.
Assistant Professor
IT University of Copenhagen, Denmark




Cynthia Haynes, Associate Professor _________________ cynthia@itu.dk
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Hello All,

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Thanks for your comments.

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Hello All,<br><br>
Please forgive me if everybody in the world knows the answer to this
question except me.<br><br>
Is there a solution in the new v5 for the firewall/port problem?&nbsp;
What I mean is that having to pass by two ports that are often shut
hermetically by IT security departments is a real headache for those of
us who would like to use the MOO for commercial purposes.&nbsp; We cannot
ensure that just any old customer can log in from behind any old
firewall, hence the use is fraught with technical difficulties that
frighten away lots of potential business.<br><br>
Thanks for your comments.<br><br>
David<br><br>
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David Tudor, Ph.D., MBA<br>
<font color=3D"#0000FF"><b>Personal Strengths France, et<br>
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Question:

Is it possible to incorporate the feature of adding a sound file to a 
room description for an HTML Room?

I can use the Add Multimedia content property to insert a sound file 
for a regular room so that the sound starts when you enter the room, 
but I can't seem to make it work for an HTML room.

Any help would be appreciated.

I'm seeing if I can create a presentation where each room is like a 
powerpoint slide and I can create the audio to go with each 
room/slide.  As you navigate to each room (which displays a web page 
description), the sound commentary starts up automatically for each room/slide.

Thanks,

Lennie



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Since the "description" for these rooms is actually an html file, I use 
the <EMBED> tag right after the opening <BODY> tag pointing to a sound 
file that is already on a web server, e.g.

<EMBED SRC="http://www.vroma.org/~bmcmanus/sounds/swordfgt.wav" 
HIDDEN="true" AUTOSTART="true">

This plays the sound file when the room is entered.  There may be more 
elegant ways of doing this, but this method works for me.  Barbara

Lennie Irvin wrote:

> Question:
>
> Is it possible to incorporate the feature of adding a sound file to a 
> room description for an HTML Room?
>
> I can use the Add Multimedia content property to insert a sound file 
> for a regular room so that the sound starts when you enter the room, 
> but I can't seem to make it work for an HTML room.
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> I'm seeing if I can create a presentation where each room is like a 
> powerpoint slide and I can create the audio to go with each 
> room/slide.  As you navigate to each room (which displays a web page 
> description), the sound commentary starts up automatically for each 
> room/slide.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lennie
>
>
>
>

-- 
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Barbara F. McManus, Professor of Classics Emerita
The College of New Rochelle, New Rochelle, NY 10805
Co-Director, The VRoma Project
<bmcman@optonline.net> or <bmcmanus@cnr.edu>
http://www.cnr.edu/home/bmcmanus/
http://www.vroma.org/~bmcmanus/




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Lennie Irvin wrote:
> I'm seeing if I can create a presentation where each room is like a 
> powerpoint slide and I can create the audio to go with each room/slide.

The $html_slide_projector in v5 has that feature (custom sound connected 
to a web page, either self-made page or external page).

Else, Barbara's solution is perfectly good.

- Daniel