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From djg25@psu.edu Wed Feb 2 23:48:44 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 02 Feb 2005 23:48:45 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C36825CF3 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 23:48:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFE6B4E13 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 23:48:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16461-01-82 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 23:48:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from f04n01.cac.psu.edu (f04s01.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.31]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D14E3485 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 23:48:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from DebbiesRoom.psu.edu (access-isdn1-41.ds.psu.edu [146.186.43.235]) by f04n01.cac.psu.edu (8.13.2/8.13.2) with ESMTP id j135mYW9045358 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 00:48:35 -0500 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20050203004249.024f6968@email.psu.edu> X-Sender: djg25@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 00:48:35 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Deborah Gill Subject: [encore] Re: Problems using Encore with browsers other than IE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.0 tagged_above=1.0 required=8.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE, MIME_HTML_ONLY, MY_MTPARENS X-Spam-Level: * X-archive-position: 1321 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: djg25@psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: djg25@psu.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hello all!

In mid-December I asked for help with a problem that I was having with Encore. I want to thank Lennie Irvin for his enormous help and Daniel Jung who sent me a detailed explanation of what he believed was happening and indeed WAS the problem!! THANK YOU, Daniel!

Below is the response to my questions that Daniel gave me.

Best to all,

Debbie

Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 03:30:00 +0100
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My question was here:
> */The "blank" popup comes up for everyone in IE and then the second

"enCoreXpress" popup comes up without a problem at school (and at my home). My students, however, tell me that sometimes they have to try three, four, five times before the "enCoreXpress" popup will come up. They are all users who are either builders or programmers.

Daniel's response follows:

Two different problems I guess. It might have something to do with popup-blockers... In the next release, there will be no more pop up windows.

*/I'm not sure where to look at the javascript (sorry about that!).

No problem. I had a look at your page. It's here:

Reading the page source
=======================

     function openXpress() {
       XpressClient();
       window.location.reload('/');
     }

This above snippet is called when some link or function launches "openXpress()". This function launches another function, called "XpressClient()". This function is defined right after the first one:

     function XpressClient() {
        var height = 768;
        var width = 1024;
        newWin = window.open("", "World_of_Diversity_XpressClient", ...
     }

This function opens thus a new window (popup) with the size 768*1024. Its name is "World_of_Diversity_XpressClient".

Later on the page, you find

     <form id="logindata" action="http://diversity.ds.psu.edu:7000"
     onsubmit="openXpress()" target="World of Diversity_XpressClient"
     method="post" enctype="multipart/form-data">

meaning, when somebody has entered their name and password and click on "submit" to send the formdata, 1. the opening function (openXpress) is called, and 2. the formdata is sent to be crunched in the new window (it says target="World of Diversity_XpressClient").

1. The Script says:
"Produce a window, call it "World_of_Diversity_XpressClient"

2. The Form says
"Produce the login, grab the window "World of Diversity_XpressClient"

Look at the names carefully. Do you see the difference? No wonder the Browser is confused.

Why is it so?
=============

There are different spots in the code where the page code is produced. One spot tells what to write as attributes to the form, the other sopt tells what to write into the Javascript. Both take the variables

    mooname + _XpressClient

and concatenate them. But the script is more sophisticated and says

   "Take the blanks and convert them to underscores"

while the form doesn't give a ... and just concatenates the two components. Now, in every MOO with a one-word-name, this will work. Your MOO has spaces. That's why it doesn't work for you, while LinguaMoo etc. never experienced problems.

What to do?
===========

You must go into the program code which produces the form. That would be $xpress_login:login. I have heavily modified all of our MOOs, so I don't know the original code.

Wait a minute.

OK. I downloaded the original code and had a look. Find this line:

loginForm = $encore_web_utils:form($list_utils:append(loginform, $encore_web_utils:p(), $encore_web_utils:input("xpress", "Log in", "", "submit")), "logindata", "", "openXpress()", tostr($network.MOO_name, "_XpressClient"));

The spot that bugs us is

     tostr($network.MOO_name, "_XpressClient")

since it says "take the MOO name and add _XpressClient". It should convert spaces to underscores as well. To achieve this, do change this to

    tostr(strsub($network.MOO_name, " ", "_"), "_XpressClient")

so that the whole line reads

loginForm = $encore_web_utils:form($list_utils:append(loginform, $encore_web_utils:p(), $encore_web_utils:input("xpress", "Log in", "", "submit")), "logindata", "", "openXpress()", tostr(strsub($network.MOO_name, " ", "_"), "_XpressClient"));

You should be all set then.

Good luck
- Daniel

(you might want to pass this along to your support people)

Deborah Gill, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor of Spanish
Pennsylvania State University-DuBois
College Place
DuBois, PA 15801
(814) 375-4783
Email: djg25@psu.edu, msdgill@aol.com

"Each of us has an inner dream that we can unfold if
we will just have the courage to admit what it is.
And the faith to trust our own admission. The admitting is often very difficult."

- Julia Cameron -

Deborah Gill, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor of Spanish
Pennsylvania State University-DuBois
College Place
DuBois, PA 15801
(814) 375-4783
Email: djg25@psu.edu, msdgill@aol.com

"Each of us has an inner dream that we can unfold if
we will just have the courage to admit what it is.
And the faith to trust our own admission. The admitting is often very difficult."

- Julia Cameron -
From pauld@ece.ualberta.ca Thu Feb 3 18:02:24 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 03 Feb 2005 18:26:48 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93C955BE4 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:02:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CEBE4FCC for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:02:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28001-01-45 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:02:16 -0600 (CST) Received: from itanium.ece.ualberta.ca (itanium.ee.ualberta.ca [129.128.208.17]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 005063F0F for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:00:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from [192.168.1.107] (boreas.ee.ualberta.ca [129.128.208.217]) by itanium.ece.ualberta.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 456DD17DC for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:00:25 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <4202BD36.7090808@ece.ualberta.ca> Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 17:09:26 -0700 From: Paul Dumais User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] First post - archives? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1322 X-Approved-By: cynthiah@utdallas.edu X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: pauld@ece.ualberta.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-to: pauld@ece.ualberta.ca List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi! Encore seems like a fantastic effort! I have installed it (not quite successfully) on windows xp with cygwin. I have two questions. 1. Where are the archives for this list? The link in the welcome message shows gives a blank page. 2. Has anyone heard of the problem I have?: After complilation, I can start the lambda moo service. However, 'connect wizard' does not work. It just does not respond. I keep getting the welcome screen if I hit the enter key a second time. What I find interesting is that if I start the service using JHCore, 'connect wizard' works just fine. Of the commands that are listed on the screen after an unsuccessful command is sent, only 'VERsion' seems to work correctly. 'connect tom' will correctly respond that that user does not exist. 'connect wizard' however just hangs. Note: I had only one problem during compilation (make): the time.h complained that _tztime (that's not quite what it was) was already set. So I recompiled after changing the my-time.h (not sure if that was the right name) with the check commented out. Thanks for your help! Paul From cynthiah@utdallas.edu Thu Feb 3 18:31:10 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 03 Feb 2005 18:31:11 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from smtp1.utdallas.edu (smtp1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.5]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA8285BE4 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:31:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (66.169.106.136.ts46v-02.mhe2.ftwrth.tx.charter.com [66.169.106.136]) by smtp1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBDCD38937E; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:31:09 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 18:33:55 -0600 Subject: [encore] Re: First post - archives? From: Cynthia Haynes To: , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4202BD36.7090808@ece.ualberta.ca> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 1323 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: cynthiah@utdallas.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: cynthiah@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore The archives for the list are alive and well, but access to them is still a problem because the UTD sys admin is having trouble with the older list software that we've been using for the last 7 years. I apologize for this and was told a few days ago that it should be cleared up very soon. I will alert the list when that happens. Best, Cynthia __Cynthia Haynes, Director of Rhetoric and Writing___________________ University of Texas at Dallas cynthiah@utdallas.edu School of Arts & Humanities http://www.utdallas.edu/~cynthiah PO Box 830688-JO 31 http://lingua.utdallas.edu:7000 Richardson, TX 75083-0688 (O)972-883-6340 (F)972-883-2989 From ken@ss.pku.edu.cn Fri Feb 4 04:09:06 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 04 Feb 2005 04:09:06 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1FCC5C7C for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 04:09:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A9B322BC for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 04:09:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19317-01-7 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 04:09:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.ss.pku.edu.cn (unknown [61.50.221.201]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 1224834F4 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 04:08:58 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 16922 invoked by uid 0); 4 Feb 2005 18:08:42 +0800 Received: from unknown (HELO ?221.218.44.38?) (ken@221.218.44.38) by 61.50.221.201 with SMTP; 4 Feb 2005 18:08:42 +0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) To: encore@utdallas.edu Message-Id: <9f4319184f8e6688067764d9f5d8a91c@ss.pku.edu.cn> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-355535575 From: Kenneth Fields Subject: [encore] xpress Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:09:14 +0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at utdallas.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.475 tagged_above=1 required=8 tests=BAYES_50, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS, RCVD_BY_IP, SARE_RECV_IP_061050, UTD_UNKNOWN_CLIENT X-Spam-Level: *** X-archive-position: 1324 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: ken@ss.pku.edu.cn Precedence: bulk Reply-to: ken@ss.pku.edu.cn List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore --Apple-Mail-1-355535575 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hello, another naive post from a new user! I did this: 4) Move the encore directory to the root level of your web server's document directory, or to your public_html directory. I changed the moo's @configure-Base URL to mymachines.ip.number/encore/ Then I did this: 7) Point your web browser to port 7000 on your machine and log in with Xpress. Obviously, life isn't that simple. That doesn't work. I get the moo text output but not any nice login window? Any suggestions? thanks, ken --Apple-Mail-1-355535575 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Hello, another naive post from a new user!Courier6969,6969,6969 I did this: Verdana6969,6969,69694) Move the FFFF,A5A5,0000encore directory6969,6969,6969 to the root level of your web server's document directory, or to your FFFF,A5A5,0000public_html6969,6969,6969 directory. Courier6967,6967,6967I changed the moo's @configure-Base URL to mymachines.ip.number/encore/Verdana6969,6969,6969 Then I did this: 6968,6968,69687) Point your web browser to port 7000 on your machine and log in with Xpress. Courier6968,6968,6968 Obviously, life isn't that simple. That doesn't work. I get the moo text output but not any nice login window? Any suggestions? thanks, ken Verdana6969,6969,6969 --Apple-Mail-1-355535575-- From Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Fri Feb 4 05:27:14 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 04 Feb 2005 05:27:14 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 079005BDB for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 05:27:14 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E703F20CB for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 05:27:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24735-01-4 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 05:27:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id A69F435B0 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 05:27:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from Gilgamesh.accdvm.accd.edu [10.1.11.27] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Fri, 04 Feb 2005 05:25:53 CST Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050204051827.01ca3d30@accdvm.accd.edu> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 05:27:25 -0600 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Lennie Irvin Subject: [encore] Re: First post - archives? In-Reply-To: <4202BD36.7090808@ece.ualberta.ca> References: <4202BD36.7090808@ece.ualberta.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1325 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi Paul, You may get some answers from Mark O'Neil's FAQ-O-Matic http://cobweb.dartmouth.edu/%7Emoneil/FOMServe/cache/1.html I can't quite tell what is going on with your installation. Are you doing your first connection and configuration via telnet? I'm not sure I understant either about accessing through JHCore--isn't that a completely different moo core? Perhaps you mean you are accessing through the telnet client you have used for another JHCore MOO? I can't quite make out from your description exactly what is going on. If you are able to connect as a wizard with that other client, then perhaps the problem has to do with your settings in @configure. Just a guess though. Good luck, Lennie At 06:09 PM 2/3/2005, you wrote: >Hi! Encore seems like a fantastic effort! I have installed it (not quite >successfully) on windows xp with cygwin. > >I have two questions. > >1. Where are the archives for this list? The link in the welcome message >shows gives a blank page. >2. Has anyone heard of the problem I have?: After complilation, I can >start the lambda moo service. However, 'connect wizard' does not work. It >just does not respond. I keep getting the welcome screen if I hit the >enter key a second time. What I find interesting is that if I start the >service using JHCore, 'connect wizard' works just fine. Of the commands >that are listed on the screen after an unsuccessful command is sent, only >'VERsion' seems to work correctly. 'connect tom' will correctly respond >that that user does not exist. 'connect wizard' however just hangs. Note: >I had only one problem during compilation (make): the time.h complained >that _tztime (that's not quite what it was) was already set. So I >recompiled after changing the my-time.h (not sure if that was the right >name) with the check commented out. > >Thanks for your help! > >Paul From paul@unstate.ca Fri Feb 4 11:22:52 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 04 Feb 2005 11:22:53 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E56585BB0 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 11:22:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A50015101 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 11:22:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06839-01-50 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 11:22:39 -0600 (CST) Received: from pd4mo1so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 340AC35C3 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 11:22:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from pd5mr7so.prod.shaw.ca (pd5mr7so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.183]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IBE00FLBDKNYV40@l-daemon> for encore@utdallas.edu; Fri, 04 Feb 2005 10:21:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from pn2ml2so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.146]) by pd5mr7so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IBE00L51DKNQL90@pd5mr7so.prod.shaw.ca> for encore@utdallas.edu; Fri, 04 Feb 2005 10:21:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (S010600062589f5ea.ed.shawcable.net [68.148.6.33]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IBE00C2WDKNUM@l-daemon> for encore@utdallas.edu; Fri, 04 Feb 2005 10:21:59 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 10:22:31 -0700 From: Paul Dumais Subject: [encore] Re: Intallation Problems (was 'First Post - Archives?') In-reply-to: <6.2.0.14.0.20050204051827.01ca3d30@accdvm.accd.edu> To: encore@utdallas.edu Message-id: <4203AF57.1040107@unstate.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <4202BD36.7090808@ece.ualberta.ca> <6.2.0.14.0.20050204051827.01ca3d30@accdvm.accd.edu> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1326 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: paul@unstate.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-to: paul@unstate.ca List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi Lennie and others, Thanks for trying to decipher this. To clarify: I have just installed Lambdamoo. I have successfully started the server useing bothe enCore.db and JHCore.db. However, in enCore, 'connect wizard' gives no response. All the other commands seem to work except connect and autoconnect. When I start the server using JHCore.db everything seems to work. You can check it out for yourself at unstate.ca:7777. So I guess I find it odd that enCore.db does not work. So the difference is not the clients (I have tried telnet and several other clients with each core). Has no one else seen this problem? If not, then I will have to try to get the Lambdamoo server to compile with the my-time.h (something like that) unaltered. I had commented something out because of a complaint about _tztime (something like that) already being set. Perhaps it is because of this? I can't think of any reason why JHCore would work and enCore not - unless encore uses some special features that I need to enable first. Take care, Paul Lennie Irvin wrote: > Hi Paul, > > You may get some answers from Mark O'Neil's FAQ-O-Matic > http://cobweb.dartmouth.edu/%7Emoneil/FOMServe/cache/1.html > > I can't quite tell what is going on with your installation. Are you > doing your first connection and configuration via telnet? I'm not > sure I understant either about accessing through JHCore--isn't that a > completely different moo core? Perhaps you mean you are accessing > through the telnet client you have used for another JHCore MOO? > > I can't quite make out from your description exactly what is going > on. If you are able to connect as a wizard with that other client, > then perhaps the problem has to do with your settings in @configure. > Just a guess though. > > Good luck, > > Lennie > > At 06:09 PM 2/3/2005, you wrote: > >> Hi! Encore seems like a fantastic effort! I have installed it (not >> quite successfully) on windows xp with cygwin. >> >> I have two questions. >> >> 1. Where are the archives for this list? The link in the welcome >> message shows gives a blank page. >> 2. Has anyone heard of the problem I have?: After complilation, I can >> start the lambda moo service. However, 'connect wizard' does not >> work. It just does not respond. I keep getting the welcome screen if >> I hit the enter key a second time. What I find interesting is that if >> I start the service using JHCore, 'connect wizard' works just fine. >> Of the commands that are listed on the screen after an unsuccessful >> command is sent, only 'VERsion' seems to work correctly. 'connect >> tom' will correctly respond that that user does not exist. 'connect >> wizard' however just hangs. Note: I had only one problem during >> compilation (make): the time.h complained that _tztime (that's not >> quite what it was) was already set. So I recompiled after changing >> the my-time.h (not sure if that was the right name) with the check >> commented out. >> >> Thanks for your help! >> >> Paul > > > From lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Mon Feb 7 12:27:43 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 07 Feb 2005 12:27:44 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08B6B5CDA for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:27:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 820124C58 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:27:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03773-01-89 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:27:38 -0600 (CST) X-Greylist: delayed 3782 seconds by postgrey-1.17 at mx2; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 12:27:38 CST Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 460AC2CBF for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:27:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from gh-208-300633.accdvm.accd.edu [10.11.36.41] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 11:23:17 CST Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050207111234.01d0b470@accdvm.accd.edu> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 11:21:21 -0600 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Lennie Irvin Subject: [encore] New help guide addition to The Barn Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_1284031==.ALT" X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1327 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore --=====================_1284031==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Thanks to Kevin Jepson, we now have a new addition to the various guides available for enCore housed within The Barn. These files came originally from the online help system of CPDEE MOO (which is now no longer online). Looking over these help files, it appears they will be very helpful for moo administrators and programmers who are able to get more into the guts of the moo. Thanks to Kevin for salvaging these files! Within The Barn, these new files can be found with the Guides. http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/barn/default.htm Or you can go directly to them at http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/barn/CDPMOOHelpFiles/index.htm Lennie --=====================_1284031==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Thanks to Kevin Jepson, we now have a new addition to the various guides available for enCore housed within The Barn. These files came originally from the online help system of CPDEE MOO (which is now no longer online). Looking over these help files, it appears they will be very helpful for moo administrators and programmers who are able to get more into the guts of the moo.

Thanks to Kevin for salvaging these files!

Within The Barn, these new files can be found with the Guides. http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/barn/default.htm
Or you can go directly to them at
http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/barn/CDPMOOHelpFiles/index.htm

Lennie

--=====================_1284031==.ALT-- From djg25@psu.edu Mon Feb 7 19:13:04 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 07 Feb 2005 19:13:04 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 255065BAD for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:13:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDFA0255E for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:13:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12758-01-57 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:13:00 -0600 (CST) X-Greylist: delayed 8412 seconds by postgrey-1.17 at mx2; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 19:13:00 CST Received: from f04n01.cac.psu.edu (f04s01.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.31]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 453093389 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:13:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from faclapdjg.psu.edu (edhcp19.ds.psu.edu [146.186.61.149]) by f04n01.cac.psu.edu (8.13.2/8.13.2) with ESMTP id j17MqlnA044620 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:52:47 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20050207174910.047984a0@email.psu.edu> X-Sender: djg25@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 17:54:29 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Deborah Gill Subject: [encore] Problems with Encore once again Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1328 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: djg25@psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: djg25@psu.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hello all!

Daniel and Lennie have resolved my problems with the "blank" page coming up (thank you!). Now we are having another problem: When I fixed the "blank" issue, the right window no longer (1) loads when one logs on without hitting "look" first and (2) when you type in "look [object #]" (i.e., look #259), that object no longer appears in the right hand window, although the text description does appear in the left hand side.

Any suggestions on how to fix this?

Thanks in advance for any help you can give!

Best,

Debbie

Deborah Gill, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor of Spanish
Pennsylvania State University-DuBois
College Place
DuBois, PA 15801
(814) 375-4783
Email: djg25@psu.edu, msdgill@aol.com From rbowman@bridgewater.edu Thu Feb 10 06:53:04 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:53:04 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DABF5BAD for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:53:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ED21164B for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:53:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28211-01-10 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:52:59 -0600 (CST) X-Greylist: delayed 1742 seconds by postgrey-1.17 at mx2; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:52:58 CST Received: from Isis.bridgewater.edu (Isis.bridgewater.edu [147.138.10.100]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56B7B2CBF for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:52:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from bowman-home.bridgewater.edu (NewDial15.bridgewater.edu [147.138.110.85]) by Isis.bridgewater.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j1ACNq57018245 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:23:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050210071443.02980150@mail.bridgewater.edu> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:23:26 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Richard L Bowman Subject: [encore] Java Problem with Encore & Windows XP In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050207174910.047984a0@email.psu.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050207174910.047984a0@email.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1329 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: rbowman@Bridgewater.EDU Precedence: bulk Reply-to: rbowman@Bridgewater.EDU List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore It sticks in my mind that I may have missed a discussion of Encore not finding the Java that is installed on a Windows system. Our MOO has been very stable over the years, and we have greatly appreciated having it as a tool for our professors to use with their classes. So over Christmas break, we upgraded to version 4.0.1. It appeared to be OK with just a minor problem or two that I still need to investigate further with our IT staff. This was while I was using Windows ME on my home computer. Then at the end of January I upgraded (with a clean install) to Windows XP at home. This morning I tried the MOO for the first time since then. First I had to find out how to get through XP's "firewall" by making our web site a trusted site. But now encore says "Sorry, you need a browser that supports Java to use this system." And my MSIE v 6.0 does support Java. Does anyone know what has happened, and how to fix it? Thanks. Richard Bowman ---------------------------------------------- Dr. Richard L. Bowman Dept. of Physics Bridgewater College, VA, USA BC-MOO: http://www.bridgewater.edu:7000/ From rbowman@bridgewater.edu Thu Feb 10 09:32:25 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:32:25 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B5D15BAD for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:32:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ABA4158D for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:32:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21467-01-67 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:32:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from Isis.bridgewater.edu (Isis.bridgewater.edu [147.138.10.100]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2479F3470 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:32:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from physics3.bridgewater.edu (Physics3.bridgewater.edu [147.138.100.144]) by Isis.bridgewater.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j1AFVx57017345 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:31:59 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050210102338.02c56a38@mail.bridgewater.edu> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:31:57 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: "Richard L. Bowman" Subject: [encore] Re: Java Problem with Encore & Windows XP In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20050210071443.02980150@mail.bridgewater.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050207174910.047984a0@email.psu.edu> <6.2.0.14.0.20050210071443.02980150@mail.bridgewater.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1330 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: rbowman@Bridgewater.EDU Precedence: bulk Reply-to: rbowman@Bridgewater.EDU List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore As a couple of persons have pointed out, my problem in not getting Encore and Windows XP working was due to not having Java ship with XP. The download from the Sun site at http://www.java.com/ worked just fine. Thanks. And I must now update my tutorial for students and faculty to address this for those who wish to connect from home and use XP. There is one small, but frustrating, problem that remains. On my home system, the text window in Xpress does not scroll automatically as more text is added. Thus after entering a command, I must manually scroll the text window to see what the MOO has done with my command. Here at the College where we are using Windows 2000, everything works just fine. Any suggestions? Thanks. Richard ----------------------------- Dr. Richard L. Bowman Dir. of Academic Computing / Prof. of Physics Bridgewater College, VA, USA From Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Thu Feb 10 12:58:42 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:58:42 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72F645BAD for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:58:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37E4E151B for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:58:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27099-01-14 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:58:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id D13F6342D for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:58:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from Gilgamesh.accdvm.accd.edu [10.1.11.39] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:57:17 CST Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050210125713.01c87540@accdvm.accd.edu> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:58:44 -0600 To: rbowman@Bridgewater.EDU, encore@utdallas.edu From: Lennie Irvin Subject: [encore] Re: Java Problem with Encore & Windows XP In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20050210102338.02c56a38@mail.bridgewater.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050207174910.047984a0@email.psu.edu> <6.2.0.14.0.20050210071443.02980150@mail.bridgewater.edu> <6.2.0.14.0.20050210102338.02c56a38@mail.bridgewater.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1331 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi Richard, I'm glad that the java download worked. As a reminder to you and others, the enCore v4 User Guide has a login trouble help page already included http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/4guide/login.htm Lennie At 09:31 AM 2/10/2005, Richard L. Bowman wrote: >As a couple of persons have pointed out, my problem in not getting Encore >and Windows XP working was due to not having Java ship with XP. The >download from the Sun site at http://www.java.com/ worked just fine. >Thanks. And I must now update my tutorial for students and faculty to >address this for those who wish to connect from home and use XP. > >There is one small, but frustrating, problem that remains. On my home >system, the text window in Xpress does not scroll automatically as more >text is added. Thus after entering a command, I must manually scroll the >text window to see what the MOO has done with my command. Here at the >College where we are using Windows 2000, everything works just fine. Any >suggestions? > >Thanks. > >Richard >----------------------------- >Dr. Richard L. Bowman >Dir. of Academic Computing / Prof. of Physics >Bridgewater College, VA, USA > From Lisa.Mentz@pepperdine.edu Fri Feb 11 18:29:59 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:29:59 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 686655BE9 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:29:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E5BDF57 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:29:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21582-01-96 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:29:56 -0600 (CST) X-Greylist: delayed 16156 seconds by postgrey-1.17 at mx2; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:29:55 CST Received: from mercury.pepperdine.edu (mercury.pepperdine.edu [137.159.8.35]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1235342C for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:29:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from mal-xconn1.pepperdine.edu (mal-xconn1.pepperdine.edu [137.159.8.42]) by mercury.pepperdine.edu (Pep-6.40o) with ESMTP id LAA29088 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:59:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by mal-xconn1.pepperdine.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:00:37 -0800 Message-ID: <6FFDE0E08F13D311A6260008C7916D0E011E093A@mal-xsmail4.pepperdine.edu> From: "Mentz, Lisa (student)" To: "'encore@utdallas.edu'" Subject: [encore] Still having restart script problems-Help Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:00:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1332 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Lisa.Mentz@pepperdine.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Lisa.Mentz@pepperdine.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi there, I posted not too long ago that I was having problems with my restart script. I hope someone can help me figure out how to fix this so I can stop losing my data (luckily I've learned to backup often). Here's my process: I am running my Moo on a hosted site (genesismuds) running red hat linux servers. I compiled my script after having successfully implemented my patch to support German characters. I could never get ./restart to work (I think it did nothing) so I just began using the command nohup ./moo $german2l.db $german2l.db.new $2 >>& german2l.log & I finally figured out that I didn't have executable permission on the restart file, so I enabled that and used ./restart It worked but then I now have the regular file, the .new file, and a .old file. And my database reverts to really a really old version. Luckily after the first time this happened, I started doing regular backups. I read in the programmer manual you can use ./restart or ./moo but started using the restart script because I wanted to compress my database. I would be really grateful if I could get someone's script that runs on linux or had specific answers on how to fix this bad boy. Much Thanks, Lisa Mentz From Lisa.Mentz@pepperdine.edu Fri Feb 11 19:21:03 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:21:04 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C40E35BE9 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:21:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75911F5F for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:21:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01016-01-7 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:20:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from mercury.pepperdine.edu (mercury.pepperdine.edu [137.159.8.35]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10C55342C for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:20:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from mal-xconn1.pepperdine.edu (mal-xconn1.pepperdine.edu [137.159.8.42]) by mercury.pepperdine.edu (Pep-6.40o) with ESMTP id RAA08600 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:20:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by mal-xconn1.pepperdine.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:20:55 -0800 Received: from DRCASE ([67.170.132.173]) by mal-xconn2.pepperdine.edu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id DHGKB7KW; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:20:53 -0800 From: "Mentz, Lisa (student)" To: "Mentz, Lisa (student)" , encore@utdallas.edu Message-ID: <002b01c510a1$38cfaac0$0300a8c0@DRCASE> References: <6FFDE0E08F13D311A6260008C7916D0E011E093A@mal-xsmail4.pepperdine.edu> Subject: [encore] Re: Still having restart script problems-Help Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:21:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1333 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Lisa.Mentz@pepperdine.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Lisa.Mentz@pepperdine.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore If it helps, someone had me check my shell and when I ran the settings, its shell /bin/tsch -Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mentz, Lisa (student)" To: Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 12:00 PM Subject: [encore] Still having restart script problems-Help > Hi there, > > I posted not too long ago that I was having problems with my restart > script. > I hope someone can help me figure out how to fix this so I can stop losing > my data (luckily I've learned to backup often). Here's my process: > > I am running my Moo on a hosted site (genesismuds) running red hat linux > servers. > > I compiled my script after having successfully implemented my patch to > support German characters. > > I could never get ./restart to work (I think it did nothing) so I just > began > using the command nohup ./moo $german2l.db $german2l.db.new $2 >>& > german2l.log & > > I finally figured out that I didn't have executable permission on the > restart file, so I enabled that and used ./restart > > It worked but then I now have the regular file, the .new file, and a .old > file. And my database reverts to really a really old version. Luckily > after > the first time this happened, I started doing regular backups. I read in > the > programmer manual you can use ./restart or ./moo but started using the > restart script because I wanted to compress my database. > > I would be really grateful if I could get someone's script that runs on > linux or had specific answers on how to fix this bad boy. > > Much Thanks, > Lisa Mentz > From djg25@psu.edu Sun Feb 13 19:44:58 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:44:59 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C46BB5BAD for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:44:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77086CA2 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:44:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14685-01-26 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:44:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from f04n07.cac.psu.edu (f04s07.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.35]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2AFD3389 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:44:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from DebbiesRoom.psu.edu (access-isdn1-29.ds.psu.edu [146.186.43.223]) by f04n07.cac.psu.edu (8.13.2/8.13.2) with ESMTP id j1E1in3J032372 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:44:50 -0500 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20050213204222.00bb5d98@email.psu.edu> X-Sender: djg25@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:44:48 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Deborah Gill Subject: [encore] New Generic Objects and Appearing in the List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1334 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: djg25@psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: djg25@psu.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hello all!

Everyone has been so helpful I want to thank you!

I have another question which involves two parts:

I am trying to create a new "generic room type" and then I want it to show up in the "rooms" choices. Is it possible to do this?

Thanks!

Have a great week, everyone!

Best,

Debbie

Hello all!

Everyone has been so helpful I want to thank you!

I have another question which involves two parts:

I am trying to create a new "generic room type" and then I want it to show up in the "rooms" choices. Is it possible to do this?

Thanks!

Have a great week, everyone!

Best,

Debbie

Deborah Gill, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor of Spanish
Pennsylvania State University-DuBois
College Place
DuBois, PA 15801
(814) 375-4783
Email: djg25@psu.edu, msdgill@aol.com

"Each of us has an inner dream that we can unfold if
we will just have the courage to admit what it is.
And the faith to trust our own admission. The admitting is often very difficult."

- Julia Cameron -

--=====================_170164718==.ALT-- From Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Tue Feb 15 06:17:20 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:17:20 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 876EE5C6B for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:17:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 458F4130D for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:17:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13129-01-13 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:17:14 -0600 (CST) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 665162CBF for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:17:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from Gilgamesh.accdvm.accd.edu [10.1.11.26] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:15:54 CST Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050215061237.01c5c068@accdvm.accd.edu> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:17:27 -0600 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Lennie Irvin Subject: [encore] enCore Consortium News Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_35500000==.ALT" X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1336 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore --=====================_35500000==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi Everyone, The Steering Committee for the new enCore Consortium recently met, and we have a number of announcements and news items to share with the general enCore community. I think you will agree with me that all of this is good news. *********************************************************************** enCore Consortium Announcements Organization: The enCore Consortium is now officially an unincorporated 501(c)(3) non-profit membership organization with a federal tax ID (EIN), a bank account with some funds, a set of By-Laws, a Steering Committee with 3 officers, members, and a domain name and website. http://encore-consortium.org Steering Committee Lennie Irvin (President), San Antonio College Barbara McManus (Treasurer) College of New Rochelle Dene Grigar (Secretary), Texas Women's University Daniel Jung, University of Bergen, Norway Cynthia Haynes, University of Texas at Dallas Rhonna Robbins-Sponaas, Norway Jeffrey Schneider, Vassar College enCore Consortium--enCore Open Source MOO Project The enCore Open Source MOO Project, initiated by Jan Holmevik and Cynthia Haynes, has begun its second decade (Wow!). In a meeting last month between Jan, Cynthia, Dene, and Lennie, the attendees affirmed that the enCore Consortium is working to support the enCore Open Source MOO Project. In essence, these two efforts are one. enCore's Lead Programmer--Daniel Jung The heart of enCore for years has been Jan Holmevik who was the lead programmer. Last year, Jan passed this job on to Daniel Jung who has been involved with enCore for the last five years and worked with Jan in Bergen. The best news we have to pass on is that Daniel has received a full-time position at his school which enables him to devote considerable time to working on enCore. The Consortium has voted to provide financial assistance to Daniel and his work. The other good news is that Daniel and his wife are expecting twins. Jan Holmevik remains very interested in enCore. He currently is starting a new position at a university in Copenhagen, Denmark, and is working on other programming projects. The Consortium also supports financial assistance to Jan and Cynthia for consulting work related to enCore. Membership in the enCore Consortium Our Steering Committee is still working on ideas about membership. I can tell you a few general things about membership at this point: 1) As an interested user of enCore, you are welcome as a member of the Consortium. There is not membership fee. 2) In fact, membership in the Consortium will help its goals of supporting the enCore Project. Demonstrating a large number of members will be very important when we begin making grant requests. 3) We are attempting to create some benefits for being a member, perhaps access to some special services or offerings. We don't, however, want these services or offerings to get in the way of the spirit of open source that underlies enCore. One benefit of being part of the Consortium is that your local site may be able to receive funds or services generated from grants received by the Consortium. Please stay tuned as we work out the details of what membership in the Consortium means. In the near future, we will be doing a more official "member sign up." enCore Symposium August 12-14, 2005 http://lingua.utdallas.edu/poster-new.jpg Mark your calendar and save your pennies to come to Dallas in August. Dene is the mastermind of this symposium, but all of us envision it as a working gathering and not an academic conference with papers. We will provide more definite details as we have them. The date at least is set. enCore v5 in the works Daniel Jung is actively working on a new version of enCore that promises to be a great upgrade. However, as with all new releases, the release date is not set at this time, and we can make no promises. Our target is to get a beta version out later this Spring. Test it through the Summer, and then hopefully release it for next Fall. The Consortium has made one of its top priorities to support this new release of enCore. Interested in getting involved? If you are interested in getting involved in the enCore Consortium, contact me (Lennie Irvin) at Lirvin@accd.edu. If you have questions about the Consortium or want to talk about its possibilities, I encourage you to post those to the encore-list for general discussion. Cheers to the Second Decade of enCore! Lennie --=====================_35500000==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Hi Everyone,

The Steering Committee for the new enCore Consortium recently met, and we have a number of announcements and news items to share with the general enCore community. I think you will agree with me that all of this is good news.

***********************************************************************
enCore Consortium Announcements

Organization:
The enCore Consortium is now officially an unincorporated 501(c)(3) non-profit membership organization with a federal tax ID (EIN), a bank account with some funds, a set of By-Laws, a Steering Committee with 3 officers, members, and a domain name and website.
http://encore-consortium.org

Steering Committee
Lennie Irvin (President), San Antonio College
Barbara McManus (Treasurer) College of New Rochelle
Dene Grigar (Secretary), Texas Womens University
Daniel Jung, University of Bergen, Norway
Cynthia Haynes, University of Texas at Dallas
Rhonna Robbins-Sponaas, Norway
Jeffrey Schneider, Vassar College

enCore Consortium--enCore Open Source MOO Project
The enCore Open Source MOO Project, initiated by Jan Holmevik and Cynthia Haynes, has begun its second decade (Wow!). In a meeting last month between Jan, Cynthia, Dene, and Lennie, the attendees affirmed that the enCore Consortium is working to support the enCore Open Source MOO Project. In essence, these two efforts are one.

enCores Lead Programmer--Daniel Jung
The heart of enCore for years has been Jan Holmevik who was the lead programmer. Last year, Jan passed this job on to Daniel Jung who has been involved with enCore for the last five years and worked with Jan in Bergen.

The best news we have to pass on is that Daniel has received a full-time position at his school which enables him to devote considerable time to working on enCore. The Consortium has voted to provide financial assistance to Daniel and his work. The other good news is that Daniel and his wife are expecting twins.

Jan Holmevik remains very interested in enCore. He currently is starting a new position at a university in Copenhagen, Denmark, and is working on other programming projects. The Consortium also supports financial assistance to Jan and Cynthia for consulting work related to enCore.

Membership in the enCore Consortium
Our Steering Committee is still working on ideas about membership. I can tell you a few general things about membership at this point:
1) As an interested user of enCore, you are welcome as a member of the Consortium. There is not membership fee.

2) In fact, membership in the Consortium will help its goals of supporting the enCore Project. Demonstrating a large number of members will be very important when we begin making grant requests.

3) We are attempting to create some benefits for being a member, perhaps access to some special services or offerings. We dont, however, want these services or offerings to get in the way of the spirit of open source that underlies enCore. One benefit of being part of the Consortium is that your local site may be able to receive funds or services generated from grants received by the Consortium.

Please stay tuned as we work out the details of what membership in the Consortium means. In the near future, we will be doing a more official member sign up.

enCore Symposium August 12-14, 2005 http://lingua.utdallas.edu/poster-new.jpg
Mark your calendar and save your pennies to come to Dallas in August. Dene is the mastermind of this symposium, but all of us envision it as a working gathering and not an academic conference with papers. We will provide more definite details as we have them. The date at least is set.

enCore v5 in the works
Daniel Jung is actively working on a new version of enCore that promises to be a great upgrade. However, as with all new releases, the release date is not set at this time, and we can make no promises. Our target is to get a beta version out later this Spring. Test it through the Summer, and then hopefully release it for next Fall. The Consortium has made one of its top priorities to support this new release of enCore.

Interested in getting involved?
If you are interested in getting involved in the enCore Consortium, contact me (Lennie Irvin) at Lirvin@accd.edu. If you have questions about the Consortium or want to talk about its possibilities, I encourage you to post those to the encore-list for general discussion.

Cheers to the Second Decade of enCore!

Lennie

--=====================_35500000==.ALT-- From ken@ss.pku.edu.cn Tue Feb 15 07:17:13 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:17:13 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A7445C6B for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:17:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C34E91366 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:17:12 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16228-01-26 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:17:07 -0600 (CST) X-Greylist: delayed 406 seconds by postgrey-1.17 at mx2; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:17:02 CST Received: from mail.ss.pku.edu.cn (unknown [61.50.221.201]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 9A3C93392 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:16:59 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 13789 invoked by uid 0); 15 Feb 2005 21:10:13 +0800 Received: from unknown (HELO ?221.216.167.174?) (ken@221.216.167.174) by 61.50.221.201 with SMTP; 15 Feb 2005 21:10:13 +0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20050215061237.01c5c068@accdvm.accd.edu> References: <6.2.0.14.0.20050215061237.01c5c068@accdvm.accd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3ec27e4bf4dcaf527da541efd278b61f@ss.pku.edu.cn> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kenneth Fields Subject: [encore] XML Format Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:10:12 +0800 To: encore@utdallas.edu X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at utdallas.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.433 tagged_above=1 required=8 tests=BAYES_40, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS, RCVD_BY_IP, SARE_RECV_IP_061050, UTD_UNKNOWN_CLIENT X-Spam-Level: * X-archive-position: 1337 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: ken@ss.pku.edu.cn Precedence: bulk Reply-to: ken@ss.pku.edu.cn List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Would it be reasonable to think of making the encore database an xml project. I mean not just converting/exporting to xml format, but actually working in that format so that it can share it's dynamic knowledge base (rooms, objects) with some other kinds of interfaces - like wiki's. Are there any tools for visualizing the network structure of the Moo. thanks, ken From alexborgia@hotmail.com Tue Feb 15 20:06:07 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 20:06:07 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 640DC5BB0 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 20:06:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D6DFEFA for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 20:06:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01944-01-81 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 20:06:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay13-dav5.bay13.hotmail.com [64.4.31.179]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A00EC2CBF for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 20:06:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 18:06:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 66.36.145.64 by BAY13-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 02:05:55 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [66.36.145.64] X-Originating-Email: [alexborgia@hotmail.com] X-Sender: alexborgia@hotmail.com From: "Alexandre Borgia" To: Subject: [encore] Re: XML Format Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:06:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUTYLjpH9JQjnVGRSuP8/QburYmuQAVRjMg In-Reply-To: <3ec27e4bf4dcaf527da541efd278b61f@ss.pku.edu.cn> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Feb 2005 02:06:00.0658 (UTC) FILETIME=[0FA3DB20:01C513CC] X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1338 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: alexborgia@hotmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: alexborgia@hotmail.com List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi, enCore may be seen as an Object-Oriented Database. Data in MOO makes no sense by itself (like it does in a relational database, a file system, a content repository, etc.) It is by querying an object's = interface that you know what kind of information it holds and under which forms it = can be retrieved. It is the object's responsibility to keep what = information it believes necessary and find ways to reconstruct missing bits so it = always furnishes something whole and meaningful. Seen from this perspective, it is not a matter of using XML as a database format for MOOs but more of making MOO objects XML-aware - a = little like the mechanism used to serve web content in enCore. Through this philosophy, a way to achieve your example goal of making a Wiki would be to make an underlying "Wiki Class" which is implemented by all your library objects (rooms, notes, projectors, web pages, etc.) This type of object would have a mean to navigate through = all other Wiki nodes, communicate with them, find matching text, keep track = of links and finally provide a way to publish its findings (let it be plain text, HTML, XML, ...) It would then be up to you to either make an external interface to present your Wiki (for instance, fetching raw XMLs using enCore built-in = web server) or use enCore's interface directly. The important thing to = seize is how, in MOO, "the medium is the message" :) (Marshall McLuhan) This is the natural way to go with MOOs, or at least a point of view on the subject. Note that nothing prevents you from using more generic channels of communication with specialized "Wiki" clients, but it will/should always involve exploiting one of the many facets of = specialized objects - never data directly. - Alexandre Borgia PS: I remember hearing about XML parsers / XSL processors for MOOs. Is anyone aware of such projects? -----Original Message----- From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu] On Behalf Of Kenneth Fields Sent: mardi 15 f=E9vrier 2005 08:10 To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] XML Format Would it be reasonable to think of making the encore database an xml=20 project. I mean not just converting/exporting to xml format, but actually=20 working in that format so that it can share it's dynamic knowledge base (rooms, objects) with=20 some other kinds of interfaces - like wiki's. Are there any tools for visualizing the network structure of the Moo. thanks, ken From milokp@gmail.com Tue Feb 15 21:44:03 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:44:03 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 164985BB0 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:44:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C100913BB for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:44:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07540-01-84 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:43:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.192]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2691341E for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:43:58 -0600 (CST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j1so24582rnf for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 19:43:58 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=nBmY5NfV2cs2u6r58w90lmuHs0B8AfdfugjS/6jK912kJRCgF86v7eC0uPzh1wqoKTJBB9TFq9rTHkndiHs9goFodXO+fyXU24/4KVwcyN09IRBmNwjiCJe7gjlrJfJqR7n0+tT/7+H0vsVFhN2cBGnvVk0qsjmQTSsTyupJwBg= Received: by 10.38.126.57 with SMTP id y57mr112883rnc; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 19:43:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.208.75 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 19:43:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 22:43:57 -0500 From: Milo Pschigoda To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Re: XML Format In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: <3ec27e4bf4dcaf527da541efd278b61f@ss.pku.edu.cn> X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1339 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: milokp@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: milokp@gmail.com List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore I am not really taking either side to this discussion, so long as the front end works, I do not really care how the back end works. I'd like to point out some things, however. We would not be moving from an enCore data base to an XML database. EnCore is just a starting data base for the LambdaMoo server, called a Core file in lambda terms. It would also be, I would assume, a large task to re-tool what is arguably lambdaMoo's main purpose, which is to parse it's database. On top of that, going XML would take a rewriting and reorgonising of the enCore database, which is another large task. This is not to say that I am against the project, just that if we were to go this way, we might just want to think about writing a new server. One that has an XML data file and that would provide for the features a wiki has that enCore does not, which to me is only a change log, as encore already has the "edit from within the environment" aspect. With a new server, we there might be a way to get away from the Java applet as well. As for visualising the Moo, you are looking for some "auto mapping" feature? I know some mud clients have auto map, it would not be real-time, and it would not be interactive, but it might be a stop-gap solution. Just my off the cuff thoughts, MilesP On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:06:04 -0500, Alexandre Borgia wrote: > Hi, >=20 > enCore may be seen as an Object-Oriented Database. Data in MOO > makes no sense by itself (like it does in a relational database, a file > system, a content repository, etc.) It is by querying an object's interf= ace > that you know what kind of information it holds and under which forms it = can > be retrieved. It is the object's responsibility to keep what information= it > believes necessary and find ways to reconstruct missing bits so it always > furnishes something whole and meaningful. > Seen from this perspective, it is not a matter of using XML as a > database format for MOOs but more of making MOO objects XML-aware - a lit= tle > like the mechanism used to serve web content in enCore. >=20 > Through this philosophy, a way to achieve your example goal of > making a Wiki would be to make an underlying "Wiki Class" which is > implemented by all your library objects (rooms, notes, projectors, web > pages, etc.) This type of object would have a mean to navigate through a= ll > other Wiki nodes, communicate with them, find matching text, keep track o= f > links and finally provide a way to publish its findings (let it be plain > text, HTML, XML, ...) >=20 > It would then be up to you to either make an external interface t= o > present your Wiki (for instance, fetching raw XMLs using enCore built-in = web > server) or use enCore's interface directly. The important thing to seize= is > how, in MOO, "the medium is the message" :) (Marshall McLuhan) >=20 > This is the natural way to go with MOOs, or at least a point of v= iew > on the subject. Note that nothing prevents you from using more generic > channels of communication with specialized "Wiki" clients, but it > will/should always involve exploiting one of the many facets of specializ= ed > objects - never data directly. >=20 >=20 > - Alexandre Borgia >=20 >=20 > PS: I remember hearing about XML parsers / XSL processors for MOOs. Is > anyone aware of such projects? >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu] On > Behalf Of Kenneth Fields > Sent: mardi 15 f=E9vrier 2005 08:10 > To: encore@utdallas.edu > Subject: [encore] XML Format >=20 > Would it be reasonable to think of making the encore database an xml > project. > I mean not just converting/exporting to xml format, but actually > working in that format > so that it can share it's dynamic knowledge base (rooms, objects) with > some other kinds of > interfaces - like wiki's. >=20 > Are there any tools for visualizing the network structure of the Moo. >=20 > thanks, > ken >=20 > From herve@hawaii.edu Wed Feb 16 03:32:37 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 16 Feb 2005 03:32:38 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B73D5BAD for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 03:32:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50A41141C for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 03:32:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 25831-01-99 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 03:32:34 -0600 (CST) X-Greylist: delayed 7262 seconds by postgrey-1.17 at mx2; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 03:32:33 CST Received: from rapidash.its.hawaii.edu (rapidash.its.hawaii.edu [128.171.94.83]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D79A0342A for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 03:32:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail.hawaii.edu by mail.hawaii.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.14 (built Oct 8 2003)) id <0IBZ00A01TVAZJ@mail.hawaii.edu>; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:31:30 -1000 (HST) Received: from uhunix2 (uhunix2.its.hawaii.edu [128.171.44.7]) by mail.hawaii.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.14 (built Oct 8 2003)) with ESMTPS id <0IBZ009PEU7PAI@mail.hawaii.edu>; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:31:01 -1000 (HST) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:31:01 -1000 (HST) From: "Kr@nX" Subject: [encore] Re: XML Format In-reply-to: X-X-Sender: herve@uhunix2 To: Alexandre Borgia Cc: encore@utdallas.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE References: X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1340 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: herve@hawaii.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: herve@hawaii.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Korbeau, Yes, Aldon (Lambda) did some work with it some time ago. Lost track of how far he got though, but he mentions MOO canada, so some work must have done there as well. http://ahynes1.homeip.net:8000/moo/connectivity.htm under the XML section. Aloha, rv, =3D) > PS: I remember hearing about XML parsers / XSL processors for MOOs. Is > anyone aware of such projects? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu] On > Behalf Of Kenneth Fields > Sent: mardi 15 f=E9vrier 2005 08:10 > To: encore@utdallas.edu > Subject: [encore] XML Format > > Would it be reasonable to think of making the encore database an xml > project. > I mean not just converting/exporting to xml format, but actually > working in that format > so that it can share it's dynamic knowledge base (rooms, objects) with > some other kinds of > interfaces - like wiki's. > > Are there any tools for visualizing the network structure of the Moo. > > thanks, > ken > > ------BEGIN GC BLOCK----- GO d? s-:-- !a C++ L++ P++ L++ E- W-- N+ o K- w--- !O M !V PS+++ !PE Y+ PGP t !5 X R* !tv b+ !DI D- G e+++ h !r y? ------END GC BLOCK------ From Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Wed Feb 16 06:23:37 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 16 Feb 2005 06:23:37 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E3835BAD for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 06:23:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 515D513FE for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 06:23:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06253-01-56 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 06:23:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id D4A293430 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 06:23:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from Gilgamesh.accdvm.accd.edu [10.1.11.66] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 06:22:15 CST Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050216062027.01cbddc0@accdvm.accd.edu> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 06:23:55 -0600 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Lennie Irvin Subject: [encore] Re: XML Format In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1341 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore You all are way above my head, but I wanted to express my interest in the=20 topic. I know there has been some similar discussion regarding php and=20 encore moo. I don't know if this is similar to your XML speculation. What= =20 exactly did Jan do related to XML for enCore 4? I know he did something,=20 but obviously it isn't what you all are talking about. I search the encore consortium development site, and found this post from=20 Alex that seems to be on a similar topic (on Dynamic Content (Inline=20 Scripting, XSL, ...) . I thought it was worth throwing back out there. http://www.encore-consortium.org/moodle/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=3D12 Lennie At 01:31 AM 2/16/2005, you wrote: >Korbeau, >Yes, Aldon (Lambda) did some work with it some time ago. Lost track of how >far he got though, but he mentions MOO canada, so some work must have >done there as well. >http://ahynes1.homeip.net:8000/moo/connectivity.htm >under the XML section. >Aloha, >rv, =3D) > > > PS: I remember hearing about XML parsers / XSL processors for MOOs. Is > > anyone aware of such projects? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu] On > > Behalf Of Kenneth Fields > > Sent: mardi 15 f=E9vrier 2005 08:10 > > To: encore@utdallas.edu > > Subject: [encore] XML Format > > > > Would it be reasonable to think of making the encore database an xml > > project. > > I mean not just converting/exporting to xml format, but actually > > working in that format > > so that it can share it's dynamic knowledge base (rooms, objects) with > > some other kinds of > > interfaces - like wiki's. > > > > Are there any tools for visualizing the network structure of the Moo. > > > > thanks, > > ken > > > > > >------BEGIN GC BLOCK----- >GO d? s-:-- !a C++ L++ P++ L++ E- W-- N+ o K- w--- !O M !V >PS+++ !PE Y+ PGP t !5 X R* !tv b+ !DI D- G e+++ h !r y? >------END GC BLOCK------ From cynthiah@utdallas.edu Wed Feb 16 11:50:06 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 16 Feb 2005 11:50:06 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from smtp1.utdallas.edu (smtp1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.5]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DF645BAD for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 11:50:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (66.169.106.136.ts46v-02.mhe2.ftwrth.tx.charter.com [66.169.106.136]) by smtp1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EDCB388FB0; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 11:50:05 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 11:52:53 -0600 Subject: [encore] Re: XML Format From: Cynthia Haynes To: , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20050216062027.01cbddc0@accdvm.accd.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 1342 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: cynthiah@utdallas.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: cynthiah@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore On the enCore download site, Jan explains the general modification to the code this way: " enCore version 4.0 represents a total overhaul of the Xpress client. While the interface has only received minor cosmetic improvements, all code generated by the system has been converted to XHTML 1.0 and a new set of utility verbs are now being used for tagging." Maybe this helps... Best, Cynthia __Cynthia Haynes, Director of Rhetoric and Writing___________________ University of Texas at Dallas cynthiah@utdallas.edu School of Arts & Humanities http://www.utdallas.edu/~cynthiah PO Box 830688-JO 31 http://lingua.utdallas.edu:7000 Richardson, TX 75083-0688 (O)972-883-6340 (F)972-883-2989 From wmrowland@earthlink.net Wed Feb 16 17:24:40 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:24:40 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FFF05BBB for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:24:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2601FB3B for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:24:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17706-01-9 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:24:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EE3A2CBF for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:24:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from [69.150.179.230] (helo=wrowland) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1D1YX5-0002xH-Ro for encore@utdallas.edu; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:24:36 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=jVwAnsPlDWYxpIz4ISfgFQEqqebSJMlZf1UxGe3MdLAE73c1cxgj+yXOh4DgXYw8; Message-ID: <004301c5147f$8458ee70$6501a8c0@wrowland> From: "William D. Rowland" To: "Encore Mailinglist" Subject: [encore] activity Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:30:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0040_01C5144D.393DB5B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: cb001bddce8cb139419b067d67682ccd7e972de0d01da940d0a8ab6583f471937f1903b5cb745339350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.150.179.230 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1343 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: wmrowland@earthlink.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: wmrowland@earthlink.net List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C5144D.393DB5B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please excuse me for not thanking everyone for responses...the reason is = that each one solves part of the problem and I am off to another as = quick as I hear from anyone. Progress is real some days and elusive = another. But I really appreciate this list. Nothing was available when I = came into the MOO world about 1996. I had to call up Pavel Curtis once = and he was most helpful. Thereafter the folks I was working with cut me = a wide path just because I had talked with Him! I have been away from = MOO so long that long term memory has flat-lined. Anyway, my question today is related to my recollection that there was a = @log month or some such to tell me who had logged on recently. Is = something like that still operative? Thanks in advance. Bill R. ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C5144D.393DB5B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Please excuse me for not thanking = everyone for=20 responses...the reason is that each one solves part of the problem and I = am off=20 to another as quick as I hear from anyone. Progress is real some days = and=20 elusive another. But I really appreciate this list. Nothing was = available when I=20 came into the MOO world about 1996. I had to call up Pavel Curtis once = and he=20 was most helpful. Thereafter the folks I was working with cut me a wide = path=20 just because I had talked with Him! I have been away from MOO so = long that=20 long term memory has flat-lined.

Anyway, my question today is related to = my=20 recollection that there was a @log month or some such to tell me who had = logged=20 on recently. Is something like that still operative? Thanks in=20 advance.

Bill R.

------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C5144D.393DB5B0-- From cynthiah@utdallas.edu Wed Feb 16 17:42:47 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:42:47 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from smtp1.utdallas.edu (smtp1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.5]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D1535BBB for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:42:47 -0600 (CST) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (66.169.106.136.ts46v-02.mhe2.ftwrth.tx.charter.com [66.169.106.136]) by smtp1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 809B0388C3C; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:42:36 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:45:23 -0600 Subject: [encore] Re: activity From: Cynthia Haynes To: , Encore Mailinglist Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004301c5147f$8458ee70$6501a8c0@wrowland> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 1344 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: cynthiah@utdallas.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: cynthiah@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Bill, I believe the command is @lastlog. Best, Cynthia __Cynthia Haynes, Director of Rhetoric and Writing___________________ University of Texas at Dallas cynthiah@utdallas.edu School of Arts & Humanities http://www.utdallas.edu/~cynthiah PO Box 830688-JO 31 http://lingua.utdallas.edu:7000 Richardson, TX 75083-0688 (O)972-883-6340 (F)972-883-2989 From kevijeps@telusplanet.net Wed Feb 16 20:35:08 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:35:08 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6D735BBB for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:35:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9465A14B6 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:35:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28242-01-98 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:35:05 -0600 (CST) X-Greylist: delayed 11007 seconds by postgrey-1.17 at mx2; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:34:59 CST Received: from priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net (outbound01.telus.net [199.185.220.220]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id F30BB2CBF for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:34:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from lilith ([137.186.225.85]) by priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050216233132.NRYM24580.priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net@lilith>; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:31:32 -0700 From: "Kevin Jepson" To: , "'Encore Mailinglist'" Subject: [encore] Re: activity Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:31:32 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c5147f$a623e6e0$640119ac@lilith> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C51444.F9C81C20" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-reply-to: <004301c5147f$8458ee70$6501a8c0@wrowland> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at utdallas.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.743 tagged_above=1 required=8 tests=BAYES_50, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TEXT_AFTER_BODY, HTML_TEXT_AFTER_HTML X-Spam-Level: * X-archive-position: 1345 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: kevijeps@telusplanet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: kevijeps@telusplanet.net List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C51444.F9C81C20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill I believe the command is @lastlog Ciao KJ -----Original Message----- From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu] On Behalf Of William D. Rowland Sent: February 16, 2005 4:31 PM To: Encore Mailinglist Subject: [encore] activity Please excuse me for not thanking everyone for responses...the reason is that each one solves part of the problem and I am off to another as = quick as I hear from anyone. Progress is real some days and elusive another. But = I really appreciate this list. Nothing was available when I came into the = MOO world about 1996. I had to call up Pavel Curtis once and he was most helpful. Thereafter the folks I was working with cut me a wide path just because I had talked with Him! I have been away from MOO so long that = long term memory has flat-lined. =20 Anyway, my question today is related to my recollection that there was a @log month or some such to tell me who had logged on recently. Is = something like that still operative? Thanks in advance. =20 Bill R. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 14/02/2005 --=20 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 14/02/2005 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C51444.F9C81C20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

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I=20 believe the command is @lastlog

Ciao

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Please excuse me for not thanking = everyone for=20 responses...the reason is that each one solves part of the problem and = I am=20 off to another as quick as I hear from anyone. Progress is real some = days and=20 elusive another. But I really appreciate this list. Nothing was = available when=20 I came into the MOO world about 1996. I had to call up Pavel Curtis = once and=20 he was most helpful. Thereafter the folks I was working with cut me a = wide=20 path just because I had talked with Him! I have been away = from MOO so=20 long that long term memory has flat-lined.

Anyway, my question today is related = to my=20 recollection that there was a @log month or some such to tell me who = had=20 logged on recently. Is something like that still operative? = Thanks in=20 advance.

Bill R.

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------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C51444.F9C81C20-- From tavrmina@msu.edu Thu Feb 17 00:21:11 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 17 Feb 2005 00:21:11 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78C375BBB for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 00:21:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27B323D0 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 00:21:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11437-01-22 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 00:21:08 -0600 (CST) X-Greylist: delayed 5646 seconds by postgrey-1.17 at mx2; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 00:21:08 CST Received: from sys03.mail.msu.edu (sys03.mail.msu.edu [35.9.75.103]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABB09342A for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 00:21:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from pm726-36.dialip.mich.net ([35.12.19.88] helo=MTT-X200.msu.edu) by sys03.mail.msu.edu with esmtpsa (Exim 4.43 #1) (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) id 1D1dZ6-00070P-FM for encore@utdallas.edu; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 23:47:01 -0500 Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20050216233826.01f72e20@mail.msu.edu> X-Sender: tavrmina@mail.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 23:46:58 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Tess Tavormina Subject: [encore] Looking for exit-options and player-messages in enCore 4.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus: None found by Clam AV X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1346 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: tavrmina@msu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: tavrmina@msu.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi, all -- This may be a dumb question, but does anyone know where I could find the exit options (invisibility, messages, etc.) that used to be available when one edited an exit in enCore 3.x or the player-messages one could give to oneself under the Options button? I know I was able to edit such things without going into the command-line mode under 3.x, and the messages I gave myself and to various exits are all still there in enCore 4.0.1, which I'm using now, but I haven't been able to see where they can be modified using the enCore Xpress buttons. Thanks -- Tess From Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Thu Feb 17 09:19:54 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:19:55 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B89285BE7 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:19:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A1F5E93 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:19:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11593-01-69 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:19:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 3CCE5342A for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:19:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from Gilgamesh.accdvm.accd.edu [10.1.11.42] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:18:34 CST Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050217091454.01cafc70@accdvm.accd.edu> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:19:48 -0600 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Lennie Irvin Subject: [encore] Re: Looking for exit-options and player-messages in enCore 4.0 In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20050216233826.01f72e20@mail.msu.edu> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20050216233826.01f72e20@mail.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1347 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi Tess, You are right. They did disappear in v4. I noticed that when I was putting together the user guide. I think the way to do it is to get your player object number. Then go to the Program Menu Button and put your player number in the Xpress Program Editor. On the right you will see the Properties associated with your player object. You should see the exit message property or any other ones you wish to edit and you can change them right there in the Xpress Program Editor. I assume that Daniel will return the ability to set the messages in the upcoming enCore v5 (right Daniel?) Lennie At 10:46 PM 2/16/2005, you wrote: >Hi, all -- > >This may be a dumb question, but does anyone know where I could find the >exit options (invisibility, messages, etc.) that used to be available when >one edited an exit in enCore 3.x or the player-messages one could give to >oneself under the Options button? > >I know I was able to edit such things without going into the command-line >mode under 3.x, and the messages I gave myself and to various exits are >all still there in enCore 4.0.1, which I'm using now, but I haven't been >able to see where they can be modified using the enCore Xpress buttons. > >Thanks -- > >Tess > From tavrmina@msu.edu Thu Feb 17 20:29:28 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:29:28 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 027DF5BAD for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:29:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99C4617F7 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:29:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 18901-01-75 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:29:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from sys09.mail.msu.edu (sys09.mail.msu.edu [35.9.75.109]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F615346E for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:29:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from pm845-26.dialip.mich.net ([35.12.24.178] helo=MTT-X200.msu.edu) by sys09.mail.msu.edu with esmtpsa (Exim 4.43 #1) (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) id 1D1xtI-0006Ci-4e for encore@utdallas.edu; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 21:29:15 -0500 Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20050217211733.02629bd8@mail.msu.edu> X-Sender: tavrmina@mail.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 21:29:04 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Tess Tavormina Subject: [encore] Re: Looking for exit-options and player-messages in enCore 4.0 In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20050217091454.01cafc70@accdvm.accd.edu> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20050216233826.01f72e20@mail.msu.edu> <5.2.1.1.2.20050216233826.01f72e20@mail.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_7651342==.ALT" X-Virus: None found by Clam AV X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1348 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: tavrmina@msu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: tavrmina@msu.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore --=====================_7651342==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Thanks, Lennie -- I was able to make changes in my own player messages, though never did successfully figure out how to make exits themselves invisible (it looks like it ought to be the 'obvious' property, but when I set it to 0 after creating an exit, it didn't make the exit disappear). Oh well.... I probably won't make all my student builders into programmers just to enable them to have messages for when they enter a room. I second the hope that the ability to set messages (by builders, with an XPress editing option) will come back in Daniel's upcoming version, and also the options for exits. They helped builders feel more like they owned the space. All best, Tess At 09:19 AM 2/17/2005 -0600, Lennie Irvin wrote: >Hi Tess, > >You are right. They did disappear in v4. I noticed that when I was >putting together the user guide. I think the way to do it is to get your >player object number. Then go to the Program Menu Button and put your >player number in the Xpress Program Editor. On the right you will see the >Properties associated with your player object. You should see the exit >message property or any other ones you wish to edit and you can change >them right there in the Xpress Program Editor. > >I assume that Daniel will return the ability to set the messages in the >upcoming enCore v5 (right Daniel?) > >Lennie > >At 10:46 PM 2/16/2005, you wrote: >>Hi, all -- >> >>This may be a dumb question, but does anyone know where I could find the >>exit options (invisibility, messages, etc.) that used to be available >>when one edited an exit in enCore 3.x or the player-messages one could >>give to oneself under the Options button? >> >>I know I was able to edit such things without going into the command-line >>mode under 3.x, and the messages I gave myself and to various exits are >>all still there in enCore 4.0.1, which I'm using now, but I haven't been >>able to see where they can be modified using the enCore Xpress buttons. >> >>Thanks -- >> >>Tess > > > --=====================_7651342==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Thanks, Lennie --

I was able to make changes in my own player messages, though never did successfully figure out how to make exits themselves invisible (it looks like it ought to be the 'obvious' property, but when I set it to 0 after creating an exit, it didn't make the exit disappear). Oh well.... I probably won't make all my student builders into programmers just to enable them to have messages for when they enter a room.

I second the hope that the ability to set messages (by builders, with an XPress editing option) will come back in Daniel's upcoming version, and also the options for exits. They helped builders feel more like they owned the space.

All best,

Tess

At 09:19 AM 2/17/2005 -0600, Lennie Irvin wrote:

Hi Tess,

You are right. They did disappear in v4. I noticed that when I was putting together the user guide. I think the way to do it is to get your player object number. Then go to the Program Menu Button and put your player number in the Xpress Program Editor. On the right you will see the Properties associated with your player object. You should see the exit message property or any other ones you wish to edit and you can change them right there in the Xpress Program Editor.

I assume that Daniel will return the ability to set the messages in the upcoming enCore v5 (right Daniel?)

Lennie

At 10:46 PM 2/16/2005, you wrote:

Hi, all --

This may be a dumb question, but does anyone know where I could find the exit options (invisibility, messages, etc.) that used to be available when one edited an exit in enCore 3.x or the player-messages one could give to oneself under the Options button?

I know I was able to edit such things without going into the command-line mode under 3.x, and the messages I gave myself and to various exits are all still there in enCore 4.0.1, which I'm using now, but I haven't been able to see where they can be modified using the enCore Xpress buttons.

Thanks --

Tess

--=====================_7651342==.ALT-- From ken@ss.pku.edu.cn Thu Feb 17 22:25:52 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 17 Feb 2005 22:25:52 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDABC5BAD for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 22:25:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96F0518A7 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 22:25:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26722-01-64 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 22:25:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.ss.pku.edu.cn (unknown [61.50.221.201]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 0C2A13506 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 22:25:37 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 11596 invoked by uid 0); 18 Feb 2005 12:25:32 +0800 Received: from unknown (HELO ?221.216.167.100?) (ken@221.216.167.100) by 61.50.221.201 with SMTP; 18 Feb 2005 12:25:32 +0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Kenneth Fields Subject: [encore] Re: XML Format Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:25:31 +0800 To: encore@utdallas.edu X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at utdallas.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.41 tagged_above=1 required=8 tests=AWL, BAYES_20, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS, MY_CHARPARENS, RCVD_BY_IP, SARE_RECV_IP_061050, UTD_UNKNOWN_CLIENT, WEIRD_PORT X-Spam-Level: * X-archive-position: 1349 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: ken@ss.pku.edu.cn Precedence: bulk Reply-to: ken@ss.pku.edu.cn List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore thanks for all the feedback on the xml question, I think it hints at starting from scratch rather than transforming=20 existing highly functional technologies such as encore/Lambda.