From jricher.n1zzh@gmail.com Sat Jan 1 07:49:02 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Sat, 01 Jan 2005 07:49:02 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 025AE5BAD for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 07:49:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B180D2AA1 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 07:49:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19141-01-93 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 07:48:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from fed1rmmtao11.cox.net (fed1rmmtao11.cox.net [68.230.241.28]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE20635B0 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 07:48:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from [192.168.1.20] (really [68.104.1.109]) by fed1rmmtao11.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20050101134858.FTYR28808.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@[192.168.1.20]> for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 08:48:58 -0500 Message-ID: <41D6AAB1.7010508@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 05:50:41 -0800 From: Jacques Richer User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0RC1 (Windows/20041201) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Encore Subject: [encore] Re: Problems using Encore with browsers other than IE References: <5.2.0.9.2.20041209004037.00ba12e8@email.psu.edu> <5.2.0.9.2.20041209004037.00ba12e8@email.psu.edu> <5.2.0.9.2.20041217220229.01ed70c8@email.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20041217220229.01ed70c8@email.psu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1277 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jricher.n1zzh@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jricher.n1zzh@gmail.com List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore I just did a new install of EnCore. The browser based functions don't work correctly. If I select telnet from the login page, I can login manually and access the MOO fine. In normal login mode, I get an extra browser window, and the page sits blank. (All from firefox) IE Doesn't work either. Any help would be appreciated. Jacques Richer Deborah Gill wrote: > Hello all, > > Thanks to all for your responses! I'm going to try to answer all of > the questions here because it is even a bit more perplexing than I > thought and I'm not sure if it might be some setting that I have > rather than the browsers themselves. Here goes: > > Lennie Irvin wrote: > >> I'm not sure your problems are having to do with the browser(s). I'm >> in enCore with Mozilla Foxfire (Mozilla 5.0) all the time with no >> problems. I believe the program is tested to work in as many >> browsers as possible (Opera, Safari ...), so I think it must be >> something else. >> It does seem odd, though, that you would not experience the problem >> in IE. Perhaps Daniel or others might have more insight into what is >> going on. What version of encore are you using? > > > */For some unknown reason, my MOO no longer works AT ALL > neither in Mozilla Foxfire nor in Netscape 7.0 at the University. > Testing it at home, it does not work in Netscape 7.0 (except the "one > line" and then nothing). HOWEVER, I can get into LinguaMOO without > any problem...it works perfectly well at home. Mine and LinguaMOO > work just fine in IE in both places. Both LinguaMOO and World of > Diversity (mine--http://diversity.ds.psu.edu:7000) are both running > Encore 4.0.1. > > /*Daniel Jung wrote: > >> What version of encore are you using? > > > Perhaps even more important: What applet are you using? MOOtcan? Which > version? If you are using 0.50, switch to 0.1.2, that'll do I guess. > What Java version do you use (on campus)? If it's the 1.5 pre-release, > you'd have to scroll for down for each input line (kind of a bug). > What does the Java console tell anyway? > > */Daniel, yes, it is MOOtcan. How can I tell which version it > is and, if it is the 0.50, how do I change that? (Sorry for being so > ignorant about this!). The Java console show "run" errors. I also > just received a message from a teacher saying that he is getting a > "DLL file causing an error"./ > > * */I did notice that Netscape 7.0 seems to pick up "Sun Java" > when I try to log on to World of Diversity. Is there a way for this > to be overridden? In IE I know that the IST department had to set IE > to take Microsoft VM (JIT Compiler). Is this the problem and, if so, > does anyone have any suggestions on how to fix it? > > /* */Another question/problem: When someone goes to log on to > World of Diversity, a "blank" pop up comes up and then the > "enCoreXpress" pop up sometimes comes up, sometimes doesn't. Is there > a way to get the "blank" pop up not to pop up? > > > Thanks to all for your help and comments! I really appreciate it! > > /Best to all, > > Debbie > > * > > Deborah Gill, Ph.D. > Assistant Professor of Spanish > Pennsylvania State University-DuBois > College Place > DuBois, PA 15801 > (814) 375-4783 > Email: djg25@psu.edu, msdgill@aol.com > > > > "Each of us has an inner dream that we can unfold if > we will just have the courage to admit what it is. > And the faith to trust our own admission. The admitting is often very > difficult." > > - Julia Cameron - > From ps138792@ohio.edu Wed Jan 5 11:20:09 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 05 Jan 2005 11:20:10 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7A635C75 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:20:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DFC12154 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:20:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11963-01-45 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:20:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx1.cns.ohiou.edu (smtpout1.cns.ohiou.edu [132.235.51.146]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABEF435C3 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:20:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from oak.cats.ohiou.edu (132.235.8.44) by mx1.cns.ohiou.edu with ESMTP; 05 Jan 2005 12:20:06 -0500 Received: from 132.235.87.74 by pm9 for 1s (PureMessage); Wed Jan 5 12:16:18 2005 Received: from paul-97fa2892aa (dhcp-087-074.cns.ohiou.edu [132.235.87.74]) (authenticated bits=0) by oak.cats.ohiou.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j05HGIQE1776748 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 12:16:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 12:16:05 -0500 From: Paul Shovlin To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Macs and browsers...enCore support Message-ID: <41D9A51E6F2E8A05A3069B9E@paul-97fa2892aa> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.5 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621, Antispam-Engine: 2.0.2.0, Antispam-Data: 2005.1.5.1 (pm9) X-PMX-Information: http://www.cns.ohiou.edu/email/filtering/ X-PMX-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__CD 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1278 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: ps138792@ohio.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: ps138792@ohio.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hey Folks, We're having some problems getting everything working on our client-side computers. Does anyone know of any Mac issues with enCore? We have at least one Mac which flat out refuses to work with the MOO. Usually, it seems to be the left hand side of the screen...it's often blank or we cannot enter input in the text box. We've repeatedly checked and Java is enabled (IE). On other Macs, MOO will will not work unless we try opening it a few times. When we try other Mac browsers, Safari, for example, it all seems to open up, but we're only getting a portion of the java text that is supposed to load. Can anyone help with this? Or is Mac just not supported? I've heard that Mac is going to no longer support explorer at some point. Does this mean that enCore can only be stable on PCs? Any insights would be appreciated... Paul Shovlin Ohio University From ewgoff@comcast.net Wed Jan 5 16:02:46 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:21:35 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D6065BC3 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 16:02:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0242051DB for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 16:02:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22768-01-63 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 16:02:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2336739F4 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 16:02:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from master (pcp03504071pcs.elictc01.md.comcast.net[68.54.161.232]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005010522024001300c9grke>; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 22:02:41 +0000 From: "Edward Goff" To: Subject: [encore] Re: Macs and browsers...enCore support Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 16:59:30 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <41D9A51E6F2E8A05A3069B9E@paul-97fa2892aa> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1279 X-Approved-By: cynthiah@utdallas.edu X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: ewgoff@comcast.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: ewgoff@comcast.net List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore I've been reading a lot of problems cropping up with encore lately. Reading this I came to one conclusions and did some research on it. Anyone is welcome to correct me or offer suggestions. Recently once again M$ and Sun had it out and java was changed again. I run Linux and Windows, 2k, xp pro & home, 2k3 server for Operating systems. My browsers are Firefox .8 and IE 6.x. I have friends who have mozilla and Opera and Firefox .6-1.0. I we have all tested different sites as well a couple of encore sites. For whatever reason JAVA has changed again I believe. This creates problems with many web sites as well as encore. Whether this is a fact or just a personal assumption that is incorrect I do not know. This is why I'm sharing it here to see if others want to think and notice. Edward Goff Systems Development Space Conquest & Shadows Lair www.spaceconquest.net www.shadowslair.net From cynthiah@utdallas.edu Wed Jan 5 19:26:50 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:26:50 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from smtp1.utdallas.edu (smtp1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.5]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27D505C9D for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:26:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (66.169.106.136.ts46v-02.mhe2.ftwrth.tx.charter.com [66.169.106.136]) by smtp1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DB0F38966E; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:26:04 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:28:44 -0600 Subject: [encore] Re: Macs and browsers...enCore support From: Cynthia Haynes To: , encore Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <41D9A51E6F2E8A05A3069B9E@paul-97fa2892aa> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 1280 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: cynthiah@utdallas.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: cynthiah@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore You're right that MS is no longer developing IE for Macintosh systems. So, I switched to Safari for awhile, but it's a bit buggy with enCore (ie it seems to be sluggish when you first log in, and sometimes it takes several attempts to get the telnet chat applet side to load). But Firefox works fine with no problems at all. So, I'd recommend using Firefox. Best, Cynthia __Cynthia Haynes, Director of Rhetoric and Writing___________________ University of Texas at Dallas cynthiah@utdallas.edu School of Arts & Humanities http://www.utdallas.edu/~cynthiah PO Box 830688-JO 31 http://lingua.utdallas.edu:7000 Richardson, TX 75083-0688 (O)972-883-6340 (F)972-883-2989 From KEustace@csu.edu.au Wed Jan 5 19:38:07 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:38:07 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3279A5BC3 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:38:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA0102D7E for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:38:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16469-01-63 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:38:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from csunb.mit.csu.edu.au (csunb.csu.edu.au [137.166.4.1]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6805B35C3 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:38:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from XCWW01.CSUMain.csu.edu.au (xcww01.riv.csu.edu.au [137.166.69.22]) by csunb.mit.csu.edu.au (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j061arrm025033; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:36:54 +1100 (EST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [encore] Re: Macs and browsers...enCore support Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:37:00 +1100 Message-ID: <8C2D9A2B9988B342BD8BAABEF0C83DB6BFB637@xcww01.riv.csu.edu.au> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [encore] Macs and browsers...enCore support Thread-Index: AcTzSuj0hWW1rvm+QfiY/S9vpCg90wARGaPA From: "Eustace, Ken" To: , X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1281 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: KEustace@csu.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-to: KEustace@csu.edu.au List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore I agree with Cynthia, RE: Firefox 1.0 from http://www.mozilla.org/=20 Faster and regularly updated and very good with the EnCore interface. I recommend it to my students and now have less of these Browser war problems. Ken Eustace Lecturer (Information Systems) Study Group Program Manager (IT) School of Information Studies Charles Sturt University Wagga Wagga NSW Australia 2678 Web: farrer.csu.edu.au/~keustace -----Original Message----- From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Shovlin Sent: Thursday, 6 January 2005 4:16 AM To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Macs and browsers...enCore support Hey Folks, We're having some problems getting everything working on our client-side computers. Does anyone know of any Mac issues with enCore? We have at least=20 one Mac which flat out refuses to work with the MOO. Usually, it seems to=20 be the left hand side of the screen...it's often blank or we cannot enter=20 input in the text box. We've repeatedly checked and Java is enabled (IE).=20 On other Macs, MOO will will not work unless we try opening it a few times.=20 When we try other Mac browsers, Safari, for example, it all seems to open=20 up, but we're only getting a portion of the java text that is supposed to=20 load. Can anyone help with this? Or is Mac just not supported? I've heard=20 that Mac is going to no longer support explorer at some point. Does this mean that enCore can only be stable on PCs? Any insights would be appreciated... Paul Shovlin Ohio University From djh@dmu.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 04:58:25 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 06 Jan 2005 04:58:25 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCBF45BAD for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 04:58:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D1344D8C; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 04:58:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29303-01-72; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 04:58:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from dmu.ac.uk (motown.dmu.ac.uk [146.227.1.21]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2142939F6; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 04:58:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from vinku.hum.dmu.ac.uk (vinku.hum.dmu.ac.uk [146.227.40.53]) by dmu.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06Av2xP024415; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:57:02 GMT Received: from localhost (djh@localhost) by vinku.hum.dmu.ac.uk (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) with ESMTP id j06Auu10002632; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:56:57 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: vinku.hum.dmu.ac.uk: djh owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:56:56 +0000 (GMT) From: David James Houghton X-X-Sender: djh@vinku.hum.dmu.ac.uk To: Cynthia Haynes Cc: ps138792@ohio.edu, encore Subject: [encore] Re: Macs and browsers...enCore support In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DMU-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-DMU-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: djh@dmu.ac.uk X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1282 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: djh@dmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: djh@dmu.ac.uk List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hiya One small problem with Firefox. MacOS 9 is not supported. booo. -- Dave Houghton djh@dmu.ac.uk System Manager Faculty of Humanities Work Tel. No. 0116 207 8260 Clephan Building, Room 0.07a De Montfort University Leicester LE1 9BH On Wed, 5 Jan 2005, Cynthia Haynes wrote: > You're right that MS is no longer developing IE for Macintosh systems. So, I > switched to Safari for awhile, but it's a bit buggy with enCore (ie it seems > to be sluggish when you first log in, and sometimes it takes several > attempts to get the telnet chat applet side to load). But Firefox works fine > with no problems at all. So, I'd recommend using Firefox. > > Best, > > Cynthia > > __Cynthia Haynes, Director of Rhetoric and Writing___________________ > University of Texas at Dallas cynthiah@utdallas.edu > School of Arts & Humanities http://www.utdallas.edu/~cynthiah > PO Box 830688-JO 31 http://lingua.utdallas.edu:7000 > Richardson, TX 75083-0688 (O)972-883-6340 (F)972-883-2989 > > > > > > > > > From Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Thu Jan 6 05:50:33 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 06 Jan 2005 05:50:34 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB75B5BAD for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 05:50:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7733229CA for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 05:50:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02104-01-92 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 05:50:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 75E9439E9 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 05:50:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from Gilgamesh.accdvm.accd.edu [10.1.11.28] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 05:49:15 CST Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050106053813.01c3bdf0@accdvm.accd.edu> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 05:50:33 -0600 To: ewgoff@comcast.net, From: Lennie Irvin Subject: [encore] Re: Macs and browsers...enCore support In-Reply-To: References: <41D9A51E6F2E8A05A3069B9E@paul-97fa2892aa> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1283 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore So what (besides recommending Mozilla which apparently isn't the best option since Mac OS9 is not supported ...yet) are we to do? Is it only machines with the latest version of Java that are having problems? Is it only Macs running the new Java that have problems? It would be nice to define the problem more exactly. I think there has been some discussion in the enCore Consortium bulletin boards about enCore moving away from java. Maybe I heard wrong? Lennie At 03:59 PM 1/5/2005, Edward Goff wrote: >I've been reading a lot of problems cropping up with encore lately. Reading >this I came to one conclusions and did some research on it. Anyone is >welcome to correct me or offer suggestions. Recently once again M$ and Sun >had it out and java was changed again. I run Linux and Windows, 2k, xp pro & >home, 2k3 server for Operating systems. My browsers are Firefox .8 and IE >6.x. I have friends who have mozilla and Opera and Firefox .6-1.0. I we have >all tested different sites as well a couple of encore sites. For whatever >reason JAVA has changed again I believe. This creates problems with many web >sites as well as encore. Whether this is a fact or just a personal >assumption that is incorrect I do not know. This is why I'm sharing it here >to see if others want to think and notice. > > >Edward Goff >Systems Development >Space Conquest & Shadows Lair >www.spaceconquest.net >www.shadowslair.net From djh@dmu.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 06:43:55 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 06 Jan 2005 06:43:55 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95BD25BAD for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 06:43:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46FDB5830 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 06:43:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05612-01-81 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 06:43:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from dmu.ac.uk (motown.dmu.ac.uk [146.227.1.21]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CF0B35C3 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 06:43:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from vinku.hum.dmu.ac.uk (vinku.hum.dmu.ac.uk [146.227.40.53]) by dmu.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j06CeFNL008883; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:40:15 GMT Received: from localhost (djh@localhost) by vinku.hum.dmu.ac.uk (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) with ESMTP id j06Cdpra002761; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:39:51 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: vinku.hum.dmu.ac.uk: djh owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:39:51 +0000 (GMT) From: David James Houghton X-X-Sender: djh@vinku.hum.dmu.ac.uk To: Lennie Irvin Cc: ewgoff@comcast.net, encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Re: Macs and browsers...enCore support In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20050106053813.01c3bdf0@accdvm.accd.edu> Message-ID: References: <41D9A51E6F2E8A05A3069B9E@paul-97fa2892aa> <6.2.0.14.0.20050106053813.01c3bdf0@accdvm.accd.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DMU-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-DMU-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: djh@dmu.ac.uk X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1284 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: djh@dmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: djh@dmu.ac.uk List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi I'd love to get away from java if at all possible. It creates more problems than it solves and I am never very happy when we must rely on commercial enterprises such as Sun or M$ to do the development work. Open source please. -- Dave Houghton djh@dmu.ac.uk System Manager Faculty of Humanities Work Tel. No. 0116 207 8260 Clephan Building, Room 0.07a De Montfort University Leicester LE1 9BH On Thu, 6 Jan 2005, Lennie Irvin wrote: > So what (besides recommending Mozilla which apparently isn't the best > option since Mac OS9 is not supported ...yet) are we to do? Is it only > machines with the latest version of Java that are having problems? Is it > only Macs running the new Java that have problems? It would be nice to > define the problem more exactly. > > I think there has been some discussion in the enCore Consortium bulletin > boards about enCore moving away from java. Maybe I heard wrong? > > Lennie > > At 03:59 PM 1/5/2005, Edward Goff wrote: > >I've been reading a lot of problems cropping up with encore lately. Reading > >this I came to one conclusions and did some research on it. Anyone is > >welcome to correct me or offer suggestions. Recently once again M$ and Sun > >had it out and java was changed again. I run Linux and Windows, 2k, xp pro & > >home, 2k3 server for Operating systems. My browsers are Firefox .8 and IE > >6.x. I have friends who have mozilla and Opera and Firefox .6-1.0. I we have > >all tested different sites as well a couple of encore sites. For whatever > >reason JAVA has changed again I believe. This creates problems with many web > >sites as well as encore. Whether this is a fact or just a personal > >assumption that is incorrect I do not know. This is why I'm sharing it here > >to see if others want to think and notice. > > > > > >Edward Goff > >Systems Development > >Space Conquest & Shadows Lair > >www.spaceconquest.net > >www.shadowslair.net > > > From jung@uib.no Thu Jan 6 08:06:28 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 06 Jan 2005 08:06:28 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 206855BAD for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:06:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C63E45870 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:06:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12789-01-82 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:06:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from noralf.uib.no (noralf.uib.no [129.177.30.12]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABED339F6 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:06:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from alfred.uib.no (smtp.uib.no) [129.177.30.120] by noralf.uib.no with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CmYHL-00006D-K3; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 15:06:20 +0100 Received: from mac86.sms.uib.no [129.177.213.86] by smtp.uib.no for encore@utdallas.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CmYHL-0006qm-EP; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 15:06:19 +0100 Message-ID: <41DD45DB.5030101@uib.no> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 15:06:19 +0100 From: Daniel Jung User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Re: Macs and browsers...enCore support References: <41D9A51E6F2E8A05A3069B9E@paul-97fa2892aa> <6.2.0.14.0.20050106053813.01c3bdf0@accdvm.accd.edu> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-checked-clean: by exiscan on noralf X-Scanner: aca779a23b20c499a1a458d31dcf311f http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-UiB-SpamFlag: NO UIB: -9.0 hits, 11.0 required X-UiB-SpamReport: spamassassin found; -9.0 -- Message received from UIB X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1285 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jung@uib.no Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jung@uib.no List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore David James Houghton wrote: >Hi > > I'd love to get away from java if at all possible. > Very interesting and challenging thought. I haven't yet seen any thing that could compete though - and I don't think Java is a bad choice at all (it's rather the _implementation_ on different platforms). I have been thinking a little about this issue, getting rid of the applet. The input-part is not so difficult; the $httpd could handle requests with force_input() or though formdata alone. The output is a bit trickier: Maybe the moo could genereate a php page with some flush()-functionality, or a smart update of some kind, so that the user is reliably and immediately notified through web alone. This could constitute a heavy impact on the server though. Weird thinking, but maybe not impossible. >Open source please. > > > Yes to that (IFF not Java). Do you have any suggestions? - Daniel From jung@uib.no Thu Jan 6 12:01:08 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 06 Jan 2005 12:01:09 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA3DF5BAD for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:01:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3AAC5988 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:01:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17633-01-25 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:01:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from noralf.uib.no (noralf.uib.no [129.177.30.12]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1615C3EDE for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:01:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from alfred.uib.no (smtp.uib.no) [129.177.30.120] by noralf.uib.no with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CmbwT-0005j9-9P; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:01:02 +0100 Received: from mac86.sms.uib.no [129.177.213.86] by smtp.uib.no for encore@utdallas.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CmbwT-00005c-1K; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:01:01 +0100 Message-ID: <41DD7CDB.7070300@uib.no> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:00:59 +0100 From: Daniel Jung User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] benchmark Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-checked-clean: by exiscan on noralf X-Scanner: 0bf287b9eea6bebf19deacdffd1a144d http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-UiB-SpamFlag: NO UIB: -9.0 hits, 11.0 required X-UiB-SpamReport: spamassassin found; -9.0 -- Message received from UIB X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1286 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jung@uib.no Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jung@uib.no List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi Has anyone written a benchmark test for MOO, or even enCore? Any type of performance measuring would be interesting. Thanks for any pointers. - Daniel From jung@uib.no Thu Jan 6 12:17:15 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 06 Jan 2005 12:17:15 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F29B5BAD for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:17:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25F2F58A3 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:17:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19480-01-64 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:17:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from noralf.uib.no (noralf.uib.no [129.177.30.12]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D95D39F4 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:17:12 -0600 (CST) Received: from alfred.uib.no (smtp.uib.no) [129.177.30.120] by noralf.uib.no with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CmcC6-0006ZD-TT; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:17:11 +0100 Received: from mac86.sms.uib.no [129.177.213.86] by smtp.uib.no with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CmcC6-00007l-L6; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:17:10 +0100 Message-ID: <41DD80A5.3080402@uib.no> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:17:09 +0100 From: Daniel Jung User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Encore , djg25@psu.edu Subject: [encore] Re: Problems using Encore with browsers other than IE References: <5.2.0.9.2.20041209004037.00ba12e8@email.psu.edu> <5.2.0.9.2.20041209004037.00ba12e8@email.psu.edu> <5.2.0.9.2.20041217220229.01ed70c8@email.psu.edu> <41D6AAB1.7010508@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <41D6AAB1.7010508@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-checked-clean: by exiscan on noralf X-Scanner: 01d8da10ea93d6d08dd21cac45851ccc http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-UiB-SpamFlag: NO UIB: -9.0 hits, 11.0 required X-UiB-SpamReport: spamassassin found; -9.0 -- Message received from UIB X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1287 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jung@uib.no Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jung@uib.no List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Jacques Richer wrote: > I just did a new install of EnCore. The browser based functions don't > work correctly. If I select telnet from the login page, I can login > manually and access the MOO fine. In normal login mode, I get an extra > browser window, and the page sits blank. (All from firefox) IE Doesn't > work either. In short: Has your MOO a name with whitespaces in it? If yes, that might be it--and I hope Deborah Gill will send you the solution; I wrote a long explanation and remedy to her before Christmas, but I don't have the text any more. Good luck, - Daniel From lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Tue Jan 11 15:32:01 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:32:01 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12C505BC5 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:32:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE06E1662 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:32:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05266-01-59 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:31:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 217003EFA for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:31:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from gh-208-300633.accdvm.accd.edu [10.11.36.41] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:29:48 CST Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050111152000.01d92a00@accdvm.accd.edu> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:28:30 -0600 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Lennie Irvin Subject: [encore] enCore Consortium latest Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_25727046==.ALT" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1288 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore --=====================_25727046==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hello Everyone, I have a few announcements about the enCore Consortium which began forming last September. 1--I have moved our enCore Consortium communication site as well as the enCore webpages to its own web space. Here is the new access information enCore Consortium Communication site-- http://www.encore-consortium.org/moodle/ --material and posts from our previous site has been transferred to this new server enCore Consortium home page-- http://www.encore-consortium.org 2-- We have also established an unincorporated non-profit as an organization set up to support the consortium's mission. This non-profit has a Steering Committee and officers: Steering Committee: Daniel Jung, Rhonna J. Robbins-Sponaas, Barbara F. McManus, Lennie Irvin, Cynthia Haynes, Dene Grigar, Jeffrey Schneider Officers: President--Lennie Irvin Treasurer--Barbara McManus Secretary--Dene Grigar The Consortium is really a kind of volunteer army (pardon the analogy...), so your participation in our activities is very much welcome. Having a "governing body" and officers helps make us look official as a non-profit. 3--The Teacher/User Development Task Force has fielded a lot of discussion about development goals/tasks for enCore, and it is in the stage of trying to define and prioritize those goals. I encourage you to look over this Forum inside our communication site and help in this task of finalizing our initial goals. Now is the time to get your two cents in for our first set of goals. 4--We are also starting into the Promotion phase of the consortium where we attempt to expand our membership and work on financial support for the consortium (in the way of grants). Expect to hear more about this promotion phase in the near future, but you can join the consortium simply by registering into the communication site ( http://www.encore-consortium.org/moodle/ ). Also, if any of you know of any grant opportunities or may be in positions where grant support would help your work on enCore, please let us know (post into the forum on enCore Promotion in our communication site or email me). I am looking for some people particularly interested in promoting enCore, so contact me if you would like to get involved with this project-- Lirvin@accd.edu I wish everyone the best for the New Year. I'm sure 2005 will be a good year for enCore. Yours, Lennie (this message was cross-posted to the enCore consortium members, so I apologize if you are getting this post twice) --=====================_25727046==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Hello Everyone,

I have a few announcements about the enCore Consortium which began forming last September.

1--I have moved our enCore Consortium communication site as well as the enCore webpages to its own web space.  Here is the new access information

enCore Consortium Communication site-- http://www.encore-consortium.org/moodle/
--material and posts from our previous site has been transferred to this new server

enCore Consortium home page-- http://www.encore-consortium.org

2-- We have also established an unincorporated non-profit as an organization set up to support the consortium's mission.  This non-profit has a Steering Committee and officers:

Steering Committee: Daniel Jung, Rhonna J. Robbins-Sponaas, Barbara F. McManus, Lennie Irvin, Cynthia Haynes, Dene Grigar, Jeffrey Schneider

Officers:
President--Lennie Irvin
Treasurer--Barbara McManus
Secretary--Dene Grigar

The Consortium is really a kind of volunteer army (pardon the analogy...), so your participation in our activities is very much welcome.  Having a "governing body" and officers helps make us look official as a non-profit.

3--The Teacher/User Development Task Force has fielded a lot of discussion about development goals/tasks for enCore, and it is in the stage of trying to define and prioritize those goals.  I encourage you to look over this Forum inside our communication site and help in this task of finalizing our initial goals.  Now is the time to get your two cents in for our first set of goals.

4--We are also starting into the Promotion phase of the consortium where we attempt to expand our membership and work on financial support for the consortium (in the way of grants).  Expect to hear more about this promotion phase in the near future, but you can join the consortium simply by registering into the communication site ( http://www.encore-consortium.org/moodle/ ).  Also, if any of you know of any grant opportunities or may be in positions where grant support would help your work on enCore, please let us know (post into the forum on enCore Promotion in our communication site or email me). 

I am looking for some people particularly interested in promoting enCore, so contact me if you would like to get involved with this project-- Lirvin@accd.edu


I wish everyone the best for the New Year.  I'm sure 2005 will be a good year for enCore.

Yours,

Lennie

(this message was cross-posted to the enCore consortium members, so I apologize if you are getting this post twice) --=====================_25727046==.ALT-- From wmrowland@earthlink.net Tue Jan 11 16:52:10 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:52:10 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09F355BE9 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:52:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C41BE216E for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:52:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16964-01-53 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:52:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71E8A3F2A for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:50:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from [69.150.179.230] (helo=INDEPENDS0RQGP) by smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CoUqT-0007hQ-2I for encore@utdallas.edu; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:50:37 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=IFGbl2hHxTHQG6wGH7T/eLWkTGeFWg9xm41cQLazSH0twPAe6Ng5y/BODeoWjj+s; Message-ID: <00dc01c4f82f$0e8bf0a0$6401a8c0@INDEPENDS0RQGP> From: "William D. Rowland" To: Subject: [encore] Blank pages and opening in tray. Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:44:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D9_01C4F7FC.C2876950" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-ELNK-Trace: cb001bddce8cb139419b067d67682ccd7e972de0d01da94034fae6037f9b05a0d668c6ab70e9d212350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.150.179.230 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1289 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: wmrowland@earthlink.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: wmrowland@earthlink.net List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D9_01C4F7FC.C2876950 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello to all, It seems to me that a post over the holiday made reference to the = subject I raise here. But I don't find it and apparently it was not = referenced in the subject line. Frequently when logging on using IE 6.0.2800 I first get a blank page = titled "about" and then the MOO page opens in the tray. This seems to = happen both as guest and as a player. Was there a resolution of that question that I missed? Bill Rowland ------=_NextPart_000_00D9_01C4F7FC.C2876950 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello to all,
 
It seems to me that a post over the = holiday made=20 reference to the subject I raise here. But I don't find it and = apparently it was=20 not referenced in the subject line.
 
Frequently when logging on using IE = 6.0.2800 I=20 first get a blank page titled "about" and then the MOO page opens in the = tray.=20 This seems to happen both as guest and as a player.
 
Was there a resolution of that question = that I=20 missed?
 
Bill Rowland
------=_NextPart_000_00D9_01C4F7FC.C2876950-- From jung@uib.no Tue Jan 11 17:05:42 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:05:42 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DCBF5BE9 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:05:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20BF2203B for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:05:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 18543-01-77 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:05:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from noralf.uib.no (noralf.uib.no [129.177.30.12]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD6543EF0 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:04:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from alfred.uib.no (smtp.uib.no) [129.177.30.120] by noralf.uib.no with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CoV3i-0004IK-Dj; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 00:04:19 +0100 Received: from tunnel-44-21.vpn.uib.no [129.177.44.21] by smtp.uib.no for encore@utdallas.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CoV3i-0000Ua-5U; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 00:04:18 +0100 Message-ID: <41E45B75.20803@uib.no> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 00:04:21 +0100 From: Daniel Jung User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Re: Blank pages and opening in tray. References: <00dc01c4f82f$0e8bf0a0$6401a8c0@INDEPENDS0RQGP> In-Reply-To: <00dc01c4f82f$0e8bf0a0$6401a8c0@INDEPENDS0RQGP> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-checked-clean: by exiscan on noralf X-Scanner: 8f5951452ca8af4c5cb94bb02877b248 http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-UiB-SpamFlag: NO UIB: 0.0 hits, 11.0 required X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1290 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jung@uib.no Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jung@uib.no List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore William D. Rowland wrote: > Hello to all, > > It seems to me that a post over the holiday made reference to the subject I raise here. But I don't find it and apparently it was not referenced in the subject line. > > Frequently when logging on using IE 6.0.2800 I first get a blank page titled "about" and then the MOO page opens in the tray. This seems to happen both as guest and as a player. > > Was there a resolution of that question that I missed? Could be that your MOO has a name with whitespaces in it. Is that the case? If yes, there is a known solution (I sent it to Debbie Gill, I don't have it here I think). But does the fact that you state "with IE" imply that other browsers do not behave like that? Please include a link to your MOO - it makes things faster. :) - Daniel From Herbert.Hrachovec@univie.ac.at Wed Jan 12 03:37:33 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 07:39:38 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE4455BB0 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 03:37:32 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1B7548BD for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 03:37:32 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15471-01-48 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 03:37:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from imap.univie.ac.at (mail.univie.ac.at [131.130.1.27]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 462D339E9 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 03:37:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from chello062178000186.1.11.univie.teleweb.at (chello062178000186.1.11.univie.teleweb.at [62.178.0.186]) by imap.univie.ac.at (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0C9b9Mw059318 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:37:14 +0100 Subject: [encore] internet mail problem From: Herbert Hrachovec To: encore@utdallas.edu Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-weX98YYQ+e2Wpqh28SHN" Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:37:19 +0100 Message-Id: <1105522639.3396.23.camel@politeia.philo.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.1 X-DCC-ZID-Univie-Metrics: mx8 4248; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1291 X-Approved-By: cynthiah@utdallas.edu X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Herbert.Hrachovec@univie.ac.at Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Herbert.Hrachovec@univie.ac.at List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore --=-weX98YYQ+e2Wpqh28SHN Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I know it's an old hat, but I cannot send internet mail in my encore 4.0.1 MOO. Network is on, internet mail enabled, the hosts's mail server works normally. When I send mail through the MOO mailer it tells me "successfully sent". Yet, there is no further action, no entry in the system's mailer logs and no mail sent. Is there a debug command that might show me what the problem is? Best regards, h.h. --=-weX98YYQ+e2Wpqh28SHN Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBB5O/PyZGWE31sL/QRAq5tAJ9APXLfhm7HBMWMSqQFU8rvBgqpawCfUxF5 /XQAnOKM1QndZkHB8U+f3q4= =AY/S -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-weX98YYQ+e2Wpqh28SHN-- From tavrmina@msu.edu Wed Jan 12 12:19:41 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:19:41 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A5AA5BC3 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:19:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1E874E22 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:19:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10060-01-93 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:19:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from sys02.mail.msu.edu (sys02.mail.msu.edu [35.9.75.102]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFFF04024 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:03:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from pm795-03.dialip.mich.net ([35.12.21.155] helo=MTT-X200.msu.edu) by sys02.mail.msu.edu with esmtpsa (Exim 4.43 #1) (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) id 1ComqR-0004QF-0S; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:03:51 -0500 Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20050112125953.026eafd8@mail.msu.edu> X-Sender: tavrmina@mail.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:02:25 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Tess Tavormina Subject: [encore] Re: internet mail problem In-Reply-To: <1105522639.3396.23.camel@politeia.philo.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_7860242==.ALT" X-Virus: None found by Clam AV X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1292 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: tavrmina@msu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: tavrmina@msu.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore --=====================_7860242==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I'd be interested in the answer too -- I've encountered the same problem with the 4.0 version (which I'll be upgrading sometime soon). I don't use the MOO mailer much, but the character creation and password messages are something I'm grateful not to send manually, and now and then it's handy to e-mail a recorder log or other material. Looking forward to hearing the answer, Tess Tavormina At 10:37 AM 1/12/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hello, > >I know it's an old hat, but I cannot send internet mail in my encore >4.0.1 MOO. > >Network is on, internet mail enabled, the hosts's mail server works >normally. When I send mail through the MOO mailer it tells me >"successfully sent". Yet, there is no further action, no entry in the >system's mailer logs and no mail sent. > >Is there a debug command that might show me what the problem is? > >Best regards, > >h.h. > --=====================_7860242==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" I'd be interested in the answer too -- I've encountered the same problem with the 4.0 version (which I'll be upgrading sometime soon).  I don't use the MOO mailer much, but the character creation and password messages are something I'm grateful not to send manually, and now and then it's handy to e-mail a recorder log or other material.

Looking forward to hearing the answer,

Tess Tavormina


At 10:37 AM 1/12/2005 +0100, you wrote:
Hello,

I know it's an old hat, but I cannot send internet mail in my encore
4.0.1 MOO.

Network is on, internet mail enabled, the hosts's mail server works
normally. When I send mail through the MOO mailer it tells me
"successfully sent". Yet, there is no further action, no entry in the
system's mailer logs and no mail sent.

Is there a debug command that might show me what the problem is?

Best regards,

h.h.

--=====================_7860242==.ALT-- From lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Wed Jan 12 12:46:25 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:46:25 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 819EB5BC3 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:46:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 468B54F6C for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:46:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15267-01-5 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:46:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 436114180 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:27:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from gh-208-300633.accdvm.accd.edu [10.11.36.41] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:26:03 CST Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050112122335.01d970c0@accdvm.accd.edu> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:24:45 -0600 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Lennie Irvin Subject: [encore] Re: internet mail problem In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20050112125953.026eafd8@mail.msu.edu> References: <1105522639.3396.23.camel@politeia.philo.at> <5.2.1.1.2.20050112125953.026eafd8@mail.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1293 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Let me add my voice to the chorus. I know in Nouspace the mailer doesn't work, though it gives you a message that it does. And I'm pretty sure that Dene has it set up correctly with her mailserver. Lennie At 12:02 PM 1/12/2005, Tess Tavormina wrote: >I'd be interested in the answer too -- I've encountered the same problem >with the 4.0 version (which I'll be upgrading sometime soon). I don't use >the MOO mailer much, but the character creation and password messages are >something I'm grateful not to send manually, and now and then it's handy >to e-mail a recorder log or other material. > >Looking forward to hearing the answer, > >Tess Tavormina > > >At 10:37 AM 1/12/2005 +0100, you wrote: >>Hello, >> >>I know it's an old hat, but I cannot send internet mail in my encore >>4.0.1 MOO. >> >>Network is on, internet mail enabled, the hosts's mail server works >>normally. When I send mail through the MOO mailer it tells me >>"successfully sent". Yet, there is no further action, no entry in the >>system's mailer logs and no mail sent. >> >>Is there a debug command that might show me what the problem is? >> >>Best regards, >> >>h.h. From jung@uib.no Wed Jan 12 12:55:33 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:55:33 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 996AE5BC3 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:55:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB4F4F39 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:55:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15267-01-75 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:55:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from noralf.uib.no (noralf.uib.no [129.177.30.12]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 084E94008 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:36:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from alfred.uib.no (smtp.uib.no) [129.177.30.120] by noralf.uib.no with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ConLl-0005fq-MJ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:36:10 +0100 Received: from tunnel-44-166.vpn.uib.no [129.177.44.166] by smtp.uib.no for encore@utdallas.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ConLl-0006JS-AC; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:36:09 +0100 Message-ID: <41E56E1D.2010606@uib.no> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:36:13 +0100 From: Daniel Jung User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Re: internet mail problem References: <5.2.1.1.2.20050112125953.026eafd8@mail.msu.edu> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20050112125953.026eafd8@mail.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-checked-clean: by exiscan on noralf X-Scanner: a9f6fef35cf83da4a754ad3a15414a1c http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-UiB-SpamFlag: NO UIB: 0.0 hits, 11.0 required X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1294 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jung@uib.no Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jung@uib.no List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi folks > At 10:37 AM 1/12/2005 +0100, you wrote: >> I know it's an old hat, but I cannot send internet mail in my encore >> 4.0.1 MOO. >> >> Network is on, internet mail enabled, the hosts's mail server works >> normally. When I send mail through the MOO mailer it tells me >> "successfully sent". Yet, there is no further action, no entry in the >> system's mailer logs and no mail sent. Did you apply my email sync patch from http://lingo.uib.no/daniel/code/patch_for_sync_and_timestamp.moo ? It provides you with a debugging routine. Follow the instructions in $network:tell_debuggers on how to switch on and off listening on the mail port. Maybe it fixes the problem alltogehter, I don't know. Tess, you wrote you had the same problem. Are you too getting an alert box stating "successfully sent"? -- - WhatQnavry From jung@uib.no Wed Jan 12 13:17:58 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:17:58 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 740815CB7 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:17:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BA014F9C for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:17:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 18153-01-85 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:17:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from noralf.uib.no (noralf.uib.no [129.177.30.12]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 922B94017 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:58:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from alfred.uib.no (smtp.uib.no) [129.177.30.120] by noralf.uib.no with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ConhA-0006hk-M7; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:58:17 +0100 Received: from tunnel-44-166.vpn.uib.no [129.177.44.166] by smtp.uib.no for encore@utdallas.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ConhA-0006Lb-9u; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:58:16 +0100 Message-ID: <41E5734C.3000100@uib.no> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:58:20 +0100 From: Daniel Jung User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Re: internet mail problem References: <1105522639.3396.23.camel@politeia.philo.at> <5.2.1.1.2.20050112125953.026eafd8@mail.msu.edu> <6.2.0.14.0.20050112122335.01d970c0@accdvm.accd.edu> In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20050112122335.01d970c0@accdvm.accd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-checked-clean: by exiscan on noralf X-Scanner: d337ae4a5fa9f777c2ac07325060d6b1 http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-UiB-SpamFlag: NO UIB: 0.0 hits, 11.0 required X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1295 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jung@uib.no Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jung@uib.no List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Lennie Irvin wrote: > Let me add my voice to the chorus. I know in Nouspace the mailer > doesn't work, though it gives you a message that it does. And I'm pretty > sure that Dene has it set up correctly with her mailserver. What does the debugging routine say? "OK" all the way? - Daniel From tavrmina@msu.edu Wed Jan 12 14:21:22 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:21:22 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F03C5BC3 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:21:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 536644FFD for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:21:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27413-01-91 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:21:16 -0600 (CST) Received: from sys35.mail.msu.edu (sys35.mail.msu.edu [35.9.75.135]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2496C43D0 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:01:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from pm853-42.dialip.mich.net ([35.12.25.244] helo=MTT-X200.msu.edu) by sys35.mail.msu.edu with esmtpsa (Exim 4.43 #1) (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) id 1CoogM-0006vo-Kl; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:01:33 -0500 Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20050112150005.01ee5d90@mail.msu.edu> X-Sender: tavrmina@mail.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:01:31 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Tess Tavormina Subject: [encore] Re: internet mail problem In-Reply-To: <41E56E1D.2010606@uib.no> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20050112125953.026eafd8@mail.msu.edu> <5.2.1.1.2.20050112125953.026eafd8@mail.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_14946501==.ALT" X-Virus: None found by Clam AV X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1296 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: tavrmina@msu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: tavrmina@msu.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore --=====================_14946501==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Yup, I get the "successfully sent" message too. I'll try the patch later tonight and report back. Thanks, Daniel! Tess At 07:36 PM 1/12/2005 +0100, Daniel Jung wrote: >Hi folks > >>At 10:37 AM 1/12/2005 +0100, you wrote: >>>I know it's an old hat, but I cannot send internet mail in my encore >>>4.0.1 MOO. >>> >>>Network is on, internet mail enabled, the hosts's mail server works >>>normally. When I send mail through the MOO mailer it tells me >>>"successfully sent". Yet, there is no further action, no entry in the >>>system's mailer logs and no mail sent. > >Did you apply my email sync patch from >http://lingo.uib.no/daniel/code/patch_for_sync_and_timestamp.moo ? It >provides you with a debugging routine. Follow the instructions in >$network:tell_debuggers on how to switch on and off listening on the mail port. > >Maybe it fixes the problem alltogehter, I don't know. > >Tess, you wrote you had the same problem. Are you too getting an alert box >stating "successfully sent"? > >-- >- WhatQnavry > > --=====================_14946501==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Yup, I get the "successfully sent" message too.  I'll try the patch later tonight and report back.

Thanks, Daniel!

Tess

At 07:36 PM 1/12/2005 +0100, Daniel Jung wrote:
Hi folks

At 10:37 AM 1/12/2005 +0100, you wrote:
I know it's an old hat, but I cannot send internet mail in my encore
4.0.1 MOO.

Network is on, internet mail enabled, the hosts's mail server works
normally. When I send mail through the MOO mailer it tells me
"successfully sent". Yet, there is no further action, no entry in the
system's mailer logs and no mail sent.

Did you apply my email sync patch from http://lingo.uib.no/daniel/code/patch_for_sync_and_timestamp.moo ? It provides you with a debugging routine. Follow the instructions in $network:tell_debuggers on how to switch on and off listening on the mail port.

Maybe it fixes the problem alltogehter, I don't know.

Tess, you wrote you had the same problem. Are you too getting an alert box stating "successfully sent"?

--
- WhatQnavry


--=====================_14946501==.ALT-- From tavrmina@msu.edu Thu Jan 13 00:05:05 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 00:05:05 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 057A65BC3 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 00:05:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCBAC49DE for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 00:05:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21034-01-14 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 00:04:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from sys28.mail.msu.edu (sys28.mail.msu.edu [35.9.75.128]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC604415A for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:09:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from pm793-46.dialip.mich.net ([35.12.21.98] helo=MTT-X200.msu.edu) by sys28.mail.msu.edu with esmtpsa (Exim 4.43 #1) (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) id 1CowIb-0004iu-QS for encore@utdallas.edu; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:09:34 -0500 Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20050112224911.00c02578@mail.msu.edu> X-Sender: tavrmina@mail.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:09:29 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Tess Tavormina Subject: [encore] Re: internet mail problem In-Reply-To: <41E56E1D.2010606@uib.no> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20050112125953.026eafd8@mail.msu.edu> <5.2.1.1.2.20050112125953.026eafd8@mail.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_11157613==.ALT" X-Virus: None found by Clam AV X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1297 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: tavrmina@msu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: tavrmina@msu.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore --=====================_11157613==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi, Daniel and all -- I have installed the patch you gave us the link for, and it appears to have gone in smoothly ("0 errors" messages at each stage), and then I typed 'help $network:tell_debuggers' and got the following: ==================================================== Copyright (C) 2004, Daniel Jung. 8 Jul 2004 ==================================================== Let one or more persons follow what is going on when sending mail. You must set both .active to 1 and .debugging to one or more hearing objects (players, recorders, connections) for this to work. Switch it off when done. ==================================================== I'm afraid I got stuck here, since I don't do much programming in my MOO (I have secondary wizard status only because our computer lab doesn't want to put much staff time in on maintaining the MOO). Could you unpack the instructions a little more for me? I also am not sure what you mean (below) by "listening on the mail port." BTW, I did try e-mailing myself a note from within the MOO and also creating an alter ego character, and no e-mail went through from those actions either, though there were confirmation messages on both of them that e-mails had been sent. (And I used to get such e-mails in enCore 3.2-3.4.) Thanks, Tess (AcadeMOO: http://academoo.cl.msu.edu:8000, running enCore 4.0; I use both Netscape and Explorer as browsers for the MOO, with no significant differences). At 07:36 PM 1/12/2005 +0100, Daniel Jung wrote: >Hi folks > >>At 10:37 AM 1/12/2005 +0100, you wrote: >>>I know it's an old hat, but I cannot send internet mail in my encore >>>4.0.1 MOO. >>> >>>Network is on, internet mail enabled, the hosts's mail server works >>>normally. When I send mail through the MOO mailer it tells me >>>"successfully sent". Yet, there is no further action, no entry in the >>>system's mailer logs and no mail sent. > >Did you apply my email sync patch from >http://lingo.uib.no/daniel/code/patch_for_sync_and_timestamp.moo ? It >provides you with a debugging routine. Follow the instructions in >$network:tell_debuggers on how to switch on and off listening on the mail port. > >Maybe it fixes the problem alltogehter, I don't know. > >Tess, you wrote you had the same problem. Are you too getting an alert box >stating "successfully sent"? > >-- >- WhatQnavry > > --=====================_11157613==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Hi, Daniel and all --

I have installed the patch you gave us the link for, and it appears to have gone in smoothly ("0 errors" messages at each stage), and then I typed 'help $network:tell_debuggers' and got the following:

====================================================
 Copyright (C) 2004, Daniel Jung. 8 Jul 2004         
 ====================================================
 Let one or more persons follow what is going on when
 sending mail. You must set both .active to 1 and    
 .debugging to one or more hearing objects (players, 
 recorders, connections) for this to work. Switch it 
 off when done.                                      
 ====================================================

I'm afraid I got stuck here, since I don't do much programming in my MOO (I have secondary wizard status only because our computer lab doesn't want to put much staff time in on maintaining the MOO).  Could you unpack the instructions a little more for me?  I also am not sure what you mean (below) by "listening on the mail port."

BTW, I did try e-mailing myself a note from within the MOO and also creating an alter ego character, and no e-mail went through from those actions either, though there were confirmation messages on both of them that e-mails had been sent.  (And I used to get such e-mails in enCore 3.2-3.4.)

Thanks,

Tess
(AcadeMOO: http://academoo.cl.msu.edu:8000, running enCore 4.0; I use both Netscape and Explorer as browsers for the MOO, with no significant differences).



At 07:36 PM 1/12/2005 +0100, Daniel Jung wrote:
Hi folks

At 10:37 AM 1/12/2005 +0100, you wrote:
I know it's an old hat, but I cannot send internet mail in my encore
4.0.1 MOO.

Network is on, internet mail enabled, the hosts's mail server works
normally. When I send mail through the MOO mailer it tells me
"successfully sent". Yet, there is no further action, no entry in the
system's mailer logs and no mail sent.

Did you apply my email sync patch from http://lingo.uib.no/daniel/code/patch_for_sync_and_timestamp.moo ? It provides you with a debugging routine. Follow the instructions in $network:tell_debuggers on how to switch on and off listening on the mail port.

Maybe it fixes the problem alltogehter, I don't know.

Tess, you wrote you had the same problem. Are you too getting an alert box stating "successfully sent"?

--
- WhatQnavry


--=====================_11157613==.ALT-- From cynthiah@utdallas.edu Thu Jan 13 01:01:58 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:01:58 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from smtp1.utdallas.edu (smtp1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.5]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4118F5BC3 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:01:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (66.169.106.136.ts46v-02.mhe2.ftwrth.tx.charter.com [66.169.106.136]) by smtp1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8111C388D0B; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:01:57 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:04:36 -0600 Subject: [encore] News and thank you's From: Cynthia Haynes To: Lennie Irvin , encore Cc: , , , , , , , , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20041215092305.01f22098@accdvm.accd.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 1298 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: cynthiah@utdallas.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: cynthiah@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi all...and many apologies for not weighing in before now on all the wonderful developments going on with the new enCore Consortium. Lennie, you're absolutely right. Jan wants to maintain a background role, but this doesn't mean he's not interested in what's going on. He has a new job and both of us are EXTREMELY happy to see the consortium moving forward with organization, fund-raising, development ideas and prioritization, MOO promotion, etc etc. For my part I have been overwhelmed with catching up on a book project, which is still very overdue...and astonished at the rapid pace, the volume of ideas, and the progress that the consortium is making. Now that the semester is under way I can scrutinize more closely the development ideas, user/teacher needs, etc., and weigh in on those threads as well. Lennie, Dene, Jan, and I are meeting in Dallas F2F today! So, we're looking forward to this meeting and our respective roles in the consortium in the future. To answer the question about the distinction between the enCore Open Source project and the consortium... I propose we start thinking of this merger as an 'opensortium' (that's a joke...I'm not proposing some new title for the group!) i.e., they are one-in/and-the-same. So...I hope that answers some questions, allays any concerns, and expresses our gratitude for all this enthusiasm, hard work, and inspiring ideas. We are SO happy. Thank you, all of you. And, by the way, if you haven't heard our news..Jan has accepted a position at the IT University in Copenhagen, Denmark (http://www1.itu.dk/sw5249.asp) as lead researcher/assistant professor for a project to develop an open source MMRPG. He will also supervise a team of PhD students in this project. He leaves this weekend to make the move from Texas to Copenhagen. I have been invited to teach for a year, next year, in the same department, Digital Aesthetics and Communication. I will join Jan in July. So, we're looking forward to the coming year, and to helping enCore morph into its next incarnation. One final word tonight...Lingua MOO will be 10 years old on January 25th! Hard to believe! We have had an amazing journey since 1994 when Lingua was conceived. But since her enCore came along in August 1997, even greater things have come our way...we have met and worked with YOU...and our family has grown exponentially. Thank you. And...Happy Birthday, Lingua. Best, Cynthia and Jan __Cynthia Haynes, Director of Rhetoric and Writing___________________ University of Texas at Dallas cynthiah@utdallas.edu School of Arts & Humanities http://www.utdallas.edu/~cynthiah PO Box 830688-JO 31 http://lingua.utdallas.edu:7000 Richardson, TX 75083-0688 (O)972-883-6340 (F)972-883-2989 From jung@uib.no Thu Jan 13 05:36:19 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 05:36:20 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE9935C83 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 05:36:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 609AE549F; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 05:36:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26325-02-88; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 05:36:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from noralf.uib.no (noralf.uib.no [129.177.30.12]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F0F84015; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 05:23:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from alfred.uib.no (smtp.uib.no) [129.177.30.120] by noralf.uib.no with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Cp34w-0000Y6-VC; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:23:51 +0100 Received: from mac86.sms.uib.no [129.177.213.86] by smtp.uib.no with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Cp34w-00029c-Mf; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:23:50 +0100 Message-ID: <41E65A46.8090506@uib.no> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:23:50 +0100 From: Daniel Jung User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cynthiah@utdallas.edu Cc: encore Subject: [encore] Re: News and thank you's References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-checked-clean: by exiscan on noralf X-Scanner: 84f894ce159f6185266e51d420e6a2c5 http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-UiB-SpamFlag: NO UIB: -9.0 hits, 11.0 required X-UiB-SpamReport: spamassassin found; -9.0 -- Message received from UIB X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1299 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jung@uib.no Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jung@uib.no List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi Cynthia Haynes wrote: > And, by the way, if you haven't heard our news..Jan has accepted a position > at the IT University in Copenhagen, Denmark (http://www1.itu.dk/sw5249.asp) > as lead researcher/assistant professor for a project to develop an open > source MMRPG. He will also supervise a team of PhD students in this project. Congratulations! :) And welcome back to Europe! > One final word tonight...Lingua MOO will be 10 years old on January 25th! Congratulations! Happy birthday! - Daniel From jung@uib.no Thu Jan 13 17:03:08 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:03:08 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D2B55BCE for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:03:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA3FD56C2 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:03:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16267-01-26 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:03:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from noralf.uib.no (noralf.uib.no [129.177.30.12]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCE4C4E08 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:19:45 -0600 (CST) Received: from alfred.uib.no (smtp.uib.no) [129.177.30.120] by noralf.uib.no with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CpCNb-0007IF-Ec; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:19:44 +0100 Received: from tunnel-44-224.vpn.uib.no [129.177.44.224] by smtp.uib.no for encore@utdallas.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CpCNZ-0005R3-TM; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:19:43 +0100 Message-ID: <41E6E5F4.2020604@uib.no> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:19:48 +0100 From: Daniel Jung User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Re: internet mail problem References: <5.2.1.1.2.20050112125953.026eafd8@mail.msu.edu> <5.2.1.1.2.20050112125953.026eafd8@mail.msu.edu> <5.2.1.1.2.20050112224911.00c02578@mail.msu.edu> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20050112224911.00c02578@mail.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-checked-clean: by exiscan on noralf X-Scanner: c04e2c7d321e9f07360be46e966c4b9b http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-UiB-SpamFlag: NO UIB: 0.0 hits, 11.0 required X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1300 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jung@uib.no Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jung@uib.no List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi Tess Tavormina wrote: > I have installed the patch you gave us the link for, and it appears to > have gone in smoothly ("0 errors" messages at each stage), and then I > typed 'help $network:tell_debuggers' and got the following: O, I see that this isn't helping very much. You have to do (as a wizard): SHORT ===== @set $network.debugging_active to 1 @set $network.debuggers to {#164} (where #164 is your player number) Send mail (any moo => internet email), and the chat area will tell you what strings are sent where. When you're done, set it back again like this: @set $network.debugging_active to 0 @set $network.debuggers to {} LONG ==== This may seem redundant, but in case there are more debuggers reading, you could easily @set $network.debugging_active to 1 @set $network.debuggers to {#164, #635, #126, #1967} and then just switch it off with @set $network.debugging_active to 1 without touching $network.debuggers, thus without loosing the numbers, but rather keeping them for a later debugging session. Good luck! -- - WhatQnavry From jung@uib.no Thu Jan 13 20:39:48 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:39:48 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 259D15BCE for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:39:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE407575F for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:39:47 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11248-01-83 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:39:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from noralf.uib.no (noralf.uib.no [129.177.30.12]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 272EC35B0 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:39:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from alfred.uib.no (smtp.uib.no) [129.177.30.120] by noralf.uib.no with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CpHNI-0006oL-9Y; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 03:39:45 +0100 Received: from tunnel-44-224.vpn.uib.no [129.177.44.224] by smtp.uib.no for encore@utdallas.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CpHNH-00061R-Ue; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 03:39:44 +0100 Message-ID: <41E730F6.4080603@uib.no> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 03:39:50 +0100 From: Daniel Jung User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Re: internet mail problem References: <5.2.1.1.2.20050112125953.026eafd8@mail.msu.edu> <5.2.1.1.2.20050112125953.026eafd8@mail.msu.edu> <5.2.1.1.2.20050112224911.00c02578@mail.msu.edu> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20050112224911.00c02578@mail.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-checked-clean: by exiscan on noralf X-Scanner: d9556f1b375c7e0ae3ab21c349fee3eb http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-UiB-SpamFlag: NO UIB: 0.0 hits, 11.0 required X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1301 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jung@uib.no Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jung@uib.no List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi Tess and all, As you might have figured, when I wrote @set $network.debuggers to {#164} etc., I obviously meant @set $network.debugging to {#164} Sorry for that (consistent) typo in my last posting. -- - WhatQnavry From tavrmina@msu.edu Mon Jan 17 00:15:03 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; 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Mon, 17 Jan 2005 01:14:59 -0500 Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20050117005412.01fbb008@mail.msu.edu> X-Sender: tavrmina@mail.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 01:04:16 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Tess Tavormina Subject: [encore] Re: internet mail problem In-Reply-To: <41E730F6.4080603@uib.no> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20050112224911.00c02578@mail.msu.edu> <5.2.1.1.2.20050112125953.026eafd8@mail.msu.edu> <5.2.1.1.2.20050112125953.026eafd8@mail.msu.edu> <5.2.1.1.2.20050112224911.00c02578@mail.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_13412115==.ALT" X-Virus: None found by Clam AV X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1302 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: tavrmina@msu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: tavrmina@msu.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore --=====================_13412115==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Well, I've tried the debugging commands, but with no luck -- nothing shows up in the chat area when I click on the postage stamp icon for e-mailing a recorder log, though there's a confirmation message that says the message was sent (and nothing arrives in my internet mailbox). Did anyone else have better success? I tried it in both my working MOO (running enCore 4.0) and a practice MOO I have that is now on enCore 4.0.1, but with no difference in outcomes. This isn't a terribly problematic thing for me, since I don't rely on the moo mail -> internet mail communication system for anything important with my class, but others with greater need may want to follow up. All the best, and thanks again for trying, Daniel - Tess At 03:39 AM 1/14/2005 +0100, Daniel Jung wrote: >Hi Tess and all, > > > >As you might have figured, when I wrote > > @set $network.debuggers to {#164} > >etc., I obviously meant > > @set $network.debugging to {#164} > > >Sorry for that (consistent) typo in my last posting. > > >-- >- WhatQnavry > > --=====================_13412115==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Well, I've tried the debugging commands, but with no luck -- nothing shows up in the chat area when I click on the postage stamp icon for e-mailing a recorder log, though there's a confirmation message that says the message was sent (and nothing arrives in my internet mailbox).  Did anyone else have better success?  I tried it in both my working MOO (running enCore 4.0) and a practice MOO I have that is now on enCore 4.0.1, but with no difference in outcomes.

This isn't a terribly problematic thing for me, since I don't rely on the moo mail -> internet mail communication system for anything important with my class, but others with greater need may want to follow up.

All the best, and thanks again for trying, Daniel -

Tess


At 03:39 AM 1/14/2005 +0100, Daniel Jung wrote:
Hi Tess and all,



As you might have figured, when I wrote

   @set $network.debuggers to {#164}

etc., I obviously meant

   @set $network.debugging to {#164}


Sorry for that (consistent) typo in my last posting.


--
- WhatQnavry


--=====================_13412115==.ALT-- From KEustace@csu.edu.au Mon Jan 17 20:27:18 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:27:18 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E45D5BB0 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:27:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 543AD49B0 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:27:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 18018-01-6 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:27:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from csunb.mit.csu.edu.au (csunb.csu.edu.au [137.166.4.1]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3464435B0 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:26:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from XCWW01.CSUMain.csu.edu.au (xcww01.riv.csu.edu.au [137.166.69.22]) by csunb.mit.csu.edu.au (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0I2QWT7007002; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:26:33 +1100 (EST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C4FD05.257D1638" Subject: [encore] Re: internet mail problem Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:26:41 +1100 Message-ID: <8C2D9A2B9988B342BD8BAABEF0C83DB6BFB64B@xcww01.riv.csu.edu.au> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [encore] Re: internet mail problem Thread-Index: AcT8W/6zQuLj2vUXS06LPnVOZt8YuQAp47rg From: "Eustace, Ken" To: , X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1303 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: KEustace@csu.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-to: KEustace@csu.edu.au List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4FD05.257D1638 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tess, =20 Have you looked further along the network? We had our MOO mail go down in a similar way to this case. =20 I manage several servers inside our university's security matrix. With so much problem lately beyond viruses to spam and spyware, particular SMTP (simple mail transport protocol) hosts are vulnerable. I get regular AusCERT messages advising about vulnerabilities in the SMTP mail servers. =20 To that scenario, out IT division are vigilant and recently made a change without letting us know. The mailhost configuration in the MOO settings (@configure, option 9 Mail server) were using a defunct mail host. A more secure host was now used on another domain name. As a result not only MOO mail went down but also many Web forms using the same mail host domain name went down. As soon as we found out which machine behind our university firewall was the secure mail host, MOO mail and the Web forms worked as soon as we changed the mail server option 9 of @configure in the MOO to the correct site. =20 Perhaps that story may help or continue the mystery. =20 :-) =20 Regards, Ken Eustace Lecturer (Information Systems) Study Group Program Manager (IT) School of Information Studies Charles Sturt University Wagga Wagga NSW 2678 Ph: +61 2 6933 2832 Fax: +61 2 6933 2733=20 Mobile: 0413 363 229 Email: keustace@csu.edu.au Web: farrer.csu.edu.au/~keustace =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu] On Behalf Of Tess Tavormina Sent: Monday, 17 January 2005 5:04 PM To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Re: internet mail problem =20 Well, I've tried the debugging commands, but with no luck -- nothing shows up in the chat area when I click on the postage stamp icon for e-mailing a recorder log, though there's a confirmation message that says the message was sent (and nothing arrives in my internet mailbox). Did anyone else have better success? I tried it in both my working MOO (running enCore 4.0) and a practice MOO I have that is now on enCore 4.0.1, but with no difference in outcomes. This isn't a terribly problematic thing for me, since I don't rely on the moo mail -> internet mail communication system for anything important with my class, but others with greater need may want to follow up. All the best, and thanks again for trying, Daniel - Tess At 03:39 AM 1/14/2005 +0100, Daniel Jung wrote: Hi Tess and all, As you might have figured, when I wrote @set $network.debuggers to {#164} etc., I obviously meant @set $network.debugging to {#164} Sorry for that (consistent) typo in my last posting. --=20 - WhatQnavry ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4FD05.257D1638 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Tess,

 

Have you looked further along the = network? We had our MOO mail go down in a similar way to this = case.

 

I manage several servers inside our university’s security matrix. With so much problem lately beyond = viruses to spam and spyware, particular SMTP (simple mail transport protocol) = hosts are vulnerable. I get regular AusCERT messages advising about = vulnerabilities in the SMTP mail servers.

 

To that scenario, out IT division = are vigilant and recently made a change without letting us know. The = mailhost configuration in the MOO settings (@configure, option 9 Mail server) = were using a defunct mail host. A more secure host was now used on another domain = name. As a result not only MOO mail went down but also many Web forms using the = same mail host domain name went down. As soon as we found out which machine = behind our university firewall was the secure mail host, MOO mail and the Web = forms worked as soon as we changed the mail server option 9 of @configure in = the MOO to the correct site.

 

Perhaps that story may help or = continue the mystery.

 

J

 

Regards,
Ken = Eustace

Lecturer (Information = Systems)

Study Group Program Manager = (IT)

School of Information= Studies
Charles = Sturt = University

Wagga Wagga NSW = 2678

Ph:  +61 2 6933 = 2832   Fax: +61 2 6933 2733

Mobile: 0413 363 229
Email: keustace@csu.edu.au=
Web: farrer.csu.edu.au/~keustace

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: = encore-bounce@utdallas.edu [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu] On Behalf Of Tess Tavormina
Sent: Monday, 17 January = 2005 5:04 PM
To: = encore@utdallas.edu
Subject: [encore] Re: = internet mail problem

 

Well, I've = tried the debugging commands, but with no luck -- nothing shows up in the chat = area when I click on the postage stamp icon for e-mailing a recorder log, though = there's a confirmation message that says the message was sent (and nothing = arrives in my internet mailbox).  Did anyone else have better success?  I = tried it in both my working MOO (running enCore 4.0) and a practice MOO I have = that is now on enCore 4.0.1, but with no difference in outcomes.

This isn't a terribly problematic thing for me, since I don't rely on = the moo mail -> internet mail communication system for anything important = with my class, but others with greater need may want to follow up.

All the best, and thanks again for trying, Daniel -

Tess


At 03:39 AM 1/14/2005 +0100, Daniel Jung wrote:

Hi Tess and all,



As you might have figured, when I wrote

   @set $network.debuggers to {#164}

etc., I obviously meant

   @set $network.debugging to {#164}


Sorry for that (consistent) typo in my last posting.


--
- WhatQnavry

------_=_NextPart_001_01C4FD05.257D1638-- From Herbert.Hrachovec@univie.ac.at Tue Jan 18 01:01:51 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 18 Jan 2005 01:02:53 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64B865BB0 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 01:01:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28AC72318 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 01:01:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24167-01-17 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 01:01:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from imap.univie.ac.at (mail.univie.ac.at [131.130.1.27]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3ED839F4 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 01:01:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from chello062178000186.1.11.univie.teleweb.at (chello062178000186.1.11.univie.teleweb.at [62.178.0.186]) by imap.univie.ac.at (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0I70eXK313860; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:00:44 +0100 Subject: [encore] Re: internet mail problem From: Herbert Hrachovec To: KEustace@csu.edu.au Cc: tavrmina@msu.edu, encore@utdallas.edu In-Reply-To: <8C2D9A2B9988B342BD8BAABEF0C83DB6BFB64B@xcww01.riv.csu.edu.au> References: <8C2D9A2B9988B342BD8BAABEF0C83DB6BFB64B@xcww01.riv.csu.edu.au> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-06uMfJDDA8rlhe+bH3nc" Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:00:36 +0100 Message-Id: <1106031637.6599.3.camel@politeia.philo.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.1 X-DCC-ZID-Univie-Metrics: mx7.univie.ac.at 4248; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1304 X-Approved-By: cynthiah@utdallas.edu X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Herbert.Hrachovec@univie.ac.at Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Herbert.Hrachovec@univie.ac.at List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore --=-06uMfJDDA8rlhe+bH3nc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am Dienstag, den 18.01.2005, 13:26 +1100 schrieb Eustace, Ken: > Have you looked further along the network? We had our MOO mail go down > in a similar way to this case. > As soon as we found out which machine behind our university firewall > was the secure mail host, MOO mail and the Web forms worked as soon as > we changed the mail server option 9 of @configure in the MOO to the > correct site. This is, unfortunately, not the solution in my case. There is a mail server running correctly on the same machine the MOO is installed on. h.h. =20 --=20 Herbert Hrachovec Philosophie und Bildungswissenschaft, Universit=E4t Wien http://hrachovec.philo.at --=-06uMfJDDA8rlhe+bH3nc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBB7LQUyZGWE31sL/QRAv+tAJ4vIAPjW5a6cVjogRfloMMwAET7xQCggJ4/ 7OO21+ep5411iizqu3kErN8= =JdCW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-06uMfJDDA8rlhe+bH3nc-- From bmcman@optonline.net Thu Jan 20 15:57:19 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:57:19 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E0DB5BAD for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:57:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E5EC1CD8 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:57:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20796-01-71 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:57:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.70]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D8D73EF4 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:55:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from optonline.net (ool-44c66926.dyn.optonline.net [68.198.105.38]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IAM001NAY8SW2@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for encore@utdallas.edu; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:55:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:55:43 -0500 From: "Barbara F. McManus" Subject: [encore] can a wizard add prepositions? To: encore@utdallas.edu Message-id: <41F028DF.3060805@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1305 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: bmcman@optonline.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: bmcman@optonline.net List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore One of my teachers in the VRoma MOO wants me to make some Latin verbs for him, but all the Latin prepositions (except "in") are not recognized by the MOO. How do I add prepositions to those already recognized by the command-line parser? This is probably a list attached to some object buried somewhere in the code, but I don't know how to find it. Any help would be appreciated! Barbara -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Barbara F. McManus, Professor of Classics Emerita The College of New Rochelle, New Rochelle, NY 10805 Co-Director, The VRoma Project or http://www.cnr.edu/home/bmcmanus/ http://www.vroma.org/~bmcmanus/ From alexborgia@hotmail.com Thu Jan 20 17:39:09 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:39:09 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FF435BF3 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:39:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9D7D297E for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:39:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07013-01-49 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:39:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay13-dav11.bay13.hotmail.com [64.4.31.185]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F2E53EDD for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:39:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:39:01 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 66.36.130.67 by BAY13-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 23:38:48 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [66.36.130.67] X-Originating-Email: [alexborgia@hotmail.com] X-Sender: alexborgia@hotmail.com From: "Alexandre Borgia" To: Subject: [encore] Re: can a wizard add prepositions? Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:39:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcT/PAKaWgC2jlHKTEyOp3GyHyzwbAAC+oGw In-Reply-To: <41F028DF.3060805@optonline.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jan 2005 23:39:01.0210 (UTC) FILETIME=[381963A0:01C4FF49] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1306 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: alexborgia@hotmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: alexborgia@hotmail.com List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi Barbara, The preposition list is built into the server, meaning that you have to recompile the MOO program in order to add new ones. The list is found in the "db_verbs.c" source file and looks like this: static const char *prep_list[] = { "with/using", ... "off/off of", }; There is no problem adding new prepositions at the end of this list, in fact it is a commonly done for non-english MOOs :) - Alexandre Borgia -----Original Message----- From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu] On Behalf Of Barbara F. McManus Sent: jeudi 20 janvier 2005 16:56 To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] can a wizard add prepositions? One of my teachers in the VRoma MOO wants me to make some Latin verbs for him, but all the Latin prepositions (except "in") are not recognized by the MOO. How do I add prepositions to those already recognized by the command-line parser? This is probably a list attached to some object buried somewhere in the code, but I don't know how to find it. Any help would be appreciated! Barbara -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Barbara F. McManus, Professor of Classics Emerita The College of New Rochelle, New Rochelle, NY 10805 Co-Director, The VRoma Project or http://www.cnr.edu/home/bmcmanus/ http://www.vroma.org/~bmcmanus/ From kris.olson.au@gmail.com Sat Jan 22 18:43:44 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:43:44 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6175A5BAD for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:43:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 139F61C72 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:43:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02078-01-17 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:43:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.203]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F591358F for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:43:41 -0600 (CST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c16so213717rne for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:43:41 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=d8fKaufikD+IB+R8XIdz5rVexieMf88gd1WxETaf+WUbPEpjl8tuesdpDRb0D3DrRHWVbcXDkyjwWzcYpdsDkVDO4t7FlhxKZCKyI9YJ6O1sXwfhIYLpzZDvbGsBla1km68ulsdhHxGjez12zszeodR6PbXsEGKZLlcEX2vNsqs= Received: by 10.38.149.3 with SMTP id w3mr286620rnd; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:43:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.125.17 with HTTP; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:43:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3dce001b0501221643b08552e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 08:43:41 +0800 From: Kris Olson To: ps138792@ohio.edu Subject: [encore] Re: Macs and browsers...enCore support Cc: encore@utdallas.edu In-Reply-To: <41D9A51E6F2E8A05A3069B9E@paul-97fa2892aa> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <41D9A51E6F2E8A05A3069B9E@paul-97fa2892aa> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1307 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: kris.olson.au@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: kris.olson.au@gmail.com List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore We have had success with Mac using Safari. We needed to copy the style sheet to each Mac and tell safari to use that style sheet. If you need more info, email me at work (kris.olson@det.wa.edu) after Thursday (that is the day we go back to work) and I will try to give you more specific directions. We are using Panther (OS 10.4 - I think). Kris Olson On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 12:16:05 -0500, Paul Shovlin wrote: > Hey Folks, > We're having some problems getting everything working on our client-side > computers. Does anyone know of any Mac issues with enCore? We have at least > one Mac which flat out refuses to work with the MOO. Usually, it seems to > be the left hand side of the screen...it's often blank or we cannot enter > input in the text box. We've repeatedly checked and Java is enabled (IE). > On other Macs, MOO will will not work unless we try opening it a few times. > When we try other Mac browsers, Safari, for example, it all seems to open > up, but we're only getting a portion of the java text that is supposed to > load. Can anyone help with this? Or is Mac just not supported? I've heard > that Mac is going to no longer support explorer at some point. Does this > mean that enCore can only be stable on PCs? > Any insights would be appreciated... > > Paul Shovlin > Ohio University > > -- Kris Olson Geraldton Senior College Head of Business and Computing Area 61-8-9965-8443 (W) 61-8-9965-0317 (H) From Lisa.Mentz@pepperdine.edu Mon Jan 24 16:31:28 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:31:29 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5F2C5CD9 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:31:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68F534F8F for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:31:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28055-01-71 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:31:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from mercury.pepperdine.edu (mercury.pepperdine.edu [137.159.8.35]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DBAE3EEB for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:31:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from mal-xconn1.pepperdine.edu (mal-xconn1.pepperdine.edu [137.159.8.42]) by mercury.pepperdine.edu (Pep-6.40o) with ESMTP id OAA27496 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:30:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by mal-xconn1.pepperdine.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:30:00 -0800 Message-ID: <6FFDE0E08F13D311A6260008C7916D0E011E0924@mal-xsmail4.pepperdine.edu> From: "Mentz, Lisa (student)" To: "'encore@utdallas.edu'" Subject: [encore] Database Weird Behavior Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:29:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1308 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Lisa.Mentz@pepperdine.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Lisa.Mentz@pepperdine.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hello all, I've been building my moo and everthing was going fine until this morning. I did some building and editing last night. Both my .db and .db.new file are from last night. However, the actual content of the database seems to be old (in that a lot of the stuff I built is missing). I shut down and restarted my moo this morning and can't remember if there were issues before then. If anyone has encountered this before, please let me know how you fixed it. I'll tinker with it more tonight. Thanks! Lisa Mentz From Lisa.Mentz@pepperdine.edu Sat Jan 29 20:04:09 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Sat, 29 Jan 2005 20:04:10 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A42785BB0 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 20:04:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 598C01F09 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 20:04:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28390-01-69 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 20:04:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from mercury.pepperdine.edu (mercury.pepperdine.edu [137.159.8.35]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F63434CC for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 20:04:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from mal-xconn1.pepperdine.edu (mal-xconn1.pepperdine.edu [137.159.8.42]) by mercury.pepperdine.edu (Pep-6.40o) with ESMTP id SAA09782 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:03:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by mal-xconn1.pepperdine.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:03:57 -0800 Received: from DRCASE ([67.170.132.173]) by mal-xconn2.pepperdine.edu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id DHGKBF86; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:03:53 -0800 From: "Mentz, Lisa (student)" To: encore@utdallas.edu Message-ID: <001901c5066f$f746dc80$0600a8c0@DRCASE> Subject: [encore] Restart Script Problem (formerly weird database behavior) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:03:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01C5062C.E83089F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1309 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Lisa.Mentz@pepperdine.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Lisa.Mentz@pepperdine.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C5062C.E83089F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lennie responded to my earlier request about the issue with my database overwriting itself and described my issue exactly. He said it was an issue with the restart script. Can anyone tell me how to fix the = restart script (or have a restart script that works) when running my MOO on a linux server? Our discussion is below: =20 >>At 04:29 PM 1/24/2005, you wrote: >>>Hello all, >>> >>>I've been building my moo and everthing was going fine until this morning. I >>>did some building and editing last night. Both my .db and .db.new file are >>>from last night. However, the actual content of the database seems = to be old >>>(in that a lot of the stuff I built is missing). I shut down and restarted >>>my moo this morning and can't remember if there were issues before then. If >>>anyone has encountered this before, please let me know how you fixed it. >>>I'll tinker with it more tonight. >>> >>>Thanks! >>>Lisa Mentz =20 > >>Hi Lisa, >> I don't think it is complicated, but it all has to do with what the moo does when it shuts down and then restarts. If you look in=20 >>your encore moo folder, you will see you have three copies of the=20 >>database--db. newdb. and olddb. What may be happening is upon reboot the=20 >>old db is being overwritten onto the current db, hence the loss of data. >> >> >>What you need is the correct scripts to handle the databases = correctly on=20 >>shutdown and reboot. Others like Daniel Jung are better able to help you. >> >>Good luck! >> >>Lennie >> Hi Lennie, > >This seems exactly like what you described! I have my moo hosted at=20 >genesismuds, which has red hat linux servers. For the longest time I=20 >couldn't get the restart script to work and was doing the restart manually=20 >(using the nohup ./moo etc etc command). I finally figured out that I=20 >didn't have execute permission and ones I checked that property, I was able >to recently start using the ./restart command (although I still don't=20 >think the compress command runs). >Much thanks for your reply! ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C5062C.E83089F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Lennie responded to my earlier request = about the=20 issue with my database overwriting itself and described my issue = exactly. He=20 said it was an issue with the restart script. Can anyone tell me how to = fix the=20 restart script (or have a restart script that works) when running my = MOO on a=20 linux server?  Our discussion is below:
 
>>At 04:29 PM 1/24/2005, you wrote:
>>>Hello=20 all,
>>>
>>>I've been building my moo and = everthing was=20 going fine until this morning. I
>>>did some building and = editing=20 last night. Both my .db and .db.new file are
>>>from last = night.=20 However, the actual content of the database seems to be = old
>>>(in=20 that a lot of the stuff I built is missing). I shut down and=20 restarted
>>>my moo this morning and can't remember if = there were=20 issues before then. If
>>>anyone has encountered this = before, please=20 let me know how you fixed it.
>>>I'll tinker with it more=20 tonight.
>>>
>>>Thanks!
>>>Lisa = Mentz
 
>
>>Hi Lisa,
>>
  I don't think it is = complicated, but it all has to do with what the moo does when it shuts = down and=20 then restarts.  If you look in
>>your encore moo folder, = you will=20 see you have three copies of the
>>database--db. newdb. and=20 olddb.  What may be happening is upon reboot the
>>old = db is=20 being overwritten onto the current db, hence the loss of=20 data.
>>
>>
>>What you need is the correct = scripts to=20 handle the databases correctly on
>>shutdown and = reboot.  Others=20 like Daniel Jung are better able to help = you.
>>
>>Good=20 luck!
>>
>>Lennie
>>

Hi=20 Lennie,
>
>This seems exactly like what you = described!  I have=20 my moo hosted at
>genesismuds, which has red hat linux servers. = For the=20 longest time I
>couldn't get the restart script to work and was = doing the=20 restart manually
>(using the nohup ./moo etc etc command). I = finally=20 figured out that I
>didn't have execute permission and ones I = checked=20 that property, I was able
>to recently start using the ./restart = command=20 (although I still don't
>think the compress command runs). = >Much=20 thanks for your reply!

------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C5062C.E83089F0-- From guido@tumsuden.de Mon Jan 31 11:36:34 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:02:08 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 162555BAD for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:36:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA90726F3 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:36:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15508-01-96 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:36:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from service.seeyou.de (miranda.seeyou.de [195.90.8.6]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02AEF41F4 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:27:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by service.seeyou.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3E02C0D6 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:26:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from service.seeyou.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (miranda [127.0.0.1:10024]) (amavisd-new) with ESMTP id 24813-10 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:26:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.0.0.172] (c-134-92-202.hh.dial.de.ignite.net [62.134.92.202]) by service.seeyou.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6DD4C0CF for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:26:49 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <529AEC61-73AD-11D9-8FA5-003065F6EF84@tumsuden.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Encore Mailinglist From: Guido tum Suden Subject: [encore] Introduction Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:27:03 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at service.seeyou.de X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 tagged_above=1.0 required=8.0 tests=BAYES_44, WEIRD_PORT X-Spam-Level: * X-archive-position: 1310 X-Approved-By: cynthiah@utdallas.edu X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: guido@tumsuden.de Precedence: bulk Reply-to: guido@tumsuden.de List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi, I'd like to introduce myself to the list. My name is Guido tum Suden and I just began a MOO at http://gorgias.philo.at:7007/ thanks to Herbert Hrachovec who set up and hosts the MOO. I'm a teacher for music and new technologies (working with computers) at this school http://www.schulzentrum-bederkesa.de/ also creating that very website with a few pupils since october. By now some questions concerning Encore and also MOO Programming accumulated. I'll ask them in single mails. Thanks in advance Guido From guido@tumsuden.de Mon Jan 31 11:41:05 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:02:29 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DF8A5BAD for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:41:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 251ED26F3 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:41:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19302-01-37 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:40:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from service.seeyou.de (miranda.seeyou.de [195.90.8.6]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15E1D43F7 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:30:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by service.seeyou.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55173C0E7 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:30:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from service.seeyou.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (miranda [127.0.0.1:10024]) (amavisd-new) with ESMTP id 25171-06 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:30:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.0.0.172] (c-134-92-168.hh.dial.de.ignite.net [62.134.92.168]) by service.seeyou.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D88F1C0CF for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:30:06 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Encore Mailinglist From: Guido tum Suden Subject: [encore] Where is detail? Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:30:21 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at service.seeyou.de X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1311 X-Approved-By: cynthiah@utdallas.edu X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: guido@tumsuden.de Precedence: bulk Reply-to: guido@tumsuden.de List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Reading some tutorials, I found that one of the most interesting features of LambdaMOO is the command @detail. Unfortunately I couldn't find it in Encore. Where is it? Can I get it back? Guido From guido@tumsuden.de Mon Jan 31 13:05:15 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:05:15 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E0405BAD for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:05:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FE2F29DE for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:05:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00346-01-100 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:05:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from service.seeyou.de (miranda.seeyou.de [195.90.8.6]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A7A93EF5 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:47:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by service.seeyou.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E663C0D2 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:47:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from service.seeyou.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (miranda [127.0.0.1:10024]) (amavisd-new) with ESMTP id 30580-01 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:47:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.0.0.172] (c-134-93-104.hh.dial.de.ignite.net [62.134.93.104]) by service.seeyou.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07542C0CA for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:47:01 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <831C83F7-73B8-11D9-96F0-003065F6EF84@tumsuden.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Encore Mailinglist From: Guido tum Suden Subject: [encore] Setting back settings Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:47:09 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at service.seeyou.de X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1312 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: guido@tumsuden.de Precedence: bulk Reply-to: guido@tumsuden.de List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore I would like to write simple quests for my players. After the duck tutorial I can even imagine how. But say the player needs and changes some objects while questing. How can I set back everything quest related to its original state or position? Guido From guido@tumsuden.de Mon Jan 31 12:04:09 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:06:43 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D79EF5BAD for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:04:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B4C12A3C for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:04:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22510-01-47 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:04:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from service.seeyou.de (miranda.seeyou.de [195.90.8.6]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94A50407F for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:50:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by service.seeyou.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB584C0D2 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:50:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from service.seeyou.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (miranda [127.0.0.1:10024]) (amavisd-new) with ESMTP id 26431-08 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:50:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.0.0.172] (c-134-92-176.hh.dial.de.ignite.net [62.134.92.176]) by service.seeyou.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D8B1C0D6 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:50:09 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <9302B552-73B0-11D9-8FA5-003065F6EF84@tumsuden.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Encore Mailinglist From: Guido tum Suden Subject: [encore] Special descriptions Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:50:20 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at service.seeyou.de X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1313 X-Approved-By: cynthiah@utdallas.edu X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: guido@tumsuden.de Precedence: bulk Reply-to: guido@tumsuden.de List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore I just did the duck tutorial. At one time you add a string to the description of the duck, so it looks different in certain situations. I don't get this to work and anyway if I did, would the new text be seen on the right side in Xpress? Guido From guido@tumsuden.de Mon Jan 31 12:11:05 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:06:45 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8AE35BAD for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:11:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF5CA28D4 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:11:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23484-01-55 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:10:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from service.seeyou.de (miranda.seeyou.de [195.90.8.6]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B76FD3FA5 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:57:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by service.seeyou.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82061C0D6 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:57:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from service.seeyou.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (miranda [127.0.0.1:10024]) (amavisd-new) with ESMTP id 27154-02 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:57:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.0.0.172] (c-134-92-74.hh.dial.de.ignite.net [62.134.92.74]) by service.seeyou.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30239C0D1 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:57:32 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <9D31DBB2-73B1-11D9-8FA5-003065F6EF84@tumsuden.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Encore Mailinglist From: Guido tum Suden Subject: [encore] Changing verbs Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:57:46 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at service.seeyou.de X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1314 X-Approved-By: cynthiah@utdallas.edu X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: guido@tumsuden.de Precedence: bulk Reply-to: guido@tumsuden.de List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore I try to change my MOO to german bit by bit (maybe someone did that already and I could get some help?) Is it "dangerous" to simply change some words in the core verbs? Something like "You can't go that way" using Xpress? "Dangerous" because I tried to program a bot with Xpress. What happened is that even if I took one of the original properties and saved it without changing anything I got an error while talking to the bot. I had to program it the old-fashioned way, which worked well. Guido From guido@tumsuden.de Mon Jan 31 12:23:22 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:07:04 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10F2F5BAD for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:23:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A86C32B58 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:23:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26363-01-34 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:23:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from service.seeyou.de (miranda.seeyou.de [195.90.8.6]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DFAE41C3 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:07:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by service.seeyou.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BCECC0DD for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:07:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from service.seeyou.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (miranda [127.0.0.1:10024]) (amavisd-new) with ESMTP id 27889-03 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:07:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.0.0.172] (c-134-92-174.hh.dial.de.ignite.net [62.134.92.174]) by service.seeyou.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2F76C0D1 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:07:43 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <0AD5E3D2-73B3-11D9-8FA5-003065F6EF84@tumsuden.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Encore Mailinglist From: Guido tum Suden Subject: [encore] Where are the Encore words? Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:08:00 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at service.seeyou.de X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1315 X-Approved-By: cynthiah@utdallas.edu X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: guido@tumsuden.de Precedence: bulk Reply-to: guido@tumsuden.de List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore If you use Xpress and go to another room the telnet side shows "You view..." Where can I find that message to translate it? And anyway, is there a possibility to change to have the telnet side work as if you didn't use Xpress while still having the Xpress side? I know, all the descriptions would be shown twice, but I get the feeling the Xpress side doesn't always show everything. Honestly, what I'd like most at the moment is just to have Xpress with nothing but the telnet part and the windows that appear when you click a button. Is that possible? OTOH I might one day use the possibilities of pictures and sounds. Guido From guido@tumsuden.de Mon Jan 31 12:34:43 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:07:05 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD66E5BAD for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:34:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E9691F5C for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:34:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26363-01-75 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:34:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from service.seeyou.de (miranda.seeyou.de [195.90.8.6]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52A5E418D for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:17:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by service.seeyou.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76977C0E9 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:17:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from service.seeyou.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (miranda [127.0.0.1:10024]) (amavisd-new) with ESMTP id 28425-07 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:17:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.0.0.172] (c-134-93-120.hh.dial.de.ignite.net [62.134.93.120]) by service.seeyou.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB019C0D2 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:17:31 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <69514DDE-73B4-11D9-8FA5-003065F6EF84@tumsuden.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Encore Mailinglist From: Guido tum Suden Subject: [encore] Xpress side not starting Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:17:48 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at service.seeyou.de X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1316 X-Approved-By: cynthiah@utdallas.edu X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: guido@tumsuden.de Precedence: bulk Reply-to: guido@tumsuden.de List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore I heard this on this list just a few days ago by someone relating to Safari. But I heard the same phenomenon happend to some pc users and I have that problem using either Safari, Mozilla or IE. I even heard of people giving up trying because it wouldn't work anyway. You maybe know pupils. If it doesn't work the first time, it never will. So, what can be done about that problem? (About Safari using a special CSS to make the telnet side work: I don't think that's a solution. Safari has no problems with accurate CSS AFAIK, so maybe Encore...?) Guido From alexborgia@hotmail.com Mon Jan 31 15:06:14 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:06:14 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CA795BAD for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:06:14 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id F23802CF5 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:06:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21161-01-82 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:06:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay13-dav10.bay13.hotmail.com [64.4.31.184]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A36541ED for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:47:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:47:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 216.209.204.82 by BAY13-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:46:27 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.209.204.82] X-Originating-Email: [alexborgia@hotmail.com] X-Sender: alexborgia@hotmail.com From: "Alexandre Borgia" To: Subject: [encore] Re: Changing verbs & Where is detail Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:46:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUHyA1si0KA501TRlaMyJlTKS8LJQABpwgg In-Reply-To: <9D31DBB2-73B1-11D9-8FA5-003065F6EF84@tumsuden.de> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2005 20:47:00.0863 (UTC) FILETIME=[033CA8F0:01C507D6] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1317 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: alexborgia@hotmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: alexborgia@hotmail.com List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi Guido, and welcome to the enCore mailing-list! Wow, lots of questions :) I can help answering the most obvious right now: The "@detail" command is not part of the generic room object in LambdaMOO/enCore but it is a common addition found in a lot of MOOs. You should have no problem finding its source code and porting it to your MOO. The easiest way to do this is to find a MOO that has such a room and @dump the code (this kind of object is usually public). Minor tweaks may have to be performed so it takes advantage of the web interface (for instance, highlighting details with hyperlinks in the object description would be neat :) As for: > Is it "dangerous" to simply change some words in the core verbs? > Something like "You can't go that way" > using Xpress? I run a translated MOO (French language) and we never had any problem that I recall translating core verbs. The biggest challenge is to keep coherent syntax & grammar for sentences that are built programmatically based on English rules (i.e. translating prepositions [at, into, for ...], numbering [first, second, third ...]). Good luck with it! - Alexandre Borgia From ewgoff@comcast.net Mon Jan 31 18:26:03 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:10:31 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2C0D5D91 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:26:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63E2D1E63 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:26:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21316-01-17 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:26:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B5253487 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:26:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from master (pcp0011330045pcs.elictc01.md.comcast.net[69.250.72.190]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005020100253901200gmdc7e>; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 00:25:39 +0000 From: "Edward Goff" To: "Encore" Subject: [encore] Re: Changing verbs & Where is detail Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:22:02 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1318 X-Approved-By: cynthiah@utdallas.edu X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: ewgoff@comcast.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: ewgoff@comcast.net List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore You should have no problem finding its source code and porting it to your MOO. While moo is open source it is common courtesy to ask the owner of said object if they mind you sharing it AND a lot of people will E_PERM there verbs for just that reason. Sometimes they E_PERM only one or two verbs so your object ports but never works. From alexborgia@hotmail.com Mon Jan 31 20:32:03 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:32:03 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AD0D5CA0 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:32:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06C561EAB for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:32:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02242-01-42 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:32:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay13-dav4.bay13.hotmail.com [64.4.31.178]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65CDD3485 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:32:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:32:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 66.36.136.8 by BAY13-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 02:31:36 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [66.36.136.8] X-Originating-Email: [alexborgia@hotmail.com] X-Sender: alexborgia@hotmail.com From: "Alexandre Borgia" To: Subject: [encore] Re: Changing verbs & Where is detail Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:31:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcUH+t67Zl/Mo3p6TFq4tfI9RSExbQABVeSwAAF2hIA= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2005 02:32:00.0438 (UTC) FILETIME=[35252560:01C50806] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1319 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: alexborgia@hotmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: alexborgia@hotmail.com List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Greetings, Asking author permission before copying any code goes without saying, but such common objects as this room (which after a quick search is named the "generic all-in-one room") are so frequently found and distributed among MOOs that authors would be hard to keep track of. This is what I referred as being "public domain". A quick glance at Google shows this room is used in an enormous amount of MOOs and tutorials, and I remember it being around for probably over a decade. The same goes with a lot of "feature objects" and other curiosities that are sometime distributed or not with the database depending on the MOO flavour. That being said, I otherwise totally support your point! Even if nothing has been done to prohibit copying the code, it is quite gratifying to know what your objects are used for and where :) - Alexandre Borgia -----Original Message----- From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu] On Behalf Of Edward Goff Sent: lundi 31 janvier 2005 19:22 To: Encore Subject: [encore] Re: Changing verbs & Where is detail You should have no problem finding its source code and porting it to your MOO. While moo is open source it is common courtesy to ask the owner of said object if they mind you sharing it AND a lot of people will E_PERM there verbs for just that reason. Sometimes they E_PERM only one or two verbs so your object ports but never works. From alexborgia@hotmail.com Mon Jan 31 21:05:04 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:05:05 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 570D15DED for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:05:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09EF0203F for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:05:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06549-01-50 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:05:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay13-dav3.bay13.hotmail.com [64.4.31.177]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 880C23559 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:05:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:05:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 66.36.136.8 by BAY13-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 03:04:52 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [66.36.136.8] X-Originating-Email: [alexborgia@hotmail.com] X-Sender: alexborgia@hotmail.com From: "Alexandre Borgia" To: Subject: [encore] Re: descriptions, XPress view, etc. Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:04:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <9302B552-73B0-11D9-8FA5-003065F6EF84@tumsuden.de> Thread-Index: AcUHyA4Fm95cqmNTT2O3eujko4dNlAAPdokA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2005 03:05:00.0581 (UTC) FILETIME=[D166FD50:01C5080A] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1320 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: alexborgia@hotmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: alexborgia@hotmail.com List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi again Guido :) I just had time read the other part of your requests. Since the tutorials you are following about MOO programming are made for conventional text-only MOOs and you seem confused about where messages go (text pane vs. web pane), I suggest you play with them using a normal telnet client (or the plain mootcan applet) so you get a better feeling of what it should look like. Once you get a grip on the basic notification mechanisms (verbs like notify, tell, announce, look_self, description, etc.) it should be easier to see where the web interface comes in play. You could then have the look at the $encore_web_object, particularly its "description" and "_html" verbs. In enCore, all generic instances are children of this object, and the decision to display the description text-side or web-side is made there. Basically, the HTML page for an object is generated by its "_html" verb, and is requested by sending the following syntax to the client applet: Also, if you want to find where a piece of text is found in code, you can use the @grep command. You should be able to locate the "You view .." message using it - though it is also in one of the verbs I mentioned above :) Hope this helps! - Alexandre Borgia -----Original Message----- From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu] On Behalf Of Guido tum Suden Sent: lundi 31 janvier 2005 12:50 To: Encore Mailinglist Subject: [encore] Special descriptions I just did the duck tutorial. At one time you add a string to the description of the duck, so it looks different in certain situations. I don't get this to work and anyway if I did, would the new text be seen on the right side in Xpress? Guido