From jung@uib.no Wed Dec 1 19:24:21 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 01 Dec 2004 19:24:21 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DF905BAD for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 19:24:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5C394782 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 19:24:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10248-01-80 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 19:24:16 -0600 (CST) Received: from noralf.uib.no (noralf.uib.no [129.177.30.12]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABB2639FA for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 19:24:12 -0600 (CST) Received: from alfred.uib.no (smtp.uib.no) [129.177.30.120] by noralf.uib.no with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CZfhW-00016U-Dp; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 02:24:08 +0100 Received: from tunnel-45-13.vpn.uib.no [129.177.45.13] by smtp.uib.no with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CZfhV-00045E-U5; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 02:24:06 +0100 Message-ID: <41AE6EBF.5010607@uib.no> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 02:24:15 +0100 From: Daniel Jung User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Discussion related to the MOO platform." , encore@utdallas.edu Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sindre_S=F8rensen?= Subject: [encore] Missing quote oddity when compiling verbs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-checked-clean: by exiscan on noralf X-Scanner: 86325dfc5510b8ae2614628e960736ac http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-UiB-SpamFlag: NO UIB: 0.0 hits, 11.0 required X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1256 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jung@uib.no Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jung@uib.no List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore [Note to enCore list: This is maybe nerd stuff] [Note to moo-cows: This is maybe just-below-basics] Lambda MOO 1.8.0r5. Compiling this: {1, 2, 3, 4} = args; {} = args; 1 = 2; break; continue; $; "; "; "; "; "; returns these errors (from the parser.y file): Line 1: Scattering assignment targets must be simple variables. Line 2: Empty list in scattering assignment. Line 3: Illegal expression on left side of assignment. Line 4: No enclosing loop for `break' statement Line 5: No enclosing loop for `continue' statement Line 6: Illegal context for `$' expression. Line 7: Missing quote Line 7: Missing quote Line 7: parse error What I find peculiar is "missing quote" loop. After line 7, line 8 is read (apparently) and the missing quote in line 8 detected. The line count stops at line 7, however, and the final "parse error" is assigned to line 7 as well. The Missing quote case seems to be caught up in a loop for itself instead of following the "lineno++" iteration, thus disregarding the latter. Reducing the verb body to "; returns Line 1: Missing quote Line 1: parse error and expanding it to "; "; $; {} = args; returns Line 1: Missing quote Line 1: Missing quote Line 1: parse error The Missing quote case seems thus to be the only error aborting the parsing of the rest. Why is this so? Would you consider this a bug (... to be reported to Sourceforge), or am I just missing something? Cannot find it anything usefull on google, nor on http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=103692&group_id=3692&func=browse etc. (Another thing: It would be very nice to have fmt_error() return not only the line number, but the charater position as well... with the missing quote, that would per def. be EOL, and not very helpful, of course, but the other compiling error cases would be nice to have an index for. Would that mean having lex_getc() return something and then passing it along for every case? ... I couldn't possibly do it.) Thanks for input: - Daniel From kris.olson.au@gmail.com Thu Dec 2 15:57:58 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 02 Dec 2004 15:57:58 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04A705BB3 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 15:57:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB6D223E5 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 15:57:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20933-01-39 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 15:57:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.197]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E1D13EEB for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 15:57:14 -0600 (CST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r35so32951rna for ; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 13:57:13 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Mvc9jLql/boMXC/LB9iA8y/nO/FTbkDAnjIGUvUyoO9w0i47GcvWbCXlgKdX5xkbrUyhfCuFFP8ys5CYeJa0NEYtz2Iiy63YENJS03XYwnZcBUE4hzb11hp/aajZFNH2asm0Wnqt7SvVo8i2TMH7gsfrXUPM6Prw74bdHtO+6FY= Received: by 10.38.161.57 with SMTP id j57mr124142rne; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 13:57:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.125.46 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 13:57:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3dce001b04120213577db1744f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 05:57:13 +0800 From: Kris Olson To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] password Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1257 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: kris.olson.au@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: kris.olson.au@gmail.com List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi all is there a way to reset a password for a player who has lost or forgotten their password? -- Kris Olson Geraldton Senior College Head of Business and Computing Area 61-8-9965-8443 (W) 61-8-9965-0317 (H) From kris.olson.au@gmail.com Thu Dec 2 16:01:17 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 02 Dec 2004 16:01:17 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDD255BB3 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:01:16 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B73AB2449 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:01:16 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20441-01-88 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:01:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.192]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8829535AC for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:01:15 -0600 (CST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c16so29188rne for ; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 14:01:15 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=RQQI/YMfu1NToNDmM0+YNTy/82uZRp2Ff6WuN3qHPo7pxh0qyXi1oEsNBZgR/WBYTVqN3NITfb8jmgva3gOZOS9Osz3vxJIjVIgw6QV6Hi6EB6CEyfSldTaJvOsqPZBFCnTfZti4TkLAVgYXz+f3+1MxbivI+D81an+gXp5gzU4= Received: by 10.38.165.16 with SMTP id n16mr125268rne; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 14:01:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.125.46 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:01:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3dce001b041202140141f2a030@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 06:01:14 +0800 From: Kris Olson To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] system settings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1258 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: kris.olson.au@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: kris.olson.au@gmail.com List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hello again I use a iMac at home and Moos display properly through Safari. However, our new Moo does not display properly in Safari. The sizing of the left windows is wierd. What would be some standard system display settings that I could set to try to correct this problem? -- Kris Olson Geraldton Senior College Head of Business and Computing Area 61-8-9965-8443 (W) 61-8-9965-0317 (H) From jung@uib.no Thu Dec 2 16:14:10 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 02 Dec 2004 16:14:10 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79C995BB3 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:14:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 638B32AE1 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:14:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22112-01-95 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:14:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from noralf.uib.no (noralf.uib.no [129.177.30.12]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC14D39F7 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:14:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from alfred.uib.no (smtp.uib.no) [129.177.30.120] by noralf.uib.no with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CZzDC-0005CF-Gc; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 23:14:08 +0100 Received: from tunnel-45-13.vpn.uib.no [129.177.45.13] by smtp.uib.no for encore@utdallas.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CZzDC-0002jx-3d; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 23:14:06 +0100 Message-ID: <41AF93AE.1020903@uib.no> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 23:14:06 +0100 From: Daniel Jung User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Re: system settings References: <3dce001b041202140141f2a030@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3dce001b041202140141f2a030@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-checked-clean: by exiscan on noralf X-Scanner: 304dfdfff992e45866ead9dfb0a7b06b http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-UiB-SpamFlag: NO UIB: 0.0 hits, 11.0 required X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1259 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jung@uib.no Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jung@uib.no List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Kris Olson wrote: > Hello again > > I use a iMac at home and Moos display properly through Safari. > However, our new Moo does not display properly in Safari. The sizing > of the left windows is wierd. What would be some standard system > display settings that I could set to try to correct this problem? Safari isn't reading the html applet tag very well, neither is Opera. We are working on redesigning the code for producing the html tags and script, since the code is partly deprecated. We will use object tag and attributes instead. There will be a fix, but we don't know when it will be public. In the meantime, please use any other free browser. Firefox does great. Godd luck: - Daniel "WhatQnavry" Jung From jung@uib.no Thu Dec 2 16:16:18 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 02 Dec 2004 16:16:18 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 742395BB3 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:16:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B1022B43 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:16:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22501-01-86 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:16:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from noralf.uib.no (noralf.uib.no [129.177.30.12]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC7003EE2 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:16:12 -0600 (CST) Received: from alfred.uib.no (smtp.uib.no) [129.177.30.120] by noralf.uib.no with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CZzFC-0005HU-61; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 23:16:12 +0100 Received: from tunnel-45-13.vpn.uib.no [129.177.45.13] by smtp.uib.no for encore@utdallas.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CZzFB-0002kZ-Q3; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 23:16:10 +0100 Message-ID: <41AF942A.1000101@uib.no> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 23:16:10 +0100 From: Daniel Jung User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Re: password References: <3dce001b04120213577db1744f@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3dce001b04120213577db1744f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-checked-clean: by exiscan on noralf X-Scanner: 2311ba0721299891e150c42a1bc06f89 http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-UiB-SpamFlag: NO UIB: 0.0 hits, 11.0 required X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1260 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jung@uib.no Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jung@uib.no List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Kris Olson wrote: > is there a way to reset a password for a player who has lost or > forgotten their password? Yes. Please read $wiz:@new-password(). - Daniel From wmrowland@earthlink.net Thu Dec 2 18:57:28 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 02 Dec 2004 18:57:29 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A229A5BAD for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 18:57:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6067925E2 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 18:57:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13685-01-27 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 18:57:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40FF93559 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 18:57:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from [69.150.179.230] (helo=INDEPENDS0RQGP) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ca1lF-0004IK-QH for encore@utdallas.edu; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 19:57:26 -0500 Message-ID: <005401c4d8d2$7bb41df0$6401a8c0@INDEPENDS0RQGP> From: "William D. Rowland" To: Subject: [encore] Archive and question about webpages Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 18:53:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0051_01C4D8A0.30702780" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-ELNK-Trace: cb001bddce8cb139419b067d67682ccd7e972de0d01da9409c56bf56f060e63973c6924c86547300350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.150.179.230 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1261 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: wmrowland@earthlink.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: wmrowland@earthlink.net List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C4D8A0.30702780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, I'm new to the list and have just gotten a enCore MOO up running on = Fedora. I am expecting a very simple replication of the campus I am = attending and want to put up pictures to show the rooms, etc to the = users. I see on page 136 of MOOniversity about changing a room to $webpage and = pasting in a page from my web publishing application. It does not = however tell me about the effects on the buttons for navigation and the = icons for people or objects in the rooms. Do I have to allow for them or = will they just show up on my page as things and other rooms that connect = are added? I am hesitating to just plunge ahead as I paid a young man to get the = MOO up and running in the first instance and then seemed to have crashed = it while preparing the rooms a month ago. He has taken a new job and is = not available to me anymore. It has taken me some nights to get it up = again. I tried to look this up in the archives but they seem to be down....any = help will be greatly appreciated. Bill Rowland ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C4D8A0.30702780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all,
 
I'm new to the list and have just = gotten a enCore=20 MOO up running on Fedora. I am expecting a very simple replication of = the campus=20 I am attending and want to put up pictures to show the rooms, etc = to the=20 users.
 
I see on page 136 of MOOniversity about = changing a=20 room to $webpage and pasting in a page from my web publishing = application. It=20 does not however tell me about the effects on the buttons for navigation = and the=20 icons for people or objects in the rooms. Do I have to allow for them or = will=20 they just show up on my page as things and other rooms that connect are=20 added?
 
I am hesitating to just plunge = ahead as I paid=20 a young man to get the MOO up and running in the first instance and then = seemed=20 to have crashed it while preparing the rooms a month ago. He has taken a = new job=20 and is not available to me anymore. It has taken me some nights to get = it up=20 again.
 
I tried to look this up in the archives = but they=20 seem to be down....any help will be greatly appreciated.
 
Bill Rowland
------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C4D8A0.30702780-- From Daniel.Jung@huminf.uib.no Fri Dec 3 06:26:50 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 03 Dec 2004 11:40:39 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 806745BAD for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 06:26:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44D7F4D28 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 06:26:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11774-01-23 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 06:26:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from noralf.uib.no (noralf.uib.no [129.177.30.12]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D01423559 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 06:26:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from alfred.uib.no (smtp.uib.no) [129.177.30.120] by noralf.uib.no with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CaCWB-0000bn-N3; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 13:26:37 +0100 Received: from mac86.sms.uib.no [129.177.213.86] by smtp.uib.no for encore@utdallas.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CaCWB-000696-HM; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 13:26:35 +0100 Message-ID: <41B05B7B.7020104@huminf.uib.no> Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 13:26:35 +0100 From: Daniel Jung Organization: UiB User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Re: Archive and question about webpages References: <005401c4d8d2$7bb41df0$6401a8c0@INDEPENDS0RQGP> In-Reply-To: <005401c4d8d2$7bb41df0$6401a8c0@INDEPENDS0RQGP> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-checked-clean: by exiscan on noralf X-Scanner: 612cfc82fc2462e3f4c81643433e09b5 http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-UiB-SpamFlag: NO UIB: -39.0 hits, 11.0 required X-UiB-SpamReport: spamassassin found; -30 -- From is listed in 'whitelist_from' -9.0 -- Message received from UIB X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1262 X-Approved-By: cynthiah@utdallas.edu X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Daniel.Jung@huminf.uib.no Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Daniel.Jung@huminf.uib.no List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hello William D. Rowland You wrote: > I'm new to the list and have just gotten a enCore MOO up running on > Fedora. I am expecting a very simple replication of the campus I am > attending and want to put up pictures to show the rooms, etc to the users. Welcome to the list! :) > I see on page 136 of MOOniversity about changing a room to $webpage and > pasting in a page from my web publishing application. It does not > however tell me about the effects on the buttons for navigation and the > icons for people or objects in the rooms. Do I have to allow for them or > will they just show up on my page as things and other rooms that connect > are added? Unless you have good reason for using the $webpage object, I suggest you better explore the settings of the $room, as I think they might serve your needs just as well, and better than the first one. The $webpage was a very nice idea at the time, but is a rather odd object, and somewhat deprecated in some aspects. Basically, it lets you design a complete web page and ommits the title/buttons generated for all other web class objects. Links (exits) to rooms and possibly contained objects are shown nevertheless, IIRC. It tries thus to merge to independent layers: the notion of a physical room and a free graphical Note that there is currently no help in enCore to produce html code (except for URL-markup and linebreaks) Depending on what you want to do, the answer to your question will differ. A "room" is something you metaphorically can walk, go, fly to, where you can stay and where you can talk and interact with other people staying at the same spot. You can put any hmtl code into the rooms description you like, including pictures, sound, 3d-applets and so on. > I am hesitating to just plunge ahead as I paid a young man to get the > MOO up and running in the first instance and then seemed to have crashed > it while preparing the rooms a month ago. He has taken a new job and is > not available to me anymore. It has taken me some nights to get it up again. I know what you are talking about. Many of us do. (Take this consolation for what it is worth). Good luck, - Daniel From cynthiah@utdallas.edu Fri Dec 3 12:00:56 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 03 Dec 2004 12:00:57 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from smtp1.utdallas.edu (smtp1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.5]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACE855BAD for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 12:00:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (66.169.106.136.ts46v-02.mhe2.ftwrth.tx.charter.com [66.169.106.136]) by smtp1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63AEB388C1A for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 12:00:56 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 12:03:32 -0600 Subject: [encore] Archive From: Cynthia Haynes To: encore Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 1263 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: cynthiah@utdallas.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: cynthiah@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Folks, Just a quick note to let you know that the list archives are indeed temporarily down. The UTD sysadmin did something that broke the way all list archives at UTD are stored. He's working on a solution. We have confirmed that all posts are still being stored, so we shouldn't have any missing after this is resolved. I'll let you know when they're up again. Best, Cynthia __Cynthia Haynes, Director of Rhetoric and Writing___________________ University of Texas at Dallas cynthiah@utdallas.edu School of Arts & Humanities http://www.utdallas.edu/~cynthiah PO Box 830688-JO 31 http://lingua.utdallas.edu:7000 Richardson, TX 75083-0688 (O)972-883-6340 (F)972-883-2989 From jung@uib.no Fri Dec 3 17:25:35 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 03 Dec 2004 17:25:35 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41BA15BAD for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 17:25:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA5F021BD for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 17:25:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06287-01-34 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 17:25:32 -0600 (CST) Received: from noralf.uib.no (noralf.uib.no [129.177.30.12]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A39083EDF for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 17:25:32 -0600 (CST) Received: from alfred.uib.no (smtp.uib.no) [129.177.30.120] by noralf.uib.no with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CaMnp-0006y1-Gx; Sat, 04 Dec 2004 00:25:31 +0100 Received: from tunnel-45-13.vpn.uib.no [129.177.45.13] by smtp.uib.no for encore@utdallas.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CaMnn-0000nI-1V; Sat, 04 Dec 2004 00:25:29 +0100 Message-ID: <41B0F5E7.1030008@uib.no> Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 00:25:27 +0100 From: Daniel Jung User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] webpage object Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-checked-clean: by exiscan on noralf X-Scanner: d490baf53558c2d32c95a7615c6e821c http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-UiB-SpamFlag: NO UIB: 0.0 hits, 11.0 required X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1264 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jung@uib.no Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jung@uib.no List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi I wrote earlier that the $webpage object was "an odd object... deprecated in some ways...". I am sorry if this way of expressing did sound alarming to somebody. I got a reply that said that this object was in fact being used extensively in somebody's MOO, and a loud and clear plea for this object to be maintained and developed. I realize this. Now I wonder if there are more MOOs which make structural use of this object (even as a [near-]default room parent). I'd like to know this because of a possible roadmap for future releases; which objects to continue developing (why and how) and which not. If it is, it would be nice to hear about when and why the specific MOOs made the choice for $webpage (over $room), if it, e.g., was due to the lack of flexibility in the $room - which may or may not have improved since then. Thanks for any replies. -- - WhatQnavry From bmcman@optonline.net Fri Dec 3 21:49:54 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 03 Dec 2004 21:49:55 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFC3E5BAD for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 21:49:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A02A74E56 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 21:49:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29932-01-98 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 21:49:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.74]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E61AE39F0 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 21:49:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from optonline.net (ool-44c66e7c.dyn.optonline.net [68.198.110.124]) by mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I86002YUIN1Y6@mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for encore@utdallas.edu; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 22:49:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 22:49:45 -0500 From: "Barbara F. McManus" Subject: [encore] Re: webpage object In-reply-to: <41B0F5E7.1030008@uib.no> To: encore@utdallas.edu Message-id: <41B133D9.6080602@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 References: <41B0F5E7.1030008@uib.no> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1265 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: bmcman@optonline.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: bmcman@optonline.net List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore In the VRoma MOO, $webpage is practically our default room, and we use it extensively for objects as well. Our virtual city is a simulation of ancient Rome, which was a huge and complex city. MOO helps us convey a sense of physicality and space, but HTML helps us present many different layers of information, photos, etc. For example, we have borrowed an ancient division of the city into 14 regions (determined by the first emperor, Augustus). However, navigation within each of these regions is still complicated, so to simplify getting around and finding monuments we have made click maps (only possible by using $webpage); visitors can still "walk" through all the areas, but if they only want to visit the Circus Maximus in Region XI, for example, they can click on that and they are there. Also, we want to give lots of information about various locations and monuments in Rome without overwhelming the visitors. So we present one picture and some basic description in each room, all of which could have been easily handled by $room. But for anyone who wants/needs more information, we include links in the description that yield popup windows with more images, deeper information, etc. (these are *requested* popups so not affected by popup blockers). Again, this is only possible with $webpage, HTML code, and javascript. Many ancient writers wrote about their beloved city, so we also include texts that are objects based on $webpage. In this way we can present Latin texts that are hyperlinked with vocabulary and grammatical help, commentary, images, translations, etc. A lot of this could be done with straight web pages, but when these are integrated with the interactive possibilities of the MOO, their interest and educational possibilities are increased a hundredfold. To give an example, a visitor to the Senate building in the Roman Forum will come upon a special chair, the curule chair, and be invited to sit on it. However, when he/she tries, lictors will rush up to pull him/her off, saying that only magistrates wearing the toga praetexta can sit on the curule chair. Exploring a little farther, the visitor will find a toga praetexta and try to put it on, only to be told that no one except certain elected magistrates are allowed to wear it; clicking on a link will bring up an illustrated web page about the cursus honorum, the Roman "ladder of public office" that explains how ancient Romans advanced their political careers. However, a character that has consul status (like me) can put on the toga praetexta and sit on the curule chair with no problem. In another part of Rome, the sleazy and disreputable Subura, visitors can negotiate in Latin with a greedy landlady (a Latin-speaking bot) in order to rent a room in a rickety tenement. So, Daniel, in VRoma we want it all -- the rich hyperlinking and graphical capabilities of HTML, and all the wonderfully imaginative interactions possible through MOO. Barbara Daniel Jung wrote: > Hi > > I wrote earlier that the $webpage object was "an odd object... > deprecated in some ways...". I am sorry if this way of expressing did > sound alarming to somebody. I got a reply that said that this object > was in fact being used extensively in somebody's MOO, and a loud and > clear plea for this object to be maintained and developed. I realize > this. > > Now I wonder if there are more MOOs which make structural use of this > object (even as a [near-]default room parent). I'd like to know this > because of a possible roadmap for future releases; which objects to > continue developing (why and how) and which not. > > If it is, it would be nice to hear about when and why the specific > MOOs made the choice for $webpage (over $room), if it, e.g., was due > to the lack of flexibility in the $room - which may or may not have > improved since then. > > Thanks for any replies. > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Barbara F. McManus, Professor of Classics Emerita The College of New Rochelle, New Rochelle, NY 10805 Co-Director, The VRoma Project or http://www.cnr.edu/home/bmcmanus/ http://www.vroma.org/~bmcmanus/ From Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Sat Dec 4 06:25:44 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Sat, 04 Dec 2004 06:25:44 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E8FC5BAD for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 06:25:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35023508F for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 06:25:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06176-01-60 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 06:25:39 -0600 (CST) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 050D039F3 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 06:25:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from irvin.accdvm.accd.edu [10.1.11.49] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Sat, 04 Dec 2004 06:24:23 CST Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20041204061049.01f84780@accdvm.accd.edu> X-Sender: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 06:26:09 -0600 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Lennie Irvin Subject: [encore] Re: webpage object In-Reply-To: <41B133D9.6080602@optonline.net> References: <41B0F5E7.1030008@uib.no> <41B0F5E7.1030008@uib.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1266 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore The $webpage object is indeed at the heart of enCore's webbased nature, and I agree that it is a bit odd. One thing I miss in $webpage objects are the default "command buttons" at the top of the viewing window like the green arrow and blue pencil. Barbara is right--the only way to include truly hypertextual and multi-media objects through encore (right now) is through the $webpage object. I happen to make use of a WebNote quite a bit. If you create a $thing or $note, you then @chparent it to $webpage and then you can drop it into a room and it shows as a note (rather than a link to another room). I've done a lot of thinking on this subject in terms of how the incorporation of an editor like HTMLArea would affect $webpage and $webnote objects. It seems to me that if we integrated HTMLArea (or something like it) into enCore EVERY object would essentially be a $webpage/$webnote. When you went to the Description property of an object to type in text, you would have the option to include graphics, links, tables, video, the works. Having such an editor integrated would forgo the necessity to paste in HTML code for webrooms/objects (which would make it MUCH easier for students to publish webpages). I'm not sure how well HTMLArea handles already created web pages. For instance, you create a webpage using Dreamweaver--could you simply copy and paste the text or code into the HTMLArea textbox. I don't know (but since moodle uses it for its forums, I think we could try it there). Daniel, you would know about the programming hurdles involved in all of this, but it seems to me that one way to evolve upwards to integrate something like HTMLArea while not messing up existing $webpage rooms is to create a new class of objects that future users could choose to create. That way old ones are not affected, but the capability is there for future builders. Lennie (cross-posted to the encore consortium site) At 10:49 PM 12/3/04 -0500, you wrote: >In the VRoma MOO, $webpage is practically our default room, and we use it >extensively for objects as well. Our virtual city is a simulation of >ancient Rome, which was a huge and complex city. MOO helps us convey a >sense of physicality and space, but HTML helps us present many different >layers of information, photos, etc. For example, we have borrowed an >ancient division of the city into 14 regions (determined by the first >emperor, Augustus). However, navigation within each of these regions is >still complicated, so to simplify getting around and finding monuments we >have made click maps (only possible by using $webpage); visitors can still >"walk" >through all the areas, but if they only want to visit the Circus Maximus >in Region XI, for example, they can click on that and they are there. > >Also, we want to give lots of information about various locations and >monuments in Rome without overwhelming the visitors. So we present one >picture and some basic description in each room, all of which could have >been easily handled by $room. But for anyone who wants/needs more >information, we include links in the description that yield popup windows >with more images, deeper information, etc. (these are *requested* popups >so not affected by popup blockers). Again, this is only possible with >$webpage, HTML code, and javascript. Many ancient writers wrote about >their beloved city, so we also include texts that are objects based on >$webpage. In this way we can present Latin texts that are hyperlinked >with vocabulary and grammatical help, commentary, images, translations, etc. > >A lot of this could be done with straight web pages, but when these are >integrated with the interactive possibilities of the MOO, their interest >and educational possibilities are increased a hundredfold. To give an >example, a visitor to the Senate building in the Roman Forum will come >upon a special chair, the curule chair, and be invited to sit on it. >However, when he/she tries, lictors will rush up to pull him/her off, >saying that only magistrates wearing the toga praetexta can sit on the >curule chair. Exploring a little farther, the visitor will find a toga >praetexta and try to put it on, only to be told that no one except certain >elected magistrates are allowed to wear it; clicking on a link will bring >up an illustrated web page about the cursus honorum, the Roman "ladder of >public office" that explains how ancient Romans advanced their political >careers. However, a character that has consul status (like me) can put on >the toga praetexta and sit on the curule chair with no problem. In >another part of Rome, the sleazy and disreputable Subura, visitors can >negotiate in Latin with a greedy landlady (a Latin-speaking bot) in order >to rent a room in a rickety tenement. >So, Daniel, in VRoma we want it all -- the rich hyperlinking and graphical >capabilities of HTML, and all the wonderfully imaginative interactions >possible through MOO. Barbara > >Daniel Jung wrote: > >>Hi >> >>I wrote earlier that the $webpage object was "an odd object... deprecated >>in some ways...". I am sorry if this way of expressing did sound alarming >>to somebody. I got a reply that said that this object was in fact being >>used extensively in somebody's MOO, and a loud and clear plea for this >>object to be maintained and developed. I realize this. >> >>Now I wonder if there are more MOOs which make structural use of this >>object (even as a [near-]default room parent). I'd like to know this >>because of a possible roadmap for future releases; which objects to >>continue developing (why and how) and which not. >> >>If it is, it would be nice to hear about when and why the specific MOOs >>made the choice for $webpage (over $room), if it, e.g., was due to the >>lack of flexibility in the $room - which may or may not have improved >>since then. >> >>Thanks for any replies. > > >-- >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Barbara F. McManus, Professor of Classics Emerita >The College of New Rochelle, New Rochelle, NY 10805 >Co-Director, The VRoma Project > or >http://www.cnr.edu/home/bmcmanus/ >http://www.vroma.org/~bmcmanus/ > > > L. Lennie Irvin Department of English, San Antonio College San Antonio, TX http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/ Nouspace: http://www.nouspace.net:7000/ From jung@uib.no Sat Dec 4 14:21:30 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Sat, 04 Dec 2004 14:21:30 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A10D5BAD for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 14:21:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C4DA1FD6 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 14:21:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13418-01-29 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 14:21:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from noralf.uib.no (noralf.uib.no [129.177.30.12]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C27035AC for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 14:21:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from alfred.uib.no (smtp.uib.no) [129.177.30.120] by noralf.uib.no with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CagPC-0007Ox-PR; Sat, 04 Dec 2004 21:21:24 +0100 Received: from tunnel-45-180.vpn.uib.no [129.177.45.180] by smtp.uib.no for encore@utdallas.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CagPC-0002I0-HT; Sat, 04 Dec 2004 21:21:22 +0100 Message-ID: <41B21C42.6@uib.no> Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 21:21:22 +0100 From: Daniel Jung User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Re: webpage object References: <41B0F5E7.1030008@uib.no> <41B0F5E7.1030008@uib.no> <5.2.1.1.0.20041204061049.01f84780@accdvm.accd.edu> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20041204061049.01f84780@accdvm.accd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-checked-clean: by exiscan on noralf X-Scanner: 5a4383b477a319155fb61818b5a86e99 http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-UiB-SpamFlag: NO UIB: 0.0 hits, 11.0 required X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1267 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jung@uib.no Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jung@uib.no List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Lennie Irvin wrote: > The $webpage object is indeed at the heart of enCore's webbased nature, > and I agree that it is a bit odd. In the consortium forum, I just posted this in a reply to Peter Whitehouse : ************ With such a feature [modern web authoring tools for MOO rooms], all web objects could have extended html capabilities, not only rooms. What I am puzzled about when it comes to the $webpage object is that it is a child of $room, thus an object to be inside of and to facilitatte interaction with other people who are inside it at the same time (or at other times). Enhancements to this special room should be on how the room _reacts_ (cf. the moderated room or the classroom). But the $webpage is, so it seems to me, used with emphasis on how it _looks_, not _reacts_. With _looks_, I mean surface rendering, not the immanent database structure (verbs, props) of the room. This confuses me. The _looks_ of a room should be defined in another layer than through the parenting path. Either as a linked-in "feature object", or as a global flexible feature for all web objects. I'd prefer the latter. This may explain what I meant when I expressed myself so clumsily earlier when I said the $webpage was somehow deprecated. Its mission and feature is not. Its constraint to the $room is. (I hope this was clearer.) ************ (We shouldn't Xpost these things, but this topic was raised in both media.) - d. From gordoneng@att.net Sat Dec 4 14:58:01 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Sat, 04 Dec 2004 14:58:01 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 416DF5BAD for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 14:58:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 131922A44 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 14:58:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16387-01-22 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 14:57:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.115]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4A1839FA for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 14:57:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from 204.127.135.41 ([204.127.135.41]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11) with SMTP id <2004120420575511100iivf7e>; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 20:57:55 +0000 Received: from [68.161.129.51] by 204.127.135.41; Sat, 04 Dec 2004 20:57:54 +0000 From: gordoneng@att.net To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Re: please remove me from the listserv Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 20:57:54 +0000 Message-Id: <120420042057.1074.41B224D1000DF1F400000432215876672009020A02010B9D0109@att.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 18 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: Z29yZG9uZW5nQGF0dC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_1074_1102193874_0" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1268 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: gordoneng@att.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: gordoneng@att.net List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_1074_1102193874_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Can you please arrange to remove me from the listserv? Thanks in advance for your help. -------------- Original message from Daniel Jung : -------------- > Lennie Irvin wrote: > > The $webpage object is indeed at the heart of enCore's webbased nature, > > and I agree that it is a bit odd. > > In the consortium forum, I just posted this in a reply to Peter > Whitehouse : > > ************ > > With such a feature [modern web authoring tools for MOO rooms], all web > objects could have extended html capabilities, not only rooms. > > What I am puzzled about when it comes to the $webpage object is that it > is a child of $room, thus an object to be inside of and to facilitatte > interaction with other people who are inside it at the same time (or at > other times). > > Enhancements to this special room should be on how the room _reacts_ > (cf. the moderated room or the classroom). But the $webpage is, so it > seems to me, used with emphasis on how it _looks_, not _reacts_. With > _looks_, I mean surface rendering, not the immanent database structure > (verbs, props) of the room. > > This confuses me. The _looks_ of a room should be defined in another > layer than through the parenting path. Either as a linked-in "feature > object", or as a global flexible feature for all web objects. I'd prefer > the latter. > > This may explain what I meant when I expressed myself so clumsily > earlier when I said the $webpage was somehow deprecated. Its mission and > feature is not. Its constraint to the $room is. (I hope this was clearer.) > > ************ > > > (We shouldn't Xpost these things, but this topic was raised in both media.) > > > - d. > > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_1074_1102193874_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Can you please arrange to remove me from the listserv?

Thanks in advance for your help.

 


 

-------------- Original message from Daniel Jung <jung@uib.no>: --------------


> Lennie Irvin wrote:
> > The $webpage object is indeed at the heart of enCore's webbased nature,
> > and I agree that it is a bit odd.
>
> In the consortium forum, I just posted this in a reply to Peter
> Whitehouse :
>
> ************
>
> With such a feature [modern web authoring tools for MOO rooms], all web
> objects could have extended html capabilities, not only rooms.
>
> What I am puzzled about when it comes to the $webpage object is that it
> is a child of $room, thus an object to be inside of and to facilitatte
> interaction with other people who are inside it at the same time (or at
> other times).
>
> Enhancements to this special room should be on how the ro om _reacts_
> (cf. the moderated room or the classroom). But the $webpage is, so it
> seems to me, used with emphasis on how it _looks_, not _reacts_. With
> _looks_, I mean surface rendering, not the immanent database structure
> (verbs, props) of the room.
>
> This confuses me. The _looks_ of a room should be defined in another
> layer than through the parenting path. Either as a linked-in "feature
> object", or as a global flexible feature for all web objects. I'd prefer
> the latter.
>
> This may explain what I meant when I expressed myself so clumsily
> earlier when I said the $webpage was somehow deprecated. Its mission and
> feature is not. Its constraint to the $room is. (I hope this was clearer.)
>
> ************
>
>
> (We shouldn't Xpost these things, but this topic was raised in both media.)
>
>
> - d.
>
>
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_1074_1102193874_0-- From Daniel.Jung@huminf.uib.no Mon Dec 6 11:26:30 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 06 Dec 2004 11:56:19 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17B5B5BAD for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 11:26:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7F11556 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 11:26:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02999-01-10 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 11:26:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from noralf.uib.no (noralf.uib.no [129.177.30.12]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B35E3EDD for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 11:26:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from alfred.uib.no (smtp.uib.no) [129.177.30.120] by noralf.uib.no with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CbMcx-0002gT-3f; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 18:26:25 +0100 Received: from mac86.sms.uib.no [129.177.213.86] by smtp.uib.no with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CbMcw-0003Qd-SI; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 18:26:22 +0100 Message-ID: <41B4963E.50105@huminf.uib.no> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 18:26:22 +0100 From: Daniel Jung Organization: UiB User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: encore@utdallas.edu, "Discussion related to the MOO platform." Subject: [encore] line number in callers() Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-checked-clean: by exiscan on noralf X-Scanner: 30d325c8f7a5218d632ee3f763dfbbe2 http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-UiB-SpamFlag: NO UIB: -39.0 hits, 11.0 required X-UiB-SpamReport: spamassassin found; -30 -- From is listed in 'whitelist_from' -9.0 -- Message received from UIB X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1269 X-Approved-By: cynthiah@utdallas.edu X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Daniel.Jung@huminf.uib.no Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Daniel.Jung@huminf.uib.no List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi I want to generalize a debugging routine. Instead of writing a horrible hardcoded 43: player:tell("now come to verb `:go_crazy', line 43"); 44: player:tell("value at this point: ", value); and the like all the time, I have written a verb #1:debug(?msg) -------------- {?msg = {}} = args; typeof(msg) != LIST ? msg = {msg} | 0; block = {"", "DEBUG:"}; for c in (callers()) block = {@block, tostr(c[1], ":", c[2])}; endfor block = {@block, @msg, "END DEBUG", ""}; for d in (this.debuggers) d:tell_lines(block); endfor ... which is called with, e.g., 43: this:debug(tostr("value: ", value")); Now I _really_ would like to get hold of the line, not only the object and verb name. Callers() wouldn't reveal the line; I can't see other functions than raise() that could. I tried to jumble raise() into that routine, by producing a local, recoverable error like this: 43: `bogus ! ANY => this:debug(tostr("value: ", value"))'; (`bogus' is a non-defined variable here) and catch the error and the line (lines) that way, but I couldn't get it to work. And it seems like overkill to me. Is there anything I have missed? Has somebody done this already? Thanks for any pointers - Daniel From jung@uib.no Mon Dec 6 16:13:31 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 06 Dec 2004 16:13:32 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7A1B5BAD for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 16:13:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 790334575 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 16:13:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14435-01-49 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 16:13:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from noralf.uib.no (noralf.uib.no [129.177.30.12]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1049539FA for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 16:13:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from alfred.uib.no (smtp.uib.no) [129.177.30.120] by noralf.uib.no with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CbR6c-00010K-KU; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 23:13:24 +0100 Received: from tunnel-45-180.vpn.uib.no [129.177.45.180] by smtp.uib.no for encore@utdallas.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CbR6c-000438-0x; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 23:13:18 +0100 Message-ID: <41B4D981.9000601@uib.no> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 23:13:21 +0100 From: Daniel Jung User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Re: line number in callers() References: <41B4963E.50105@huminf.uib.no> In-Reply-To: <41B4963E.50105@huminf.uib.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-checked-clean: by exiscan on noralf X-Scanner: b51727c99d7da2c2a6a762082ac0fe59 http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-UiB-SpamFlag: NO UIB: 0.0 hits, 11.0 required X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1270 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jung@uib.no Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jung@uib.no List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Daniel Jung wrote: > Now I _really_ would like to get hold of the line, not only the object > and verb name. Callers() wouldn't reveal the line; I can't see other > functions than raise() that could. Just found out: callers() don't, callers(1) does! Note to self: RTFM RTFM RTFM - Daniel From wmrowland@earthlink.net Wed Dec 8 13:02:37 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 08 Dec 2004 13:02:38 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9F1D5BC3 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 13:02:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7876857AD for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 13:02:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28473-01-25 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 13:02:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A50E53EF4 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 13:01:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from [69.150.179.230] (helo=INDEPENDS0RQGP) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Cc74J-00064F-7X for encore@utdallas.edu; Wed, 08 Dec 2004 14:01:43 -0500 Message-ID: <040601c4dd57$e343ef70$6401a8c0@INDEPENDS0RQGP> From: "William D. Rowland" To: Subject: [encore] Moo abuilding. Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 12:58:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0403_01C4DD25.98386E20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-ELNK-Trace: cb001bddce8cb139419b067d67682ccd7e972de0d01da940ac662217a022a87df81f1e185ad40145350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.150.179.230 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1271 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: wmrowland@earthlink.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: wmrowland@earthlink.net List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0403_01C4DD25.98386E20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, and thanks for the responses. I was stuck in one way of = looking at the MOO and your mail opened my eyes. I had some experience with MOO in the middle 90's but of course that was = telnet based and used quite simple clients...mine then was MAC based. = Some effort had been made at integration with web but only pushing pages = more or less. People associated with the wizardry were being urged to = "web the MOO" but other than a test page or so, I don't remember any = success. The point was that in so thinking I believe most of us were looking for = display only and were not considering the web building from within. So I = was stuck in that mode. Thanks for the direction to see the construction = possibilities I do have FrontPage loaded on my laptop and know little = about it. But I am hopeful in looking a some "site" control that way. Barbara McManus, thank you for the insight into your MOO. I have just = spent some time there and only the trip home from Rome was uneventful! I = plan to examine your pages in detail and learn some basics too. And I = mean both Rome and MOO. I look forward to reading more from you all, thanks again. And let me = just close with this question: have any on the list run a MOO on DSL = using DDNS services DynDNS.org or TZO.com? Bill R. ------=_NextPart_000_0403_01C4DD25.98386E20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all, and thanks for the = responses. I was=20 stuck in one way of looking at the MOO and your mail opened my=20 eyes.
 
I had some experience with MOO in the = middle 90's=20 but of course that was telnet based and used quite simple clients...mine = then=20 was MAC based. Some effort had been made at integration with web = but only=20 pushing pages more or less. People associated with the wizardry were = being urged=20 to "web the MOO" but other than a test page or so, I don't remember = any=20 success.
 
The point was that in so thinking I = believe most of=20 us were looking for display only and were not considering the web = building from=20 within. So I was stuck in that mode. Thanks for the direction to see the = construction possibilities I do have FrontPage loaded on my laptop and = know=20 little about it. But I am hopeful in looking a some "site" control = that=20 way.
 
Barbara McManus, thank you for the insight into your MOO. I have = just spent=20 some time there and only the trip home from Rome was uneventful! I plan = to=20 examine your pages in detail and learn some basics too. And I mean both = Rome and=20 MOO.
 
I look forward to reading more from you = all, thanks=20 again. And let me just close with this question: have any on the list = run a=20 MOO on DSL using DDNS services DynDNS.org or TZO.com?
 
Bill R.
------=_NextPart_000_0403_01C4DD25.98386E20-- From djg25@psu.edu Thu Dec 9 00:08:31 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 09 Dec 2004 00:08:31 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20E9A5BAD for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 00:08:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBF6A4FF1 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 00:08:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11091-01-95 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 00:08:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from f04n01.cac.psu.edu (f04s01.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.31]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A325F39F5 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 00:08:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from DebbiesRoom.psu.edu (access-isdn1-19.ds.psu.edu [146.186.43.213]) by f04n01.cac.psu.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iB968Mn8318802 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 01:08:22 -0500 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20041209004037.00ba12e8@email.psu.edu> X-Sender: djg25@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 01:08:22 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Deborah Gill Subject: [encore] Problems using Encore with browsers other than IE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1272 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: djg25@psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: djg25@psu.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hello all,

We are encountering a problem which I hope someone might be able to answer. 

We are having a problem using Encore with any browser other than Internet Explorer and this is going to become a problem as a recommendation as come down that Internet Explorer no longer be given as an option as a browser on our campuses because of security issues (this may become an issue for others too as this recommendation was made after a report from the "Computer Emergency Response Team".  The log in problem is not due pop up blockers, nor from not having the right plug in, etc.  We can log on, but once logged on, our students can type ONE SENTENCE and then they are unable to communicate after that.  This happens in both Netscape 7.1 and Mozilla 1.3 (and perhaps other versions of these that my students might have on their home computers--some students have reported that they also have this problem with IE, but I suspect that is because they don't have Microsoft VM and the JIT Compiler installed). 

Does anyone have any ideas on how to fix this problem? 

Thanks so much in advance for your help!

Best,

Debbie

Deborah Gill, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor of Spanish
Pennsylvania State University-DuBois
College Place
DuBois, PA 15801
(814) 375-4783
Email: djg25@psu.edu, msdgill@aol.com



"Each of us has an inner dream that we can unfold if
we will just have the courage to admit what it is.
And the faith to trust our own admission. The admitting is often very difficult."

- Julia Cameron -
 From Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Thu Dec 9 06:18:08 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 09 Dec 2004 06:18:09 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF63A5BAD for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 06:18:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 653755AA4 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 06:18:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09336-01-15 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 06:18:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id D13283559 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 06:18:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from irvin.accdvm.accd.edu [10.1.11.9] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 06:16:47 CST Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20041209061508.02c0a920@accdvm.accd.edu> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 06:18:40 -0600 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Lennie Irvin Subject: [encore] Re: Problems using Encore with browsers other than IE In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20041209004037.00ba12e8@email.psu.edu> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20041209004037.00ba12e8@email.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_3749629==.ALT" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1273 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore --=====================_3749629==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hey Debbie, I'm not sure your problems are having to do with the browser(s). I'm in enCore with Mozilla Foxfire (Mozilla 5.0) all the time with no problems. I believe the program is tested to work in as many browsers as possible (Opera, Safari ...), so I think it must be something else. It does seem odd, though, that you would not experience the problem in IE. Perhaps Daniel or others might have more insight into what is going on. What version of encore are you using? Lennie At 12:08 AM 12/9/04, you wrote: >Hello all, > >We are encountering a problem which I hope someone might be able to answer. > >We are having a problem using Encore with any browser other than Internet >Explorer and this is going to become a problem as a recommendation as come >down that Internet Explorer no longer be given as an option as a browser >on our campuses because of security issues (this may become an issue for >others too as this recommendation was made after a report from the >"Computer Emergency Response Team". The log in problem is not due pop up >blockers, nor from not having the right plug in, etc. We can log on, but >once logged on, our students can type ONE SENTENCE and then they are >unable to communicate after that. This happens in both Netscape 7.1 and >Mozilla 1.3 (and perhaps other versions of these that my students might >have on their home computers--some students have reported that they also >have this problem with IE, but I suspect that is because they don't have >Microsoft VM and the JIT Compiler installed). > >Does anyone have any ideas on how to fix this problem? > >Thanks so much in advance for your help! > >Best, > >Debbie > >Deborah Gill, Ph.D. >Assistant Professor of Spanish >Pennsylvania State University-DuBois >College Place >DuBois, PA 15801 >(814) 375-4783 >Email: djg25@psu.edu, msdgill@aol.com > > > >"Each of us has an inner dream that we can unfold if >we will just have the courage to admit what it is. >And the faith to trust our own admission. The admitting is often very >difficult." > >- Julia Cameron - L. Lennie Irvin Department of English, San Antonio College San Antonio, TX http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/ Nouspace: http://www.nouspace.net:7000/ --=====================_3749629==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Hey Debbie,

I'm not sure your problems are having to do with the browser(s).  I'm in enCore with Mozilla Foxfire (Mozilla 5.0) all the time with no problems.  I believe the program is tested to work in as many browsers as possible (Opera, Safari ...), so I think it must be something else. 

It does seem odd, though, that you would not experience the problem in IE.  Perhaps Daniel or others might have more insight into what is going on.  What version of encore are you using?

Lennie

At 12:08 AM 12/9/04, you wrote:

Hello all,

We are encountering a problem which I hope someone might be able to answer. 

We are having a problem using Encore with any browser other than Internet Explorer and this is going to become a problem as a recommendation as come down that Internet Explorer no longer be given as an option as a browser on our campuses because of security issues (this may become an issue for others too as this recommendation was made after a report from the "Computer Emergency Response Team".  The log in problem is not due pop up blockers, nor from not having the right plug in, etc.  We can log on, but once logged on, our students can type ONE SENTENCE and then they are unable to communicate after that.  This happens in both Netscape 7.1 and Mozilla 1.3 (and perhaps other versions of these that my students might have on their home computers--some students have reported that they also have this problem with IE, but I suspect that is because they don't have Microsoft VM and the JIT Compiler installed). 

Does anyone have any ideas on how to fix this problem? 

Thanks so much in advance for your help!

Best,

Debbie

Deborah Gill, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor of Spanish
Pennsylvania State University-DuBois
College Place
DuBois, PA 15801
(814) 375-4783
Email: djg25@psu.edu, msdgill@aol.com



"Each of us has an inner dream that we can unfold if
we will just have the courage to admit what it is.
And the faith to trust our own admission. The admitting is often very difficult."

- Julia Cameron -

L. Lennie Irvin
Department of English, San Antonio College
San Antonio, TX

http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/
Nouspace: http://www.nouspace.net:7000/

 --=====================_3749629==.ALT-- From jung@uib.no Thu Dec 9 06:37:29 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 09 Dec 2004 06:37:29 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FFB95BAD for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 06:37:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 536575ADC for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 06:37:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10253-01-42 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 06:37:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from noralf.uib.no (noralf.uib.no [129.177.30.12]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA72939F3 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 06:37:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from alfred.uib.no (smtp.uib.no) [129.177.30.120] by noralf.uib.no with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CcNXs-0004z2-Hj; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 13:37:22 +0100 Received: from mac86.sms.uib.no [129.177.213.86] by smtp.uib.no for encore@utdallas.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CcNXs-0004fL-96; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 13:37:20 +0100 Message-ID: <41B84700.5020308@uib.no> Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 13:37:20 +0100 From: Daniel Jung User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Re: Problems using Encore with browsers other than IE References: <5.2.0.9.2.20041209004037.00ba12e8@email.psu.edu> <6.2.0.14.0.20041209061508.02c0a920@accdvm.accd.edu> In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20041209061508.02c0a920@accdvm.accd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-checked-clean: by exiscan on noralf X-Scanner: c8c41d73443d38403b24ce38db095521 http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-UiB-SpamFlag: NO UIB: -9.0 hits, 11.0 required X-UiB-SpamReport: spamassassin found; -9.0 -- Message received from UIB X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1274 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jung@uib.no Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jung@uib.no List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi Debbie, [problem: applet freezes after one input line on non-IE browsers] Lennie Irvin wrote: > What version of encore are you using? Perhaps even more important: What applet are you using? MOOtcan? Which version? If you are using 0.50, switch to 0.1.2, that'll do I guess. What Java version do you use (on campus)? If it's the 1.5 pre-release, you'd have to scroll for down for each input line (kind of a bug). What does the Java console tell anyway? HTH, and good luck: - Daniel From rbowman@bridgewater.edu Fri Dec 10 11:19:25 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:19:25 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1287B5BC3 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:19:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA6172C4D for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:19:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21435-01-21 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:19:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from Isis.bridgewater.edu (Isis.bridgewater.edu [147.138.10.100]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B78239F4 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:19:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from physics3.bridgewater.edu (Physics3.bridgewater.edu [147.138.100.144]) by Isis.bridgewater.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBAHJEaK026361 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 12:19:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20041210120702.03337dc8@mail.bridgewater.edu> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 12:19:13 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: "Richard L. Bowman" Subject: [encore] Re: Problems using Encore with browsers other than IE In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20041209004037.00ba12e8@email.psu.edu> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20041209004037.00ba12e8@email.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1275 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: rbowman@Bridgewater.EDU Precedence: bulk Reply-to: rbowman@Bridgewater.EDU List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore I do use Firefox to test web pages, and I just checked out using it with our BC-MOO running enCore 3.3.3. I did find a small frustration that might be the source of problems that Deborah Gill wrote about. The cursor does not stay in the lower left dialogue frame after the execution of a command when using Firefox 1.0 as it does with IE 6. I had to click again in that box to be able to type in a new command or comment. If one selects one of the two other options, other than "none", then one can stay in that box. So if the students are simply talking with each other, have them select "say" and the cursor will stay there. So maybe this is the problem. It is a simple, although a bit frustrating, work around. Maybe someone can look at the appropriate code. Since this is the end of the semester, I don't have the time nor the experience to find it quickly. Richard Bowman Bridgewater College Bridgewater, VA, USA http://www.bridgewater.edu/~rbowman/ From djg25@psu.edu Fri Dec 17 21:35:44 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 17 Dec 2004 21:35:44 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE6DC5BC7 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 21:35:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF199494B for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 21:35:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([129.110.10.17]) by localhost (mf1 [10.110.10.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10716-01-81 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 21:35:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from f04n01.cac.psu.edu (f04s01.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.31]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD4BB39F6 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 21:35:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from DebbiesRoom.psu.edu (access-isdn1-6.ds.psu.edu [146.186.43.200]) by f04n01.cac.psu.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBI3ZYru356898 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 22:35:34 -0500 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20041217220229.01ed70c8@email.psu.edu> X-Sender: djg25@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 22:35:36 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Deborah Gill Subject: [encore] Re: Problems using Encore with browsers other than IE In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20041209061508.02c0a920@accdvm.accd.edu> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20041209004037.00ba12e8@email.psu.edu> <5.2.0.9.2.20041209004037.00ba12e8@email.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1276 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: djg25@psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: djg25@psu.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hello all,

Thanks to all for your responses!  I'm going to try to answer all of the questions here because it is even a bit more perplexing than I thought and I'm not sure if it might be some setting that I have rather than the browsers themselves.  Here goes:

Lennie Irvin wrote:

I'm not sure your problems are having to do with the browser(s).  I'm in enCore with Mozilla Foxfire (Mozilla 5.0) all the time with no problems.  I believe the program is tested to work in as many browsers as possible (Opera, Safari ...), so I think it must be something else. 
It does seem odd, though, that you would not experience the problem in IE.  Perhaps Daniel or others might have more insight into what is going on.  What version of encore are you using?

        For some unknown reason, my MOO no longer works AT ALL neither in Mozilla Foxfire nor in Netscape 7.0 at the University.  Testing it at home, it does not work in Netscape 7.0 (except the "one line" and then nothing).  HOWEVER, I can get into LinguaMOO without any problem...it works perfectly well at home.  Mine and LinguaMOO work just fine in IE in both places.    Both LinguaMOO and World of Diversity (mine--http://diversity.ds.psu.edu:7000) are both running Encore 4.0.1. 

Daniel Jung wrote: 

What version of encore are you using?

Perhaps even more important: What applet are you using? MOOtcan? Which version? If you are using 0.50, switch to 0.1.2, that'll do I guess.
What Java version do you use (on campus)? If it's the 1.5 pre-release, you'd have to scroll for down for each input line (kind of a bug).
What does the Java console tell anyway?

        Daniel, yes, it is MOOtcan.  How can I tell which version it is and, if it is the 0.50, how do I change that?  (Sorry for being so ignorant about this!).  The Java console show "run" errors.  I also just received a message from a teacher saying that he is getting a "DLL file causing an error". 

        I did notice that Netscape 7.0 seems to pick up "Sun Java" when I try to log on to World of Diversity.  Is there a way for this to be overridden?  In IE I know that the IST department had to set IE to take Microsoft VM (JIT Compiler).  Is this the problem and, if so, does anyone have any suggestions on how to fix it? 

        Another question/problem:  When someone goes to log on to World of Diversity, a "blank" pop up comes up and then the "enCoreXpress" pop up sometimes comes up, sometimes doesn't.  Is there a way to get the "blank" pop up not to pop up? 


Thanks to all for your help and comments!   I really appreciate it!

Best to all,

Debbie

Deborah Gill, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor of Spanish
Pennsylvania State University-DuBois
College Place
DuBois, PA 15801
(814) 375-4783
Email: djg25@psu.edu, msdgill@aol.com



"Each of us has an inner dream that we can unfold if
we will just have the courage to admit what it is.
And the faith to trust our own admission. The admitting is often very difficult."

- Julia Cameron -