From Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Wed May 5 08:53:55 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 05 May 2004 08:53:55 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B8F75BE6 for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 08:53:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AE73A73A for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 08:53:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00406-01-14 for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 08:53:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 643843A22 for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 08:53:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from irvin.accdvm.accd.edu [10.1.11.72] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Wed, 05 May 2004 08:53:04 CST Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040505084900.00a68b30@accdvm.accd.edu> X-Sender: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 08:53:12 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Lennie Irvin Subject: [encore] MOO blog? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1063 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore I'm just curious. I seem to remember that Jan was incorporating a blog into EnCore, but I couldn't remember if it was already within EnCore 4 or if it is in the works. I think I remember it is in development. What else is in store for EnCore? Lennie L. Lennie Irvin Department of English, San Antonio College San Antonio, TX http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/ AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/ From Kit@BlackIrish.net Thu May 6 08:09:15 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 06 May 2004 08:09:15 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E09B25BAA for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 08:09:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B15194FF5 for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 08:09:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19977-01-46 for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 08:09:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from us18.unix.fas.harvard.edu (us18.unix.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.35.198]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBC7534F0 for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 08:09:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.168.1.22] (pool-68-163-181-90.bos.east.verizon.net [68.163.181.90]) by us18.unix.fas.harvard.edu (8.11.7p2/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i46D97F09076 for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 09:09:07 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tempest@bb14.betterbox.net Message-Id: x-no-archive: yes Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 09:08:53 -0400 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Kit Subject: [encore] Flash, Shockwave, multilingual? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1064 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Kit@BlackIrish.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Kit@BlackIrish.net List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hey, guys, I've been out of the loop for a bit. I'm taking a multimedia class and want to do a MOO for my final project which is supposed to have a narrative component. So here are some questions: 1) What kind of multimedia objects are available? Would it be easy to have flash or shockwave objects assuming the user had the proper plugins? 2) I have this idea of having my virtual body split into pieces and visitors have to find my pieces and put me back together. I figure I could have a special room with an added verb like 'score' which counts how many pieces of me are in that room. I'd like movies attached to my pieces. I'm not sure if I'd want them to play on a look or if the movie object should have a special verb like 'play'. 3) Is it easy to make objects immovable and doors locked until the user answers a riddle or performs a certain action? 4) Was multilingual support ever added? The last time I played with the code, there was a lot of things hard coded in English. I'll be starting this MOO from scratch, so I don't have to worry about upgrade issues or preserving old objects. I'm sure I'm forgetting some ideas I have, but this is enough for now. Thanks for any help you can give me. (-: From lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Thu May 6 12:27:43 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 06 May 2004 12:27:43 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0096F5BAA for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 12:27:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C49B34E91 for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 12:27:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22174-01-99 for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 12:27:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id B2DE63A2D for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 12:27:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from gh-208-300633.accdvm.accd.edu [10.11.36.41] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Thu, 06 May 2004 12:26:58 CST Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20040506121310.01b4c228@accdvm.accd.edu> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 12:27:21 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Lennie Irvin Subject: [encore] Re: Flash, Shockwave, multilingual? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1065 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hey Kit, It is easy to turn any object into a web or multimedia object simply by changing its parent to a $webpage. Then you paste the HTML code into the description for the object. The object resides inside a room rather than being a room itself. As far as making objects immovable, you can @lock (or press the lock icon ) and the object should stay put. You can certainly lock doors or encrypt objects like letters and such, but I'm not sure about "verbally" being able to open them. I haven't played a lot with encrypting, but my understanding is that to open the encrypted object who you are and what you carry (your object # or the object # of items you are carrying) is what determines if you have rights to open that object. I suppose you could program a verb which was the secret password to open the door or whatever. Then it would be verbal. Here is some more info on "Keys" and encrypting related to using Letters: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/AlaMOOGuide/GenLetter.htm Others would know more about the multilingual question. I know EnCore is used in a lot of different countries. I hope this helps, Lennie At 08:08 AM 5/6/2004, you wrote: >Hey, guys, I've been out of the loop for a bit. I'm taking a multimedia >class and want to do a MOO for my final project which is supposed to have >a narrative component. So here are some questions: > >1) What kind of multimedia objects are available? Would it be easy to >have flash or shockwave objects assuming the user had the proper plugins? > >2) I have this idea of having my virtual body split into pieces and >visitors have to find my pieces and put me back together. I figure I >could have a special room with an added verb like 'score' which counts how >many pieces of me are in that room. > >I'd like movies attached to my pieces. I'm not sure if I'd want them to >play on a look or if the movie object should have a special verb like 'play'. > >3) Is it easy to make objects immovable and doors locked until the user >answers a riddle or performs a certain action? > >4) Was multilingual support ever added? The last time I played with the >code, there was a lot of things hard coded in English. > >I'll be starting this MOO from scratch, so I don't have to worry about >upgrade issues or preserving old objects. > > >I'm sure I'm forgetting some ideas I have, but this is enough for now. > >Thanks for any help you can give me. (-: From j.turner@qut.edu.au Fri May 7 21:25:13 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 07 May 2004 21:25:13 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FB055BAA for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 21:25:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EAFD4C79 for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 21:25:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09978-01-58 for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 21:25:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail-router01.qut.edu.au (mail-router01.qut.edu.au [131.181.254.7]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67FCB35AC for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 21:24:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail-msgstore01.qut.edu.au (mail-msgstore01.qut.edu.au [131.181.254.4]) by mail-router01.qut.edu.au (MOS 3.4.6-GR) with ESMTP id BDU75931; Sat, 8 May 2004 12:24:55 +1000 (EST) Received: from mail-msgstore01.qut.edu.au (localhost.qut.edu.au [127.0.0.1]) by mail-msgstore01.qut.edu.au (MOS 3.4.5-GR) with ESMTP id AZX60795; Sat, 8 May 2004 12:24:54 +1000 (EST) Received: from 131.181.127.33 by mail-msgstore01.qut.edu.au (MOS 3.4.5-GR) with HTTPS/1.1; Sat, 8 May 2004 12:24:54 +1000 Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 12:24:54 +1000 From: "truna aka j.turner" Subject: [encore] Re: Flash, Shockwave, multilingual? To: encore@utdallas.edu X-Mailer: Webmail Mirapoint Direct 3.4.5-GR MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <7b2178a7.3d0aef3e.81c8700@mail-msgstore01.qut.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host=mail-router01.qut.edu.au X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=7.0 tagged_above=3.0 required=8.0 tests=BAYES_99 X-Spam-Level: ******* X-archive-position: 1066 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: j.turner@qut.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-to: j.turner@qut.edu.au List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore hi kit ... i love the idea of putting the body back together ... nice .. i run a course in game design using the moo and the encore interface as a template or prototype environment ... it can really enable some fantastic narratives and some of my students have plotted similar kinds of narrative treasure hunts before ... a key thing that they have discovered is to remember that the whole environment is an illusion based on object numbers ... don't think in terms of actually locking and opening .. use trickery to make it seem so ... so our favorite object for a change in environment factors [opening, closing, lights on and off, bringing up a flash file etc] is to use a teleport object .. so, your player-user finds a piece of body, picks it up and the description changes ... the media file of preference is flash .... you can explore lost cities via a text client - the media is behind a firewall sadly ... lost cities: student.ci.qut.edu.au:7771 it's a design research environment - very much a mess ... we like to call it creative destruction ... :) love truna ******************* http://truna.net it's not a fish ******************* ---- Original message ---- >Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 09:08:53 -0400 >From: Kit >Subject: [encore] Flash, Shockwave, multilingual? >To: encore@utdallas.edu > >Hey, guys, I've been out of the loop for a bit. I'm taking a >multimedia class and want to do a MOO for my final project which is >supposed to have a narrative component. So here are some questions: > >1) What kind of multimedia objects are available? Would it be easy >to have flash or shockwave objects assuming the user had the proper >plugins? > >2) I have this idea of having my virtual body split into pieces and >visitors have to find my pieces and put me back together. I figure I >could have a special room with an added verb like 'score' which >counts how many pieces of me are in that room. > >I'd like movies attached to my pieces. I'm not sure if I'd want them >to play on a look or if the movie object should have a special verb >like 'play'. > >3) Is it easy to make objects immovable and doors locked until the >user answers a riddle or performs a certain action? > >4) Was multilingual support ever added? The last time I played with >the code, there was a lot of things hard coded in English. > >I'll be starting this MOO from scratch, so I don't have to worry >about upgrade issues or preserving old objects. > > >I'm sure I'm forgetting some ideas I have, but this is enough for now. > >Thanks for any help you can give me. (-: > From egoff@mindspring.com Sat May 8 10:11:15 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Sat, 08 May 2004 10:11:15 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 299D65BC3 for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 10:11:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFB3E4E84 for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 10:11:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29371-01-51 for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 10:11:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BBDF35B7 for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 10:11:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.168.167.40] (helo=wamui02.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by granger.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BMTTs-0000aS-00 for encore@utdallas.edu; Sat, 08 May 2004 11:11:12 -0400 Message-ID: <42337.1084029072055.JavaMail.root@wamui02.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 11:11:11 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: egoff@mindspring.com To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] New ideas and ways to use Encore Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1067 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: egoff@mindspring.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: egoff@mindspring.com List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore The information being shared, at Kits request, as to what encore can do is interesting. I have run my own moo for over ten years. I've played with encore a time or two as it progess's and never fully moved Space Conquest, my site, over to encore. With this information I am once again intersted in see what can be done. Anyone who has a moo they want to share I would love to see it as I'm sure Kit would. Sadly the wonderful descriptiveness of Truna's site is unable to be seen in webbed. Anyone else? Thanks Edward Aka ShadowDragon From Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Sun May 9 07:04:20 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Sun, 09 May 2004 07:04:21 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A89B85BAA for ; Sun, 9 May 2004 07:04:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 958AC5B0D for ; Sun, 9 May 2004 07:04:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13658-01-6 for ; Sun, 9 May 2004 07:04:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id D53763386 for ; Sun, 9 May 2004 07:04:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from irvin.accdvm.accd.edu [10.1.11.60] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Sun, 09 May 2004 07:03:40 CST Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040509064406.00a614b0@accdvm.accd.edu> X-Sender: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Sun, 09 May 2004 07:03:53 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Lennie Irvin Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas and ways to use Encore In-Reply-To: <42337.1084029072055.JavaMail.root@wamui02.slb.atl.earthlin k.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.1 tagged_above=3.0 required=8.0 tests=BAYES_80, WEIRD_PORT X-Spam-Level: *** X-archive-position: 1068 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Probably the best place to explore is the mother ship--LinguaMOO http://lingua.utdallas.edu:7000/ EnCore does offer new horizons for MOOing. In short, it brings the "command-line" operation of MOO into the more recent web-application world of point and click and hypermedia. At least that is its goal. Jan has made steady and continuous progress in making EnCore a webMOO. I think EnCore's leap into web MOOing created a lot of interest and new MOOs in the years 1999-2001, but it seems that a lot of these MOOs are shutting down or going dormant. I'm not sure what is going on. I fit this profile I am describing. I began AlaMOO in 2001 with high hopes of making it a resource for my 50,000 student Community College District, but after years of promoting the MOO, I was the only one using it. Then I had technical support problems which my local technicians couldn't handle, and so my MOO is dormant and soon to shut down. I am actively seeking to migrate to another MOO home that will have me. I think EnCore is at a critical juncture--it needs to make more progress in its web integration or it will continue to decline. I think we as a community of users need to come together in a new way to help make this happen. Ideas anyone? Lennie At 11:11 AM 5/8/04 -0400, you wrote: >The information being shared, at Kits request, as to what encore can do is >interesting. I have run my own moo for over ten years. I've played with >encore a time or two as it progess's and never fully moved Space Conquest, >my site, over to encore. With this information I am once again intersted >in see what can be done. Anyone who has a moo they want to share I would >love to see it as I'm sure Kit would. Sadly the wonderful descriptiveness >of Truna's site is unable to be seen in webbed. > > >Anyone else? > > >Thanks > >Edward Aka ShadowDragon L. Lennie Irvin Department of English, San Antonio College San Antonio, TX http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/ AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/ From Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Mon May 10 05:56:29 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 10 May 2004 05:56:30 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE0905BAA for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 05:56:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78EE3C89 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 05:56:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29825-01-30 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 05:56:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 8FFA1342E for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 05:56:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from irvin.accdvm.accd.edu [10.1.11.16] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Mon, 10 May 2004 05:55:47 CST Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040510052350.00a65b10@accdvm.accd.edu> X-Sender: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 05:55:54 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Lennie Irvin Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas and ways to use Encore In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-Spam-Status: Yes, hits=8.4 tagged_above=3.0 required=8.0 tests=BAYES_99, WEIRD_PORT X-Spam-Level: ******** X-Spam-Flag: YES X-archive-position: 1069 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore I'm not sure I can give you an unbiased answer. Our students (who we coerce to use the MOO) probably would be able to give us the best answer. My students actually like the MOO. Speaking for Encore only, the problem, I think, in general is the MOO is technically still too difficult (or too foreign) to use. A lot has been done to make the program more intuitive (like the MY STUFF button enabling easy management of one's objects and the icons at the top of objects now), but a lot of the program is still command line. Throughout the MOO with all the generic objects there needs to be an easy point and click way to activate commands (verbs) on objects. Jan has made good and steady progress on this front, but more has to be done. I think also for EnCore's use in Education it needs to at least be able to offer comprehensive features like the course platform software tools like Blackboard or WebCT. That means upgrading the Mail system to enable threaded messaging (or integrating within the MOO an open source bulletin board). It means revising or replacing the Virtual Assignment Server Environment so that students can easily upload documents into the MOO (this could also be uploading graphics perhaps for inclusion into the MOO as they build themselves). Could there be a file upload object that contained the engine for uploading documents? It would be something like a noteboard so that all the uploaded files show within it. The last feature needed would be some sort of testing tool (and I guess a gradebook). With these features, enCore would have pretty much all the functionality of any course platform. I feel like a new effort toward enCore is needed (not necessarily to do the things I have described). I propose we form a consortium or alliance of schools interested in using enCore, define clear goals for the progress of enCore, apply for grant funding, and then farm out these grant dollars to pay for programming. Imagine that--programmers getting paid! Lennie At 04:44 PM 5/9/04 -0300, you wrote: >Lennie, > >You raise a very interesting question that has bothered me for a very long >time: Why are not MOOs much more popular than they are? They appear to be >an ideal environment for collaboration and socialization and yet there is >not much interest in them. Can you suggest an unbiased answer? Maybe if we >can anser this, we can find a way to make them popular. > >Ivan > >Ivan Tomek >School of Computer Science >Acadia University >Canada > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu]On > > Behalf Of Lennie Irvin > > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 8:04 AM > > To: encore@utdallas.edu > > Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas and ways to use Encore > > > > > > Probably the best place to explore is the mother > > ship--LinguaMOO http://lingua.utdallas.edu:7000/ > > > > EnCore does offer new horizons for MOOing. In short, it brings the > > "command-line" operation of MOO into the more recent > > web-application world > > of point and click and hypermedia. At least that is its > > goal. Jan has > > made steady and continuous progress in making EnCore a webMOO. > > > > I think EnCore's leap into web MOOing created a lot of > > interest and new > > MOOs in the years 1999-2001, but it seems that a lot of these > > MOOs are > > shutting down or going dormant. I'm not sure what is going > > on. I fit this > > profile I am describing. I began AlaMOO in 2001 with high > > hopes of making > > it a resource for my 50,000 student Community College > > District, but after > > years of promoting the MOO, I was the only one using it. Then I had > > technical support problems which my local technicians > > couldn't handle, and > > so my MOO is dormant and soon to shut down. I am actively seeking to > > migrate to another MOO home that will have me. > > > > I think EnCore is at a critical juncture--it needs to make > > more progress in > > its web integration or it will continue to decline. I think we as a > > community of users need to come together in a new way to help > > make this > > happen. Ideas anyone? > > > > Lennie > > > > At 11:11 AM 5/8/04 -0400, you wrote: > > >The information being shared, at Kits request, as to what > > encore can do is > > >interesting. I have run my own moo for over ten years. I've > > played with > > >encore a time or two as it progess's and never fully moved > > Space Conquest, > > >my site, over to encore. With this information I am once > > again intersted > > >in see what can be done. Anyone who has a moo they want to > > share I would > > >love to see it as I'm sure Kit would. Sadly the wonderful > > descriptiveness > > >of Truna's site is unable to be seen in webbed. > > > > > > > > >Anyone else? > > > > > > > > >Thanks > > > > > >Edward Aka ShadowDragon > > > > L. Lennie Irvin > > Department of English, San Antonio College > > San Antonio, TX > > > > http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/ > > AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/ > > > > > > > > L. Lennie Irvin Department of English, San Antonio College San Antonio, TX http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/ AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/ From sir.van@uol.com.br Mon May 10 08:13:06 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 10 May 2004 08:13:06 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89D275BAA for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 08:13:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 595C65601 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 08:13:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09446-01-64 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 08:13:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from smtp.uol.com.br (smtpout2.uol.com.br [200.221.11.55]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFB05353D for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 08:12:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from HAL9000 (200-158-201-50.dsl.telesp.net.br [200.158.201.50]) by scorpion2.uol.com.br (Postfix) with SMTP id 29E518A16; Mon, 10 May 2004 10:12:18 -0300 (BRT) Message-ID: <003201c43690$69e4cf50$a300a8c0@HAL9000> From: "Van" To: Cc: References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040510052350.00a65b10@accdvm.accd.edu> Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas and ways to use Encore Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 10:11:53 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-Spam-Status: Yes, hits=9.9 tagged_above=3.0 required=8.0 tests=BAYES_99, RCVD_IN_SORBS, WEIRD_PORT X-Spam-Level: ********* X-Spam-Flag: YES X-archive-position: 1070 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: sir.van@uol.com.br Precedence: bulk Reply-to: sir.van@uol.com.br List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore I Tottally agree with you, Lennie! And I volunteer myself to help as teacher who use Encore for Foreign Language Teaching & learning. I would add one more feature to your list: voice chat. Very useful for ESL/EFL. Van FatecMOO Adm. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lennie Irvin" To: Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 7:55 AM Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas and ways to use Encore > I'm not sure I can give you an unbiased answer. Our students (who we > coerce to use the MOO) probably would be able to give us the best > answer. My students actually like the MOO. > > Speaking for Encore only, the problem, I think, in general is the MOO is > technically still too difficult (or too foreign) to use. A lot has been > done to make the program more intuitive (like the MY STUFF button enabling > easy management of one's objects and the icons at the top of objects now), > but a lot of the program is still command line. Throughout the MOO with > all the generic objects there needs to be an easy point and click way to > activate commands (verbs) on objects. Jan has made good and steady > progress on this front, but more has to be done. > > I think also for EnCore's use in Education it needs to at least be able to > offer comprehensive features like the course platform software tools like > Blackboard or WebCT. That means upgrading the Mail system to enable > threaded messaging (or integrating within the MOO an open source bulletin > board). It means revising or replacing the Virtual Assignment Server > Environment so that students can easily upload documents into the MOO (this > could also be uploading graphics perhaps for inclusion into the MOO as they > build themselves). Could there be a file upload object that contained the > engine for uploading documents? It would be something like a noteboard so > that all the uploaded files show within it. The last feature needed would > be some sort of testing tool (and I guess a gradebook). With these > features, enCore would have pretty much all the functionality of any course > platform. > > I feel like a new effort toward enCore is needed (not necessarily to do the > things I have described). I propose we form a consortium or alliance of > schools interested in using enCore, define clear goals for the progress of > enCore, apply for grant funding, and then farm out these grant dollars to > pay for programming. Imagine that--programmers getting paid! > > Lennie > > > > At 04:44 PM 5/9/04 -0300, you wrote: > >Lennie, > > > >You raise a very interesting question that has bothered me for a very long > >time: Why are not MOOs much more popular than they are? They appear to be > >an ideal environment for collaboration and socialization and yet there is > >not much interest in them. Can you suggest an unbiased answer? Maybe if we > >can anser this, we can find a way to make them popular. > > > >Ivan > > > >Ivan Tomek > >School of Computer Science > >Acadia University > >Canada > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu]On > > > Behalf Of Lennie Irvin > > > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 8:04 AM > > > To: encore@utdallas.edu > > > Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas and ways to use Encore > > > > > > > > > Probably the best place to explore is the mother > > > ship--LinguaMOO http://lingua.utdallas.edu:7000/ > > > > > > EnCore does offer new horizons for MOOing. In short, it brings the > > > "command-line" operation of MOO into the more recent > > > web-application world > > > of point and click and hypermedia. At least that is its > > > goal. Jan has > > > made steady and continuous progress in making EnCore a webMOO. > > > > > > I think EnCore's leap into web MOOing created a lot of > > > interest and new > > > MOOs in the years 1999-2001, but it seems that a lot of these > > > MOOs are > > > shutting down or going dormant. I'm not sure what is going > > > on. I fit this > > > profile I am describing. I began AlaMOO in 2001 with high > > > hopes of making > > > it a resource for my 50,000 student Community College > > > District, but after > > > years of promoting the MOO, I was the only one using it. Then I had > > > technical support problems which my local technicians > > > couldn't handle, and > > > so my MOO is dormant and soon to shut down. I am actively seeking to > > > migrate to another MOO home that will have me. > > > > > > I think EnCore is at a critical juncture--it needs to make > > > more progress in > > > its web integration or it will continue to decline. I think we as a > > > community of users need to come together in a new way to help > > > make this > > > happen. Ideas anyone? > > > > > > Lennie > > > > > > At 11:11 AM 5/8/04 -0400, you wrote: > > > >The information being shared, at Kits request, as to what > > > encore can do is > > > >interesting. I have run my own moo for over ten years. I've > > > played with > > > >encore a time or two as it progess's and never fully moved > > > Space Conquest, > > > >my site, over to encore. With this information I am once > > > again intersted > > > >in see what can be done. Anyone who has a moo they want to > > > share I would > > > >love to see it as I'm sure Kit would. Sadly the wonderful > > > descriptiveness > > > >of Truna's site is unable to be seen in webbed. > > > > > > > > > > > >Anyone else? > > > > > > > > > > > >Thanks > > > > > > > >Edward Aka ShadowDragon > > > > > > L. Lennie Irvin > > > Department of English, San Antonio College > > > San Antonio, TX > > > > > > http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/ > > > AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L. Lennie Irvin > Department of English, San Antonio College > San Antonio, TX > > http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/ > AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/ > > > From raking@office.uncg.edu Mon May 10 08:39:37 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 10 May 2004 08:39:37 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FE9B5BAA for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 08:39:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10C39A8E7 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 08:39:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12856-01-32 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 08:39:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from smtp.uncg.edu (external-gw.uncg.edu [152.13.2.70]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E39A3574 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 08:39:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from office.uncg.edu (office.uncg.edu [152.13.5.17]) by smtp.uncg.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i4ADdSIE002000 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 09:39:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from UNCG3-MTA by office.uncg.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 10 May 2004 09:39:27 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.5 Beta Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 09:39:13 -0400 From: "Robert King" To: Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas / Moodle Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-RAVMilter-Version: 8.4.2(snapshot 20021217) (external-gw) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-Spam-Status: Yes, hits=8.4 tagged_above=3.0 required=8.0 tests=BAYES_99, WEIRD_PORT X-Spam-Level: ******** X-Spam-Flag: YES X-archive-position: 1071 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: raking@office.uncg.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: raking@office.uncg.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Regarding Lennie's message, what do you all know about pen source course = management platforms (like Blackboard/WebCT) ______________________________________ Bob King eLearning Consultant School of Education University of North Carolina at Greensboro bob_king@uncg.edu (336) 256-0415 Director Interdisciplinary Center for eLearning (ICE) University of North Carolina at Greensboro http://ice.uncg.edu >>> Lennie Irvin 05/10/04 06:55AM >>> Does anyone have experience or ideas about using MOO in conjuction with = Moodle? The latter being an open source course management system (similar = to Blackboard/WebCT). The web address for Moodle is: http://moodle.org/ Speaking for Encore only, the problem, I think, in general is the MOO = is=20 technically still too difficult (or too foreign) to use. A lot has been=20 done to make the program more intuitive (like the MY STUFF button = enabling=20 easy management of one's objects and the icons at the top of objects = now),=20 but a lot of the program is still command line. Throughout the MOO = with=20 all the generic objects there needs to be an easy point and click way = to=20 activate commands (verbs) on objects. Jan has made good and steady=20 progress on this front, but more has to be done. I think also for EnCore's use in Education it needs to at least be able = to=20 offer comprehensive features like the course platform software tools = like=20 Blackboard or WebCT. That means upgrading the Mail system to enable=20 threaded messaging (or integrating within the MOO an open source = bulletin=20 board). It means revising or replacing the Virtual Assignment Server=20 Environment so that students can easily upload documents into the MOO = (this=20 could also be uploading graphics perhaps for inclusion into the MOO as = they=20 build themselves). Could there be a file upload object that contained = the=20 engine for uploading documents? It would be something like a noteboard = so=20 that all the uploaded files show within it. The last feature needed = would=20 be some sort of testing tool (and I guess a gradebook). With these=20 features, enCore would have pretty much all the functionality of any = course=20 platform. I feel like a new effort toward enCore is needed (not necessarily to do = the=20 things I have described). I propose we form a consortium or alliance = of=20 schools interested in using enCore, define clear goals for the progress = of=20 enCore, apply for grant funding, and then farm out these grant dollars = to=20 pay for programming. Imagine that--programmers getting paid! Lennie At 04:44 PM 5/9/04 -0300, you wrote: >Lennie, > >You raise a very interesting question that has bothered me for a very = long=20 >time: Why are not MOOs much more popular than they are? They appear to = be=20 >an ideal environment for collaboration and socialization and yet there = is=20 >not much interest in them. Can you suggest an unbiased answer? Maybe if = we=20 >can anser this, we can find a way to make them popular. > >Ivan > >Ivan Tomek >School of Computer Science >Acadia University >Canada > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu]On= =20 > > Behalf Of Lennie Irvin > > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 8:04 AM > > To: encore@utdallas.edu=20 > > Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas and ways to use Encore > > > > > > Probably the best place to explore is the mother > > ship--LinguaMOO http://lingua.utdallas.edu:7000/=20 > > > > EnCore does offer new horizons for MOOing. In short, it brings the > > "command-line" operation of MOO into the more recent > > web-application world > > of point and click and hypermedia. At least that is its > > goal. Jan has > > made steady and continuous progress in making EnCore a webMOO. > > > > I think EnCore's leap into web MOOing created a lot of > > interest and new > > MOOs in the years 1999-2001, but it seems that a lot of these > > MOOs are > > shutting down or going dormant. I'm not sure what is going > > on. I fit this > > profile I am describing. I began AlaMOO in 2001 with high > > hopes of making > > it a resource for my 50,000 student Community College > > District, but after > > years of promoting the MOO, I was the only one using it. Then I had > > technical support problems which my local technicians > > couldn't handle, and > > so my MOO is dormant and soon to shut down. I am actively seeking to > > migrate to another MOO home that will have me. > > > > I think EnCore is at a critical juncture--it needs to make > > more progress in > > its web integration or it will continue to decline. I think we as a > > community of users need to come together in a new way to help > > make this > > happen. Ideas anyone? > > > > Lennie > > > > At 11:11 AM 5/8/04 -0400, you wrote: > > >The information being shared, at Kits request, as to what > > encore can do is > > >interesting. I have run my own moo for over ten years. I've > > played with > > >encore a time or two as it progess's and never fully moved > > Space Conquest, > > >my site, over to encore. With this information I am once > > again intersted > > >in see what can be done. Anyone who has a moo they want to > > share I would > > >love to see it as I'm sure Kit would. Sadly the wonderful > > descriptiveness > > >of Truna's site is unable to be seen in webbed. > > > > > > > > >Anyone else? > > > > > > > > >Thanks > > > > > >Edward Aka ShadowDragon > > > > L. Lennie Irvin > > Department of English, San Antonio College > > San Antonio, TX > > > > http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/=20 > > AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/=20 > > > > > > > > L. Lennie Irvin Department of English, San Antonio College San Antonio, TX http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/=20 AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/=20 From raking@office.uncg.edu Mon May 10 08:44:10 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 10 May 2004 08:44:10 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D1045BAA for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 08:44:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F8CDA1A7 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 08:44:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12555-01-77 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 08:44:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from smtp.uncg.edu (external-gw.uncg.edu [152.13.2.70]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A0E135B7 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 08:44:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from office.uncg.edu (office.uncg.edu [152.13.5.17]) by smtp.uncg.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i4ADi2IE004823 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 09:44:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from UNCG3-MTA by office.uncg.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 10 May 2004 09:44:02 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.5 Beta Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 09:43:18 -0400 From: "Robert King" To: , Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas / consortium Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-RAVMilter-Version: 8.4.2(snapshot 20021217) (external-gw) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-Spam-Status: Yes, hits=8.4 tagged_above=3.0 required=8.0 tests=BAYES_99, WEIRD_PORT X-Spam-Level: ******** X-Spam-Flag: YES X-archive-position: 1072 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: raking@office.uncg.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: raking@office.uncg.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore I'm interested in being part of discussions re: forming a consortium to = pursue MOO research and development projects. I'm currrently directing an = eLearning research center on my campus. ______________________________________ Bob King eLearning Consultant School of Education University of North Carolina at Greensboro bob_king@uncg.edu (336) 256-0415 Director Interdisciplinary Center for eLearning (ICE) University of North Carolina at Greensboro http://ice.uncg.edu >>> Lennie Irvin 05/10/04 06:55AM >>> I'm not sure I can give you an unbiased answer. Our students (who we=20 coerce to use the MOO) probably would be able to give us the best=20 answer. My students actually like the MOO. Speaking for Encore only, the problem, I think, in general is the MOO = is=20 technically still too difficult (or too foreign) to use. A lot has been=20 done to make the program more intuitive (like the MY STUFF button = enabling=20 easy management of one's objects and the icons at the top of objects = now),=20 but a lot of the program is still command line. Throughout the MOO = with=20 all the generic objects there needs to be an easy point and click way = to=20 activate commands (verbs) on objects. Jan has made good and steady=20 progress on this front, but more has to be done. I think also for EnCore's use in Education it needs to at least be able = to=20 offer comprehensive features like the course platform software tools = like=20 Blackboard or WebCT. That means upgrading the Mail system to enable=20 threaded messaging (or integrating within the MOO an open source = bulletin=20 board). It means revising or replacing the Virtual Assignment Server=20 Environment so that students can easily upload documents into the MOO = (this=20 could also be uploading graphics perhaps for inclusion into the MOO as = they=20 build themselves). Could there be a file upload object that contained = the=20 engine for uploading documents? It would be something like a noteboard = so=20 that all the uploaded files show within it. The last feature needed = would=20 be some sort of testing tool (and I guess a gradebook). With these=20 features, enCore would have pretty much all the functionality of any = course=20 platform. I feel like a new effort toward enCore is needed (not necessarily to do = the=20 things I have described). I propose we form a consortium or alliance = of=20 schools interested in using enCore, define clear goals for the progress = of=20 enCore, apply for grant funding, and then farm out these grant dollars = to=20 pay for programming. Imagine that--programmers getting paid! Lennie At 04:44 PM 5/9/04 -0300, you wrote: >Lennie, > >You raise a very interesting question that has bothered me for a very = long=20 >time: Why are not MOOs much more popular than they are? They appear to = be=20 >an ideal environment for collaboration and socialization and yet there = is=20 >not much interest in them. Can you suggest an unbiased answer? Maybe if = we=20 >can anser this, we can find a way to make them popular. > >Ivan > >Ivan Tomek >School of Computer Science >Acadia University >Canada > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu]On= =20 > > Behalf Of Lennie Irvin > > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 8:04 AM > > To: encore@utdallas.edu=20 > > Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas and ways to use Encore > > > > > > Probably the best place to explore is the mother > > ship--LinguaMOO http://lingua.utdallas.edu:7000/=20 > > > > EnCore does offer new horizons for MOOing. In short, it brings the > > "command-line" operation of MOO into the more recent > > web-application world > > of point and click and hypermedia. At least that is its > > goal. Jan has > > made steady and continuous progress in making EnCore a webMOO. > > > > I think EnCore's leap into web MOOing created a lot of > > interest and new > > MOOs in the years 1999-2001, but it seems that a lot of these > > MOOs are > > shutting down or going dormant. I'm not sure what is going > > on. I fit this > > profile I am describing. I began AlaMOO in 2001 with high > > hopes of making > > it a resource for my 50,000 student Community College > > District, but after > > years of promoting the MOO, I was the only one using it. Then I had > > technical support problems which my local technicians > > couldn't handle, and > > so my MOO is dormant and soon to shut down. I am actively seeking to > > migrate to another MOO home that will have me. > > > > I think EnCore is at a critical juncture--it needs to make > > more progress in > > its web integration or it will continue to decline. I think we as a > > community of users need to come together in a new way to help > > make this > > happen. Ideas anyone? > > > > Lennie > > > > At 11:11 AM 5/8/04 -0400, you wrote: > > >The information being shared, at Kits request, as to what > > encore can do is > > >interesting. I have run my own moo for over ten years. I've > > played with > > >encore a time or two as it progess's and never fully moved > > Space Conquest, > > >my site, over to encore. With this information I am once > > again intersted > > >in see what can be done. Anyone who has a moo they want to > > share I would > > >love to see it as I'm sure Kit would. Sadly the wonderful > > descriptiveness > > >of Truna's site is unable to be seen in webbed. > > > > > > > > >Anyone else? > > > > > > > > >Thanks > > > > > >Edward Aka ShadowDragon > > > > L. Lennie Irvin > > Department of English, San Antonio College > > San Antonio, TX > > > > http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/=20 > > AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/=20 > > > > > > > > L. Lennie Irvin Department of English, San Antonio College San Antonio, TX http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/=20 AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/=20 From raking@office.uncg.edu Mon May 10 08:49:10 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 10 May 2004 08:49:10 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A11D85BAA for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 08:49:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 727C0A4B2 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 08:49:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12856-01-86 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 08:49:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from smtp.uncg.edu (external-gw.uncg.edu [152.13.2.70]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5974D355B for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 08:49:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from office.uncg.edu (office.uncg.edu [152.13.5.17]) by smtp.uncg.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i4ADn5IE008250 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 09:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from UNCG3-MTA by office.uncg.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 10 May 2004 09:49:05 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.5 Beta Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 09:48:58 -0400 From: "Robert King" To: Subject: [encore] Re: new ideas / Moodle (trying again) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-RAVMilter-Version: 8.4.2(snapshot 20021217) (external-gw) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1073 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: raking@office.uncg.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: raking@office.uncg.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Sorry for my botched email message. Here is what I was trying to type... Does anyone have experience or ideas about using MOO in conjuction with = Moodle? The latter being an open source course management system (similar = to Blackboard/WebCT). The web address for Moodle is: http://moodle.org/=20 ______________________________________ Bob King eLearning Consultant School of Education University of North Carolina at Greensboro bob_king@uncg.edu (336) 256-0415 Director Interdisciplinary Center for eLearning (ICE) University of North Carolina at Greensboro http://ice.uncg.edu From Kit@BlackIrish.net Mon May 10 08:51:09 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 10 May 2004 08:51:09 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 623295BAA for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 08:51:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34050A529 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 08:51:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13157-01-81 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 08:51:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from us20.unix.fas.harvard.edu (us20.unix.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.35.200]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 970D935A7 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 08:51:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.168.1.22] (pool-68-163-181-90.bos.east.verizon.net [68.163.181.90]) by us20.unix.fas.harvard.edu (8.11.7p2/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4ADp5a19671 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 09:51:05 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tempest@bb14.betterbox.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003201c43690$69e4cf50$a300a8c0@HAL9000> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040510052350.00a65b10@accdvm.accd.edu> <003201c43690$69e4cf50$a300a8c0@HAL9000> x-no-archive: yes Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 09:50:48 -0400 To: From: Kit Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas and ways to use Encore Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1074 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Kit@BlackIrish.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Kit@BlackIrish.net List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore At 10:11 AM -0300 5/10/04, Van wrote: >I Tottally agree with you, Lennie! And I volunteer myself >to help as teacher who use Encore for Foreign Language >Teaching & learning. I would add one more feature to >your list: voice chat. Very useful for ESL/EFL. > >Van Did you change the interface to a foreign language, or is it still in English? From sir.van@uol.com.br Mon May 10 09:22:44 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 10 May 2004 09:22:44 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 036B05BAA for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 09:22:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4E23A9AF for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 09:22:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 18004-01-24 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 09:22:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from smtp.uol.com.br (smtpout2.uol.com.br [200.221.11.55]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 733C3342E for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 09:22:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from HAL9000 (200-158-201-50.dsl.telesp.net.br [200.158.201.50]) by scorpion2.uol.com.br (Postfix) with SMTP id 26024834B for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 11:22:17 -0300 (BRT) Message-ID: <005b01c4369a$30313050$a300a8c0@HAL9000> From: "Van" To: References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040510052350.00a65b10@accdvm.accd.edu> <003201c43690$69e4cf50$a300a8c0@HAL9000> Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas and ways to use Encore Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 11:22:10 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1075 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: sir.van@uol.com.br Precedence: bulk Reply-to: sir.van@uol.com.br List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Well, I administrate two educational MOOs. In one of them we are on the process of compiling a version of lambda server that accepts accents, since that MOO will be used to teach Portuguese as a foreign language. In the case of FatecMOO which is used to ESL/EFL we wouldn't need to change the interface, but since itīs an Educational AND social MOO, we translated some comands and code chunks. Van ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kit" To: Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 10:50 AM Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas and ways to use Encore > At 10:11 AM -0300 5/10/04, Van wrote: > >I Tottally agree with you, Lennie! And I volunteer myself > >to help as teacher who use Encore for Foreign Language > >Teaching & learning. I would add one more feature to > >your list: voice chat. Very useful for ESL/EFL. > > > >Van > > Did you change the interface to a foreign language, or is it still in English? > > From bmcman@optonline.net Mon May 10 12:09:16 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 10 May 2004 12:09:16 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA4065BAA for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 12:09:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB8EDA999 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 12:09:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08648-01-46 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 12:09:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.75]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3CD33561 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 12:09:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from optonline.net (ool-44c66253.dyn.optonline.net [68.198.98.83]) by mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0HXI00FUUCYQAO@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for encore@utdallas.edu; Mon, 10 May 2004 13:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 13:09:04 -0400 From: "Barbara F. McManus" Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas and ways to use Encore In-reply-to: <005b01c4369a$30313050$a300a8c0@HAL9000> To: encore@utdallas.edu Message-id: <409FB730.5070409@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040510052350.00a65b10@accdvm.accd.edu> <003201c43690$69e4cf50$a300a8c0@HAL9000> <005b01c4369a$30313050$a300a8c0@HAL9000> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=6.5 tagged_above=3.0 required=8.0 tests=BAYES_50, RCVD_IN_SORBS, UTD_FOCUS_1 X-Spam-Level: ****** X-archive-position: 1076 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: bmcman@optonline.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: bmcman@optonline.net List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore With regard to other languages -- In VRoma, which deals with Roman culture as well as the Latin language, we use the English interface generally but make it possible for certain spaces to be used exclusively for Latin. We modified $room to create a generic Latinroom which will print out messages in Latin instead of English. Also, we modified $bot to create a generic Latinbot whose preprogrammed messages are all in Latin. This makes it possible for builders to create Latin-only spaces and bots fairly easily. I think this general discussion about cooperating and collaborating to keep the Encore MOO as a viable educational tool is very valuable. The MOO contributes an interactivity and scope for imaginative engagement that is not easy to find in other Internet tools, no matter how snazzy or cutting edge they might be. I agree with Lennie, however, that there is a lot more that could be done to make the MOO easier for the average user. We at VRoma would be happy to participate in the kind of consortium that Lennie proposes. One thing that I personally could really use (and I may not be alone in this) is a comprehensive introduction to MOO programming, with plenty of concrete examples, written for someone who is not already a programmer. The tutorials that I have found are either too simple (and often too silly) to be really useful, or don't give enough information, in clear language and with examples, for a person who doesn't think 'foobar' is a word. Apropos of a question earlier asked by Kit, I have been trying to create a game in which a user could move through various stages (rooms devoted to different aspects of Roman culture) on a quest to obtain the iron ring of Roman citizenship. I envision the player entering a room, being asked a question which, if correctly answered, gives the player a talisman that would unlock the door to the next room. When this object is handed in, the player would then get the next question, until the player has successfully navigated through all the rooms and handed in the last talisman to receive his/her ring of citizenship. However, I can't figure out how to program the game. If a couple of experienced programmers could program a framework like this, I would imagine that many MOOs could adapt the content to their own themes. So I guess I'm saying that we need some more imaginative tools along with more mundane educational functions like threaded messaging and file uploading. Barbara -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Barbara F. McManus, Professor of Classics Emerita The College of New Rochelle, New Rochelle, NY 10805 Co-Director, The VRoma Project or http://www.cnr.edu/home/bmcmanus/ http://www.vroma.org/~bmcmanus/ From ps138792@ohio.edu Mon May 10 14:53:53 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 10 May 2004 19:48:58 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49DFD5BAA for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:53:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7322A123 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:53:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01718-01-32 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:53:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from oak3a.cats.ohiou.edu (oak3a.cats.ohiou.edu [132.235.8.151]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFE0C353D for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:53:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 132.235.73.64 by pm6 for 1s (PureMessage); Mon May 10 15:30:22 2004 Received: from PAUL1 (dhcp-073-064.ellis.ohiou.edu [132.235.73.64]) (authenticated bits=0) by oak2a.cats.ohiou.edu (8.12.8-OU/8.12.8-OU) with ESMTP id i4AJUM2g1058364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 15:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 15:30:22 -0400 From: Paul Shovlin To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas and ways to use Encore Message-ID: <8042494.1084203022@PAUL1> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.0 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-PMX-Version: 4.6.0.97784, Antispam-Core: 4.6.0.97340, Antispam-Data: 2004.5.10.100269 (pm6) X-PMX-Information: http://www.cns.ohiou.edu/email/spam-virus.html X-PMX-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIIII, Probability=8%, Report='FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.001, __TO_MALFORMED_2 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __EVITE_CTYPE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CD 0, __UNUSABLE_MSGID 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0' X-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, PureMessage (score=0, required 5) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1077 X-Approved-By: cynthiah@utdallas.edu X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: ps138792@ohio.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: ps138792@ohio.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore I just wanted to voice my support for what others have been calling for. I would be really interested to participate in Lennie's idea of a consortium. In addition, I'm interested in the basic but new MOO programming guide that Barbara calls for. I like her quest idea and would like to begin building educational sites for learning in the MOO that operate under some of the same principles as the good old hack and slash MUDs... Paul Shovlin Ohio University From rbroglio@earthlink.net Mon May 10 19:22:14 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 10 May 2004 19:52:58 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FD5A5BAA for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 19:22:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE71E558F for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 19:22:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01716-01-89 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 19:22:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.46]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F8193561 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 19:22:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from h-68-165-9-185.atlngahp.dynamic.covad.net ([68.165.9.185] helo=[172.16.1.16]) by grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BNL27-0004Q4-00; Mon, 10 May 2004 17:22:07 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <409FB730.5070409@optonline.net> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040510052350.00a65b10@accdvm.accd.edu> <003201c43690$69e4cf50$a300a8c0@HAL9000> <005b01c4369a$30313050$a300a8c0@HAL9000> <409FB730.5070409@optonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ron Broglio Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas and ways to use Encore Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 20:25:09 -0400 To: encore@utdallas.edu, bmcman@optonline.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=5.0 tagged_above=3.0 required=8.0 tests=BAYES_50, UTD_FOCUS_1 X-Spam-Level: ***** X-archive-position: 1078 X-Approved-By: cynthiah@utdallas.edu X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: rbroglio@earthlink.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: rbroglio@earthlink.net List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Barbara, The folks at Romantic Circle's Villa Diodati MOO spend a lot of time creating games and having their students create games. It is something I continue to play with, present at conferences, and write about. Perhaps the easiest way to create games is through the moveto verb. I have a list of very simple verbs for games at http://www.lcc.gatech.edu/~broglio/moo/other_verbs.html and http://www.lcc.gatech.edu/~broglio/moo/cow_milk.html You can teleport people or objects. I've even played with teleporting exit doors to advance a game. Immersive play seems like a strong component in MOOing. It would be great to have a board where folks can post innovative code that others can then use in their MOOs. Ron Ron Broglio http://www.lcc.gatech.edu/~broglio School of LCC Georgia Tech On May 10, 2004, at 1:09 PM, Barbara F. McManus wrote: > With regard to other languages -- In VRoma, which deals with Roman > culture as well as the Latin language, we use the English interface > generally but make it possible for certain spaces to be used > exclusively for Latin. We modified $room to create a generic > Latinroom which will print out messages in Latin instead of English. > Also, we modified $bot to create a generic Latinbot whose > preprogrammed messages are all in Latin. This makes it possible for > builders to create Latin-only spaces and bots fairly easily. > > I think this general discussion about cooperating and collaborating to > keep the Encore MOO as a viable educational tool is very valuable. > The MOO contributes an interactivity and scope for imaginative > engagement that is not easy to find in other Internet tools, no matter > how snazzy or cutting edge they might be. I agree with Lennie, > however, that there is a lot more that could be done to make the MOO > easier for the average user. We at VRoma would be happy to > participate in the kind of consortium that Lennie proposes. > One thing that I personally could really use (and I may not be alone > in this) is a comprehensive introduction to MOO programming, with > plenty of concrete examples, written for someone who is not already a > programmer. The tutorials that I have found are either too simple > (and often too silly) to be really useful, or don't give enough > information, in clear language and with examples, for a person who > doesn't think 'foobar' is a word. > Apropos of a question earlier asked by Kit, I have been trying to > create a game in which a user could move through various stages (rooms > devoted to different aspects of Roman culture) on a quest to obtain > the iron ring of Roman citizenship. I envision the player entering a > room, being asked a question which, if correctly answered, gives the > player a talisman that would unlock the door to the next room. When > this object is handed in, the player would then get the next question, > until the player has successfully navigated through all the rooms and > handed in the last talisman to receive his/her ring of citizenship. > However, I can't figure out how to program the game. If a couple of > experienced programmers could program a framework like this, I would > imagine that many MOOs could adapt the content to their own themes. > So I guess I'm saying that we need some more imaginative tools along > with more mundane educational functions like threaded messaging and > file uploading. Barbara > > -- > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Barbara F. McManus, Professor of Classics Emerita > The College of New Rochelle, New Rochelle, NY 10805 > Co-Director, The VRoma Project > or > http://www.cnr.edu/home/bmcmanus/ > http://www.vroma.org/~bmcmanus/ > > > > > From KEustace@csu.edu.au Mon May 10 20:49:30 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 10 May 2004 20:49:30 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 126525BAA for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 20:49:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6B0653AE for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 20:49:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10424-01-37 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 20:49:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from csunw.riv.csu.edu.au (csunw.riv.csu.edu.au [137.166.76.1]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87280342E for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 20:49:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from XCWW01.CSUMain.csu.edu.au (xcww01.riv.csu.edu.au [137.166.216.22]) by csunw.riv.csu.edu.au (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i4B1n3k6025947 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 11:49:04 +1000 (EST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas / consortium Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 11:49:03 +1000 Message-ID: <8C2D9A2B9988B342BD8BAABEF0C83DB605BA8C@xcww01.riv.csu.edu.au> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [encore] Re: New ideas / consortium Thread-Index: AcQ2lPRrzfyunvlZSdC5vBPIwP1apwAYeL+w From: "Eustace, Ken" To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-Spam-Status: Yes, hits=8.4 tagged_above=3.0 required=8.0 tests=BAYES_99, WEIRD_PORT X-Spam-Level: ******** X-Spam-Flag: YES X-archive-position: 1079 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: KEustace@csu.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-to: KEustace@csu.edu.au List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi all, Some motivating ideas and good to hear from so many. I would like to add the interest and support of the ISPG (Internet Special Project Group) at Charles Sturt University in the new ideas/consortium for MOO R&D projects proposal that is developing. Our first MOO is still non-enCore as AussieMOO is 10 years old this September, while our encore MOO's - K9MOO and LC-MOO turned 4 last month. The WebMOO integration is still an issue and we have had the same "whistling in the wind" response from those with R&D dollars but we have survived well on a shoestring budget of goodwill from student/programmers. I understand and share the feeling of Lennie, Bob and others. Our small R&D team has kept faith with MOO because it has never failed to deliver educational polysynchronous "learning gems" in the recorded dialogue with many classes. The empowering aspect of a programmable environment is at the core of that success and its future. It is unique among telelearning environments. Cheer You cheer. Regards, Ken Eustace Lecturer (Information Systems) School of Information Studies Charles Sturt University Wagga Wagga NSW 2678 Email: keustace@csu.edu,.au Web: farrer.csu.edu.au/~keustace -----Original Message----- From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu] On Behalf Of Robert King Sent: Monday, 10 May 2004 11:43 PM To: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu; encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas / consortium I'm interested in being part of discussions re: forming a consortium to pursue MOO research and development projects. I'm currrently directing an eLearning research center on my campus. ______________________________________ Bob King eLearning Consultant School of Education University of North Carolina at Greensboro bob_king@uncg.edu (336) 256-0415 Director Interdisciplinary Center for eLearning (ICE) University of North Carolina at Greensboro http://ice.uncg.edu >>> Lennie Irvin 05/10/04 06:55AM >>> I'm not sure I can give you an unbiased answer. Our students (who we=20 coerce to use the MOO) probably would be able to give us the best=20 answer. My students actually like the MOO. Speaking for Encore only, the problem, I think, in general is the MOO is technically still too difficult (or too foreign) to use. A lot has been=20 done to make the program more intuitive (like the MY STUFF button enabling=20 easy management of one's objects and the icons at the top of objects now),=20 but a lot of the program is still command line. Throughout the MOO with all the generic objects there needs to be an easy point and click way to activate commands (verbs) on objects. Jan has made good and steady=20 progress on this front, but more has to be done. I think also for EnCore's use in Education it needs to at least be able to=20 offer comprehensive features like the course platform software tools like=20 Blackboard or WebCT. That means upgrading the Mail system to enable=20 threaded messaging (or integrating within the MOO an open source bulletin=20 board). It means revising or replacing the Virtual Assignment Server=20 Environment so that students can easily upload documents into the MOO (this=20 could also be uploading graphics perhaps for inclusion into the MOO as they=20 build themselves). Could there be a file upload object that contained the=20 engine for uploading documents? It would be something like a noteboard so=20 that all the uploaded files show within it. The last feature needed would=20 be some sort of testing tool (and I guess a gradebook). With these=20 features, enCore would have pretty much all the functionality of any course=20 platform. I feel like a new effort toward enCore is needed (not necessarily to do the=20 things I have described). I propose we form a consortium or alliance of schools interested in using enCore, define clear goals for the progress of=20 enCore, apply for grant funding, and then farm out these grant dollars to=20 pay for programming. Imagine that--programmers getting paid! Lennie At 04:44 PM 5/9/04 -0300, you wrote: >Lennie, > >You raise a very interesting question that has bothered me for a very long=20 >time: Why are not MOOs much more popular than they are? They appear to be=20 >an ideal environment for collaboration and socialization and yet there is=20 >not much interest in them. Can you suggest an unbiased answer? Maybe if we=20 >can anser this, we can find a way to make them popular. > >Ivan > >Ivan Tomek >School of Computer Science >Acadia University >Canada > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu]On=20 > > Behalf Of Lennie Irvin > > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 8:04 AM > > To: encore@utdallas.edu=20 > > Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas and ways to use Encore > > > > > > Probably the best place to explore is the mother > > ship--LinguaMOO http://lingua.utdallas.edu:7000/=20 > > > > EnCore does offer new horizons for MOOing. In short, it brings the > > "command-line" operation of MOO into the more recent > > web-application world > > of point and click and hypermedia. At least that is its > > goal. Jan has > > made steady and continuous progress in making EnCore a webMOO. > > > > I think EnCore's leap into web MOOing created a lot of > > interest and new > > MOOs in the years 1999-2001, but it seems that a lot of these > > MOOs are > > shutting down or going dormant. I'm not sure what is going > > on. I fit this > > profile I am describing. I began AlaMOO in 2001 with high > > hopes of making > > it a resource for my 50,000 student Community College > > District, but after > > years of promoting the MOO, I was the only one using it. Then I had > > technical support problems which my local technicians > > couldn't handle, and > > so my MOO is dormant and soon to shut down. I am actively seeking to > > migrate to another MOO home that will have me. > > > > I think EnCore is at a critical juncture--it needs to make > > more progress in > > its web integration or it will continue to decline. I think we as a > > community of users need to come together in a new way to help > > make this > > happen. Ideas anyone? > > > > Lennie > > > > At 11:11 AM 5/8/04 -0400, you wrote: > > >The information being shared, at Kits request, as to what > > encore can do is > > >interesting. I have run my own moo for over ten years. I've > > played with > > >encore a time or two as it progess's and never fully moved > > Space Conquest, > > >my site, over to encore. With this information I am once > > again intersted > > >in see what can be done. Anyone who has a moo they want to > > share I would > > >love to see it as I'm sure Kit would. Sadly the wonderful > > descriptiveness > > >of Truna's site is unable to be seen in webbed. > > > > > > > > >Anyone else? > > > > > > > > >Thanks > > > > > >Edward Aka ShadowDragon > > > > L. Lennie Irvin > > Department of English, San Antonio College > > San Antonio, TX > > > > http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/=20 > > AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/=20 > > > > > > > > L. Lennie Irvin Department of English, San Antonio College San Antonio, TX http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/=20 AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/=20 From kschwien@tcd.ie Tue May 11 01:51:07 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 11 May 2004 01:51:08 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEE4E5BAA for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 01:51:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90856550B for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 01:51:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02045-01-13 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 01:51:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imx2.tcd.ie (imx2.tcd.ie [134.226.1.156]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BEA6353D for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 01:51:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imx2.tcd.ie (imx2.tcd.ie [134.226.1.156]) by imx2.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02ED3317AD for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 07:50:49 +0100 (IST) Received: from imx2.tcd.ie by localhost.localdomain (VaMailArmor-2.0.1.16) id 00625-15A6DF0D; Tue, 11 May 2004 07:50:43 +0100 Received: from lcs090199 (lcs090199.artsl.tcd.ie [134.226.90.199]) by imx2.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id E162130A06 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 07:50:20 +0100 (IST) From: "Klaus Schwienhorst" To: encore@utdallas.edu Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 07:49:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas / consortium Message-ID: <40A0858D.16267.1F1A8761@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <8C2D9A2B9988B342BD8BAABEF0C83DB605BA8C@xcww01.riv.csu.edu.au> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-AntiVirus: checked by Vexira MailArmor (version: 2.0.1.16; VAE: 6.25.0.3; VDF: 6.25.0.57; host: imx2.tcd.ie) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-Spam-Status: Yes, hits=8.4 tagged_above=3.0 required=8.0 tests=BAYES_99, WEIRD_PORT X-Spam-Level: ******** X-Spam-Flag: YES X-archive-position: 1080 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: kschwien@tcd.ie Precedence: bulk Reply-to: kschwien@tcd.ie List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi everybody, some of you might know about the work in language learning I have been involved in for some time. Basically, I have organised tandem projects between our language students (e.g. Irish students learning German) and language students abroad (e.g. German students learning English). Students are working in pairs and help each other with bilingual tasks, both live in the MOO and in asynchronous tasks. Last year, Alexandre Borgia and myself published the bilingual tandem analyser, which analyses MOO utterances according to the language used and provides feedback to students on their proportions uses (e.g., German 18%, English 81%). In this way, it helps learners to have more balanced exchanges. This module is available for free download on http://kontakt.tcd.ie/BTA/ . We are currently preparing a shared whiteboard option, are thinking of several other language learning tools within the context of learner autonomy, for which funding is available. I am definitely interested in sharing ideas and modules like the above in a consortium. I have looked at Moodle, but do not think that it fits well with the ideas of learner autonomy that we are promoting at our department. Learning Management Environments such as WebCT and Blackboard are pedagogically very restrictive. I think we should work at making more existing functionality available in web-based form, so that it will be used more. Many learners do not exploit the full potential of the MOO (even Encore) because a lot is still command-line stuff. Regards, Klaus > Hi all, > > Some motivating ideas and good to hear from so many. I would like to > add the interest and support of the ISPG (Internet Special Project > Group) at Charles Sturt University in the new ideas/consortium for MOO > R&D projects proposal that is developing. > > Our first MOO is still non-enCore as AussieMOO is 10 years old this > September, while our encore MOO's - K9MOO and LC-MOO turned 4 last > month. The WebMOO integration is still an issue and we have had the > same "whistling in the wind" response from those with R&D dollars but > we have survived well on a shoestring budget of goodwill from > student/programmers. I understand and share the feeling of Lennie, Bob > and others. > > Our small R&D team has kept faith with MOO because it has never failed > to deliver educational polysynchronous "learning gems" in the recorded > dialogue with many classes. The empowering aspect of a programmable > environment is at the core of that success and its future. It is > unique among telelearning environments. > > Cheer > You cheer. > > Regards, > Ken Eustace > Lecturer (Information Systems) > School of Information Studies > Charles Sturt University > Wagga Wagga NSW 2678 > Email: keustace@csu.edu,.au > Web: farrer.csu.edu.au/~keustace > > -----Original Message----- > From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu] > On Behalf Of Robert King Sent: Monday, 10 May 2004 11:43 PM To: > Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu; encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Re: New > ideas / consortium > > I'm interested in being part of discussions re: forming a consortium > to pursue MOO research and development projects. I'm currrently > directing an eLearning research center on my campus. > > > ______________________________________ > Bob King > > eLearning Consultant > School of Education > University of North Carolina at Greensboro > bob_king@uncg.edu > (336) 256-0415 > > Director > Interdisciplinary Center for eLearning (ICE) > University of North Carolina at Greensboro > http://ice.uncg.edu > > > > > >>> Lennie Irvin 05/10/04 06:55AM >>> > I'm not sure I can give you an unbiased answer. Our students (who we > coerce to use the MOO) probably would be able to give us the best > answer. My students actually like the MOO. > > Speaking for Encore only, the problem, I think, in general is the MOO > is > > technically still too difficult (or too foreign) to use. A lot has > been done to make the program more intuitive (like the MY STUFF button > enabling easy management of one's objects and the icons at the top of > objects now), but a lot of the program is still command line. > Throughout the MOO with > > all the generic objects there needs to be an easy point and click way > to > > activate commands (verbs) on objects. Jan has made good and steady > progress on this front, but more has to be done. > > I think also for EnCore's use in Education it needs to at least be > able to offer comprehensive features like the course platform software > tools like Blackboard or WebCT. That means upgrading the Mail system > to enable threaded messaging (or integrating within the MOO an open > source bulletin board). It means revising or replacing the Virtual > Assignment Server Environment so that students can easily upload > documents into the MOO (this could also be uploading graphics perhaps > for inclusion into the MOO as they build themselves). Could there be > a file upload object that contained the engine for uploading > documents? It would be something like a noteboard so that all the > uploaded files show within it. The last feature needed would be some > sort of testing tool (and I guess a gradebook). With these features, > enCore would have pretty much all the functionality of any course > platform. > > I feel like a new effort toward enCore is needed (not necessarily to > do the things I have described). I propose we form a consortium or > alliance of > > schools interested in using enCore, define clear goals for the > progress of enCore, apply for grant funding, and then farm out these > grant dollars to pay for programming. Imagine that--programmers > getting paid! > > Lennie > > > > At 04:44 PM 5/9/04 -0300, you wrote: > >Lennie, > > > >You raise a very interesting question that has bothered me for a very > long > >time: Why are not MOOs much more popular than they are? They appear > >to > be > >an ideal environment for collaboration and socialization and yet > >there > is > >not much interest in them. Can you suggest an unbiased answer? Maybe > >if > we > >can anser this, we can find a way to make them popular. > > > >Ivan > > > >Ivan Tomek > >School of Computer Science > >Acadia University > >Canada > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu > [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu]On > > > Behalf Of Lennie Irvin > > > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 8:04 AM > > > To: encore@utdallas.edu > > > Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas and ways to use Encore > > > > > > > > > Probably the best place to explore is the mother > > > ship--LinguaMOO http://lingua.utdallas.edu:7000/ > > > > > > EnCore does offer new horizons for MOOing. In short, it brings > > > the "command-line" operation of MOO into the more recent > > > web-application world of point and click and hypermedia. At least > > > that is its goal. Jan has made steady and continuous progress in > > > making EnCore a webMOO. > > > > > > I think EnCore's leap into web MOOing created a lot of > > > interest and new > > > MOOs in the years 1999-2001, but it seems that a lot of these MOOs > > > are shutting down or going dormant. I'm not sure what is going > > > on. I fit this profile I am describing. I began AlaMOO in 2001 > > > with high hopes of making it a resource for my 50,000 student > > > Community College District, but after years of promoting the MOO, > > > I was the only one using it. Then I had technical support > > > problems which my local technicians couldn't handle, and so my MOO > > > is dormant and soon to shut down. I am actively seeking > to > > > migrate to another MOO home that will have me. > > > > > > I think EnCore is at a critical juncture--it needs to make > > > more progress in > > > its web integration or it will continue to decline. I think we as > > > a community of users need to come together in a new way to help > > > make this happen. Ideas anyone? > > > > > > Lennie > > > > > > At 11:11 AM 5/8/04 -0400, you wrote: > > > >The information being shared, at Kits request, as to what > > > encore can do is > > > >interesting. I have run my own moo for over ten years. I've > > > played with > > > >encore a time or two as it progess's and never fully moved > > > Space Conquest, > > > >my site, over to encore. With this information I am once > > > again intersted > > > >in see what can be done. Anyone who has a moo they want to > > > share I would > > > >love to see it as I'm sure Kit would. Sadly the wonderful > > > descriptiveness > > > >of Truna's site is unable to be seen in webbed. > > > > > > > > > > > >Anyone else? > > > > > > > > > > > >Thanks > > > > > > > >Edward Aka ShadowDragon > > > > > > L. Lennie Irvin > > > Department of English, San Antonio College > > > San Antonio, TX > > > > > > http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/ > > > AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L. Lennie Irvin > Department of English, San Antonio College > San Antonio, TX > > http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/ > AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/ > > > > > -- Dr. Klaus Schwienhorst CLCS, Arts Building Trinity College Dublin 2 Ireland Phone: Ireland +1 6083316; Fax: Ireland +1 6082941; Email: kschwien@tcd.ie Web: http://www.tcd.ie/CLCS/people/Klaus_Schwienhorst/index.html From jeank@email.arizona.edu Tue May 11 10:48:05 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 11 May 2004 10:48:06 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C47A75BAA for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 10:48:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9506BB094 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 10:48:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 18818-01-59 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 10:48:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (smeagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.141]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5271435A7 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 10:48:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from JEAN2 (dhcp-9687415f.ltc.arizona.edu [150.135.65.95]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 615DD5FF50E; Tue, 11 May 2004 08:48:00 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <005801c4376f$5677b600$5f418796@ltc.arizona.edu> From: "jeank" To: Cc: References: Subject: [encore] Re: new ideas / Moodle (trying again) Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 08:47:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at email.arizona.edu X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1081 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jeank@email.arizona.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jeank@email.arizona.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore One of our graduate students in rhetoric and composition who had used WebCT, had decided to use Moodle instead this past year for teaching Business Writing. She presented her experience at the University of Arizona's Learning Technology Showcase on Thursday, May 6th. Stephanie Vie was very pleased with the experience. You can write to her at svie@u.arizona.edu for further correspondence. She has a guest login so that you could look around her course. Jean Jean Kreis, M.Ed., M.A. EDUCAUSE NLII 2004 Fellow University of Arizona Program Coordinator, Sr. Web-Based Instructional Tools Learning Technologies Center, Rm. 337 PO Box 21007 1077 N. Highland Ave. Tucson, AZ 85721-0073 phone 520.626.8071 fax 520.626.8220 jeank@u.arizona.edu http://www.ic.arizona.edu/~jeank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert King" To: Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 6:48 AM Subject: [encore] Re: new ideas / Moodle (trying again) Sorry for my botched email message. Here is what I was trying to type... Does anyone have experience or ideas about using MOO in conjuction with Moodle? The latter being an open source course management system (similar to Blackboard/WebCT). The web address for Moodle is: http://moodle.org/ ______________________________________ Bob King eLearning Consultant School of Education University of North Carolina at Greensboro bob_king@uncg.edu (336) 256-0415 Director Interdisciplinary Center for eLearning (ICE) University of North Carolina at Greensboro http://ice.uncg.edu From jason@jasonnolan.net Tue May 11 05:44:39 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 11 May 2004 12:40:26 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABA695BAA for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 05:44:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AB5EAAE9 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 05:44:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16841-01-39 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 05:44:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ComplicityTheory.local (user395.megabit.utoronto.ca [142.150.241.189]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4759235A7 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 05:44:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ComplicityTheory.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id B438AC1162; Mon, 10 May 2004 21:17:35 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040510052350.00a65b10@accdvm.accd.edu> <003201c43690$69e4cf50$a300a8c0@HAL9000> <005b01c4369a$30313050$a300a8c0@HAL9000> <409FB730.5070409@optonline.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: encore@utdallas.edu From: Jason Nolan Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas and ways to use Encore Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 21:17:34 -0400 To: rbroglio@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1082 X-Approved-By: cynthiah@utdallas.edu X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jason@jasonnolan.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jason@jasonnolan.net List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Well, my team would be there for one. We've been quiet recently, but have contributed on EnCore Security issues, VASE and file management stuff. Personally, I'm interested in a project to redo MOO in a way to reduce the reliance on telnet protocols and java, and I've been working with a programmer up here to see how XML could be used. My colleague peter wolf has done great work with chats solely using XML and .net (which is now opensource) on his epresence project (http://epresence.kmdi.utoronto.ca). The rest of my programming team for Project Achieve (http://achieve.utoronto.ca) though presently doing other things, is still interested in seeing where moos can go. Keep me in the loop? ------ Jason Nolan, PhD Scholar in Residence, Knowledge Media Design Institute University of Toronto Senior Fellow, McLuhan, Program in Culture and Technology University of Toronto Lecturer, School of Early Childhood Education Ryerson University --- mailto:jason@jasonnolan.net http://jasonnolan.net/ From rhs@vader.aacc.edu Tue May 11 13:36:10 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 11 May 2004 13:36:58 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A4925BAA for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 13:36:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C4DAB225 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 13:36:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11383-01-96 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 13:36:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from vader.aacc.edu (vader.aacc.edu [12.167.138.28]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0411435C3 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 13:36:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from vader.aacc.edu (IDENT:u1DIP7MPzZoesQQ58zc/Qo/teNVk+qqr@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vader.aacc.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i4BIa0uU005914 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 14:36:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (rhs@localhost) by vader.aacc.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id i4BIa0op005910 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 14:36:00 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 14:36:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "Richard H.C. Seabrook" To: enCore mailing list Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas and ways to use Encore In-Reply-To: <42337.1084029072055.JavaMail.root@wamui02.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1083 X-Approved-By: cynthiah@utdallas.edu X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: rhs@vader.aacc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: rhs@vader.aacc.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore I'd like get involved. I've started about half-a-dozen Lambdacore moos in the last 10 years (special-purpose, none of them still running), but haven't worked under ENCORE. I'm still a wizard over at Bob Canary's WP and a programmer at DU and may be able to contribute something. Dick S. -- @-------------------------------------------------------------------) | Dick Seabrook Computer Science | | rhs@enterprise.aacc.edu _ Anne Arundel Community College | | (410)777-2424 //:-) Speed the Net! | @-------------------------------------------------------------------) From lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Tue May 11 17:06:43 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 11 May 2004 17:06:43 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CA085BAA for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 17:06:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DC04B2DB for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 17:06:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09033-01-74 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 17:06:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 36FF6342E for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 17:06:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from gh-208-300633.accdvm.accd.edu [10.11.36.41] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Tue, 11 May 2004 17:04:39 CST Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20040511163629.01b7ee28@accdvm.accd.edu> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 17:03:51 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Lennie Irvin Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas and ways to use Encore In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040510052350.00a65b10@accdvm.accd.edu> <003201c43690$69e4cf50$a300a8c0@HAL9000> <005b01c4369a$30313050$a300a8c0@HAL9000> <409FB730.5070409@optonline.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1084 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore It is good to hear there is still so much interest in EnCore! I have long had the desire to have an EnCore MOO "conference" of sorts to discuss just the kinds of ideas we are bouncing around. I mentioned my interest in a conference to Dene Grigar (Nouspace MOO), and she was all for the idea. I think given our international presence, a face to face conference might be a little hard to pull off (though Australia would be nice...), so I think an online conference or series of online meetings to organize this consortium would work. If any of you are interested in helping with the initial organizing of this effort, please let me know (on or off list). Perhaps we can meet in LinguaMOO in the next week and come up with some ideas to share with the rest of the folks on the list. ...and I'm going to start creating that board where folks can post and share innovative code. Lennie At 08:17 PM 5/10/2004, you wrote: >Well, my team would be there for one. We've been quiet recently, but have >contributed on EnCore Security issues, VASE and file management stuff. >Personally, I'm interested in a project to redo MOO in a way to reduce the >reliance on telnet protocols and java, and I've been working with a >programmer up here to see how XML could be used. My colleague peter wolf >has done great work with chats solely using XML and .net (which is now >opensource) on his epresence project (http://epresence.kmdi.utoronto.ca). >The rest of my programming team for Project Achieve >(http://achieve.utoronto.ca) though presently doing other things, is still >interested in seeing where moos can go. > >Keep me in the loop? >------ >Jason Nolan, PhD >Scholar in Residence, Knowledge Media Design Institute > University of Toronto >Senior Fellow, McLuhan, Program in Culture and Technology > University of Toronto >Lecturer, School of Early Childhood Education > Ryerson University >--- >mailto:jason@jasonnolan.net >http://jasonnolan.net/ > From jason@jasonnolan.net Tue May 11 18:24:21 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 11 May 2004 18:35:07 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F4E85BAA for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 18:24:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE908B344 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 18:24:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 18888-01-49 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 18:24:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ComplicityTheory.local (user395.megabit.utoronto.ca [142.150.241.189]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D655E34CC for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 18:24:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ComplicityTheory.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57E97C23C8; Tue, 11 May 2004 19:24:22 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20040511163629.01b7ee28@accdvm.accd.edu> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040510052350.00a65b10@accdvm.accd.edu> <003201c43690$69e4cf50$a300a8c0@HAL9000> <005b01c4369a$30313050$a300a8c0@HAL9000> <409FB730.5070409@optonline.net> <6.0.0.22.0.20040511163629.01b7ee28@accdvm.accd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <552067E0-A3A2-11D8-8586-00039300C7F2@jasonnolan.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: encore@utdallas.edu From: Jason Nolan Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas and ways to use Encore Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 19:24:21 -0400 To: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1085 X-Approved-By: cynthiah@utdallas.edu X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jason@jasonnolan.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jason@jasonnolan.net List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore The enthusiasm is great to hear, but I'm more interested in something that is slow to grow and longer lasting. I'd like to see education and technical committees, advisory board of major players, and perhaps some affiliation with an IEEE sig. Something that will last longer than anyone's individual participation. And it would be nice to get a few faculty members interested in various research angles, software, teaching/learning, cog-sci. It would also be nice to set up a peer reviewed journal, using perhaps OJS, to facilitate communication beyond. And a name, something like Association of MOO Developers and Educators, but if something with a better acronym. Call me anal and organizational, but that's what keeps organizations running. ------ Jason Nolan, PhD Scholar in Residence, Knowledge Media Design Institute University of Toronto Senior Fellow, McLuhan, Program in Culture and Technology University of Toronto Lecturer, School of Early Childhood Education Ryerson University --- mailto:jason@jasonnolan.net http://jasonnolan.net/ On May 11, 2004, at 6:03 PM, Lennie Irvin wrote: > It is good to hear there is still so much interest in EnCore! I have > long had the desire to have an EnCore MOO "conference" of sorts to > discuss just the kinds of ideas we are bouncing around. I mentioned > my interest in a conference to Dene Grigar (Nouspace MOO), and she was > all for the idea. I think given our international presence, a face to > face conference might be a little hard to pull off (though Australia > would be nice...), so I think an online conference or series of online > meetings to organize this consortium would work. > > If any of you are interested in helping with the initial organizing of > this effort, please let me know (on or off list). Perhaps we can meet > in LinguaMOO in the next week and come up with some ideas to share > with the rest of the folks on the list. > > ...and I'm going to start creating that board where folks can post and > share innovative code. > > Lennie > > At 08:17 PM 5/10/2004, you wrote: >> Well, my team would be there for one. We've been quiet recently, but >> have contributed on EnCore Security issues, VASE and file management >> stuff. Personally, I'm interested in a project to redo MOO in a way >> to reduce the reliance on telnet protocols and java, and I've been >> working with a programmer up here to see how XML could be used. My >> colleague peter wolf has done great work with chats solely using XML >> and .net (which is now opensource) on his epresence project >> (http://epresence.kmdi.utoronto.ca). The rest of my programming team >> for Project Achieve (http://achieve.utoronto.ca) though presently >> doing other things, is still interested in seeing where moos can go. >> >> Keep me in the loop? >> ------ >> Jason Nolan, PhD >> Scholar in Residence, Knowledge Media Design Institute >> University of Toronto >> Senior Fellow, McLuhan, Program in Culture and Technology >> University of Toronto >> Lecturer, School of Early Childhood Education >> Ryerson University >> --- >> mailto:jason@jasonnolan.net >> http://jasonnolan.net/ >> > > > > From egoff@mindspring.com Tue May 11 22:22:14 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 11 May 2004 22:22:14 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41CB25BAA for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 22:22:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12378B4D9 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 22:22:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11277-01-11 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 22:22:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE2DD34CC for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 22:22:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.168.167.41] (helo=wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BNkJv-0001bE-00; Tue, 11 May 2004 23:22:11 -0400 Message-ID: <23489686.1084332131350.JavaMail.root@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 23:22:10 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: egoff@mindspring.com To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] A question to ponder for all. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1086 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: egoff@mindspring.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: egoff@mindspring.com List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore I wonder if it would be possible to have "sounds" react to player input. I run a space based Roleplaying game site. We have a generic "computer" room that responds to verbal input. So, for example, if a player says Computer, Red Alert. It would change the stations status to red alert and announce it. What I was pondering is at many levels from a simple siren to anyone connect via Encore interface to changing of the picutre. Many ideas come to me as I think of this. Tatical views. Planet views from space. World views as you descend. Any care to share there insights into Interacive flash, xml, anything else. Up to and including Getting Moo code to respond/change/ect based on actions/reactions/ect IN The moo. Questions, more details just ask. Edward From KEustace@csu.edu.au Tue May 11 22:23:11 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 11 May 2004 22:23:11 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A1A25BAA for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 22:23:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A91EB4DB for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 22:23:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11277-01-14 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 22:23:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from csunw.riv.csu.edu.au (csunw.riv.csu.edu.au [137.166.76.1]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A8FE3561 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 22:22:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from XCWW01.CSUMain.csu.edu.au (xcww01.riv.csu.edu.au [137.166.216.22]) by csunw.riv.csu.edu.au (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i4C3Mi9V003058 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 13:22:44 +1000 (EST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas and ways to use Encore Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 13:22:44 +1000 Message-ID: <8C2D9A2B9988B342BD8BAABEF0C83DB605BA8F@xcww01.riv.csu.edu.au> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [encore] Re: New ideas and ways to use Encore Thread-Index: AcQ3sKtiddiOvJu6SouBMjP/cY5kOQAHjauA From: "Eustace, Ken" To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=7.0 tagged_above=3.0 required=8.0 tests=BAYES_99 X-Spam-Level: ******* X-archive-position: 1087 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: KEustace@csu.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-to: KEustace@csu.edu.au List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore The good ideas keep coming... Here the ISPG had a quick meeting to discuss the new ideas and our systems director and came up with 2 ideas - one old and one new, listed below. 1. Geoff Fellows suggests that in developing the multimedia aspects mentioned in an earlier posting, that the EnCore list should investigate SVG. See http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/=20 SVG is an XML markup language and just like HTML would be easy to integrate=20 into the MOO. With the Adobe SVG plugin viewing SVG is easy. See=20 http://www.adobe.com/svg/ There are several free tools for creating SVG as well many graphics tools that now export SVG. 2. We did have interest in Sydney with the Blind Society for children in developing an "audio MOO" as another avenue for research. So there are some real applications outside education that may be mustered under the proposed consortium umbrella.=20 I also like the idea of a "generic class" for the consortium such as Jason's idea of being part of an established technical group such as an IEEE SIG. Regards, Ken -----Original Message----- From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu] On Behalf Of Jason Nolan Sent: Wednesday, 12 May 2004 9:24 AM To: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Cc: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas and ways to use Encore The enthusiasm is great to hear, but I'm more interested in something=20 that is slow to grow and longer lasting. I'd like to see education and=20 technical committees, advisory board of major players, and perhaps some=20 affiliation with an IEEE sig. Something that will last longer than=20 anyone's individual participation. And it would be nice to get a few=20 faculty members interested in various research angles, software,=20 teaching/learning, cog-sci. It would also be nice to set up a peer=20 reviewed journal, using perhaps OJS, to facilitate communication=20 beyond. And a name, something like Association of MOO Developers and Educators,=20 but if something with a better acronym. Call me anal and organizational, but that's what keeps organizations=20 running. ------ Jason Nolan, PhD Scholar in Residence, Knowledge Media Design Institute University of Toronto Senior Fellow, McLuhan, Program in Culture and Technology University of Toronto Lecturer, School of Early Childhood Education Ryerson University --- mailto:jason@jasonnolan.net http://jasonnolan.net/ On May 11, 2004, at 6:03 PM, Lennie Irvin wrote: > It is good to hear there is still so much interest in EnCore! I have=20 > long had the desire to have an EnCore MOO "conference" of sorts to=20 > discuss just the kinds of ideas we are bouncing around. I mentioned=20 > my interest in a conference to Dene Grigar (Nouspace MOO), and she was > all for the idea. I think given our international presence, a face to > face conference might be a little hard to pull off (though Australia=20 > would be nice...), so I think an online conference or series of online > meetings to organize this consortium would work. > > If any of you are interested in helping with the initial organizing of > this effort, please let me know (on or off list). Perhaps we can meet > in LinguaMOO in the next week and come up with some ideas to share=20 > with the rest of the folks on the list. > > ...and I'm going to start creating that board where folks can post and > share innovative code. > > Lennie > > At 08:17 PM 5/10/2004, you wrote: >> Well, my team would be there for one. We've been quiet recently, but=20 >> have contributed on EnCore Security issues, VASE and file management >> stuff. Personally, I'm interested in a project to redo MOO in a way=20 >> to reduce the reliance on telnet protocols and java, and I've been=20 >> working with a programmer up here to see how XML could be used. My=20 >> colleague peter wolf has done great work with chats solely using XML=20 >> and .net (which is now opensource) on his epresence project=20 >> (http://epresence.kmdi.utoronto.ca). The rest of my programming team=20 >> for Project Achieve (http://achieve.utoronto.ca) though presently=20 >> doing other things, is still interested in seeing where moos can go. >> >> Keep me in the loop? >> ------ >> Jason Nolan, PhD >> Scholar in Residence, Knowledge Media Design Institute >> University of Toronto >> Senior Fellow, McLuhan, Program in Culture and Technology >> University of Toronto >> Lecturer, School of Early Childhood Education >> Ryerson University >> --- >> mailto:jason@jasonnolan.net >> http://jasonnolan.net/ >> > > > > From j.turner@qut.edu.au Wed May 12 00:21:05 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 12 May 2004 00:21:05 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10C195BAA for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:21:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF227B5B9 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:21:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19129-01-68 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:20:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail-router01.qut.edu.au (mail-router01.qut.edu.au [131.181.254.7]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 218AC353D for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:20:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail-msgstore01.qut.edu.au (mail-msgstore01.qut.edu.au [131.181.254.4]) by mail-router01.qut.edu.au (MOS 3.4.6-GR) with ESMTP id BEH54080; Wed, 12 May 2004 15:20:35 +1000 (EST) Received: from mail-msgstore01.qut.edu.au (localhost.qut.edu.au [127.0.0.1]) by mail-msgstore01.qut.edu.au (MOS 3.4.5-GR) with ESMTP id BAE07270; Wed, 12 May 2004 15:20:34 +1000 (EST) Received: from 131.181.127.39 by mail-msgstore01.qut.edu.au (MOS 3.4.5-GR) with HTTPS/1.1; Wed, 12 May 2004 15:20:34 +1000 Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 15:20:34 +1000 From: "truna aka j.turner" Subject: [encore] Re: A question to ponder for all. To: egoff@mindspring.com, encore@utdallas.edu X-Mailer: Webmail Mirapoint Direct 3.4.5-GR MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <66a7e055.3f2a5bf3.831b200@mail-msgstore01.qut.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host=mail-router01.qut.edu.au X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=7.0 tagged_above=3.0 required=8.0 tests=BAYES_99 X-Spam-Level: ******* X-archive-position: 1088 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: j.turner@qut.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-to: j.turner@qut.edu.au List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore and greetings from sunny queensland once more .. edward .. sorry about the firewalled graphics and media in the lost cities - i am hoping we have managed to find a new server where the firewall will be rendered obsolete .. i looove the idea of changing views ... meanwhile, our rather gorgeous kids have managed the sound reaction via use of flash - particularly combined with a teleport object so on the say, flicking of a red button [flick being the teleport verb attached to the button object] the player sees the apparently same space with lights and noise ... but has actually been transported to an equivalent space with all that happening ... ah, smoke and mirrors ... don't you love it? there is also a telephone in one of the projects that rings thru' out the project until you find the thing and answer it .. it is beautifully annoying and persistent .. :) but apropos the discussion started by all of this, it does occur to me that there are TWO very distinct sides happening .. we are using the moo - and the encore interface - as a very effective games engine .. or at least a games engine prototyping environment .. that means that the kind of development we have been doing on the moo interface itself actually calls upon the basic programming and demands clearer access to the moo core - programming side of things .. ie LESS in terms of ready made, more in terms of TOOLS to make .. this would seem to me to be a different design agenda to the desire to make the encore interface more in keeping with say, active worlds type environments [chatting, voice, embedding moodle and video etc] our focus is very much on the games and design side, with educational ramifications, of course ... an interesting discussion going on on the education - game design side of things going on at the education arcade - reported here at water cooler games: http://www.watercoolergames.org/archives/000142.shtml i am extremely interested in a development of the discussion and some more work in this area ... i even started preparing a course book that aims to exploit the design side AS education .. under my website [ http://truna.net ] and i have been hovering around as to whether or not to recommend using a MOO and encore ... so accessible ... or whether to go for the games engine and some programming, so i would love some feedback ... is anyone else here wondering about the MMORPG environments? love truna ps re the programming question, the chapter on programming in High Wired is the best handbook i have seen so far ... one of my students wrote his own guide for some of the more cabalistic commands which i am sure he would permit me to make available if anyone wants .. oh, and there is a programming tutorial in the cities .. student.ci.qut.edu.au:7771 [text client] head into the biovat, to the gravity well and on to simulations and the training program i just checked and it seems to work ok in text, again written by a student .. xt ---- Original message ---- >Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 23:22:10 -0400 (GMT-04:00) >From: egoff@mindspring.com >Subject: [encore] A question to ponder for all. >To: encore@utdallas.edu > >I wonder if it would be possible to have "sounds" react to player input. I run a space based Roleplaying game site. We have a generic "computer" room that responds to verbal input. So, for example, if a player says > > >Computer, Red Alert. > >It would change the stations status to red alert and announce it. What I was pondering is at many levels from a simple siren to anyone connect via Encore interface to changing of the picutre. Many ideas come to me as I think of this. Tatical views. Planet views from space. World views as you descend. > > >Any care to share there insights into Interacive flash, xml, anything else. Up to and including Getting Moo code to respond/change/ect based on actions/reactions/ect IN The moo. > >Questions, more details just ask. > >Edward > From Mark.A.ONeil@Dartmouth.EDU Wed May 12 07:48:57 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 12 May 2004 07:48:58 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B3E65BAA for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 07:48:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C2F2AAD3 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 07:48:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23770-01-26 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 07:48:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailhub4.dartmouth.edu (mailhub4.Dartmouth.EDU [129.170.17.94]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EEAB3574 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 07:48:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (vpn-84-16.dartmouth.edu [129.170.84.16]) by mailhub4.dartmouth.edu (8.12.10+DND/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i4CCmjMX014950 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 08:48:46 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <23489686.1084332131350.JavaMail.root@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net> References: <23489686.1084332131350.JavaMail.root@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Mark A. O'Neil" Subject: [encore] Re: A question to ponder for all. Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 08:48:44 -0400 To: enCore list X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) X-MailScanner: No virus detected by mailhub4.Dartmouth.EDU X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1089 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Mark.A.ONeil@Dartmouth.EDU Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Mark.A.ONeil@Dartmouth.EDU List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hello all, I too am intrigued by many of the threads coming out of this discussion. Organization: I agree with Jason that something larger than each of us should come out of this. Minimally a consortium with a site and advisors to guide things along. Having been on such committees in the past and currently participating on a committee promoting Open Source development for a certain CMS - there are several issues that need to be considered to get such a thing off the ground. The Issues As a developer I see there are three issues of the MOO that could be addressed by such a group: the Core (Encore), ancillary Core Code, and the MOO 'engine' itself. Of course there are other areas of opportunity but for the most part I see them arising out of these three - notably community and best practices. I am sure we can all agree that Jan has done an excellent job and I think what we are looking at here are for the additional hooks that facilitate the use of different environment rendering and object creation that is unique to an HTTP interface. One of the greatest hurdles to this technology (which also happens to be one of it's greatest features) is the need for developing useful environments and objects. A repository of such objects and environments would go a long way for easing adoption of the technology. Over the past few years I have come to the conclusion that while the LambdaMOO engine is quite well written it lacks several, uhm, 'modern' (it is nearly 10 years old) features. Notably it's architecture is not easily augmented, it is not threaded, and the stack approach to processing commands is, to be honest, a bit of a stickler at times. A threaded application that is based on Object Oriented Design and easily allows for swapping components out for say Authorization, or binding to external resources, etc., would be a fantastic improvement. If nothing else gathering the requirements for such improvements would be a great start. Just my 0.02 thanks for reading. -m From jeank@email.arizona.edu Wed May 12 09:48:32 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 12 May 2004 09:48:32 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B99E45BAA for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 09:48:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9537E15A3E for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 09:48:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07967-01-31 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 09:48:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (smeagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.141]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FBC535A7 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 09:48:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from JEAN2 (dhcp-9687415f.ltc.arizona.edu [150.135.65.95]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 413B4602DC0 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 07:48:27 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001d01c43830$2f102770$5f418796@ltc.arizona.edu> From: "jeank" To: References: <23489686.1084332131350.JavaMail.root@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Subject: [encore] Re: A question to ponder for all. Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 07:48:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at email.arizona.edu X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=7.0 tagged_above=3.0 required=8.0 tests=BAYES_99 X-Spam-Level: ******* X-archive-position: 1090 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jeank@email.arizona.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jeank@email.arizona.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Organization: I agree with Jason that something larger than each of us should come out of this. Minimally a consortium with a site and advisors to guide things along. Having been on such committees in the past and currently participating on a committee promoting Open Source development for a certain CMS - there are several issues that need to be considered to get such a thing off the ground. I am not sure how many of you are aware of the Sakai project, an Open Source CMS (second generation CMS project) via a consortium of institutions. One possibility, rather than duplicating the work of creating another CMS project to house the MOO, is to explore the feasability of incorporating the MOO code within the project that already exists. This is especially advantageous since most CMS's (vendor-driven or institutionally created) fall far behind the capabilities of the encore platform. Information regarding the Sakai Project is at http://www.sakaiproject.org/ The developers of the Sakai CMS are colleagues of ours. The Issues As a developer I see there are three issues of the MOO that could be addressed by such a group: the Core (Encore), ancillary Core Code, and the MOO 'engine' itself. Of course there are other areas of opportunity but for the most part I see them arising out of these three - notably community and best practices. I'm also not sure how many of you are familiar with the work of EDUCAUSE's National Learning Infrastructure Initiative (NLII). Last year the institutions affiliated with the organization came together in March to examine what "next generation CMS's" needed to incorporate to facilitate best practices of deeper learning principles. Following the Focus Session (the work that was done by the 78 people can be reviewed at http://www.educause.edu/asp/doclib/abstract.asp?ID=NLI0343 ) , a work group was convened to define and explicate the functional requirements that were identified as necessary to guide the development of any next-generation CMS - whether Open Source or vendor created. The findings of the workgroup were presented at the Annual Meeting in January and will be made available on the website this summer. However, I have them and can make them available to those that are interested Having supported both a variety of CMS's (Blackboard, WebCT, D2L, POLIS, and a variety of other homegrown ones) as well as chat-systems, for the past 5 years, I can say that there is not one CMS or chat-system that has the global capacity that the MOO possesses. However, there has been little to no work done to incorporate the MOO into any of the CMS projects - that I am aware of. I've shown the OldPuebloMOO to WebCT vendors and how faculty have integrated the two because the chat system within WebCT is so poverty-stricken in the ability for faculty to accomplish what they can accomplish within the encore MOO (The same is true of the other CMS systems). However, like what has been stated, without a forum or body of institutions calling for the inclusion of the MOO into the CMS platform, there is little incentive to work towards bringing the technology into any CMS. my two cents, Jean Jean Kreis, M.Ed., M.A. EDUCAUSE NLII 2004 Fellow University of Arizona Program Coordinator, Sr. Web-Based Instructional Tools Learning Technologies Center, Rm. 337 PO Box 21007 1077 N. Highland Ave. Tucson, AZ 85721-0073 phone 520.626.8071 fax 520.626.8220 jeank@u.arizona.edu http://www.ic.arizona.edu/~jeank From egoff@mindspring.com Wed May 12 22:09:40 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 12 May 2004 22:09:40 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63DA05BAA for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 22:09:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 354162C921 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 22:09:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04221-01-26 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 22:09:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E55E3561 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 22:09:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.168.167.44] (helo=wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by blount.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BO6bJ-0001t7-00; Wed, 12 May 2004 23:09:37 -0400 Message-ID: <22737136.1084417777266.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 23:09:36 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: egoff@mindspring.com To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Ideas, computers and reactions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1091 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: egoff@mindspring.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: egoff@mindspring.com List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore I would like to thank Manitoba98XP for his input. I already have a working SPACE RPG. What I was actually looking for is what everone else has been stating and someone, sorry I forget who at the moment I have the message at home, found away to do it. Interactive Web with the moo responding and changing. Either I look at the "command console" in my chair and "click" the red button so set off red alert. (that would be via the encore way) and/or I type "computer, Red Alert" and the image/screen would change for encore users. This with sound would be cool. I have more message to read so I'm sure I'll see plenty more ideas. As an addeneum I think that the sharing of ideas is great. I also think anyway to bring "moo" into the 21st century is cool but keep in mind the medium your dealing with. Lets all keep the enthusiam rolling and run with this. Edward From rbroglio@earthlink.net Thu May 13 08:12:16 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 13 May 2004 09:19:14 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17CFD5BAA for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 08:12:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBB9B5ADC8 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 08:12:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17248-01-28 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 08:12:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hellmouth4.gatech.edu (hellmouth4.gatech.edu [130.207.165.164]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E25034CC for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 08:12:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hellmouth4.gatech.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hellmouth4.gatech.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 5C1A2A955 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 09:12:13 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from rbroglio@earthlink.net) Received: from mailprx5.gatech.edu (mailprx5.prism.gatech.edu [130.207.171.19]) (using TLSv1 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.mail.gatech.edu", Issuer "RSA Data Security? Inc." (verified OK)) by hellmouth4.gatech.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CE76A879 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 09:10:45 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from rbroglio@earthlink.net) Received: from [199.77.207.56] (lawn-199-77-207-56.lawn.gatech.edu [199.77.207.56]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (sasl: method=PLAIN, username=rb236, sender=n/a) by mailprx5.gatech.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69DD03A608 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 09:10:43 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from rbroglio@earthlink.net) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <22737136.1084417777266.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net> References: <22737136.1084417777266.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6186C266-A4DF-11D8-869B-0003939DFD34@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ron Broglio Subject: [encore] Re: Ideas, computers and reactions Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 09:13:52 -0400 To: encore@utdallas.edu X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1092 X-Approved-By: cynthiah@utdallas.edu X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: rbroglio@earthlink.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: rbroglio@earthlink.net List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore There have been so many different and interesting threads here. Would it be worth holding several round tables and other extended discussions at a conference? I'm not sure what conference would be best, MLA, Comp. & Writing, Computing in the Humanities (ACH)? Ron Ron Broglio http://www.lcc.gatech.edu/~broglio School of LCC Georgia Tech On May 12, 2004, at 11:09 PM, egoff@mindspring.com wrote: > I would like to thank Manitoba98XP for his input. I already have a > working SPACE RPG. What I was actually looking for is what everone > else has been stating and someone, sorry I forget who at the moment I > have the message at home, found away to do it. Interactive Web with > the moo responding and changing. Either I look at the "command > console" in my chair and "click" the red button so set off red alert. > (that would be via the encore way) and/or I type "computer, Red Alert" > and the image/screen would change for encore users. This with sound > would be cool. I have more message to read so I'm sure I'll see plenty > more ideas. > > > As an addeneum I think that the sharing of ideas is great. I also > think anyway to bring "moo" into the 21st century is cool but keep in > mind the medium your dealing with. Lets all keep the enthusiam rolling > and run with this. > > > Edward > > From Kit@BlackIrish.net Thu May 13 09:50:15 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 13 May 2004 09:50:15 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39AAA5BAA for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 09:50:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 143794BA0 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 09:50:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28373-01-23 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 09:50:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from us20.unix.fas.harvard.edu (us20.unix.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.35.200]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 895A8368F for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 09:50:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.168.1.22] (pool-68-163-181-90.bos.east.verizon.net [68.163.181.90]) by us20.unix.fas.harvard.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i4DEo2c3002269 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 10:50:08 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tempest@bb14.betterbox.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6186C266-A4DF-11D8-869B-0003939DFD34@earthlink.net> References: <22737136.1084417777266.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net> <6186C266-A4DF-11D8-869B-0003939DFD34@earthlink.net> x-no-archive: yes Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 10:49:46 -0400 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Kit Subject: [encore] Re: Ideas, computers and reactions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-Spam-Status: Yes, hits=9.9 tagged_above=3.0 required=8.0 tests=BAYES_99, RCVD_IN_SORBS, WEIRD_PORT X-Spam-Level: ********* X-Spam-Flag: YES X-archive-position: 1093 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Kit@BlackIrish.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Kit@BlackIrish.net List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore All this is fine and dandy, but none of it really helps me. lol What would help me would be examples of code. For example, here's the set up for a user solving a puzzle which unlocks a door. Right now I've just compiled the code for the latest encore. Mine's at http://moo.moo.mud.org:8891/ I've not done this in several years since my Virtual Communities on the Internet course. I'm thankful that when I did it last I documented the output so this time I could do it again without much confusion. Some issues I had before which I strove to correct: mootcan text versus web text. Multilingually one might want to make use of character entities for accented vowels, etc. I remember trying to find the code that produced the output for the text only descriptions (what a user telnetting would se) so I could create a substitution algorithm to transform those entitites into plain vowels. (One of the benefits of the telnet portion is that the code is very simple. People with old computers could get together and chat whereas things we'd tried before (yahoo chat, IRC, AOL IM) all depended on people having a certain level of computer power.) I remember modifying the web display algorithm to print the objects in 2 columns. I created a multilingual room where someone could say "speak X" and the room description would display the description in that language if the creater of the room had put a description in that language. I was working on a facing verb so that the room would display a different picture depending on which direction you were facing. That could be advanced to having different pictures for time of day, time of year. Of course the question is always, where in the hierarchy do I want to put these objects. Who is their parent? Depending on where I tinker, upgrading may be a disaster. I also wanted to get rid of the hard coding of English. Really those should all be calls to a function that returns the proper phrase in the chosen language. I could make such modifications, but then wouldn't really be able to upgrade to the next version. MOOs, MUDS, etc. aren't seeing as much use because there is a steep learning curve and there's so much on the web that is easier to access. If you look at video games these days, most of them can connect to the internet and let you interact with other players. My brother plays them all the time. There is hardly a learning curve at all. You see your character on screen, can move it around with a joy stick, and can see text people type go down the screen. Anyway, I have to now figure out how to do things again. I know I have to create some guest characters so that guests can log on. I need to create different versions of me at different privilege levels so I can code things without destroying the world or making things that have more power than I intend. I'd like to figure out where I can change the starting place for where a user appears when they log on. Someone mentioned some flash interactivity. I'd like to see some examples of that code. If you have a web object with a url that points to a flash movie, can that movie have the user click and move around or call functions in the MOO? Ok, I guess that's enough from me for now. At 9:13 AM -0400 5/13/04, Ron Broglio wrote: >There have been so many different and interesting threads here. >Would it be worth holding several round tables and other extended >discussions at a conference? I'm not sure what conference would be >best, MLA, Comp. & Writing, Computing in the Humanities (ACH)? > >Ron From ivan.tomek@acadiau.ca Thu May 13 10:11:45 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 13 May 2004 10:11:45 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 468E75C0B for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 10:11:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F08D4C08 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 10:11:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01656-01-5 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 10:11:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hades.acadiau.ca (hades.acadiau.ca [131.162.201.35]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F362355B for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 10:11:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (hades.acadiau.ca [131.162.201.35]) by hades.acadiau.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 732C38C04A1; Thu, 13 May 2004 12:11:38 -0300 (ADT) Received: from hades.acadiau.ca ([131.162.201.35]) by localhost (hades.acadiau.ca [131.162.201.35]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 85031-01-18; Thu, 13 May 2004 12:11:37 -0300 (ADT) Received: from exchange.ad.acadiau.ca (exchange.acadiau.ca [131.162.200.60]) by hades.acadiau.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1FEC8C049E; Thu, 13 May 2004 12:11:37 -0300 (ADT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [encore] Re: Ideas, computers and reactions Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 12:11:37 -0300 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [encore] Re: Ideas, computers and reactions Thread-Index: AcQ49VOIPGXdnbB9SjysjdZmIJ9PkQABxyAg From: "Ivan Tomek" To: , X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at acadiau.ca X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1094 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: ivan.tomek@acadiau.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-to: ivan.tomek@acadiau.ca List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Another possibility is the CSCW (Computer Supported Collaborative Work) = conference in Chicago this Fall.=20 Ivan Ivan Tomek School of Computer Science Acadia University Canada > -----Original Message----- > From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu]On > Behalf Of Ron Broglio > Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 9:14 AM > To: encore@utdallas.edu > Subject: [encore] Re: Ideas, computers and reactions >=20 >=20 > There have been so many different and interesting threads=20 > here. Would=20 > it be worth holding several round tables and other extended=20 > discussions=20 > at a conference? I'm not sure what conference would be best, MLA,=20 > Comp. & Writing, Computing in the Humanities (ACH)? >=20 > Ron >=20 > Ron Broglio > http://www.lcc.gatech.edu/~broglio > School of LCC > Georgia Tech >=20 > On May 12, 2004, at 11:09 PM, egoff@mindspring.com wrote: >=20 > > I would like to thank Manitoba98XP for his input. I already have a=20 > > working SPACE RPG. What I was actually looking for is what everone=20 > > else has been stating and someone, sorry I forget who at=20 > the moment I=20 > > have the message at home, found away to do it. Interactive Web with=20 > > the moo responding and changing. Either I look at the "command=20 > > console" in my chair and "click" the red button so set off=20 > red alert.=20 > > (that would be via the encore way) and/or I type "computer,=20 > Red Alert"=20 > > and the image/screen would change for encore users. This with sound=20 > > would be cool. I have more message to read so I'm sure I'll=20 > see plenty=20 > > more ideas. > > > > > > As an addeneum I think that the sharing of ideas is great. I also=20 > > think anyway to bring "moo" into the 21st century is cool=20 > but keep in=20 > > mind the medium your dealing with. Lets all keep the=20 > enthusiam rolling=20 > > and run with this. > > > > > > Edward > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 From raking@office.uncg.edu Thu May 13 10:27:24 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 13 May 2004 10:27:24 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 764D75C0D for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 10:27:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54DA24C3F for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 10:27:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03497-01-15 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 10:27:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hygeia.uncg.edu (hygeia.uncg.edu [152.13.2.96]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id F278C3561 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 10:27:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from office.uncg.edu (office.uncg.edu [152.13.5.17]) by hygeia.uncg.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i4DFRKok017496 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:27:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from UNCG3-MTA by office.uncg.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:27:20 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.5 Beta Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 11:27:04 -0400 From: "Robert King" To: Subject: [encore] Re: Ideas, computers and reactions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-RAVMilter-Version: 8.4.2(snapshot 20021217) (hygeia) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1095 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: raking@office.uncg.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: raking@office.uncg.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore I would vote in the affirmative for Ivan's suggestion that we look at the = CSCW conference and/or organization. In my experience CSCW is a field that = provides a very fitting home for developing MOO and its discourse. I have = not been to one of the conferences, but have found some very helpful = articles in posted proceedings that are right on target with many points = raised in this recent discussion. ______________________________________ Bob King eLearning Consultant School of Education University of North Carolina at Greensboro bob_king@uncg.edu (336) 256-0415 Director Interdisciplinary Center for eLearning (ICE) University of North Carolina at Greensboro http://ice.uncg.edu >>> "Ivan Tomek" 05/13/04 11:11AM >>> Another possibility is the CSCW (Computer Supported Collaborative Work) = conference in Chicago this Fall.=20 Ivan Ivan Tomek School of Computer Science Acadia University Canada > -----Original Message----- > From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu]On=20= > Behalf Of Ron Broglio > Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 9:14 AM > To: encore@utdallas.edu=20 > Subject: [encore] Re: Ideas, computers and reactions >=20 >=20 > There have been so many different and interesting threads=20 > here. Would=20 > it be worth holding several round tables and other extended=20 > discussions=20 > at a conference? I'm not sure what conference would be best, MLA,=20 > Comp. & Writing, Computing in the Humanities (ACH)? >=20 > Ron >=20 > Ron Broglio > http://www.lcc.gatech.edu/~broglio=20 > School of LCC > Georgia Tech >=20 > On May 12, 2004, at 11:09 PM, egoff@mindspring.com wrote: >=20 > > I would like to thank Manitoba98XP for his input. I already have a=20 > > working SPACE RPG. What I was actually looking for is what everone=20 > > else has been stating and someone, sorry I forget who at=20 > the moment I=20 > > have the message at home, found away to do it. Interactive Web with=20 > > the moo responding and changing. Either I look at the "command=20 > > console" in my chair and "click" the red button so set off=20 > red alert.=20 > > (that would be via the encore way) and/or I type "computer,=20 > Red Alert"=20 > > and the image/screen would change for encore users. This with sound=20 > > would be cool. I have more message to read so I'm sure I'll=20 > see plenty=20 > > more ideas. > > > > > > As an addeneum I think that the sharing of ideas is great. I also=20 > > think anyway to bring "moo" into the 21st century is cool=20 > but keep in=20 > > mind the medium your dealing with. Lets all keep the=20 > enthusiam rolling=20 > > and run with this. > > > > > > Edward > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 From jeank@email.arizona.edu Thu May 13 10:30:24 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 13 May 2004 10:30:25 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3A6C5BAA for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 10:30:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBC5A4C53 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 10:30:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03593-01-35 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 10:30:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (smeagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.141]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89FA034CC for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 10:30:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from JEAN2 (dhcp-9687415f.ltc.arizona.edu [150.135.65.95]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 54339609D6B for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 08:30:18 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <006b01c438ff$322be550$5f418796@ltc.arizona.edu> From: "jeank" To: References: Subject: [encore] Re: Ideas, computers and reactions Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 08:30:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0068_01C438C4.858E56A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at email.arizona.edu X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1096 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jeank@email.arizona.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jeank@email.arizona.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C438C4.858E56A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Building on those ideas, the following organizations attract (to varying = degrees) faculty, instructional designers, and programmer/developers = interested in teaching/learning products developed at the institutional = levels.=20 POD (The Professional and Organizational Development Network in Higher = Education) http://www.podnetwork.org/ NLII (National Learning Infrastructure Initiative), = http://www.educause.edu/nlii EDUCAUSE http://www.educause.edu AAHE (American Association for Higher Education), http://www.aahe.org/ NMC (New Media Consortium) http://www.nmc.org/ Jean Jean Kreis, M.Ed., M.A. EDUCAUSE NLII 2004 Fellow University of Arizona Program Coordinator, Sr. Web-Based Instructional Tools Learning Technologies Center, Rm. 337 PO Box 21007 1077 N. Highland Ave. Tucson, AZ 85721-0073 phone 520.626.8071 fax 520.626.8220 jeank@u.arizona.edu http://www.ic.arizona.edu/~jeank ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Ivan Tomek" To: ; Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 8:11 AM Subject: [encore] Re: Ideas, computers and reactions Another possibility is the CSCW (Computer Supported Collaborative Work) = conference in Chicago this Fall.=20 Ivan Ivan Tomek School of Computer Science Acadia University Canada > -----Original Message----- > From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu]On > Behalf Of Ron Broglio > Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 9:14 AM > To: encore@utdallas.edu > Subject: [encore] Re: Ideas, computers and reactions >=20 >=20 > There have been so many different and interesting threads=20 > here. Would=20 > it be worth holding several round tables and other extended=20 > discussions=20 > at a conference? I'm not sure what conference would be best, MLA,=20 > Comp. & Writing, Computing in the Humanities (ACH)? >=20 > Ron >=20 > Ron Broglio > http://www.lcc.gatech.edu/~broglio > School of LCC > Georgia Tech >=20 > On May 12, 2004, at 11:09 PM, egoff@mindspring.com wrote: >=20 > > I would like to thank Manitoba98XP for his input. I already have a=20 > > working SPACE RPG. What I was actually looking for is what everone=20 > > else has been stating and someone, sorry I forget who at=20 > the moment I=20 > > have the message at home, found away to do it. Interactive Web with=20 > > the moo responding and changing. Either I look at the "command=20 > > console" in my chair and "click" the red button so set off=20 > red alert.=20 > > (that would be via the encore way) and/or I type "computer,=20 > Red Alert"=20 > > and the image/screen would change for encore users. This with sound=20 > > would be cool. I have more message to read so I'm sure I'll=20 > see plenty=20 > > more ideas. > > > > > > As an addeneum I think that the sharing of ideas is great. I also=20 > > think anyway to bring "moo" into the 21st century is cool=20 > but keep in=20 > > mind the medium your dealing with. Lets all keep the=20 > enthusiam rolling=20 > > and run with this. > > > > > > Edward > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C438C4.858E56A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Building on those ideas, the following=20 organizations attract (to varying degrees) faculty, instructional = designers, and=20 programmer/developers interested in teaching/learning products developed = at the=20 institutional levels.
 
POD (The Professional and = Organizational=20 Development Network in Higher Education) http://www.podnetwork.org/=
 
NLII (National Learning Infrastructure=20 Initiative), http://www.educause.edu/nlii
 
EDUCAUSE http://www.educause.edu
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AAHE (American Association for Higher=20 Education), http://www.aahe.org/
 
NMC (New Media Consortium) http://www.nmc.org/
 
Jean
 
Jean Kreis, M.Ed., M.A.
EDUCAUSE = NLII 2004=20 Fellow
 
University of Arizona
Program = Coordinator,=20 Sr.
Web-Based Instructional Tools
Learning Technologies Center, = Rm.=20 337
PO Box 21007
1077 N. Highland Ave.
Tucson, AZ = 85721-0073
phone=20 520.626.8071
fax 520.626.8220
jeank@u.arizona.edu
http://www.ic.arizona.edu/~jean= k
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ivan Tomek" <ivan.tomek@acadiau.ca>
To: <rbroglio@earthlink.net>;=20 <encore@utdallas.edu>
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 8:11 = AM
Subject: [encore] Re: Ideas, computers = and=20 reactions

Another possibility is the CSCW (Computer Supported = Collaborative Work)=20 conference in Chicago this Fall.

Ivan

Ivan = Tomek
School of=20 Computer Science
Acadia University
Canada


> = -----Original=20 Message-----
> From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu=20 [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu]On
> Behalf Of Ron = Broglio
>=20 Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 9:14 AM
> To: encore@utdallas.edu
> Subject:=20 [encore] Re: Ideas, computers and reactions
>
>
> = There have=20 been so many different and interesting threads
> here.  = Would=20
> it be worth holding several round tables and other extended =
>=20 discussions
> at a conference?  I'm not sure what conference = would=20 be best, MLA,
> Comp. & Writing, Computing in the Humanities=20 (ACH)?
>
> Ron
>
> Ron Broglio
> = http://www.lcc.gatech.edu/~broglio
> School of LCC
> Georgia Tech
>
> On May = 12, 2004,=20 at 11:09 PM, egoff@mindspring.com = wrote:
>=20
> > I would like to thank Manitoba98XP for his input. I = already have a=20
> > working SPACE RPG. What I was actually looking for is what = everone=20
> > else has been stating and someone, sorry I forget who at =
>=20 the moment I
> > have the message at home, found away to do = it.=20 Interactive Web with
> > the moo responding and changing. = Either I=20 look at the "command
> > console" in my chair and "click" the = red=20 button so set off
> red alert.
> > (that would be via = the=20 encore way) and/or I type "computer,
> Red Alert"
> > = and the=20 image/screen would change for encore users. This with sound
> = > would=20 be cool. I have more message to read so I'm sure I'll
> see = plenty=20
> > more ideas.
> >
> >
> > As an = addeneum=20 I think that the sharing of ideas is great. I also
> > think = anyway to=20 bring "moo" into the 21st century is cool
> but keep in
> = >=20 mind the medium your dealing with. Lets all keep the
> enthusiam = rolling=20
> > and run with this.
> >
> >
> >=20 Edward
> >
> >
>
>
>=20

------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C438C4.858E56A0-- From ivan.tomek@acadiau.ca Thu May 13 10:42:57 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 13 May 2004 10:42:57 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C1125BAA for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 10:42:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EAA14C98 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 10:42:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05760-01-2 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 10:42:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hades.acadiau.ca (hades.acadiau.ca [131.162.201.35]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A9F33574 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 10:42:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (hades.acadiau.ca [131.162.201.35]) by hades.acadiau.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 885B08C069D for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 12:42:48 -0300 (ADT) Received: from hades.acadiau.ca ([131.162.201.35]) by localhost (hades.acadiau.ca [131.162.201.35]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 99118-01-37 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 12:42:47 -0300 (ADT) Received: from exchange.ad.acadiau.ca (exchange.acadiau.ca [131.162.200.60]) by hades.acadiau.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCD308C0699 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 12:42:47 -0300 (ADT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [encore] Re: Ideas, computers and reactions Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 12:42:47 -0300 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [encore] Re: Ideas, computers and reactions Thread-Index: AcQ4/tmVE9AEtmmwRYmf+ENpOJm6VwAAf/Zg From: "Ivan Tomek" To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at acadiau.ca X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1097 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: ivan.tomek@acadiau.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-to: ivan.tomek@acadiau.ca List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Thanks Bob. Here is the URL http://www.acm.org/cscw2004/ In fact, they are still open for panel submissions until May 21. Ivan Ivan Tomek School of Computer Science Acadia University Canada > -----Original Message----- > From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu]On > Behalf Of Robert King > Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 11:27 AM > To: encore@utdallas.edu > Subject: [encore] Re: Ideas, computers and reactions >=20 >=20 > I would vote in the affirmative for Ivan's suggestion that we=20 > look at the CSCW conference and/or organization. In my=20 > experience CSCW is a field that provides a very fitting home=20 > for developing MOO and its discourse. I have not been to one=20 > of the conferences, but have found some very helpful articles=20 > in posted proceedings that are right on target with many=20 > points raised in this recent discussion. >=20 >=20 > ______________________________________ > Bob King >=20 > eLearning Consultant > School of Education > University of North Carolina at Greensboro > bob_king@uncg.edu > (336) 256-0415 >=20 > Director > Interdisciplinary Center for eLearning (ICE) > University of North Carolina at Greensboro > http://ice.uncg.edu >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > >>> "Ivan Tomek" 05/13/04 11:11AM >>> > Another possibility is the CSCW (Computer Supported=20 > Collaborative Work) conference in Chicago this Fall.=20 >=20 > Ivan >=20 > Ivan Tomek > School of Computer Science > Acadia University > Canada >=20 >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu=20 > [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu]On=20 > > Behalf Of Ron Broglio > > Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 9:14 AM > > To: encore@utdallas.edu=20 > > Subject: [encore] Re: Ideas, computers and reactions > >=20 > >=20 > > There have been so many different and interesting threads=20 > > here. Would=20 > > it be worth holding several round tables and other extended=20 > > discussions=20 > > at a conference? I'm not sure what conference would be best, MLA,=20 > > Comp. & Writing, Computing in the Humanities (ACH)? > >=20 > > Ron > >=20 > > Ron Broglio > > http://www.lcc.gatech.edu/~broglio=20 > > School of LCC > > Georgia Tech > >=20 > > On May 12, 2004, at 11:09 PM, egoff@mindspring.com wrote: > >=20 > > > I would like to thank Manitoba98XP for his input. I=20 > already have a=20 > > > working SPACE RPG. What I was actually looking for is=20 > what everone=20 > > > else has been stating and someone, sorry I forget who at=20 > > the moment I=20 > > > have the message at home, found away to do it.=20 > Interactive Web with=20 > > > the moo responding and changing. Either I look at the "command=20 > > > console" in my chair and "click" the red button so set off=20 > > red alert.=20 > > > (that would be via the encore way) and/or I type "computer,=20 > > Red Alert"=20 > > > and the image/screen would change for encore users. This=20 > with sound=20 > > > would be cool. I have more message to read so I'm sure I'll=20 > > see plenty=20 > > > more ideas. > > > > > > > > > As an addeneum I think that the sharing of ideas is great. I also=20 > > > think anyway to bring "moo" into the 21st century is cool=20 > > but keep in=20 > > > mind the medium your dealing with. Lets all keep the=20 > > enthusiam rolling=20 > > > and run with this. > > > > > > > > > Edward > > > > > > > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From milokp@fingerferrit.dyndns.org Thu May 13 11:31:45 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 13 May 2004 11:31:45 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59B0E5BAA for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:31:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 477A24BA2 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:31:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12351-01-11 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:31:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from fingerferrit.dyndns.org (brhspc75.bridgman.k12.mi.us [198.109.252.75]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BAF0355B for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:31:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: by fingerferrit.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 65265FE903; Thu, 13 May 2004 12:28:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fingerferrit.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 607E1220E09 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 12:28:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 12:28:33 -0400 (EDT) From: MPs To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] MOO in the 21st Century Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1098 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: milokp@fingerferrit.dyndns.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: milokp@fingerferrit.dyndns.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore All this talk of updating enCore and possible other systems is, incidently, in line with a personal project I am working on. While working on my project, a [hopefully] scalable, distributed system, I came across this article at Gamasutra [a site about programming, with emphasis on games].[reference 1] Gamasutra requires a free login, but, in short the article, dated sept,2003, discusses a new massively multi-player online [MMO] game named Second Life [reference 2]. The article is more stinted towards scaling a game to be so large, but the game itself sounds like they took the moo idea and re-tooled it to the "gee whiz" graphics of today. Apparently everything is graphical, but everything can also be scripted. I would, in now way, suggest that enCore be taken this far, but it does make for an interesting read. While I have never played Second Life, as it requires you to have broadband, it would be interesting to see how they activate the scripts and if we could use a similar mechanism or idea. --Miles P References 1) The article on Gamasutra http://gamasutra.com/resource_guide/20030916/rosedale_01.shtml 2) Second Life's Web Page: http://secondlife.com From djh@dmu.ac.uk Fri May 14 07:20:55 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 14 May 2004 07:20:55 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAD055BAA for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 07:20:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7740B585D for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 07:20:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09590-01-89 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 07:20:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dmu.ac.uk (motown.dmu.ac.uk [146.227.1.21]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E03333574 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 07:20:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from vinku.hum.dmu.ac.uk (vinku.hum.dmu.ac.uk [146.227.40.53]) by dmu.ac.uk (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i4ECISbu010453 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 13:18:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (djh@localhost) by vinku.hum.dmu.ac.uk (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) with ESMTP id i4ECFDAf007029 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 13:15:13 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: vinku.hum.dmu.ac.uk: djh owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 13:15:12 +0100 (BST) From: David James Houghton X-X-Sender: djh@vinku.hum.dmu.ac.uk To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Internal server error. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DMU-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-DMU-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: djh@dmu.ac.uk X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1099 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: djh@dmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: djh@dmu.ac.uk List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hello One of our wizards recycled a room in which he was standing and now gets an internal server error all the time. Is there a way to recover from this ? regards -- Dave Houghton djh@dmu.ac.uk System Manager Faculty of Humanities Work Tel. No. 0116 2506125 Clephan Building, Room 0.35 De Montfort University Leicester LE1 9BH From fox@vader.aacc.edu Fri May 14 08:39:46 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 14 May 2004 08:39:47 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC9C75BAA for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:39:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D31F58AA for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:39:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17235-01-78 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:39:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from vader.aacc.edu (vader.aacc.edu [12.167.138.28]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24B5A35A7 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:39:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from vader.aacc.edu (IDENT:v0vlTnnCQDXBK7qOTJnSEvhn4IT6VSIz@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vader.aacc.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i4EDdMuU015493; Fri, 14 May 2004 09:39:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (fox@localhost) by vader.aacc.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id i4EDdMWJ015489; Fri, 14 May 2004 09:39:22 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 09:39:22 -0400 (EDT) From: PauAmma To: David James Houghton Cc: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Re: Internal server error. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1100 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: fox@vader.aacc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: fox@vader.aacc.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore On Fri, 14 May 2004, David James Houghton wrote: > One of our wizards recycled a room in which he was standing > and now gets an internal server error all the time. Is there > a way to recover from this ? Three. 1- Fix the bug that causes it. (and share the fix.) 2- Have another wizard move him, or have him move himself using a text client. 3- @toad him. Any of these should fix your problem. 2 is probably easier to implement and has less side-effects. -- "I'd ask if you'd found the right sort of isolated wasteland for your citadel of dread yet, but that would be a silly question; you're in Utah, after all." --ESR to Darl McBride (Chief Excessive Ossifier of Squandered Clues Obstination), in http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/mcbride.html From rbroglio@earthlink.net Fri May 14 07:39:37 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 14 May 2004 12:20:46 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 151D25BAA for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 07:39:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA7CD5BC6 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 07:39:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11173-01-96 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 07:39:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hellmouth4.gatech.edu (hellmouth4.gatech.edu [130.207.165.164]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D655B34CC for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 07:39:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hellmouth4.gatech.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hellmouth4.gatech.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id A7161A5E1 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:39:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from rbroglio@earthlink.net) Received: from mailprx3.gatech.edu (mailprx3.prism.gatech.edu [130.207.171.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.mail.gatech.edu", Issuer "RSA Data Security? Inc." (verified OK)) by hellmouth4.gatech.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90F30A485 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:39:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from rbroglio@earthlink.net) Received: from [130.207.147.82] (lccwest82.skiles.gatech.edu [130.207.147.82]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (sasl: method=PLAIN, username=rb236, sender=n/a) by mailprx3.gatech.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBDAF3A613 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:39:33 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from rbroglio@earthlink.net) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <34FD8366-A5A4-11D8-869B-0003939DFD34@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Ron Broglio Subject: [encore] login incorrect password message Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 08:42:48 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1101 X-Approved-By: cynthiah@utdallas.edu X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: rbroglio@earthlink.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: rbroglio@earthlink.net List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi folks, Our archwizard isn't active in the MOO anymore. As the current MOO administrator, I'm trying to change the popup message received when a player logs in with an incorrect password. It currently tells the player to contact the archwizard. I'd like the player to contact me instead. I have changed the following but it hasn't made a difference in the popup: $network.postmaster $network.errors_to_address $network.envelope_from $network.usual_postmaster $network.password_postmaster $login.registration_address I'm not sure what command calls the popup; so, I don't know where to make the change. thanks. Ron From fox@vader.aacc.edu Fri May 14 12:45:02 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 14 May 2004 12:45:03 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDDE25BAA for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:45:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9EAB15B9C for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:45:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17070-01-64 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:45:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from vader.aacc.edu (vader.aacc.edu [12.167.138.28]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D0343386 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:45:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from vader.aacc.edu (IDENT:9JfokiV44QeeTNkpJzKHAFcGaDR4qRvU@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vader.aacc.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i4EHituU016054; Fri, 14 May 2004 13:44:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (fox@localhost) by vader.aacc.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id i4EHitIE016050; Fri, 14 May 2004 13:44:55 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 13:44:55 -0400 (EDT) From: PauAmma To: Ron Broglio Cc: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Re: login incorrect password message In-Reply-To: <34FD8366-A5A4-11D8-869B-0003939DFD34@earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1102 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: fox@vader.aacc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: fox@vader.aacc.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore On Fri, 14 May 2004, Ron Broglio wrote: > Hi folks, > Our archwizard isn't active in the MOO anymore. As the current MOO > administrator, I'm trying to change the popup message received when a > player logs in with an incorrect password. Since you mention a pop-up message, I assume you mean "login using the GUI." See $httpd:authenticate. -- "I'd ask if you'd found the right sort of isolated wasteland for your citadel of dread yet, but that would be a silly question; you're in Utah, after all." --ESR to Darl McBride (Chief Excessive Ossifier of Squandered Clues Obstination), in http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/mcbride.html From Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Sat May 15 06:21:16 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Sat, 15 May 2004 06:21:17 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DEE75BC7 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 06:21:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 704F7A624 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 06:21:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11594-01 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 06:21:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 3FB08353D for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 06:21:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from irvin.accdvm.accd.edu [10.1.11.19] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Sat, 15 May 2004 06:20:35 CST Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040515061417.00a76300@accdvm.accd.edu> X-Sender: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 06:20:56 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Lennie Irvin Subject: [encore] Announcing The Barn! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1103 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Please take a peek at the new "repository of objects and resources" for EnCore MOO that I have created. It is definitely a prototype, so please send along your suggestions. It is also thinly populated with code, so please send along your stuff or links to objects you know about. I hope you find it useful! Go visit The Barn -- http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/barn/default.htm Lennie L. Lennie Irvin Department of English, San Antonio College San Antonio, TX http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/ AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/ From Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Sun May 16 07:39:14 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Sun, 16 May 2004 07:39:14 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50F875BAA for ; Sun, 16 May 2004 07:39:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B6B257D0 for ; Sun, 16 May 2004 07:39:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08838-01-10 for ; Sun, 16 May 2004 07:39:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 6CD213562 for ; Sun, 16 May 2004 07:39:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from irvin.accdvm.accd.edu [10.1.11.8] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Sun, 16 May 2004 07:38:32 CST Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040516073330.00a7acb0@accdvm.accd.edu> X-Sender: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 07:38:42 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Lennie Irvin Subject: [encore] MOO Server Pages Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_94849321==.ALT" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1104 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore --=====================_94849321==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed In my wanderings to accumulate materials to include in the Barn, I came across an interesting tool developed by MOO Canada. Here's the description and the link: 1. What the heck is MSP? Moo Server Pages are a simple mixture of HTML and the Moo programming language. This allows one to create programmable web pages very quickly. Start by coding your HTML page, then use the MSP tags to insert Moo code that will run as the page is served. MSP works with all browsers since the Moo code runs on our server, and the browser just receives resultant HTML so the receiving browser needs no special capabilities. 2. How does it compare with other systems? There are three systems similar to MSP. Microsoft developed Active Server Pages (ASP) which combines HTML and any of their programming languages (VBScript, JScript, etc). Sun developed Java Server Pages (JSP) which combines HTML and Java. PHP is another variant on the theme. All of these systems use the same simple concepts and the same code tags. http://www.moo.ca/8186 I think this is the first time I have seen a web page invoke commands in the MOO. Very interesting. Lennie L. Lennie Irvin Department of English, San Antonio College San Antonio, TX http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/ AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/ --=====================_94849321==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" In my wanderings to accumulate materials to include in the Barn, I came across an interesting tool developed by MOO Canada.  Here's the description and the link:

1. What the heck is MSP?

Moo Server Pages are a simple mixture of HTML and the Moo programming language. This allows one to create programmable web pages very quickly. Start by coding your HTML page, then use the MSP tags to insert Moo code that will run as the page is served. MSP works with all browsers since the Moo code runs on our server, and the browser just receives resultant HTML so the receiving browser needs no special capabilities.

2. How does it compare with other systems?

There are three systems similar to MSP. Microsoft developed Active Server Pages (ASP) which combines HTML and any of their programming languages (VBScript, JScript, etc). Sun developed Java Server Pages (JSP) which combines HTML and Java. PHP is another variant on the theme. All of these systems use the same simple concepts and the same code tags.

http://www.moo.ca/8186

I think this is the first time I have seen a web page invoke commands in the MOO.  Very interesting.

Lennie

L. Lennie Irvin
Department of English, San Antonio College
San Antonio, TX

http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/
AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/
 --=====================_94849321==.ALT-- From djh@dmu.ac.uk Mon May 17 02:30:47 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 17 May 2004 02:30:47 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D68845BAA for ; Mon, 17 May 2004 02:30:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7838ACE5 for ; Mon, 17 May 2004 02:30:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14381-01-80 for ; Mon, 17 May 2004 02:30:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dmu.ac.uk (motown.dmu.ac.uk [146.227.1.21]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCCAB353D for ; Mon, 17 May 2004 02:30:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from vinku.hum.dmu.ac.uk (vinku.hum.dmu.ac.uk [146.227.40.53]) by dmu.ac.uk (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i4H7ULYc019252 for ; Mon, 17 May 2004 08:30:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (djh@localhost) by vinku.hum.dmu.ac.uk (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) with ESMTP id i4H7QuV1019465 for ; Mon, 17 May 2004 08:26:56 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: vinku.hum.dmu.ac.uk: djh owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 08:26:56 +0100 (BST) From: David James Houghton X-X-Sender: djh@vinku.hum.dmu.ac.uk To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Re: Internal server error. (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DMU-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-DMU-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: djh@dmu.ac.uk X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1105 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: djh@dmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: djh@dmu.ac.uk List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hello, A number of people have kindly got back to me regarding the problem of our wizrd deleting the room he was standing in. Sadly the move() suggestions don't work as I get the message "Either wizardname doesn't want to go, Or Location didn't accept it." If I try to log the wizard on he seems to go to a location which the Who Browser shows as session for #2 This wizard has created lots of objects that are used by our students daily. If I @toad him will we loose all of his objects ? Any help gratefully received regards -- Dave Houghton djh@dmu.ac.uk System Manager Faculty of Humanities Work Tel. No. 0116 2506125 Clephan Building, Room 0.35 De Montfort University Leicester LE1 9BH ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 09:30:12 -0400 From: Alexandre Borgia To: djh@dmu.ac.uk Subject: RE: [encore] Internal server error. > > Hello > > One of our wizards recycled a room in which he was > standing and now gets an internal server error all the > time. Is there a way to recover from this ? > > regards > From Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Mon May 17 05:54:12 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 17 May 2004 05:54:12 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E7F85BAA for ; Mon, 17 May 2004 05:54:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20E3BAF71 for ; Mon, 17 May 2004 05:54:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26865-01-58 for ; Mon, 17 May 2004 05:54:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id A5F3B3523 for ; Mon, 17 May 2004 05:54:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from irvin.accdvm.accd.edu [10.1.11.49] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Mon, 17 May 2004 05:53:28 CST Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040517054912.00a783c0@accdvm.accd.edu> X-Sender: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 05:53:52 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Lennie Irvin Subject: [encore] Re: MOO Server Pages In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040516073330.00a7acb0@accdvm.accd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_36174800==.ALT" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1106 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore --=====================_36174800==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Alex, I think it looks pretty interesting too. Have you already been working on a similar type of "inline scripting?" Do you think this kind of capability is possible for EnCore? Lennie At 01:25 PM 5/16/04 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Lennie, > > > > This is indeed very interesting. Even though enCore is > web-based it is very hard to make some decent web content easily, the > first reason being that you must programall dynamic web pages from > scratch. I actually came with a similar proposal and posted it on the > mailing-list a couple of months ago (subject was: Introduction to inline > scripting). In fact, I also based my implementation on ASP (from which > MSPsyntax originates as well). I was not aware that such development was > done elsewhere. Thank for pointing it out;) > > > > - Alexandre Borgia > > > > > >---------- >From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu] On >Behalf Of Lennie Irvin >Sent: 16 mai 2004 08:39 >To: encore@utdallas.edu >Subject: [encore] MOO Server Pages > > > >In my wanderings to accumulate materials to include in the Barn, I came >across an interesting tool developed by MOO Canada. Here's the >description and the link: > > >1. What the heck is MSP? > > > >Moo Server Pages are a simple mixture of HTML and the Moo programming >language. This allows one to create programmable web pages very quickly. >Start by coding your HTML page, then use the MSP tags to insert Moo code >that will run as the page is served. MSP works with all browsers since the >Moo code runs on our server, and the browser just receives resultant HTML >so the receiving browser needs no special capabilities. > > >2. How does it compare with other systems? > > > >There are three systems similar to MSP. Microsoft developed >Active Server Pages >(ASP) which combines HTML and any of their programming languages >(VBScript, JScript, etc). Sun developed >Java Server Pages >(JSP) which combines HTML and Java. >PHP is another >variant on the theme. All of these systems use the same simple concepts >and the same code tags. > >http://www.moo.ca/8186 > >I think this is the first time I have seen a web page invoke commands in >the MOO. Very interesting. > >Lennie > > >L. Lennie Irvin >Department of English, San Antonio College >San Antonio, TX > >http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/ >AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/ L. Lennie Irvin Department of English, San Antonio College San Antonio, TX http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/ AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/ --=====================_36174800==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Alex,

I think it looks pretty interesting too.  Have you already been working on a similar type of "inline scripting?"  Do you think this kind of capability is possible for EnCore?

Lennie


At 01:25 PM 5/16/04 -0400, you wrote:

Hi Lennie,

 

            This is indeed very interesting.  Even though enCore is web-based it is very hard to make some decent web content easily, the first reason being that you must programall dynamic web pages from scratch.  I actually came with a similar proposal and posted it on the mailing-list a couple of months ago (subject was: Introduction to inline scripting).  In fact, I also based my implementation on ASP (from which MSPsyntax originates as well).  I was not aware that such development was done elsewhere.  Thank for pointing it out;)

 

            - Alexandre Borgia

 

 
From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu] On Behalf Of Lennie Irvin
Sent: 16 mai 2004 08:39
To: encore@utdallas.edu
Subject: [encore] MOO Server Pages

 

In my wanderings to accumulate materials to include in the Barn, I came across an interesting tool developed by MOO Canada.  Here's the description and the link:

1. What the heck is MSP?



Moo Server Pages are a simple mixture of HTML and the Moo programming language. This allows one to create programmable web pages very quickly. Start by coding your HTML page, then use the MSP tags to insert Moo code that will run as the page is served. MSP works with all browsers since the Moo code runs on our server, and the browser just receives resultant HTML so the receiving browser needs no special capabilities.

2. How does it compare with other systems?



There are three systems similar to MSP. Microsoft developed Active Server Pages (ASP) which combines HTML and any of their programming languages (VBScript, JScript, etc). Sun developed Java Server Pages (JSP) which combines HTML and Java. PHP is another variant on the theme. All of these systems use the same simple concepts and the same code tags.

http://www.moo.ca/8186

I think this is the first time I have seen a web page invoke commands in the MOO.  Very interesting.

Lennie


L. Lennie Irvin
Department of English, San Antonio College
San Antonio, TX

http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/
AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/

L. Lennie Irvin
Department of English, San Antonio College
San Antonio, TX

http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/
AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/
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Don't buy gas on May 19th

 

 

 

            IT HAS BEEN CALCULATED THAT IF EVERYONE IN THE UNITED STATES

            DID NOT PURCHASE A DROP OF GASOLINE FOR ONE DAY AND ALL AT THE

            SAME TIME, THE OIL COMPANIES WOULD CHOKE ON THEIR STOCKPILES.

 

             AT THE SAME TIME IT WOULD HIT THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY WITH A NET

             LOSS OF OVER 4.6 BILLION DOLLARS WHICH AFFECTS THE BOTTOM

             LINES OF THE OIL COMPANIES.

 

             THEREFORE MAY 19TH HAS BEEN FORMALLY DECLARED "STICK IT UP

             THEIR  NOSE " DAY AND THE PEOPLE OF THIS NATION SHOULD NOT

             BUY A SINGLE DROP OF GASOLINE THAT DAY.

 

             THE ONLY WAY THIS CAN BE DONE IS IF YOU FORWARD THIS E-MAIL TO

             AS MANY PEOPLE AS YOU CAN AND AS QUICKLY AS YOU CAN TO GET THE

             WORD OUT.

 

             WAITING ON THIS ADMIINSTRATION TO STEP IN AND CONTROL THE

             PRICES IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE REDUCTION

             AND CONTROL IN PRICES THAT THE ARAB NATIONS PROMISED TWO WEEKS

             AGO?

 

             REMEMBER ONE THING, NOT ONLY IS THE PRICE OF GASOLINE GOING UP

             BUT AT THE SAME TIME AIRLINES ARE FORCED TO RAISE THEIR

             PRICES, TRUCKING COMPANIES ARE FORCED TO RAISE THEIR PRICES

             WHICH EFFECTS PRICES ON EVERYTHING THAT IS SHIPPED. THINGS

             LIKE FOOD, CLOTHING, BUILDING MATERIALS, MEDICAL SUPPLIES ETC.

             WHO PAYS IN THE END? WE DO!

 

             WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE. IF THEY DON'T GET THE MESSAGE AFTER

             ONE DAY, WE WILL DO IT AGAIN AND AGAIN.

 

             SO DO YOUR PART AND SPREAD THE WORD. FORWARD THIS EMAIL TO

             EVERYONE YOU KNOW. MARK YOUR CALENDARS AND MAKE MAY 19TH A DAY

             THAT THE CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES SAY "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH"



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SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. --0-730203766-1084659517=:15994-- --part2_1d2.2115c321.2dd8390a_boundary-- ------=_NextPart_000_6353_6fb7_542e-- From silver@phoenyx.net Tue May 18 21:35:55 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 18 May 2004 21:35:55 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 436E35BAA for ; Tue, 18 May 2004 21:35:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16AEF4AC9 for ; Tue, 18 May 2004 21:35:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22269-01-11 for ; Tue, 18 May 2004 21:35:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lists.wirebird.com (lists.wirebird.com [207.178.110.185]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61C8C34CC for ; Tue, 18 May 2004 21:35:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (silver@localhost) by lists.wirebird.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA32038 for ; Tue, 18 May 2004 21:35:52 -0500 Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 21:35:51 -0500 (CDT) From: "Karen J. Cravens" X-X-Sender: silver@lists.wirebird.com To: Renee Pontious Subject: [encore] Re: FW: Fwd: gasoline In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1109 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: silver@phoenyx.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: silver@phoenyx.net List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore On Wed, 19 May 2004, Renee Pontious wrote: Nothing personal, but boy, am I sick of seeing this stupidity forwarded everywhere. My web access is down right now, but if you go to http://www.snopes.com/ and probably look in the current-events section for the Gas-Out page, you'll see that... well, you'll see. -- Karen J. Cravens silver@phoenyx.net From Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Thu May 20 06:20:41 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 20 May 2004 06:20:42 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2C415BAA for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 06:20:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75EADA50C for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 06:20:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23923-01-41 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 06:20:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 19F783556 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 06:20:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from irvin.accdvm.accd.edu [10.1.11.17] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Thu, 20 May 2004 06:19:56 CST Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040520061228.00a82d50@accdvm.accd.edu> X-Sender: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 06:20:19 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Lennie Irvin Subject: [encore] Re: A question to ponder for all. In-Reply-To: <001d01c43830$2f102770$5f418796@ltc.arizona.edu> References: <23489686.1084332131350.JavaMail.root@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=7.0 tagged_above=3.0 required=8.0 tests=BAYES_99 X-Spam-Level: ******* X-archive-position: 1110 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Jean, I've been pondering over your email every since you sent it. I also agree with your statement: "Having supported both a variety of CMS's (Blackboard, WebCT, D2L, POLIS, and a variety of other homegrown ones) as well as chat-systems, for the past 5 years, I can say that there is not one CMS or chat-system that has the global capacity that the MOO possesses." I agree that MOOs offer things that other CMS's don't. I've also been very interested in exploring the Sakai Project. It looks like their release won't be until July 2004, so we can't see what their cms will be like. What interested me was 1) the way they have organized their project (a possible good model for us) 2) the possibility that EnCore could get incorporated into Sakai. Although it seems unlikely, who would we contact at Sakai to discuss this question? Lennie At 07:48 AM 5/12/04 -0700, you wrote: > > Organization: > I agree with Jason that something larger than each of us should come > out of this. Minimally a consortium with a site and advisors to guide > things along. Having been on such committees in the past and currently > participating on a committee promoting Open Source development for a >certain CMS - there are several issues that need to be considered to > get such a thing off the ground. > >I am not sure how many of you are aware of the Sakai project, an Open Source >CMS (second generation CMS project) via a consortium of institutions. One >possibility, rather than duplicating the work of creating another CMS >project to house the MOO, is to explore the feasability of incorporating the >MOO code within the project that already exists. This is especially >advantageous since most CMS's (vendor-driven or institutionally created) >fall far behind the capabilities of the encore platform. Information >regarding the Sakai Project is at http://www.sakaiproject.org/ The >developers of the Sakai CMS are colleagues of ours. > > >The Issues >As a developer I see there are three issues of the MOO that could be >addressed by such a group: the Core (Encore), ancillary Core Code, and > the MOO 'engine' itself. Of course there are other areas of opportunity >but for the most part I see them arising out of these three - notably >community and best practices. > >I'm also not sure how many of you are familiar with the work of EDUCAUSE's >National Learning Infrastructure Initiative (NLII). Last year the >institutions affiliated with the organization came together in March to >examine what "next generation CMS's" needed to incorporate to facilitate >best practices of deeper learning principles. Following the Focus Session >(the work that was done by the 78 people can be reviewed at >http://www.educause.edu/asp/doclib/abstract.asp?ID=NLI0343 ) , a work group >was convened to define and explicate the functional requirements that were >identified as necessary to guide the development of any next-generation >CMS - whether Open Source or vendor created. The findings of the workgroup >were presented at the Annual Meeting in January and will be made available >on the website this summer. However, I have them and can make them available >to those that are interested > >Having supported both a variety of CMS's (Blackboard, WebCT, D2L, POLIS, and >a variety of other homegrown ones) as well as chat-systems, for the past 5 >years, I can say that there is not one CMS or chat-system that has the >global capacity that the MOO possesses. However, there has been little to no >work done to incorporate the MOO into any of the CMS projects - that I am >aware of. I've shown the OldPuebloMOO to WebCT vendors and how faculty have >integrated the two because the chat system within WebCT is so >poverty-stricken in the ability for faculty to accomplish what they can >accomplish within the encore MOO (The same is true of the other CMS >systems). However, like what has been stated, without a forum or body of >institutions calling for the inclusion of the MOO into the CMS platform, >there is little incentive to work towards bringing the technology into any >CMS. > >my two cents, >Jean > >Jean Kreis, M.Ed., M.A. >EDUCAUSE NLII 2004 Fellow > >University of Arizona >Program Coordinator, Sr. >Web-Based Instructional Tools >Learning Technologies Center, Rm. 337 >PO Box 21007 >1077 N. Highland Ave. >Tucson, AZ 85721-0073 >phone 520.626.8071 >fax 520.626.8220 >jeank@u.arizona.edu >http://www.ic.arizona.edu/~jeank L. Lennie Irvin Department of English, San Antonio College San Antonio, TX http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/ AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/ From Mark.A.ONeil@Dartmouth.EDU Thu May 20 09:07:06 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 20 May 2004 09:07:06 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76FC55BAA for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 09:07:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63706A589 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 09:07:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08782-01-51 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 09:07:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailhub4.dartmouth.edu (mailhub4.dartmouth.edu [129.170.17.94]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 301ED35B7 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 09:07:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [129.170.91.162] (moneil.Kiewit.dartmouth.edu [129.170.91.162]) by mailhub4.dartmouth.edu (8.12.10+DND/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i4KE6quB014968; Thu, 20 May 2004 10:06:52 -0400 In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20040520061228.00a82d50@accdvm.accd.edu> References: <23489686.1084332131350.JavaMail.root@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net> <5.2.1.1.0.20040520061228.00a82d50@accdvm.accd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: encore@utdallas.edu From: "Mark A. O'Neil" Subject: [encore] Re: A question to ponder for all. Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 10:06:53 -0400 To: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) X-MailScanner: No virus detected by mailhub4.Dartmouth.EDU X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1111 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Mark.A.ONeil@Dartmouth.EDU Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Mark.A.ONeil@Dartmouth.EDU List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore I am (okay Dartmouth is) a Sakai Educational Partner. I am our SEPP representative. If we (the encore/moo group here) have a discussion re how this could be integrated I could present it as a possible Tool project. We will need to be specific in our goals and requirements, and produce a document describing such. A quick turnaround would be good as they are currently looking at possible projects. I know for a fact that there is at least one other member who is interested in MOO technology and it's use in the EDU space. -m On May 20, 2004, at 7:20 AM, Lennie Irvin wrote: > 2) the possibility that EnCore could get incorporated into Sakai. > Although it seems unlikely, who would we contact at Sakai to discuss > this question? From ivan.tomek@acadiau.ca Thu May 20 09:23:33 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 20 May 2004 09:23:33 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C6465BAA for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 09:23:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47FE416767 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 09:23:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10231-01-84 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 09:23:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hades.acadiau.ca (hades.acadiau.ca [131.162.201.35]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A5AD3556 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 09:23:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (hades.acadiau.ca [131.162.201.35]) by hades.acadiau.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F83A8C0A7D; Thu, 20 May 2004 11:23:29 -0300 (ADT) Received: from hades.acadiau.ca ([131.162.201.35]) by localhost (hades.acadiau.ca [131.162.201.35]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 70617-01-82; Thu, 20 May 2004 11:23:28 -0300 (ADT) Received: from exchange.ad.acadiau.ca (exchange.acadiau.ca [131.162.200.60]) by hades.acadiau.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D37F8C0A7C; Thu, 20 May 2004 11:23:28 -0300 (ADT) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Subject: [encore] Re: A question to ponder for all. Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 11:23:28 -0300 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [encore] Re: A question to ponder for all. Thread-Index: AcQ+c8n/kBq4stDxTD2Zk3CpikxpgQAAbNvA From: "Ivan Tomek" To: , Cc: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at acadiau.ca X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1112 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: ivan.tomek@acadiau.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-to: ivan.tomek@acadiau.ca List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Mark, Since you are a Sakai member / partner, can you tell me what are the = possibilities for external input and suggestions? We are working on an = alternative MOO environment based on CVW and using an approach somewhat = different from enCore. Unfortunately, I will be leaving for several weeks next Tuesday and = probably won't have time to join the on-going discussion immediately. = However, I am interested in your exchanges and possibly participating in = your proposal. Ivan Ivan Tomek School of Computer Science Acadia University Canada > -----Original Message----- > From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu]On > Behalf Of Mark A. O'Neil > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 10:07 AM > To: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu > Cc: encore@utdallas.edu > Subject: [encore] Re: A question to ponder for all. >=20 >=20 > I am (okay Dartmouth is) a Sakai Educational Partner. I am our SEPP=20 > representative. If we (the encore/moo group here) have a=20 > discussion re=20 > how this could be integrated I could present it as a possible Tool=20 > project. We will need to be specific in our goals and=20 > requirements, and=20 > produce a document describing such. A quick turnaround would=20 > be good as=20 > they are currently looking at possible projects. >=20 > I know for a fact that there is at least one other member who is=20 > interested in MOO technology and it's use in the EDU space. >=20 > -m >=20 > On May 20, 2004, at 7:20 AM, Lennie Irvin wrote: >=20 > > 2) the possibility that EnCore could get incorporated into Sakai. =20 > > Although it seems unlikely, who would we contact at Sakai=20 > to discuss=20 > > this question? >=20 >=20 >=20 From raking@office.uncg.edu Thu May 20 10:40:55 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 20 May 2004 10:40:55 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 213EF5BAA for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 10:40:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5EB016876 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 10:40:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21049-01-59 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 10:40:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hygeia.uncg.edu (hygeia.uncg.edu [152.13.2.96]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EA6235CC for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 10:40:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from office.uncg.edu (office.uncg.edu [152.13.5.17]) by hygeia.uncg.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i4KFejin025723 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 11:40:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from UNCG3-MTA by office.uncg.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 20 May 2004 11:40:44 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.5 Beta Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 11:40:20 -0400 From: "Robert King" To: Subject: [encore] convergent thinking and media selection Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-RAVMilter-Version: 8.4.2(snapshot 20021217) (hygeia) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1113 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: raking@office.uncg.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: raking@office.uncg.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Many convergent ideas have been put forth on this list recently. A = possible problem exists, though, in that listservs as media are notorious = for not enabling convergence beyond initial brainstorming.=20 For this reason I think we need to plan and schedule something like a = "Future of MOO" conference (short papers/presentations, etc.) to be held = on someone's MOO server in order to further converge and document our = thinking. Any volunteers to host such a conference? I will volunteer = myself to be on a planning workgroup to come up with themes/topics. Bob ______________________________________ Bob King eLearning Consultant School of Education University of North Carolina at Greensboro bob_king@uncg.edu (336) 256-0415 Director Interdisciplinary Center for eLearning (ICE) University of North Carolina at Greensboro http://ice.uncg.edu From Mark.A.ONeil@Dartmouth.EDU Thu May 20 10:44:24 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 20 May 2004 10:44:25 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D35455BAA for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 10:44:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4BB516859 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 10:44:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21033-01-85 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 10:44:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailhub4.dartmouth.edu (mailhub4.dartmouth.edu [129.170.17.94]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D227355B for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 10:44:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [129.170.91.162] (moneil.Kiewit.dartmouth.edu [129.170.91.162]) by mailhub4.dartmouth.edu (8.12.10+DND/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i4KFiDuB018656; Thu, 20 May 2004 11:44:13 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <8C98FE32-AA74-11D8-9C05-000A9579F9D2@Dartmouth.EDU> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: enCore list From: "Mark A. O'Neil" Subject: [encore] Sakai (was Re: Re: A question to ponder for all.) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 11:44:15 -0400 To: ivan.tomek@acadiau.ca X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) X-MailScanner: No virus detected by mailhub4.Dartmouth.EDU X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1114 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Mark.A.ONeil@Dartmouth.EDU Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Mark.A.ONeil@Dartmouth.EDU List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Currently, input is only being gathered from members. I am fairly certain this will change once the core work is completed and released to the public. You can find more about Sakai and how to become a member at: http://www.sakaiproject.org/index.html -m On May 20, 2004, at 10:23 AM, Ivan Tomek wrote: > Mark, > > Since you are a Sakai member / partner, can you tell me what are the > possibilities for external input and suggestions? We are working on an > alternative MOO environment based on CVW and using an approach > somewhat different from enCore. > > Unfortunately, I will be leaving for several weeks next Tuesday and > probably won't have time to join the on-going discussion immediately. > However, I am interested in your exchanges and possibly participating > in your proposal. > > Ivan > > > Ivan Tomek > School of Computer Science > Acadia University > Canada > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu]On >> Behalf Of Mark A. O'Neil >> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 10:07 AM >> To: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu >> Cc: encore@utdallas.edu >> Subject: [encore] Re: A question to ponder for all. >> >> >> I am (okay Dartmouth is) a Sakai Educational Partner. I am our SEPP >> representative. If we (the encore/moo group here) have a >> discussion re >> how this could be integrated I could present it as a possible Tool >> project. We will need to be specific in our goals and >> requirements, and >> produce a document describing such. A quick turnaround would >> be good as >> they are currently looking at possible projects. >> >> I know for a fact that there is at least one other member who is >> interested in MOO technology and it's use in the EDU space. >> >> -m >> >> On May 20, 2004, at 7:20 AM, Lennie Irvin wrote: >> >>> 2) the possibility that EnCore could get incorporated into Sakai. >>> Although it seems unlikely, who would we contact at Sakai >> to discuss >>> this question? >> >> >> > From jason@jasonnolan.net Thu May 20 06:59:24 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 20 May 2004 13:14:46 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5C705BAA for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 06:59:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0BE2166F5 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 06:59:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26454-01-16 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 06:59:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from jessica.cpanelserver.co.uk (jessica.cpanelserver.co.uk [64.246.60.38]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7538A34CC for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 06:59:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from user395.megabit.utoronto.ca ([142.150.241.189] helo=[10.0.1.2]) by jessica.cpanelserver.co.uk with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BQmCj-0001Zr-5g; Thu, 20 May 2004 12:59:17 +0100 In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20040520061228.00a82d50@accdvm.accd.edu> References: <23489686.1084332131350.JavaMail.root@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net> <5.2.1.1.0.20040520061228.00a82d50@accdvm.accd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <1C6F9BD4-AA55-11D8-B86D-00039300C7F2@jasonnolan.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: encore@utdallas.edu From: Jason Nolan Subject: [encore] How to Administer Re: Re: A question to ponder for all. Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 07:59:13 -0400 To: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - jessica.cpanelserver.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - utdallas.edu X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jasonnolan.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1115 X-Approved-By: cynthiah@utdallas.edu X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jason@jasonnolan.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jason@jasonnolan.net List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Sakai looks, to me, like something that may establish some interoperability standards that an educational moo consortium could work towards, but it is in the end a management tool rather than an experiential constructionist learning environment. I can't wait to see what Sakai might look like. As for me, the question is whether it is possible to bring together the diversity of goals and interests of a bunch of maverick MOO developers and educators under an organizational banner that end up either being a hegemonic controlling body or failing by trying to be everything to every body. MY question is: who else out there is really interested in being part of a committee that is willing to undertake the goals of setting up an administrative structure required to organize all the various goals, needs and interests into a coherent whole. Then who is primarily interested in the EnCore GUI, CoreObjects/DB, Server, Security, Educational Objects, InterOperability of users and objects, InterOperability with CMS technologies, Teaching and Learning, Academic Research, SocioPolitical issues, and the like. (This is mostly a rehash of what's been said). As well, issues like synchronous real-time co-editing of MOO objects (which one of my team is working on standalone) and similar new frontiers could also have its own slot. I could see Jean and Lennie being obviously interested. And the question of which umbrella org might be suitable home. I'm not the best person on this issue, but I've worked with IEEE's IFETS and am comfortable with the fact that tech first orgs can be useful locations for projects that are so decidedly not tech first and foremost. BTW, it is great hearing so many interesting ideas and all that. After a decade of running moos this coming August, I'm getting the feeling of a big wave on the horizon. ------ Jason Nolan, PhD Scholar in Residence, Knowledge Media Design Institute University of Toronto Senior Fellow, McLuhan, Program in Culture and Technology University of Toronto Lecturer, School of Early Childhood Education Ryerson University --- mailto:jason@jasonnolan.net http://jasonnolan.net/ From Mark.A.ONeil@Dartmouth.EDU Thu May 20 13:23:26 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 20 May 2004 13:23:27 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8756D5BAA for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:23:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57E0216999 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:23:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11372-01-79 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:23:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailhub4.dartmouth.edu (mailhub4.dartmouth.edu [129.170.17.94]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56C87355B for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:23:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [129.170.91.162] (moneil.Kiewit.dartmouth.edu [129.170.91.162]) by mailhub4.dartmouth.edu (8.12.10+DND/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i4KINGuB017358 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 14:23:16 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <1C6F9BD4-AA55-11D8-B86D-00039300C7F2@jasonnolan.net> References: <23489686.1084332131350.JavaMail.root@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net> <5.2.1.1.0.20040520061228.00a82d50@accdvm.accd.edu> <1C6F9BD4-AA55-11D8-B86D-00039300C7F2@jasonnolan.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Mark A. O'Neil" Subject: [encore] Cyrillic MOO? Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 14:23:18 -0400 To: enCore list X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) X-MailScanner: No virus detected by mailhub4.Dartmouth.EDU X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1116 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Mark.A.ONeil@Dartmouth.EDU Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Mark.A.ONeil@Dartmouth.EDU List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Is anyone on the list running a cyrillic encore moo? -m From Mark.A.ONeil@Dartmouth.EDU Thu May 20 14:19:17 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 20 May 2004 14:19:18 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B52E65BAA for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 14:19:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8631516A78 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 14:19:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19958-01 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 14:19:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailhub4.dartmouth.edu (mailhub4.dartmouth.edu [129.170.17.94]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D41B23556 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 14:19:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [129.170.91.162] (moneil.Kiewit.dartmouth.edu [129.170.91.162]) by mailhub4.dartmouth.edu (8.12.10+DND/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i4KJIwuB020085 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 15:18:59 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <1C6F9BD4-AA55-11D8-B86D-00039300C7F2@jasonnolan.net> References: <23489686.1084332131350.JavaMail.root@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net> <5.2.1.1.0.20040520061228.00a82d50@accdvm.accd.edu> <1C6F9BD4-AA55-11D8-B86D-00039300C7F2@jasonnolan.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <8C86516C-AA92-11D8-9C05-000A9579F9D2@Dartmouth.EDU> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Mark A. O'Neil" Subject: [encore] Re: How to Administer Re: Re: A question to ponder for all. Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 15:19:00 -0400 To: EnCore list X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) X-MailScanner: No virus detected by mailhub4.Dartmouth.EDU X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1117 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Mark.A.ONeil@Dartmouth.EDU Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Mark.A.ONeil@Dartmouth.EDU List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore On May 20, 2004, at 7:59 AM, Jason Nolan wrote: > Sakai looks, to me, like something that may establish some > interoperability standards that an educational moo consortium could > work towards, but it is in the end a management tool rather than an > experiential constructionist learning environment. I can't wait to see > what Sakai might look like. Yes, one can think of Sakai in terms of it being merely a management tool, but that is only one aspect of the project. One of the key factors of Sakai is the issue of interoperability, another is the creation of pedagogically driven tools which may operate in that 'interoperable space'. It may be said that a framework is only as good as the tools which are developed with(in) it. The current focus of efforts in Sakai to date lay in the construction of the framework. As progress is made on that front discussion of tools that provide pedagogical and system level functionality is ramping up. the interfaces required by these tools will most likely, to a degree at least and over time, drive the framework development. That said the suggestion of investigating the possibility of modernizing and integrating MOO technology into a project such as Sakai is valid. > As for me, the question is whether it is possible to bring together > the diversity of goals and interests of a bunch of maverick MOO > developers and educators under an organizational banner that end up > either being a hegemonic controlling body or failing by trying to be > everything to every body. I agree whole heartedly with this comment/question and the risks it presents. > MY question is: who else out there is really interested in being part > of a committee that is willing to undertake the goals of setting up an > administrative structure required to organize all the various goals, > needs and interests into a coherent whole. Then who is primarily > interested in the EnCore GUI, CoreObjects/DB, Server, Security, > Educational Objects, InterOperability of users and objects, > InterOperability with CMS technologies, Teaching and Learning, > Academic Research, SocioPolitical issues, and the like. (This is > mostly a rehash of what's been said). As well, issues like synchronous > real-time co-editing of MOO objects (which one of my team is working > on standalone) and similar new frontiers could also have its own slot. I am very willing to participate on such a committee. regards, -m From marcyb@umich.edu Thu May 20 14:47:17 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 20 May 2004 14:47:17 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A56C5BAA for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 14:47:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id F088BB5D9 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 14:47:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23739-01-8 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 14:47:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wanderer.mr.itd.umich.edu (wanderer.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.93.146]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC8E5368F for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 14:47:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from abbott.phar.umich.edu (abbott.phar.umich.edu [141.211.21.156]) by wanderer.mr.itd.umich.edu (smtp) with ESMTP id i4KJVOSr015647 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 15:31:24 -0400 Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 15:47:12 -0400 From: marcyb@umich.edu To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Re: How to Administer Re: Re: A question to ponder for all. Message-ID: <103974267.1085068032@abbott.phar.umich.edu> In-Reply-To: <8C86516C-AA92-11D8-9C05-000A9579F9D2@Dartmouth.EDU> References: <8C86516C-AA92-11D8-9C05-000A9579F9D2@Dartmouth.EDU> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.2.0 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1118 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: marcyb@umich.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: marcyb@umich.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore I'm at the University of Michigan, and have been working with early implementations of the Michigan components that will become Sakai. I'd very much like to see a moo "module" for Sakai. My biggest question about Sakai is the degree to which it will *really* be open to outside development. Currently, the focus is on re-creating course management tools that exist at partner institutions. The theories (the early ones, anyway) were that there would eventually be lots of APIs that would allow many different types of systems to play in the interoperable space. In practice, what seems to be happening, at least so far, is that tools are only being developed using Java and Oracle. I know that there was some interest in developing APIs for interfacing with MySQL databases . . . but frankly, I'm pretty skeptical that anyone who doesn't have a Really Big Purse will be able to influence much of anything. Marcy --On Thursday, May 20, 2004 3:19 PM -0400 "Mark A. O'Neil" wrote: > Yes, one can think of Sakai in terms of it being merely a management > tool, but that is only one aspect of the project. One of the key factors > of Sakai is the issue of interoperability, another is the creation of > pedagogically driven tools which may operate in that 'interoperable > space'. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Marcy Bauman, PhD Media Consultant College of Pharmacy University of Michigan 734-647-2227 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From cynthiah@utdallas.edu Thu May 20 17:59:55 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 20 May 2004 17:59:55 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from smtp1.utdallas.edu (smtp1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.5]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B2F85BDB for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 17:59:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (66.169.106.136.ts46v-02.mhe2.ftwrth.tx.charter.com [66.169.106.136]) by smtp1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA1BE388F9E for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 17:59:54 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 18:02:52 -0500 Subject: [encore] Ideas and community From: Cynthia Haynes To: encore Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1C6F9BD4-AA55-11D8-B86D-00039300C7F2@jasonnolan.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 1119 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: cynthiah@utdallas.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: cynthiah@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hello all, Jan and I are very happy to see all the enthusiasm and ideas about enCore recently. We have always encouraged others to become contributors to enCore as an Open Source project. And one of the things we wanted to mention here is that it's registered as such at sourceforge.net: http://sourceforge.net/projects/encore/ This might not be what you all have in mind as a way to pool resources, collaborate, and communicate. But it's there. It has not been used. We would be happy to host some MOO meetings at Lingua MOO, but we will be in Norway from June 8-Aug 8, and we can't be online for extended time periods because we're on a long distance dial-up connection there. So, depending on when folks want to get together, we could attend briefly and join in meetings after we return. But if everyone prefers a different MOO, that's cool, too. Some things to consider...there is work going on to add threaded capability to the MOOmailer, and someone had mentioned wanting to see that. We're not sure when it will be included, nor exactly when the next version of enCore will be released. Also, several have expressed wanting to integrate a Blog feature, which we would love to see. We have asked a few for some specs on how that could be accomplished, but have not heard back. We hear from time to time about various guides, features, and objects that would be great to include in enCore, and we still encourage anyone with those projects to contribute them to the core. Sourceforge might be the way to go, or you could contact us directly. Thanks for all your ideas and enthusiasm! Best wishes, Cynthia and Jan __Cynthia Haynes, Director of Rhetoric and Writing___________________ University of Texas at Dallas cynthiah@utdallas.edu School of Arts & Humanities http://www.utdallas.edu/~cynthiah PO Box 830688-JO 31 http://lingua.utdallas.edu:7000 Richardson, TX 75083-0688 (O)972-883-6340 (F)972-883-2989 From jeank@u.arizona.edu Thu May 20 18:08:15 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 20 May 2004 18:08:16 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B505C5BAA for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 18:08:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 870A9AE82 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 18:08:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17227-01-85 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 18:08:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.232]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53E89342E for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 18:08:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dpc6714281045.direcpc.com ([67.142.81.45] helo=TOMLAPTOP) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BQwdz-0001FQ-00 for encore@utdallas.edu; Thu, 20 May 2004 16:08:09 -0700 Message-ID: <006101c43ebf$4d63d380$0400a8c0@TOMLAPTOP> From: "Jean Kreis" To: "EnCore list" References: <23489686.1084332131350.JavaMail.root@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net> <5.2.1.1.0.20040520061228.00a82d50@accdvm.accd.edu> <1C6F9BD4-AA55-11D8-B86D-00039300C7F2@jasonnolan.net> <8C86516C-AA92-11D8-9C05-000A9579F9D2@Dartmouth.EDU> Subject: [encore] Re: How to Administer Re: Re: A question to ponder for all. Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 16:05:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=7.0 tagged_above=3.0 required=8.0 tests=BAYES_99 X-Spam-Level: ******* X-archive-position: 1120 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jeank@u.arizona.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jeank@u.arizona.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore I should clarify my earlier statement that Lennie quoted to initiate today's discussion, or at least clarify the context. I do not classify MOO's as course management systems. Rather, I place MOOs as collaborative environments. Depending on the coding sophistication of the MOO user or the host wizard's design of the space, the asynchronous ability within each MOO is wide-ranging. (For a particularly creative way of posting historical information, visit "Professor" in OldPuebloMOO.) So I would propose examining the enCore Xpress MOO as one part of the Sakai project to see how it would fit into the "Research Support Collaboration System" or see how it fits into the Course Management System as one part of either of those two projects. What does the MOO have within it to support either of those projects? or, as has been proposed here, does the enCore Xpress MOO have, on its own merit, a project status that can stand alone? The following paragraph is posted as the motivation of the Sakai projects: "Higher education will continue to invest in IT as an essential element of executing its teaching, research, and service missions in effective and economically-sustainable ways. IT, particularly software development and implementation efforts, are very expensive and challenging to align to the common and unique needs of various institutions. 'Code mobility' via open source communities holds great promise for an economically-sustainable IT investment path for higher education, yet real barriers impede the realization of this promise. The Sakai Project will bring considerable, synchronized, focused energy to overcome these barriers and accelerate a new path for code mobility in higher education in the core areas of online teaching, research and provision of campus portals. " That paragraph could be one of the columns on which the enCore MOO was built. But is agreement in ideation enough? What is the desired result? Jean Jean Kreis, M.Ed.,M.A. EDUCAUSE NLII 2004 Fellow University of Arizona Web-Based Instructional Support CCIT 337 Tucson. Az jkreis@educause.edu http://www.ic.arizona.edu/~jeank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark A. O'Neil" To: "EnCore list" Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 12:19 PM Subject: [encore] Re: How to Administer Re: Re: A question to ponder for all. > > On May 20, 2004, at 7:59 AM, Jason Nolan wrote: > > > Sakai looks, to me, like something that may establish some > > interoperability standards that an educational moo consortium could > > work towards, but it is in the end a management tool rather than an > > experiential constructionist learning environment. I can't wait to see > > what Sakai might look like. > > Yes, one can think of Sakai in terms of it being merely a management > tool, but that is only one aspect of the project. One of the key > factors of Sakai is the issue of interoperability, another is the > creation of pedagogically driven tools which may operate in that > 'interoperable space'. It may be said that a framework is only as good > as the tools which are developed with(in) it. The current focus of > efforts in Sakai to date lay in the construction of the framework. As > progress is made on that front discussion of tools that provide > pedagogical and system level functionality is ramping up. the > interfaces required by these tools will most likely, to a degree at > least and over time, drive the framework development. > > That said the suggestion of investigating the possibility of > modernizing and integrating MOO technology into a project such as Sakai > is valid. > > > As for me, the question is whether it is possible to bring together > > the diversity of goals and interests of a bunch of maverick MOO > > developers and educators under an organizational banner that end up > > either being a hegemonic controlling body or failing by trying to be > > everything to every body. > > I agree whole heartedly with this comment/question and the risks it > presents. > > > MY question is: who else out there is really interested in being part > > of a committee that is willing to undertake the goals of setting up an > > administrative structure required to organize all the various goals, > > needs and interests into a coherent whole. Then who is primarily > > interested in the EnCore GUI, CoreObjects/DB, Server, Security, > > Educational Objects, InterOperability of users and objects, > > InterOperability with CMS technologies, Teaching and Learning, > > Academic Research, SocioPolitical issues, and the like. (This is > > mostly a rehash of what's been said). As well, issues like synchronous > > real-time co-editing of MOO objects (which one of my team is working > > on standalone) and similar new frontiers could also have its own slot. > > I am very willing to participate on such a committee. > > regards, > -m > > > From Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Fri May 21 06:54:24 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 21 May 2004 06:54:24 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 385485BAA for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 06:54:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0788816E79 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 06:54:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13145-01-61 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 06:54:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 05DC7342E for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 06:54:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from irvin.accdvm.accd.edu [10.1.11.69] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Fri, 21 May 2004 06:53:42 CST Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040521065103.00a6ad00@accdvm.accd.edu> X-Sender: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 06:54:08 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Lennie Irvin Subject: [encore] Re: Ideas and community In-Reply-To: References: <1C6F9BD4-AA55-11D8-B86D-00039300C7F2@jasonnolan.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1121 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hey Cynthia and Jan, I think having a gathering in Lingua would be great. How about if you propose a couple times and we can reply to let you know the one the most of are able to attend. Sourceforge looks like it could work. Lennie At 06:02 PM 5/20/04 -0500, you wrote: >Hello all, > Jan and I are very happy to see all the enthusiasm and ideas about >enCore recently. We have always encouraged others to become contributors to >enCore as an Open Source project. And one of the things we wanted to mention >here is that it's registered as such at sourceforge.net: > >http://sourceforge.net/projects/encore/ > >This might not be what you all have in mind as a way to pool resources, >collaborate, and communicate. But it's there. It has not been used. We would >be happy to host some MOO meetings at Lingua MOO, but we will be in Norway >from June 8-Aug 8, and we can't be online for extended time periods because >we're on a long distance dial-up connection there. So, depending on when >folks want to get together, we could attend briefly and join in meetings >after we return. But if everyone prefers a different MOO, that's cool, too. > >Some things to consider...there is work going on to add threaded capability >to the MOOmailer, and someone had mentioned wanting to see that. We're not >sure when it will be included, nor exactly when the next version of enCore >will be released. Also, several have expressed wanting to integrate a Blog >feature, which we would love to see. We have asked a few for some specs on >how that could be accomplished, but have not heard back. > >We hear from time to time about various guides, features, and objects that >would be great to include in enCore, and we still encourage anyone with >those projects to contribute them to the core. Sourceforge might be the way >to go, or you could contact us directly. > >Thanks for all your ideas and enthusiasm! > >Best wishes, > >Cynthia and Jan > > >__Cynthia Haynes, Director of Rhetoric and Writing___________________ >University of Texas at Dallas cynthiah@utdallas.edu >School of Arts & Humanities http://www.utdallas.edu/~cynthiah >PO Box 830688-JO 31 http://lingua.utdallas.edu:7000 >Richardson, TX 75083-0688 (O)972-883-6340 (F)972-883-2989 L. Lennie Irvin Department of English, San Antonio College San Antonio, TX http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/ AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/ From Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Sun May 23 06:55:48 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Sun, 23 May 2004 06:55:48 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AC3D5BAA for ; Sun, 23 May 2004 06:55:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1C2E15A13 for ; Sun, 23 May 2004 06:55:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02168-01-50 for ; Sun, 23 May 2004 06:55:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 8920C342E for ; Sun, 23 May 2004 06:55:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from irvin.accdvm.accd.edu [10.1.11.36] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Sun, 23 May 2004 06:55:05 CST Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040523065115.00a862d0@accdvm.accd.edu> X-Sender: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 06:55:20 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Lennie Irvin Subject: [encore] Encore 4 update question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1122 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore I just downloaded the Encore 4.0 upgrade patch to install, and when I unzipped the tar.gz folder it has a file inside it which I can't open or read. The file is named: enCore-40.patch.moo I know that this file contains the code to copy and paste into the MOO. Does anyone know how I can open this file? Usually previous patches have been text files? Thanks for you help! Lennie L. Lennie Irvin Department of English, San Antonio College San Antonio, TX http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/ AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/ From fox@vader.aacc.edu Sun May 23 08:15:05 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Sun, 23 May 2004 08:15:06 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA77B5BAA for ; Sun, 23 May 2004 08:15:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B87792D2C9 for ; Sun, 23 May 2004 08:15:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05613-01-89 for ; Sun, 23 May 2004 08:15:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from vader.aacc.edu (vader.aacc.edu [12.167.138.28]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F0BE3386 for ; Sun, 23 May 2004 08:15:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from vader.aacc.edu (IDENT:CZydoiOxMO8LbrN5wKuo9BG5XJX+jU5o@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vader.aacc.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i4NDExuU002461; Sun, 23 May 2004 09:14:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (fox@localhost) by vader.aacc.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id i4NDExq6002457; Sun, 23 May 2004 09:14:59 -0400 Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 09:14:59 -0400 (EDT) From: fox@vader.aacc.edu To: Lennie Irvin Cc: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Re: Encore 4 update question In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20040523065115.00a862d0@accdvm.accd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1123 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: fox@vader.aacc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: fox@vader.aacc.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore On Sun, 23 May 2004, Lennie Irvin wrote: > I know that this file contains the code to copy and paste into the > MOO. Does anyone know how I can open this file? Usually previous patches > have been text files? I suspect that it's text, just like the others. The program you used to open others should still work, but you may have to start the program by hand (as if creating a new, untitled file) and use its File menu to open the patch. (If its file menu doesn't show the patch, set it to display all files, not just those it thinks are text files.) Another way would be to rename it to a name that your OS thinks means "text file". For Windoze, that would be "enCore-40.patch.moo.txt". Hope that helps. -- "I'd ask if you'd found the right sort of isolated wasteland for your citadel of dread yet, but that would be a silly question; you're in Utah, after all." --ESR to Darl McBride (Chief Excessive Ossifier of Squandered Clues Obstination), in http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/mcbride.html