From Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Wed May 5 08:53:55 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 05 May 2004 08:53:55 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B8F75BE6 for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 08:53:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AE73A73A for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 08:53:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00406-01-14 for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 08:53:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 643843A22 for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 08:53:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from irvin.accdvm.accd.edu [10.1.11.72] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Wed, 05 May 2004 08:53:04 CST Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040505084900.00a68b30@accdvm.accd.edu> X-Sender: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 08:53:12 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Lennie Irvin Subject: [encore] MOO blog? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1063 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore I'm just curious. I seem to remember that Jan was incorporating a blog into EnCore, but I couldn't remember if it was already within EnCore 4 or if it is in the works. I think I remember it is in development. What else is in store for EnCore? Lennie L. Lennie Irvin Department of English, San Antonio College San Antonio, TX http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/ AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/ From Kit@BlackIrish.net Thu May 6 08:09:15 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 06 May 2004 08:09:15 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E09B25BAA for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 08:09:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B15194FF5 for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 08:09:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19977-01-46 for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 08:09:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from us18.unix.fas.harvard.edu (us18.unix.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.35.198]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBC7534F0 for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 08:09:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.168.1.22] (pool-68-163-181-90.bos.east.verizon.net [68.163.181.90]) by us18.unix.fas.harvard.edu (8.11.7p2/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i46D97F09076 for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 09:09:07 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tempest@bb14.betterbox.net Message-Id: x-no-archive: yes Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 09:08:53 -0400 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Kit Subject: [encore] Flash, Shockwave, multilingual? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1064 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Kit@BlackIrish.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Kit@BlackIrish.net List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hey, guys, I've been out of the loop for a bit. I'm taking a multimedia class and want to do a MOO for my final project which is supposed to have a narrative component. So here are some questions: 1) What kind of multimedia objects are available? Would it be easy to have flash or shockwave objects assuming the user had the proper plugins? 2) I have this idea of having my virtual body split into pieces and visitors have to find my pieces and put me back together. I figure I could have a special room with an added verb like 'score' which counts how many pieces of me are in that room. I'd like movies attached to my pieces. I'm not sure if I'd want them to play on a look or if the movie object should have a special verb like 'play'. 3) Is it easy to make objects immovable and doors locked until the user answers a riddle or performs a certain action? 4) Was multilingual support ever added? The last time I played with the code, there was a lot of things hard coded in English. I'll be starting this MOO from scratch, so I don't have to worry about upgrade issues or preserving old objects. I'm sure I'm forgetting some ideas I have, but this is enough for now. Thanks for any help you can give me. (-: From lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Thu May 6 12:27:43 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 06 May 2004 12:27:43 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0096F5BAA for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 12:27:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C49B34E91 for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 12:27:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22174-01-99 for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 12:27:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id B2DE63A2D for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 12:27:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from gh-208-300633.accdvm.accd.edu [10.11.36.41] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Thu, 06 May 2004 12:26:58 CST Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20040506121310.01b4c228@accdvm.accd.edu> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 12:27:21 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Lennie Irvin Subject: [encore] Re: Flash, Shockwave, multilingual? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1065 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hey Kit, It is easy to turn any object into a web or multimedia object simply by changing its parent to a $webpage. Then you paste the HTML code into the description for the object. The object resides inside a room rather than being a room itself. As far as making objects immovable, you can @lock (or press the lock icon ) and the object should stay put. You can certainly lock doors or encrypt objects like letters and such, but I'm not sure about "verbally" being able to open them. I haven't played a lot with encrypting, but my understanding is that to open the encrypted object who you are and what you carry (your object # or the object # of items you are carrying) is what determines if you have rights to open that object. I suppose you could program a verb which was the secret password to open the door or whatever. Then it would be verbal. Here is some more info on "Keys" and encrypting related to using Letters: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/AlaMOOGuide/GenLetter.htm Others would know more about the multilingual question. I know EnCore is used in a lot of different countries. I hope this helps, Lennie At 08:08 AM 5/6/2004, you wrote: >Hey, guys, I've been out of the loop for a bit. I'm taking a multimedia >class and want to do a MOO for my final project which is supposed to have >a narrative component. So here are some questions: > >1) What kind of multimedia objects are available? Would it be easy to >have flash or shockwave objects assuming the user had the proper plugins? > >2) I have this idea of having my virtual body split into pieces and >visitors have to find my pieces and put me back together. I figure I >could have a special room with an added verb like 'score' which counts how >many pieces of me are in that room. > >I'd like movies attached to my pieces. I'm not sure if I'd want them to >play on a look or if the movie object should have a special verb like 'play'. > >3) Is it easy to make objects immovable and doors locked until the user >answers a riddle or performs a certain action? > >4) Was multilingual support ever added? The last time I played with the >code, there was a lot of things hard coded in English. > >I'll be starting this MOO from scratch, so I don't have to worry about >upgrade issues or preserving old objects. > > >I'm sure I'm forgetting some ideas I have, but this is enough for now. > >Thanks for any help you can give me. (-: From j.turner@qut.edu.au Fri May 7 21:25:13 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 07 May 2004 21:25:13 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FB055BAA for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 21:25:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EAFD4C79 for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 21:25:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09978-01-58 for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 21:25:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail-router01.qut.edu.au (mail-router01.qut.edu.au [131.181.254.7]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67FCB35AC for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 21:24:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail-msgstore01.qut.edu.au (mail-msgstore01.qut.edu.au [131.181.254.4]) by mail-router01.qut.edu.au (MOS 3.4.6-GR) with ESMTP id BDU75931; Sat, 8 May 2004 12:24:55 +1000 (EST) Received: from mail-msgstore01.qut.edu.au (localhost.qut.edu.au [127.0.0.1]) by mail-msgstore01.qut.edu.au (MOS 3.4.5-GR) with ESMTP id AZX60795; Sat, 8 May 2004 12:24:54 +1000 (EST) Received: from 131.181.127.33 by mail-msgstore01.qut.edu.au (MOS 3.4.5-GR) with HTTPS/1.1; Sat, 8 May 2004 12:24:54 +1000 Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 12:24:54 +1000 From: "truna aka j.turner" Subject: [encore] Re: Flash, Shockwave, multilingual? To: encore@utdallas.edu X-Mailer: Webmail Mirapoint Direct 3.4.5-GR MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <7b2178a7.3d0aef3e.81c8700@mail-msgstore01.qut.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host=mail-router01.qut.edu.au X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=7.0 tagged_above=3.0 required=8.0 tests=BAYES_99 X-Spam-Level: ******* X-archive-position: 1066 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: j.turner@qut.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-to: j.turner@qut.edu.au List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore hi kit ... i love the idea of putting the body back together ... nice .. i run a course in game design using the moo and the encore interface as a template or prototype environment ... it can really enable some fantastic narratives and some of my students have plotted similar kinds of narrative treasure hunts before ... a key thing that they have discovered is to remember that the whole environment is an illusion based on object numbers ... don't think in terms of actually locking and opening .. use trickery to make it seem so ... so our favorite object for a change in environment factors [opening, closing, lights on and off, bringing up a flash file etc] is to use a teleport object .. so, your player-user finds a piece of body, picks it up and the description changes ... the media file of preference is flash .... you can explore lost cities via a text client - the media is behind a firewall sadly ... lost cities: student.ci.qut.edu.au:7771 it's a design research environment - very much a mess ... we like to call it creative destruction ... :) love truna ******************* http://truna.net it's not a fish ******************* ---- Original message ---- >Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 09:08:53 -0400 >From: Kit >Subject: [encore] Flash, Shockwave, multilingual? >To: encore@utdallas.edu > >Hey, guys, I've been out of the loop for a bit. I'm taking a >multimedia class and want to do a MOO for my final project which is >supposed to have a narrative component. So here are some questions: > >1) What kind of multimedia objects are available? Would it be easy >to have flash or shockwave objects assuming the user had the proper >plugins? > >2) I have this idea of having my virtual body split into pieces and >visitors have to find my pieces and put me back together. I figure I >could have a special room with an added verb like 'score' which >counts how many pieces of me are in that room. > >I'd like movies attached to my pieces. I'm not sure if I'd want them >to play on a look or if the movie object should have a special verb >like 'play'. > >3) Is it easy to make objects immovable and doors locked until the >user answers a riddle or performs a certain action? > >4) Was multilingual support ever added? The last time I played with >the code, there was a lot of things hard coded in English. > >I'll be starting this MOO from scratch, so I don't have to worry >about upgrade issues or preserving old objects. > > >I'm sure I'm forgetting some ideas I have, but this is enough for now. > >Thanks for any help you can give me. (-: > From egoff@mindspring.com Sat May 8 10:11:15 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Sat, 08 May 2004 10:11:15 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 299D65BC3 for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 10:11:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFB3E4E84 for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 10:11:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29371-01-51 for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 10:11:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BBDF35B7 for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 10:11:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.168.167.40] (helo=wamui02.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by granger.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BMTTs-0000aS-00 for encore@utdallas.edu; Sat, 08 May 2004 11:11:12 -0400 Message-ID: <42337.1084029072055.JavaMail.root@wamui02.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 11:11:11 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: egoff@mindspring.com To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] New ideas and ways to use Encore Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1067 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: egoff@mindspring.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: egoff@mindspring.com List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore The information being shared, at Kits request, as to what encore can do is interesting. I have run my own moo for over ten years. I've played with encore a time or two as it progess's and never fully moved Space Conquest, my site, over to encore. With this information I am once again intersted in see what can be done. Anyone who has a moo they want to share I would love to see it as I'm sure Kit would. Sadly the wonderful descriptiveness of Truna's site is unable to be seen in webbed. Anyone else? Thanks Edward Aka ShadowDragon From Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Sun May 9 07:04:20 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Sun, 09 May 2004 07:04:21 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A89B85BAA for ; Sun, 9 May 2004 07:04:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 958AC5B0D for ; Sun, 9 May 2004 07:04:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13658-01-6 for ; Sun, 9 May 2004 07:04:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id D53763386 for ; Sun, 9 May 2004 07:04:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from irvin.accdvm.accd.edu [10.1.11.60] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Sun, 09 May 2004 07:03:40 CST Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040509064406.00a614b0@accdvm.accd.edu> X-Sender: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Sun, 09 May 2004 07:03:53 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Lennie Irvin Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas and ways to use Encore In-Reply-To: <42337.1084029072055.JavaMail.root@wamui02.slb.atl.earthlin k.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.1 tagged_above=3.0 required=8.0 tests=BAYES_80, WEIRD_PORT X-Spam-Level: *** X-archive-position: 1068 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Probably the best place to explore is the mother ship--LinguaMOO http://lingua.utdallas.edu:7000/ EnCore does offer new horizons for MOOing. In short, it brings the "command-line" operation of MOO into the more recent web-application world of point and click and hypermedia. At least that is its goal. Jan has made steady and continuous progress in making EnCore a webMOO. I think EnCore's leap into web MOOing created a lot of interest and new MOOs in the years 1999-2001, but it seems that a lot of these MOOs are shutting down or going dormant. I'm not sure what is going on. I fit this profile I am describing. I began AlaMOO in 2001 with high hopes of making it a resource for my 50,000 student Community College District, but after years of promoting the MOO, I was the only one using it. Then I had technical support problems which my local technicians couldn't handle, and so my MOO is dormant and soon to shut down. I am actively seeking to migrate to another MOO home that will have me. I think EnCore is at a critical juncture--it needs to make more progress in its web integration or it will continue to decline. I think we as a community of users need to come together in a new way to help make this happen. Ideas anyone? Lennie At 11:11 AM 5/8/04 -0400, you wrote: >The information being shared, at Kits request, as to what encore can do is >interesting. I have run my own moo for over ten years. I've played with >encore a time or two as it progess's and never fully moved Space Conquest, >my site, over to encore. With this information I am once again intersted >in see what can be done. Anyone who has a moo they want to share I would >love to see it as I'm sure Kit would. Sadly the wonderful descriptiveness >of Truna's site is unable to be seen in webbed. > > >Anyone else? > > >Thanks > >Edward Aka ShadowDragon L. Lennie Irvin Department of English, San Antonio College San Antonio, TX http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/ AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/ From Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Mon May 10 05:56:29 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 10 May 2004 05:56:30 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE0905BAA for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 05:56:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78EE3C89 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 05:56:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29825-01-30 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 05:56:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 8FFA1342E for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 05:56:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from irvin.accdvm.accd.edu [10.1.11.16] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Mon, 10 May 2004 05:55:47 CST Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20040510052350.00a65b10@accdvm.accd.edu> X-Sender: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 05:55:54 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Lennie Irvin Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas and ways to use Encore In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-Spam-Status: Yes, hits=8.4 tagged_above=3.0 required=8.0 tests=BAYES_99, WEIRD_PORT X-Spam-Level: ******** X-Spam-Flag: YES X-archive-position: 1069 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore I'm not sure I can give you an unbiased answer. Our students (who we coerce to use the MOO) probably would be able to give us the best answer. My students actually like the MOO. Speaking for Encore only, the problem, I think, in general is the MOO is technically still too difficult (or too foreign) to use. A lot has been done to make the program more intuitive (like the MY STUFF button enabling easy management of one's objects and the icons at the top of objects now), but a lot of the program is still command line. Throughout the MOO with all the generic objects there needs to be an easy point and click way to activate commands (verbs) on objects. Jan has made good and steady progress on this front, but more has to be done. I think also for EnCore's use in Education it needs to at least be able to offer comprehensive features like the course platform software tools like Blackboard or WebCT. That means upgrading the Mail system to enable threaded messaging (or integrating within the MOO an open source bulletin board). It means revising or replacing the Virtual Assignment Server Environment so that students can easily upload documents into the MOO (this could also be uploading graphics perhaps for inclusion into the MOO as they build themselves). Could there be a file upload object that contained the engine for uploading documents? It would be something like a noteboard so that all the uploaded files show within it. The last feature needed would be some sort of testing tool (and I guess a gradebook). With these features, enCore would have pretty much all the functionality of any course platform. I feel like a new effort toward enCore is needed (not necessarily to do the things I have described). I propose we form a consortium or alliance of schools interested in using enCore, define clear goals for the progress of enCore, apply for grant funding, and then farm out these grant dollars to pay for programming. Imagine that--programmers getting paid! Lennie At 04:44 PM 5/9/04 -0300, you wrote: >Lennie, > >You raise a very interesting question that has bothered me for a very long >time: Why are not MOOs much more popular than they are? They appear to be >an ideal environment for collaboration and socialization and yet there is >not much interest in them. Can you suggest an unbiased answer? Maybe if we >can anser this, we can find a way to make them popular. > >Ivan > >Ivan Tomek >School of Computer Science >Acadia University >Canada > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu]On > > Behalf Of Lennie Irvin > > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 8:04 AM > > To: encore@utdallas.edu > > Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas and ways to use Encore > > > > > > Probably the best place to explore is the mother > > ship--LinguaMOO http://lingua.utdallas.edu:7000/ > > > > EnCore does offer new horizons for MOOing. In short, it brings the > > "command-line" operation of MOO into the more recent > > web-application world > > of point and click and hypermedia. At least that is its > > goal. Jan has > > made steady and continuous progress in making EnCore a webMOO. > > > > I think EnCore's leap into web MOOing created a lot of > > interest and new > > MOOs in the years 1999-2001, but it seems that a lot of these > > MOOs are > > shutting down or going dormant. I'm not sure what is going > > on. I fit this > > profile I am describing. I began AlaMOO in 2001 with high > > hopes of making > > it a resource for my 50,000 student Community College > > District, but after > > years of promoting the MOO, I was the only one using it. Then I had > > technical support problems which my local technicians > > couldn't handle, and > > so my MOO is dormant and soon to shut down. I am actively seeking to > > migrate to another MOO home that will have me. > > > > I think EnCore is at a critical juncture--it needs to make > > more progress in > > its web integration or it will continue to decline. I think we as a > > community of users need to come together in a new way to help > > make this > > happen. Ideas anyone? > > > > Lennie > > > > At 11:11 AM 5/8/04 -0400, you wrote: > > >The information being shared, at Kits request, as to what > > encore can do is > > >interesting. I have run my own moo for over ten years. I've > > played with > > >encore a time or two as it progess's and never fully moved > > Space Conquest, > > >my site, over to encore. With this information I am once > > again intersted > > >in see what can be done. Anyone who has a moo they want to > > share I would > > >love to see it as I'm sure Kit would. Sadly the wonderful > > descriptiveness > > >of Truna's site is unable to be seen in webbed. > > > > > > > > >Anyone else? > > > > > > > > >Thanks > > > > > >Edward Aka ShadowDragon > > > > L. Lennie Irvin > > Department of English, San Antonio College > > San Antonio, TX > > > > http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/ > > AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/ > > > > > > > > L. Lennie Irvin Department of English, San Antonio College San Antonio, TX http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/ AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/ From sir.van@uol.com.br Mon May 10 08:13:06 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 10 May 2004 08:13:06 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89D275BAA for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 08:13:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 595C65601 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 08:13:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09446-01-64 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 08:13:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from smtp.uol.com.br (smtpout2.uol.com.br [200.221.11.55]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFB05353D for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 08:12:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from HAL9000 (200-158-201-50.dsl.telesp.net.br [200.158.201.50]) by scorpion2.uol.com.br (Postfix) with SMTP id 29E518A16; Mon, 10 May 2004 10:12:18 -0300 (BRT) Message-ID: <003201c43690$69e4cf50$a300a8c0@HAL9000> From: "Van" To: Cc: References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040510052350.00a65b10@accdvm.accd.edu> Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas and ways to use Encore Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 10:11:53 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-Spam-Status: Yes, hits=9.9 tagged_above=3.0 required=8.0 tests=BAYES_99, RCVD_IN_SORBS, WEIRD_PORT X-Spam-Level: ********* X-Spam-Flag: YES X-archive-position: 1070 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: sir.van@uol.com.br Precedence: bulk Reply-to: sir.van@uol.com.br List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore I Tottally agree with you, Lennie! And I volunteer myself to help as teacher who use Encore for Foreign Language Teaching & learning. I would add one more feature to your list: voice chat. Very useful for ESL/EFL. Van FatecMOO Adm. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lennie Irvin" To: Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 7:55 AM Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas and ways to use Encore > I'm not sure I can give you an unbiased answer. Our students (who we > coerce to use the MOO) probably would be able to give us the best > answer. My students actually like the MOO. > > Speaking for Encore only, the problem, I think, in general is the MOO is > technically still too difficult (or too foreign) to use. A lot has been > done to make the program more intuitive (like the MY STUFF button enabling > easy management of one's objects and the icons at the top of objects now), > but a lot of the program is still command line. Throughout the MOO with > all the generic objects there needs to be an easy point and click way to > activate commands (verbs) on objects. Jan has made good and steady > progress on this front, but more has to be done. > > I think also for EnCore's use in Education it needs to at least be able to > offer comprehensive features like the course platform software tools like > Blackboard or WebCT. That means upgrading the Mail system to enable > threaded messaging (or integrating within the MOO an open source bulletin > board). It means revising or replacing the Virtual Assignment Server > Environment so that students can easily upload documents into the MOO (this > could also be uploading graphics perhaps for inclusion into the MOO as they > build themselves). Could there be a file upload object that contained the > engine for uploading documents? It would be something like a noteboard so > that all the uploaded files show within it. The last feature needed would > be some sort of testing tool (and I guess a gradebook). With these > features, enCore would have pretty much all the functionality of any course > platform. > > I feel like a new effort toward enCore is needed (not necessarily to do the > things I have described). I propose we form a consortium or alliance of > schools interested in using enCore, define clear goals for the progress of > enCore, apply for grant funding, and then farm out these grant dollars to > pay for programming. Imagine that--programmers getting paid! > > Lennie > > > > At 04:44 PM 5/9/04 -0300, you wrote: > >Lennie, > > > >You raise a very interesting question that has bothered me for a very long > >time: Why are not MOOs much more popular than they are? They appear to be > >an ideal environment for collaboration and socialization and yet there is > >not much interest in them. Can you suggest an unbiased answer? Maybe if we > >can anser this, we can find a way to make them popular. > > > >Ivan > > > >Ivan Tomek > >School of Computer Science > >Acadia University > >Canada > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu]On > > > Behalf Of Lennie Irvin > > > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 8:04 AM > > > To: encore@utdallas.edu > > > Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas and ways to use Encore > > > > > > > > > Probably the best place to explore is the mother > > > ship--LinguaMOO http://lingua.utdallas.edu:7000/ > > > > > > EnCore does offer new horizons for MOOing. In short, it brings the > > > "command-line" operation of MOO into the more recent > > > web-application world > > > of point and click and hypermedia. At least that is its > > > goal. Jan has > > > made steady and continuous progress in making EnCore a webMOO. > > > > > > I think EnCore's leap into web MOOing created a lot of > > > interest and new > > > MOOs in the years 1999-2001, but it seems that a lot of these > > > MOOs are > > > shutting down or going dormant. I'm not sure what is going > > > on. I fit this > > > profile I am describing. I began AlaMOO in 2001 with high > > > hopes of making > > > it a resource for my 50,000 student Community College > > > District, but after > > > years of promoting the MOO, I was the only one using it. Then I had > > > technical support problems which my local technicians > > > couldn't handle, and > > > so my MOO is dormant and soon to shut down. I am actively seeking to > > > migrate to another MOO home that will have me. > > > > > > I think EnCore is at a critical juncture--it needs to make > > > more progress in > > > its web integration or it will continue to decline. I think we as a > > > community of users need to come together in a new way to help > > > make this > > > happen. Ideas anyone? > > > > > > Lennie > > > > > > At 11:11 AM 5/8/04 -0400, you wrote: > > > >The information being shared, at Kits request, as to what > > > encore can do is > > > >interesting. I have run my own moo for over ten years. I've > > > played with > > > >encore a time or two as it progess's and never fully moved > > > Space Conquest, > > > >my site, over to encore. With this information I am once > > > again intersted > > > >in see what can be done. Anyone who has a moo they want to > > > share I would > > > >love to see it as I'm sure Kit would. Sadly the wonderful > > > descriptiveness > > > >of Truna's site is unable to be seen in webbed. > > > > > > > > > > > >Anyone else? > > > > > > > > > > > >Thanks > > > > > > > >Edward Aka ShadowDragon > > > > > > L. Lennie Irvin > > > Department of English, San Antonio College > > > San Antonio, TX > > > > > > http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/ > > > AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L. Lennie Irvin > Department of English, San Antonio College > San Antonio, TX > > http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/ > AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/ > > > From raking@office.uncg.edu Mon May 10 08:39:37 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 10 May 2004 08:39:37 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FE9B5BAA for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 08:39:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10C39A8E7 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 08:39:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12856-01-32 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 08:39:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from smtp.uncg.edu (external-gw.uncg.edu [152.13.2.70]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E39A3574 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 08:39:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from office.uncg.edu (office.uncg.edu [152.13.5.17]) by smtp.uncg.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i4ADdSIE002000 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 09:39:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from UNCG3-MTA by office.uncg.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 10 May 2004 09:39:27 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.5 Beta Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 09:39:13 -0400 From: "Robert King" To: Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas / Moodle Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-RAVMilter-Version: 8.4.2(snapshot 20021217) (external-gw) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-Spam-Status: Yes, hits=8.4 tagged_above=3.0 required=8.0 tests=BAYES_99, WEIRD_PORT X-Spam-Level: ******** X-Spam-Flag: YES X-archive-position: 1071 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: raking@office.uncg.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: raking@office.uncg.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Regarding Lennie's message, what do you all know about pen source course = management platforms (like Blackboard/WebCT) ______________________________________ Bob King eLearning Consultant School of Education University of North Carolina at Greensboro bob_king@uncg.edu (336) 256-0415 Director Interdisciplinary Center for eLearning (ICE) University of North Carolina at Greensboro http://ice.uncg.edu >>> Lennie Irvin 05/10/04 06:55AM >>> Does anyone have experience or ideas about using MOO in conjuction with = Moodle? The latter being an open source course management system (similar = to Blackboard/WebCT). The web address for Moodle is: http://moodle.org/ Speaking for Encore only, the problem, I think, in general is the MOO = is=20 technically still too difficult (or too foreign) to use. A lot has been=20 done to make the program more intuitive (like the MY STUFF button = enabling=20 easy management of one's objects and the icons at the top of objects = now),=20 but a lot of the program is still command line. Throughout the MOO = with=20 all the generic objects there needs to be an easy point and click way = to=20 activate commands (verbs) on objects. Jan has made good and steady=20 progress on this front, but more has to be done. I think also for EnCore's use in Education it needs to at least be able = to=20 offer comprehensive features like the course platform software tools = like=20 Blackboard or WebCT. That means upgrading the Mail system to enable=20 threaded messaging (or integrating within the MOO an open source = bulletin=20 board). It means revising or replacing the Virtual Assignment Server=20 Environment so that students can easily upload documents into the MOO = (this=20 could also be uploading graphics perhaps for inclusion into the MOO as = they=20 build themselves). Could there be a file upload object that contained = the=20 engine for uploading documents? It would be something like a noteboard = so=20 that all the uploaded files show within it. The last feature needed = would=20 be some sort of testing tool (and I guess a gradebook). With these=20 features, enCore would have pretty much all the functionality of any = course=20 platform. I feel like a new effort toward enCore is needed (not necessarily to do = the=20 things I have described). I propose we form a consortium or alliance = of=20 schools interested in using enCore, define clear goals for the progress = of=20 enCore, apply for grant funding, and then farm out these grant dollars = to=20 pay for programming. Imagine that--programmers getting paid! Lennie At 04:44 PM 5/9/04 -0300, you wrote: >Lennie, > >You raise a very interesting question that has bothered me for a very = long=20 >time: Why are not MOOs much more popular than they are? They appear to = be=20 >an ideal environment for collaboration and socialization and yet there = is=20 >not much interest in them. Can you suggest an unbiased answer? Maybe if = we=20 >can anser this, we can find a way to make them popular. > >Ivan > >Ivan Tomek >School of Computer Science >Acadia University >Canada > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu]On= =20 > > Behalf Of Lennie Irvin > > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 8:04 AM > > To: encore@utdallas.edu=20 > > Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas and ways to use Encore > > > > > > Probably the best place to explore is the mother > > ship--LinguaMOO http://lingua.utdallas.edu:7000/=20 > > > > EnCore does offer new horizons for MOOing. In short, it brings the > > "command-line" operation of MOO into the more recent > > web-application world > > of point and click and hypermedia. At least that is its > > goal. Jan has > > made steady and continuous progress in making EnCore a webMOO. > > > > I think EnCore's leap into web MOOing created a lot of > > interest and new > > MOOs in the years 1999-2001, but it seems that a lot of these > > MOOs are > > shutting down or going dormant. I'm not sure what is going > > on. I fit this > > profile I am describing. I began AlaMOO in 2001 with high > > hopes of making > > it a resource for my 50,000 student Community College > > District, but after > > years of promoting the MOO, I was the only one using it. Then I had > > technical support problems which my local technicians > > couldn't handle, and > > so my MOO is dormant and soon to shut down. I am actively seeking to > > migrate to another MOO home that will have me. > > > > I think EnCore is at a critical juncture--it needs to make > > more progress in > > its web integration or it will continue to decline. I think we as a > > community of users need to come together in a new way to help > > make this > > happen. Ideas anyone? > > > > Lennie > > > > At 11:11 AM 5/8/04 -0400, you wrote: > > >The information being shared, at Kits request, as to what > > encore can do is > > >interesting. I have run my own moo for over ten years. I've > > played with > > >encore a time or two as it progess's and never fully moved > > Space Conquest, > > >my site, over to encore. With this information I am once > > again intersted > > >in see what can be done. Anyone who has a moo they want to > > share I would > > >love to see it as I'm sure Kit would. Sadly the wonderful > > descriptiveness > > >of Truna's site is unable to be seen in webbed. > > > > > > > > >Anyone else? > > > > > > > > >Thanks > > > > > >Edward Aka ShadowDragon > > > > L. Lennie Irvin > > Department of English, San Antonio College > > San Antonio, TX > > > > http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/=20 > > AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/=20 > > > > > > > > L. Lennie Irvin Department of English, San Antonio College San Antonio, TX http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/=20 AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/=20 From raking@office.uncg.edu Mon May 10 08:44:10 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 10 May 2004 08:44:10 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D1045BAA for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 08:44:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F8CDA1A7 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 08:44:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12555-01-77 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 08:44:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from smtp.uncg.edu (external-gw.uncg.edu [152.13.2.70]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A0E135B7 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 08:44:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from office.uncg.edu (office.uncg.edu [152.13.5.17]) by smtp.uncg.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i4ADi2IE004823 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 09:44:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from UNCG3-MTA by office.uncg.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 10 May 2004 09:44:02 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.5 Beta Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 09:43:18 -0400 From: "Robert King" To: , Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas / consortium Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-RAVMilter-Version: 8.4.2(snapshot 20021217) (external-gw) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-Spam-Status: Yes, hits=8.4 tagged_above=3.0 required=8.0 tests=BAYES_99, WEIRD_PORT X-Spam-Level: ******** X-Spam-Flag: YES X-archive-position: 1072 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: raking@office.uncg.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: raking@office.uncg.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore I'm interested in being part of discussions re: forming a consortium to = pursue MOO research and development projects. I'm currrently directing an = eLearning research center on my campus. ______________________________________ Bob King eLearning Consultant School of Education University of North Carolina at Greensboro bob_king@uncg.edu (336) 256-0415 Director Interdisciplinary Center for eLearning (ICE) University of North Carolina at Greensboro http://ice.uncg.edu >>> Lennie Irvin 05/10/04 06:55AM >>> I'm not sure I can give you an unbiased answer. Our students (who we=20 coerce to use the MOO) probably would be able to give us the best=20 answer. My students actually like the MOO. Speaking for Encore only, the problem, I think, in general is the MOO = is=20 technically still too difficult (or too foreign) to use. A lot has been=20 done to make the program more intuitive (like the MY STUFF button = enabling=20 easy management of one's objects and the icons at the top of objects = now),=20 but a lot of the program is still command line. Throughout the MOO = with=20 all the generic objects there needs to be an easy point and click way = to=20 activate commands (verbs) on objects. Jan has made good and steady=20 progress on this front, but more has to be done. I think also for EnCore's use in Education it needs to at least be able = to=20 offer comprehensive features like the course platform software tools = like=20 Blackboard or WebCT. That means upgrading the Mail system to enable=20 threaded messaging (or integrating within the MOO an open source = bulletin=20 board). It means revising or replacing the Virtual Assignment Server=20 Environment so that students can easily upload documents into the MOO = (this=20 could also be uploading graphics perhaps for inclusion into the MOO as = they=20 build themselves). Could there be a file upload object that contained = the=20 engine for uploading documents? It would be something like a noteboard = so=20 that all the uploaded files show within it. The last feature needed = would=20 be some sort of testing tool (and I guess a gradebook). With these=20 features, enCore would have pretty much all the functionality of any = course=20 platform. I feel like a new effort toward enCore is needed (not necessarily to do = the=20 things I have described). I propose we form a consortium or alliance = of=20 schools interested in using enCore, define clear goals for the progress = of=20 enCore, apply for grant funding, and then farm out these grant dollars = to=20 pay for programming. Imagine that--programmers getting paid! Lennie At 04:44 PM 5/9/04 -0300, you wrote: >Lennie, > >You raise a very interesting question that has bothered me for a very = long=20 >time: Why are not MOOs much more popular than they are? They appear to = be=20 >an ideal environment for collaboration and socialization and yet there = is=20 >not much interest in them. Can you suggest an unbiased answer? Maybe if = we=20 >can anser this, we can find a way to make them popular. > >Ivan > >Ivan Tomek >School of Computer Science >Acadia University >Canada > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu]On= =20 > > Behalf Of Lennie Irvin > > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 8:04 AM > > To: encore@utdallas.edu=20 > > Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas and ways to use Encore > > > > > > Probably the best place to explore is the mother > > ship--LinguaMOO http://lingua.utdallas.edu:7000/=20 > > > > EnCore does offer new horizons for MOOing. In short, it brings the > > "command-line" operation of MOO into the more recent > > web-application world > > of point and click and hypermedia. At least that is its > > goal. Jan has > > made steady and continuous progress in making EnCore a webMOO. > > > > I think EnCore's leap into web MOOing created a lot of > > interest and new > > MOOs in the years 1999-2001, but it seems that a lot of these > > MOOs are > > shutting down or going dormant. I'm not sure what is going > > on. I fit this > > profile I am describing. I began AlaMOO in 2001 with high > > hopes of making > > it a resource for my 50,000 student Community College > > District, but after > > years of promoting the MOO, I was the only one using it. Then I had > > technical support problems which my local technicians > > couldn't handle, and > > so my MOO is dormant and soon to shut down. I am actively seeking to > > migrate to another MOO home that will have me. > > > > I think EnCore is at a critical juncture--it needs to make > > more progress in > > its web integration or it will continue to decline. I think we as a > > community of users need to come together in a new way to help > > make this > > happen. Ideas anyone? > > > > Lennie > > > > At 11:11 AM 5/8/04 -0400, you wrote: > > >The information being shared, at Kits request, as to what > > encore can do is > > >interesting. I have run my own moo for over ten years. I've > > played with > > >encore a time or two as it progess's and never fully moved > > Space Conquest, > > >my site, over to encore. With this information I am once > > again intersted > > >in see what can be done. Anyone who has a moo they want to > > share I would > > >love to see it as I'm sure Kit would. Sadly the wonderful > > descriptiveness > > >of Truna's site is unable to be seen in webbed. > > > > > > > > >Anyone else? > > > > > > > > >Thanks > > > > > >Edward Aka ShadowDragon > > > > L. Lennie Irvin > > Department of English, San Antonio College > > San Antonio, TX > > > > http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/=20 > > AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/=20 > > > > > > > > L. Lennie Irvin Department of English, San Antonio College San Antonio, TX http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/=20 AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/=20 From raking@office.uncg.edu Mon May 10 08:49:10 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 10 May 2004 08:49:10 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A11D85BAA for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 08:49:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 727C0A4B2 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 08:49:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12856-01-86 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 08:49:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from smtp.uncg.edu (external-gw.uncg.edu [152.13.2.70]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5974D355B for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 08:49:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from office.uncg.edu (office.uncg.edu [152.13.5.17]) by smtp.uncg.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i4ADn5IE008250 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 09:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from UNCG3-MTA by office.uncg.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 10 May 2004 09:49:05 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.5 Beta Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 09:48:58 -0400 From: "Robert King" To: Subject: [encore] Re: new ideas / Moodle (trying again) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-RAVMilter-Version: 8.4.2(snapshot 20021217) (external-gw) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1073 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: raking@office.uncg.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: raking@office.uncg.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Sorry for my botched email message. Here is what I was trying to type... Does anyone have experience or ideas about using MOO in conjuction with = Moodle? The latter being an open source course management system (similar = to Blackboard/WebCT). The web address for Moodle is: http://moodle.org/=20 ______________________________________ Bob King eLearning Consultant School of Education University of North Carolina at Greensboro bob_king@uncg.edu (336) 256-0415 Director Interdisciplinary Center for eLearning (ICE) University of North Carolina at Greensboro http://ice.uncg.edu From Kit@BlackIrish.net Mon May 10 08:51:09 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 10 May 2004 08:51:09 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 623295BAA for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 08:51:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34050A529 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 08:51:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13157-01-81 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 08:51:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from us20.unix.fas.harvard.edu (us20.unix.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.35.200]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 970D935A7 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 08:51:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.168.1.22] (pool-68-163-181-90.bos.east.verizon.net [68.163.181.90]) by us20.unix.fas.harvard.edu (8.11.7p2/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i4ADp5a19671 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 09:51:05 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tempest@bb14.betterbox.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003201c43690$69e4cf50$a300a8c0@HAL9000> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040510052350.00a65b10@accdvm.accd.edu> <003201c43690$69e4cf50$a300a8c0@HAL9000> x-no-archive: yes Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 09:50:48 -0400 To: From: Kit Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas and ways to use Encore Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1074 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Kit@BlackIrish.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Kit@BlackIrish.net List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore At 10:11 AM -0300 5/10/04, Van wrote: >I Tottally agree with you, Lennie! And I volunteer myself >to help as teacher who use Encore for Foreign Language >Teaching & learning. I would add one more feature to >your list: voice chat. Very useful for ESL/EFL. > >Van Did you change the interface to a foreign language, or is it still in English? From sir.van@uol.com.br Mon May 10 09:22:44 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 10 May 2004 09:22:44 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 036B05BAA for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 09:22:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4E23A9AF for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 09:22:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 18004-01-24 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 09:22:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from smtp.uol.com.br (smtpout2.uol.com.br [200.221.11.55]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 733C3342E for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 09:22:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from HAL9000 (200-158-201-50.dsl.telesp.net.br [200.158.201.50]) by scorpion2.uol.com.br (Postfix) with SMTP id 26024834B for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 11:22:17 -0300 (BRT) Message-ID: <005b01c4369a$30313050$a300a8c0@HAL9000> From: "Van" To: References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040510052350.00a65b10@accdvm.accd.edu> <003201c43690$69e4cf50$a300a8c0@HAL9000> Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas and ways to use Encore Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 11:22:10 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1075 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: sir.van@uol.com.br Precedence: bulk Reply-to: sir.van@uol.com.br List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Well, I administrate two educational MOOs. In one of them we are on the process of compiling a version of lambda server that accepts accents, since that MOO will be used to teach Portuguese as a foreign language. In the case of FatecMOO which is used to ESL/EFL we wouldn't need to change the interface, but since itīs an Educational AND social MOO, we translated some comands and code chunks. Van ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kit" To: Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 10:50 AM Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas and ways to use Encore > At 10:11 AM -0300 5/10/04, Van wrote: > >I Tottally agree with you, Lennie! And I volunteer myself > >to help as teacher who use Encore for Foreign Language > >Teaching & learning. I would add one more feature to > >your list: voice chat. Very useful for ESL/EFL. > > > >Van > > Did you change the interface to a foreign language, or is it still in English? > > From bmcman@optonline.net Mon May 10 12:09:16 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 10 May 2004 12:09:16 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA4065BAA for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 12:09:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB8EDA999 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 12:09:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08648-01-46 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 12:09:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.75]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3CD33561 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 12:09:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from optonline.net (ool-44c66253.dyn.optonline.net [68.198.98.83]) by mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0HXI00FUUCYQAO@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for encore@utdallas.edu; Mon, 10 May 2004 13:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 13:09:04 -0400 From: "Barbara F. McManus" Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas and ways to use Encore In-reply-to: <005b01c4369a$30313050$a300a8c0@HAL9000> To: encore@utdallas.edu Message-id: <409FB730.5070409@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040510052350.00a65b10@accdvm.accd.edu> <003201c43690$69e4cf50$a300a8c0@HAL9000> <005b01c4369a$30313050$a300a8c0@HAL9000> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=6.5 tagged_above=3.0 required=8.0 tests=BAYES_50, RCVD_IN_SORBS, UTD_FOCUS_1 X-Spam-Level: ****** X-archive-position: 1076 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: bmcman@optonline.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: bmcman@optonline.net List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore With regard to other languages -- In VRoma, which deals with Roman culture as well as the Latin language, we use the English interface generally but make it possible for certain spaces to be used exclusively for Latin. We modified $room to create a generic Latinroom which will print out messages in Latin instead of English. Also, we modified $bot to create a generic Latinbot whose preprogrammed messages are all in Latin. This makes it possible for builders to create Latin-only spaces and bots fairly easily. I think this general discussion about cooperating and collaborating to keep the Encore MOO as a viable educational tool is very valuable. The MOO contributes an interactivity and scope for imaginative engagement that is not easy to find in other Internet tools, no matter how snazzy or cutting edge they might be. I agree with Lennie, however, that there is a lot more that could be done to make the MOO easier for the average user. We at VRoma would be happy to participate in the kind of consortium that Lennie proposes. One thing that I personally could really use (and I may not be alone in this) is a comprehensive introduction to MOO programming, with plenty of concrete examples, written for someone who is not already a programmer. The tutorials that I have found are either too simple (and often too silly) to be really useful, or don't give enough information, in clear language and with examples, for a person who doesn't think 'foobar' is a word. Apropos of a question earlier asked by Kit, I have been trying to create a game in which a user could move through various stages (rooms devoted to different aspects of Roman culture) on a quest to obtain the iron ring of Roman citizenship. I envision the player entering a room, being asked a question which, if correctly answered, gives the player a talisman that would unlock the door to the next room. When this object is handed in, the player would then get the next question, until the player has successfully navigated through all the rooms and handed in the last talisman to receive his/her ring of citizenship. However, I can't figure out how to program the game. If a couple of experienced programmers could program a framework like this, I would imagine that many MOOs could adapt the content to their own themes. So I guess I'm saying that we need some more imaginative tools along with more mundane educational functions like threaded messaging and file uploading. Barbara -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Barbara F. McManus, Professor of Classics Emerita The College of New Rochelle, New Rochelle, NY 10805 Co-Director, The VRoma Project or http://www.cnr.edu/home/bmcmanus/ http://www.vroma.org/~bmcmanus/ From ps138792@ohio.edu Mon May 10 14:53:53 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 10 May 2004 19:48:58 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49DFD5BAA for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:53:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7322A123 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:53:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01718-01-32 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:53:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from oak3a.cats.ohiou.edu (oak3a.cats.ohiou.edu [132.235.8.151]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFE0C353D for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:53:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 132.235.73.64 by pm6 for 1s (PureMessage); Mon May 10 15:30:22 2004 Received: from PAUL1 (dhcp-073-064.ellis.ohiou.edu [132.235.73.64]) (authenticated bits=0) by oak2a.cats.ohiou.edu (8.12.8-OU/8.12.8-OU) with ESMTP id i4AJUM2g1058364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 15:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 15:30:22 -0400 From: Paul Shovlin To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas and ways to use Encore Message-ID: <8042494.1084203022@PAUL1> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.0 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-PMX-Version: 4.6.0.97784, Antispam-Core: 4.6.0.97340, Antispam-Data: 2004.5.10.100269 (pm6) X-PMX-Information: http://www.cns.ohiou.edu/email/spam-virus.html X-PMX-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIIII, Probability=8%, Report='FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.001, __TO_MALFORMED_2 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __EVITE_CTYPE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CD 0, __UNUSABLE_MSGID 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0' X-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, PureMessage (score=0, required 5) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1077 X-Approved-By: cynthiah@utdallas.edu X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: ps138792@ohio.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: ps138792@ohio.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore I just wanted to voice my support for what others have been calling for. I would be really interested to participate in Lennie's idea of a consortium. In addition, I'm interested in the basic but new MOO programming guide that Barbara calls for. I like her quest idea and would like to begin building educational sites for learning in the MOO that operate under some of the same principles as the good old hack and slash MUDs... Paul Shovlin Ohio University From rbroglio@earthlink.net Mon May 10 19:22:14 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 10 May 2004 19:52:58 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FD5A5BAA for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 19:22:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE71E558F for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 19:22:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01716-01-89 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 19:22:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.46]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F8193561 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 19:22:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from h-68-165-9-185.atlngahp.dynamic.covad.net ([68.165.9.185] helo=[172.16.1.16]) by grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BNL27-0004Q4-00; Mon, 10 May 2004 17:22:07 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <409FB730.5070409@optonline.net> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040510052350.00a65b10@accdvm.accd.edu> <003201c43690$69e4cf50$a300a8c0@HAL9000> <005b01c4369a$30313050$a300a8c0@HAL9000> <409FB730.5070409@optonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ron Broglio Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas and ways to use Encore Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 20:25:09 -0400 To: encore@utdallas.edu, bmcman@optonline.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=5.0 tagged_above=3.0 required=8.0 tests=BAYES_50, UTD_FOCUS_1 X-Spam-Level: ***** X-archive-position: 1078 X-Approved-By: cynthiah@utdallas.edu X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: rbroglio@earthlink.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: rbroglio@earthlink.net List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Barbara, The folks at Romantic Circle's Villa Diodati MOO spend a lot of time creating games and having their students create games. It is something I continue to play with, present at conferences, and write about. Perhaps the easiest way to create games is through the moveto verb. I have a list of very simple verbs for games at http://www.lcc.gatech.edu/~broglio/moo/other_verbs.html and http://www.lcc.gatech.edu/~broglio/moo/cow_milk.html You can teleport people or objects. I've even played with teleporting exit doors to advance a game. Immersive play seems like a strong component in MOOing. It would be great to have a board where folks can post innovative code that others can then use in their MOOs. Ron Ron Broglio http://www.lcc.gatech.edu/~broglio School of LCC Georgia Tech On May 10, 2004, at 1:09 PM, Barbara F. McManus wrote: > With regard to other languages -- In VRoma, which deals with Roman > culture as well as the Latin language, we use the English interface > generally but make it possible for certain spaces to be used > exclusively for Latin. We modified $room to create a generic > Latinroom which will print out messages in Latin instead of English. > Also, we modified $bot to create a generic Latinbot whose > preprogrammed messages are all in Latin. This makes it possible for > builders to create Latin-only spaces and bots fairly easily. > > I think this general discussion about cooperating and collaborating to > keep the Encore MOO as a viable educational tool is very valuable. > The MOO contributes an interactivity and scope for imaginative > engagement that is not easy to find in other Internet tools, no matter > how snazzy or cutting edge they might be. I agree with Lennie, > however, that there is a lot more that could be done to make the MOO > easier for the average user. We at VRoma would be happy to > participate in the kind of consortium that Lennie proposes. > One thing that I personally could really use (and I may not be alone > in this) is a comprehensive introduction to MOO programming, with > plenty of concrete examples, written for someone who is not already a > programmer. The tutorials that I have found are either too simple > (and often too silly) to be really useful, or don't give enough > information, in clear language and with examples, for a person who > doesn't think 'foobar' is a word. > Apropos of a question earlier asked by Kit, I have been trying to > create a game in which a user could move through various stages (rooms > devoted to different aspects of Roman culture) on a quest to obtain > the iron ring of Roman citizenship. I envision the player entering a > room, being asked a question which, if correctly answered, gives the > player a talisman that would unlock the door to the next room. When > this object is handed in, the player would then get the next question, > until the player has successfully navigated through all the rooms and > handed in the last talisman to receive his/her ring of citizenship. > However, I can't figure out how to program the game. If a couple of > experienced programmers could program a framework like this, I would > imagine that many MOOs could adapt the content to their own themes. > So I guess I'm saying that we need some more imaginative tools along > with more mundane educational functions like threaded messaging and > file uploading. Barbara > > -- > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Barbara F. McManus, Professor of Classics Emerita > The College of New Rochelle, New Rochelle, NY 10805 > Co-Director, The VRoma Project > or > http://www.cnr.edu/home/bmcmanus/ > http://www.vroma.org/~bmcmanus/ > > > > > From KEustace@csu.edu.au Mon May 10 20:49:30 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 10 May 2004 20:49:30 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 126525BAA for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 20:49:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6B0653AE for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 20:49:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10424-01-37 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 20:49:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from csunw.riv.csu.edu.au (csunw.riv.csu.edu.au [137.166.76.1]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87280342E for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 20:49:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from XCWW01.CSUMain.csu.edu.au (xcww01.riv.csu.edu.au [137.166.216.22]) by csunw.riv.csu.edu.au (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i4B1n3k6025947 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 11:49:04 +1000 (EST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas / consortium Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 11:49:03 +1000 Message-ID: <8C2D9A2B9988B342BD8BAABEF0C83DB605BA8C@xcww01.riv.csu.edu.au> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [encore] Re: New ideas / consortium Thread-Index: AcQ2lPRrzfyunvlZSdC5vBPIwP1apwAYeL+w From: "Eustace, Ken" To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-Spam-Status: Yes, hits=8.4 tagged_above=3.0 required=8.0 tests=BAYES_99, WEIRD_PORT X-Spam-Level: ******** X-Spam-Flag: YES X-archive-position: 1079 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: KEustace@csu.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-to: KEustace@csu.edu.au List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi all, Some motivating ideas and good to hear from so many. I would like to add the interest and support of the ISPG (Internet Special Project Group) at Charles Sturt University in the new ideas/consortium for MOO R&D projects proposal that is developing. Our first MOO is still non-enCore as AussieMOO is 10 years old this September, while our encore MOO's - K9MOO and LC-MOO turned 4 last month. The WebMOO integration is still an issue and we have had the same "whistling in the wind" response from those with R&D dollars but we have survived well on a shoestring budget of goodwill from student/programmers. I understand and share the feeling of Lennie, Bob and others. Our small R&D team has kept faith with MOO because it has never failed to deliver educational polysynchronous "learning gems" in the recorded dialogue with many classes. The empowering aspect of a programmable environment is at the core of that success and its future. It is unique among telelearning environments. Cheer You cheer. Regards, Ken Eustace Lecturer (Information Systems) School of Information Studies Charles Sturt University Wagga Wagga NSW 2678 Email: keustace@csu.edu,.au Web: farrer.csu.edu.au/~keustace -----Original Message----- From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu] On Behalf Of Robert King Sent: Monday, 10 May 2004 11:43 PM To: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu; encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas / consortium I'm interested in being part of discussions re: forming a consortium to pursue MOO research and development projects. I'm currrently directing an eLearning research center on my campus. ______________________________________ Bob King eLearning Consultant School of Education University of North Carolina at Greensboro bob_king@uncg.edu (336) 256-0415 Director Interdisciplinary Center for eLearning (ICE) University of North Carolina at Greensboro http://ice.uncg.edu >>> Lennie Irvin 05/10/04 06:55AM >>> I'm not sure I can give you an unbiased answer. Our students (who we=20 coerce to use the MOO) probably would be able to give us the best=20 answer. My students actually like the MOO. Speaking for Encore only, the problem, I think, in general is the MOO is technically still too difficult (or too foreign) to use. A lot has been=20 done to make the program more intuitive (like the MY STUFF button enabling=20 easy management of one's objects and the icons at the top of objects now),=20 but a lot of the program is still command line. Throughout the MOO with all the generic objects there needs to be an easy point and click way to activate commands (verbs) on objects. Jan has made good and steady=20 progress on this front, but more has to be done. I think also for EnCore's use in Education it needs to at least be able to=20 offer comprehensive features like the course platform software tools like=20 Blackboard or WebCT. That means upgrading the Mail system to enable=20 threaded messaging (or integrating within the MOO an open source bulletin=20 board). It means revising or replacing the Virtual Assignment Server=20 Environment so that students can easily upload documents into the MOO (this=20 could also be uploading graphics perhaps for inclusion into the MOO as they=20 build themselves). Could there be a file upload object that contained the=20 engine for uploading documents? It would be something like a noteboard so=20 that all the uploaded files show within it. The last feature needed would=20 be some sort of testing tool (and I guess a gradebook). With these=20 features, enCore would have pretty much all the functionality of any course=20 platform. I feel like a new effort toward enCore is needed (not necessarily to do the=20 things I have described). I propose we form a consortium or alliance of schools interested in using enCore, define clear goals for the progress of=20 enCore, apply for grant funding, and then farm out these grant dollars to=20 pay for programming. Imagine that--programmers getting paid! Lennie At 04:44 PM 5/9/04 -0300, you wrote: >Lennie, > >You raise a very interesting question that has bothered me for a very long=20 >time: Why are not MOOs much more popular than they are? They appear to be=20 >an ideal environment for collaboration and socialization and yet there is=20 >not much interest in them. Can you suggest an unbiased answer? Maybe if we=20 >can anser this, we can find a way to make them popular. > >Ivan > >Ivan Tomek >School of Computer Science >Acadia University >Canada > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu]On=20 > > Behalf Of Lennie Irvin > > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 8:04 AM > > To: encore@utdallas.edu=20 > > Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas and ways to use Encore > > > > > > Probably the best place to explore is the mother > > ship--LinguaMOO http://lingua.utdallas.edu:7000/=20 > > > > EnCore does offer new horizons for MOOing. In short, it brings the > > "command-line" operation of MOO into the more recent > > web-application world > > of point and click and hypermedia. At least that is its > > goal. Jan has > > made steady and continuous progress in making EnCore a webMOO. > > > > I think EnCore's leap into web MOOing created a lot of > > interest and new > > MOOs in the years 1999-2001, but it seems that a lot of these > > MOOs are > > shutting down or going dormant. I'm not sure what is going > > on. I fit this > > profile I am describing. I began AlaMOO in 2001 with high > > hopes of making > > it a resource for my 50,000 student Community College > > District, but after > > years of promoting the MOO, I was the only one using it. Then I had > > technical support problems which my local technicians > > couldn't handle, and > > so my MOO is dormant and soon to shut down. I am actively seeking to > > migrate to another MOO home that will have me. > > > > I think EnCore is at a critical juncture--it needs to make > > more progress in > > its web integration or it will continue to decline. I think we as a > > community of users need to come together in a new way to help > > make this > > happen. Ideas anyone? > > > > Lennie > > > > At 11:11 AM 5/8/04 -0400, you wrote: > > >The information being shared, at Kits request, as to what > > encore can do is > > >interesting. I have run my own moo for over ten years. I've > > played with > > >encore a time or two as it progess's and never fully moved > > Space Conquest, > > >my site, over to encore. With this information I am once > > again intersted > > >in see what can be done. Anyone who has a moo they want to > > share I would > > >love to see it as I'm sure Kit would. Sadly the wonderful > > descriptiveness > > >of Truna's site is unable to be seen in webbed. > > > > > > > > >Anyone else? > > > > > > > > >Thanks > > > > > >Edward Aka ShadowDragon > > > > L. Lennie Irvin > > Department of English, San Antonio College > > San Antonio, TX > > > > http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/=20 > > AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/=20 > > > > > > > > L. Lennie Irvin Department of English, San Antonio College San Antonio, TX http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/=20 AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/=20 From kschwien@tcd.ie Tue May 11 01:51:07 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 11 May 2004 01:51:08 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEE4E5BAA for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 01:51:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90856550B for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 01:51:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02045-01-13 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 01:51:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imx2.tcd.ie (imx2.tcd.ie [134.226.1.156]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BEA6353D for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 01:51:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imx2.tcd.ie (imx2.tcd.ie [134.226.1.156]) by imx2.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02ED3317AD for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 07:50:49 +0100 (IST) Received: from imx2.tcd.ie by localhost.localdomain (VaMailArmor-2.0.1.16) id 00625-15A6DF0D; Tue, 11 May 2004 07:50:43 +0100 Received: from lcs090199 (lcs090199.artsl.tcd.ie [134.226.90.199]) by imx2.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id E162130A06 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 07:50:20 +0100 (IST) From: "Klaus Schwienhorst" To: encore@utdallas.edu Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 07:49:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas / consortium Message-ID: <40A0858D.16267.1F1A8761@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <8C2D9A2B9988B342BD8BAABEF0C83DB605BA8C@xcww01.riv.csu.edu.au> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-AntiVirus: checked by Vexira MailArmor (version: 2.0.1.16; VAE: 6.25.0.3; VDF: 6.25.0.57; host: imx2.tcd.ie) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-Spam-Status: Yes, hits=8.4 tagged_above=3.0 required=8.0 tests=BAYES_99, WEIRD_PORT X-Spam-Level: ******** X-Spam-Flag: YES X-archive-position: 1080 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: kschwien@tcd.ie Precedence: bulk Reply-to: kschwien@tcd.ie List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi everybody, some of you might know about the work in language learning I have been involved in for some time. Basically, I have organised tandem projects between our language students (e.g. Irish students learning German) and language students abroad (e.g. German students learning English). Students are working in pairs and help each other with bilingual tasks, both live in the MOO and in asynchronous tasks. Last year, Alexandre Borgia and myself published the bilingual tandem analyser, which analyses MOO utterances according to the language used and provides feedback to students on their proportions uses (e.g., German 18%, English 81%). In this way, it helps learners to have more balanced exchanges. This module is available for free download on http://kontakt.tcd.ie/BTA/ . We are currently preparing a shared whiteboard option, are thinking of several other language learning tools within the context of learner autonomy, for which funding is available. I am definitely interested in sharing ideas and modules like the above in a consortium. I have looked at Moodle, but do not think that it fits well with the ideas of learner autonomy that we are promoting at our department. Learning Management Environments such as WebCT and Blackboard are pedagogically very restrictive. I think we should work at making more existing functionality available in web-based form, so that it will be used more. Many learners do not exploit the full potential of the MOO (even Encore) because a lot is still command-line stuff. Regards, Klaus > Hi all, > > Some motivating ideas and good to hear from so many. I would like to > add the interest and support of the ISPG (Internet Special Project > Group) at Charles Sturt University in the new ideas/consortium for MOO > R&D projects proposal that is developing. > > Our first MOO is still non-enCore as AussieMOO is 10 years old this > September, while our encore MOO's - K9MOO and LC-MOO turned 4 last > month. The WebMOO integration is still an issue and we have had the > same "whistling in the wind" response from those with R&D dollars but > we have survived well on a shoestring budget of goodwill from > student/programmers. I understand and share the feeling of Lennie, Bob > and others. > > Our small R&D team has kept faith with MOO because it has never failed > to deliver educational polysynchronous "learning gems" in the recorded > dialogue with many classes. The empowering aspect of a programmable > environment is at the core of that success and its future. It is > unique among telelearning environments. > > Cheer > You cheer. > > Regards, > Ken Eustace > Lecturer (Information Systems) > School of Information Studies > Charles Sturt University > Wagga Wagga NSW 2678 > Email: keustace@csu.edu,.au > Web: farrer.csu.edu.au/~keustace > > -----Original Message----- > From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu] > On Behalf Of Robert King Sent: Monday, 10 May 2004 11:43 PM To: > Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu; encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Re: New > ideas / consortium > > I'm interested in being part of discussions re: forming a consortium > to pursue MOO research and development projects. I'm currrently > directing an eLearning research center on my campus. > > > ______________________________________ > Bob King > > eLearning Consultant > School of Education > University of North Carolina at Greensboro > bob_king@uncg.edu > (336) 256-0415 > > Director > Interdisciplinary Center for eLearning (ICE) > University of North Carolina at Greensboro > http://ice.uncg.edu > > > > > >>> Lennie Irvin 05/10/04 06:55AM >>> > I'm not sure I can give you an unbiased answer. Our students (who we > coerce to use the MOO) probably would be able to give us the best > answer. My students actually like the MOO. > > Speaking for Encore only, the problem, I think, in general is the MOO > is > > technically still too difficult (or too foreign) to use. A lot has > been done to make the program more intuitive (like the MY STUFF button > enabling easy management of one's objects and the icons at the top of > objects now), but a lot of the program is still command line. > Throughout the MOO with > > all the generic objects there needs to be an easy point and click way > to > > activate commands (verbs) on objects. Jan has made good and steady > progress on this front, but more has to be done. > > I think also for EnCore's use in Education it needs to at least be > able to offer comprehensive features like the course platform software > tools like Blackboard or WebCT. That means upgrading the Mail system > to enable threaded messaging (or integrating within the MOO an open > source bulletin board). It means revising or replacing the Virtual > Assignment Server Environment so that students can easily upload > documents into the MOO (this could also be uploading graphics perhaps > for inclusion into the MOO as they build themselves). Could there be > a file upload object that contained the engine for uploading > documents? It would be something like a noteboard so that all the > uploaded files show within it. The last feature needed would be some > sort of testing tool (and I guess a gradebook). With these features, > enCore would have pretty much all the functionality of any course > platform. > > I feel like a new effort toward enCore is needed (not necessarily to > do the things I have described). I propose we form a consortium or > alliance of > > schools interested in using enCore, define clear goals for the > progress of enCore, apply for grant funding, and then farm out these > grant dollars to pay for programming. Imagine that--programmers > getting paid! > > Lennie > > > > At 04:44 PM 5/9/04 -0300, you wrote: > >Lennie, > > > >You raise a very interesting question that has bothered me for a very > long > >time: Why are not MOOs much more popular than they are? They appear > >to > be > >an ideal environment for collaboration and socialization and yet > >there > is > >not much interest in them. Can you suggest an unbiased answer? Maybe > >if > we > >can anser this, we can find a way to make them popular. > > > >Ivan > > > >Ivan Tomek > >School of Computer Science > >Acadia University > >Canada > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu > [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu]On > > > Behalf Of Lennie Irvin > > > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 8:04 AM > > > To: encore@utdallas.edu > > > Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas and ways to use Encore > > > > > > > > > Probably the best place to explore is the mother > > > ship--LinguaMOO http://lingua.utdallas.edu:7000/ > > > > > > EnCore does offer new horizons for MOOing. In short, it brings > > > the "command-line" operation of MOO into the more recent > > > web-application world of point and click and hypermedia. At least > > > that is its goal. Jan has made steady and continuous progress in > > > making EnCore a webMOO. > > > > > > I think EnCore's leap into web MOOing created a lot of > > > interest and new > > > MOOs in the years 1999-2001, but it seems that a lot of these MOOs > > > are shutting down or going dormant. I'm not sure what is going > > > on. I fit this profile I am describing. I began AlaMOO in 2001 > > > with high hopes of making it a resource for my 50,000 student > > > Community College District, but after years of promoting the MOO, > > > I was the only one using it. Then I had technical support > > > problems which my local technicians couldn't handle, and so my MOO > > > is dormant and soon to shut down. I am actively seeking > to > > > migrate to another MOO home that will have me. > > > > > > I think EnCore is at a critical juncture--it needs to make > > > more progress in > > > its web integration or it will continue to decline. I think we as > > > a community of users need to come together in a new way to help > > > make this happen. Ideas anyone? > > > > > > Lennie > > > > > > At 11:11 AM 5/8/04 -0400, you wrote: > > > >The information being shared, at Kits request, as to what > > > encore can do is > > > >interesting. I have run my own moo for over ten years. I've > > > played with > > > >encore a time or two as it progess's and never fully moved > > > Space Conquest, > > > >my site, over to encore. With this information I am once > > > again intersted > > > >in see what can be done. Anyone who has a moo they want to > > > share I would > > > >love to see it as I'm sure Kit would. Sadly the wonderful > > > descriptiveness > > > >of Truna's site is unable to be seen in webbed. > > > > > > > > > > > >Anyone else? > > > > > > > > > > > >Thanks > > > > > > > >Edward Aka ShadowDragon > > > > > > L. Lennie Irvin > > > Department of English, San Antonio College > > > San Antonio, TX > > > > > > http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/ > > > AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L. Lennie Irvin > Department of English, San Antonio College > San Antonio, TX > > http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/ > AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/ > > > > > -- Dr. Klaus Schwienhorst CLCS, Arts Building Trinity College Dublin 2 Ireland Phone: Ireland +1 6083316; Fax: Ireland +1 6082941; Email: kschwien@tcd.ie Web: http://www.tcd.ie/CLCS/people/Klaus_Schwienhorst/index.html From jeank@email.arizona.edu Tue May 11 10:48:05 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 11 May 2004 10:48:06 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C47A75BAA for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 10:48:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9506BB094 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 10:48:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 18818-01-59 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 10:48:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (smeagol.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.141]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5271435A7 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 10:48:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from JEAN2 (dhcp-9687415f.ltc.arizona.edu [150.135.65.95]) by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 615DD5FF50E; Tue, 11 May 2004 08:48:00 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <005801c4376f$5677b600$5f418796@ltc.arizona.edu> From: "jeank" To: Cc: References: Subject: [encore] Re: new ideas / Moodle (trying again) Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 08:47:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at email.arizona.edu X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1081 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jeank@email.arizona.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jeank@email.arizona.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore One of our graduate students in rhetoric and composition who had used WebCT, had decided to use Moodle instead this past year for teaching Business Writing. She presented her experience at the University of Arizona's Learning Technology Showcase on Thursday, May 6th. Stephanie Vie was very pleased with the experience. You can write to her at svie@u.arizona.edu for further correspondence. She has a guest login so that you could look around her course. Jean Jean Kreis, M.Ed., M.A. EDUCAUSE NLII 2004 Fellow University of Arizona Program Coordinator, Sr. Web-Based Instructional Tools Learning Technologies Center, Rm. 337 PO Box 21007 1077 N. Highland Ave. Tucson, AZ 85721-0073 phone 520.626.8071 fax 520.626.8220 jeank@u.arizona.edu http://www.ic.arizona.edu/~jeank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert King" To: Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 6:48 AM Subject: [encore] Re: new ideas / Moodle (trying again) Sorry for my botched email message. Here is what I was trying to type... Does anyone have experience or ideas about using MOO in conjuction with Moodle? The latter being an open source course management system (similar to Blackboard/WebCT). The web address for Moodle is: http://moodle.org/ ______________________________________ Bob King eLearning Consultant School of Education University of North Carolina at Greensboro bob_king@uncg.edu (336) 256-0415 Director Interdisciplinary Center for eLearning (ICE) University of North Carolina at Greensboro http://ice.uncg.edu From jason@jasonnolan.net Tue May 11 05:44:39 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 11 May 2004 12:40:26 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABA695BAA for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 05:44:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AB5EAAE9 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 05:44:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16841-01-39 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 05:44:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ComplicityTheory.local (user395.megabit.utoronto.ca [142.150.241.189]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4759235A7 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 05:44:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ComplicityTheory.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id B438AC1162; Mon, 10 May 2004 21:17:35 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040510052350.00a65b10@accdvm.accd.edu> <003201c43690$69e4cf50$a300a8c0@HAL9000> <005b01c4369a$30313050$a300a8c0@HAL9000> <409FB730.5070409@optonline.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: encore@utdallas.edu From: Jason Nolan Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas and ways to use Encore Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 21:17:34 -0400 To: rbroglio@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1082 X-Approved-By: cynthiah@utdallas.edu X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jason@jasonnolan.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jason@jasonnolan.net List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Well, my team would be there for one. We've been quiet recently, but have contributed on EnCore Security issues, VASE and file management stuff. Personally, I'm interested in a project to redo MOO in a way to reduce the reliance on telnet protocols and java, and I've been working with a programmer up here to see how XML could be used. My colleague peter wolf has done great work with chats solely using XML and .net (which is now opensource) on his epresence project (http://epresence.kmdi.utoronto.ca). The rest of my programming team for Project Achieve (http://achieve.utoronto.ca) though presently doing other things, is still interested in seeing where moos can go. Keep me in the loop? ------ Jason Nolan, PhD Scholar in Residence, Knowledge Media Design Institute University of Toronto Senior Fellow, McLuhan, Program in Culture and Technology University of Toronto Lecturer, School of Early Childhood Education Ryerson University --- mailto:jason@jasonnolan.net http://jasonnolan.net/ From rhs@vader.aacc.edu Tue May 11 13:36:10 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 11 May 2004 13:36:58 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A4925BAA for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 13:36:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C4DAB225 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 13:36:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11383-01-96 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 13:36:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from vader.aacc.edu (vader.aacc.edu [12.167.138.28]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0411435C3 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 13:36:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from vader.aacc.edu (IDENT:u1DIP7MPzZoesQQ58zc/Qo/teNVk+qqr@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vader.aacc.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i4BIa0uU005914 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 14:36:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (rhs@localhost) by vader.aacc.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id i4BIa0op005910 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 14:36:00 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 14:36:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "Richard H.C. Seabrook" To: enCore mailing list Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas and ways to use Encore In-Reply-To: <42337.1084029072055.JavaMail.root@wamui02.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1083 X-Approved-By: cynthiah@utdallas.edu X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: rhs@vader.aacc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: rhs@vader.aacc.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore I'd like get involved. I've started about half-a-dozen Lambdacore moos in the last 10 years (special-purpose, none of them still running), but haven't worked under ENCORE. I'm still a wizard over at Bob Canary's WP and a programmer at DU and may be able to contribute something. Dick S. -- @-------------------------------------------------------------------) | Dick Seabrook Computer Science | | rhs@enterprise.aacc.edu _ Anne Arundel Community College | | (410)777-2424 //:-) Speed the Net! | @-------------------------------------------------------------------) From lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Tue May 11 17:06:43 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 11 May 2004 17:06:43 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CA085BAA for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 17:06:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DC04B2DB for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 17:06:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09033-01-74 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 17:06:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 36FF6342E for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 17:06:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from gh-208-300633.accdvm.accd.edu [10.11.36.41] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Tue, 11 May 2004 17:04:39 CST Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20040511163629.01b7ee28@accdvm.accd.edu> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 17:03:51 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Lennie Irvin Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas and ways to use Encore In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040510052350.00a65b10@accdvm.accd.edu> <003201c43690$69e4cf50$a300a8c0@HAL9000> <005b01c4369a$30313050$a300a8c0@HAL9000> <409FB730.5070409@optonline.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1084 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore It is good to hear there is still so much interest in EnCore! I have long had the desire to have an EnCore MOO "conference" of sorts to discuss just the kinds of ideas we are bouncing around. I mentioned my interest in a conference to Dene Grigar (Nouspace MOO), and she was all for the idea. I think given our international presence, a face to face conference might be a little hard to pull off (though Australia would be nice...), so I think an online conference or series of online meetings to organize this consortium would work. If any of you are interested in helping with the initial organizing of this effort, please let me know (on or off list). Perhaps we can meet in LinguaMOO in the next week and come up with some ideas to share with the rest of the folks on the list. ...and I'm going to start creating that board where folks can post and share innovative code. Lennie At 08:17 PM 5/10/2004, you wrote: >Well, my team would be there for one. We've been quiet recently, but have >contributed on EnCore Security issues, VASE and file management stuff. >Personally, I'm interested in a project to redo MOO in a way to reduce the >reliance on telnet protocols and java, and I've been working with a >programmer up here to see how XML could be used. My colleague peter wolf >has done great work with chats solely using XML and .net (which is now >opensource) on his epresence project (http://epresence.kmdi.utoronto.ca). >The rest of my programming team for Project Achieve >(http://achieve.utoronto.ca) though presently doing other things, is still >interested in seeing where moos can go. > >Keep me in the loop? >------ >Jason Nolan, PhD >Scholar in Residence, Knowledge Media Design Institute > University of Toronto >Senior Fellow, McLuhan, Program in Culture and Technology > University of Toronto >Lecturer, School of Early Childhood Education > Ryerson University >--- >mailto:jason@jasonnolan.net >http://jasonnolan.net/ > From jason@jasonnolan.net Tue May 11 18:24:21 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 11 May 2004 18:35:07 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F4E85BAA for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 18:24:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE908B344 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 18:24:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 18888-01-49 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 18:24:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ComplicityTheory.local (user395.megabit.utoronto.ca [142.150.241.189]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D655E34CC for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 18:24:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ComplicityTheory.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57E97C23C8; Tue, 11 May 2004 19:24:22 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20040511163629.01b7ee28@accdvm.accd.edu> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040510052350.00a65b10@accdvm.accd.edu> <003201c43690$69e4cf50$a300a8c0@HAL9000> <005b01c4369a$30313050$a300a8c0@HAL9000> <409FB730.5070409@optonline.net> <6.0.0.22.0.20040511163629.01b7ee28@accdvm.accd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <552067E0-A3A2-11D8-8586-00039300C7F2@jasonnolan.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: encore@utdallas.edu From: Jason Nolan Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas and ways to use Encore Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 19:24:21 -0400 To: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1085 X-Approved-By: cynthiah@utdallas.edu X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jason@jasonnolan.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jason@jasonnolan.net List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore The enthusiasm is great to hear, but I'm more interested in something that is slow to grow and longer lasting. I'd like to see education and technical committees, advisory board of major players, and perhaps some affiliation with an IEEE sig. Something that will last longer than anyone's individual participation. And it would be nice to get a few faculty members interested in various research angles, software, teaching/learning, cog-sci. It would also be nice to set up a peer reviewed journal, using perhaps OJS, to facilitate communication beyond. And a name, something like Association of MOO Developers and Educators, but if something with a better acronym. Call me anal and organizational, but that's what keeps organizations running. ------ Jason Nolan, PhD Scholar in Residence, Knowledge Media Design Institute University of Toronto Senior Fellow, McLuhan, Program in Culture and Technology University of Toronto Lecturer, School of Early Childhood Education Ryerson University --- mailto:jason@jasonnolan.net http://jasonnolan.net/ On May 11, 2004, at 6:03 PM, Lennie Irvin wrote: > It is good to hear there is still so much interest in EnCore! I have > long had the desire to have an EnCore MOO "conference" of sorts to > discuss just the kinds of ideas we are bouncing around. I mentioned > my interest in a conference to Dene Grigar (Nouspace MOO), and she was > all for the idea. I think given our international presence, a face to > face conference might be a little hard to pull off (though Australia > would be nice...), so I think an online conference or series of online > meetings to organize this consortium would work. > > If any of you are interested in helping with the initial organizing of > this effort, please let me know (on or off list). Perhaps we can meet > in LinguaMOO in the next week and come up with some ideas to share > with the rest of the folks on the list. > > ...and I'm going to start creating that board where folks can post and > share innovative code. > > Lennie > > At 08:17 PM 5/10/2004, you wrote: >> Well, my team would be there for one. We've been quiet recently, but >> have contributed on EnCore Security issues, VASE and file management >> stuff. Personally, I'm interested in a project to redo MOO in a way >> to reduce the reliance on telnet protocols and java, and I've been >> working with a programmer up here to see how XML could be used. My >> colleague peter wolf has done great work with chats solely using XML >> and .net (which is now opensource) on his epresence project >> (http://epresence.kmdi.utoronto.ca). The rest of my programming team >> for Project Achieve (http://achieve.utoronto.ca) though presently >> doing other things, is still interested in seeing where moos can go. >> >> Keep me in the loop? >> ------ >> Jason Nolan, PhD >> Scholar in Residence, Knowledge Media Design Institute >> University of Toronto >> Senior Fellow, McLuhan, Program in Culture and Technology >> University of Toronto >> Lecturer, School of Early Childhood Education >> Ryerson University >> --- >> mailto:jason@jasonnolan.net >> http://jasonnolan.net/ >> > > > > From egoff@mindspring.com Tue May 11 22:22:14 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 11 May 2004 22:22:14 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41CB25BAA for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 22:22:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12378B4D9 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 22:22:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11277-01-11 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 22:22:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE2DD34CC for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 22:22:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.168.167.41] (helo=wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BNkJv-0001bE-00; Tue, 11 May 2004 23:22:11 -0400 Message-ID: <23489686.1084332131350.JavaMail.root@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 23:22:10 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: egoff@mindspring.com To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] A question to ponder for all. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-archive-position: 1086 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: egoff@mindspring.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: egoff@mindspring.com List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore I wonder if it would be possible to have "sounds" react to player input. I run a space based Roleplaying game site. We have a generic "computer" room that responds to verbal input. So, for example, if a player says Computer, Red Alert. It would change the stations status to red alert and announce it. What I was pondering is at many levels from a simple siren to anyone connect via Encore interface to changing of the picutre. Many ideas come to me as I think of this. Tatical views. Planet views from space. World views as you descend. Any care to share there insights into Interacive flash, xml, anything else. Up to and including Getting Moo code to respond/change/ect based on actions/reactions/ect IN The moo. Questions, more details just ask. Edward From KEustace@csu.edu.au Tue May 11 22:23:11 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 11 May 2004 22:23:11 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from iq1.utdallas.edu (iq1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.7]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A1A25BAA for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 22:23:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mf1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.8]) by iq1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A91EB4DB for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 22:23:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.utdallas.edu ([192.168.1.6]) by localhost (mf1 [192.168.1.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11277-01-14 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 22:23:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from csunw.riv.csu.edu.au (csunw.riv.csu.edu.au [137.166.76.1]) by mx2.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A8FE3561 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 22:22:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from XCWW01.CSUMain.csu.edu.au (xcww01.riv.csu.edu.au [137.166.216.22]) by csunw.riv.csu.edu.au (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i4C3Mi9V003058 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 13:22:44 +1000 (EST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas and ways to use Encore Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 13:22:44 +1000 Message-ID: <8C2D9A2B9988B342BD8BAABEF0C83DB605BA8F@xcww01.riv.csu.edu.au> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [encore] Re: New ideas and ways to use Encore Thread-Index: AcQ3sKtiddiOvJu6SouBMjP/cY5kOQAHjauA From: "Eustace, Ken" To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 at utdallas.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=7.0 tagged_above=3.0 required=8.0 tests=BAYES_99 X-Spam-Level: ******* X-archive-position: 1087 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: KEustace@csu.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-to: KEustace@csu.edu.au List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: X-List-ID: X-list: encore The good ideas keep coming... Here the ISPG had a quick meeting to discuss the new ideas and our systems director and came up with 2 ideas - one old and one new, listed below. 1. Geoff Fellows suggests that in developing the multimedia aspects mentioned in an earlier posting, that the EnCore list should investigate SVG. See http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/=20 SVG is an XML markup language and just like HTML would be easy to integrate=20 into the MOO. With the Adobe SVG plugin viewing SVG is easy. See=20 http://www.adobe.com/svg/ There are several free tools for creating SVG as well many graphics tools that now export SVG. 2. We did have interest in Sydney with the Blind Society for children in developing an "audio MOO" as another avenue for research. So there are some real applications outside education that may be mustered under the proposed consortium umbrella.=20 I also like the idea of a "generic class" for the consortium such as Jason's idea of being part of an established technical group such as an IEEE SIG. Regards, Ken -----Original Message----- From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu] On Behalf Of Jason Nolan Sent: Wednesday, 12 May 2004 9:24 AM To: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Cc: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Re: New ideas and ways to use Encore The enthusiasm is great to hear, but I'm more interested in something=20 that is slow to grow and longer lasting. I'd like to see education and=20 technical committees, advisory board of major players, and perhaps some=20 affiliation with an IEEE sig. Something that will last longer than=20 anyone's individual participation. And it would be nice to get a few=20 faculty members interested in various research angles, software,=20 teaching/learning, cog-sci. It would also be nice to set up a peer=20 reviewed journal, using perhaps OJS, to facilitate communication=20 beyond. And a name, something like Association of MOO Developers and Educators,=20 but if something with a better acronym. Call me anal and organizational, but that's what keeps organizations=20 running. ------ Jason Nolan, PhD Scholar in Residence, Knowledge Media Design Institute University of Toronto Senior Fellow, McLuhan, Program in Culture and Technology University of Toronto Lecturer, School of Early Childhood Education Ryerson University --- mailto:jason@jasonnolan.net http://jasonnolan.net/ On May 11, 2004, at 6:03 PM, Lennie Irvin wrote: > It is good to hear there is still so much interest in EnCore! I have=20 > long had the desire to have an EnCore MOO "conference" of sorts to=20 > discuss just the kinds of ideas we are bouncing around. I mentioned=20 > my interest in a conference to Dene Grigar (Nouspace MOO), and she was > all for the idea. I think given our international presence, a face to > face conference might be a little hard to pull off (though Australia=20 > would be nice...), so I think an online conference or series of online > meetings to organize this consortium would work. > > If any of you are interested in helping with the initial organizing of > this effort, please let me know (on or off list). Perhaps we can meet > in LinguaMOO in the next week and come up with some ideas to share=20 > with the rest of the folks on the list. > > ...and I'm goi