From Lirvin@ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU Mon Mar 3 05:29:24 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 03 Mar 2003 05:29:25 -0600 Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from null-pmn.utdallas.edu (null-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D49F637F for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 05:29:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by null-pmn.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AC911A2338 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 05:29:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx0.utdallas.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ns0 [127.0.0.1:10024]) (amavisd-new) with LMTP id 27894-01-89 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 05:29:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by mx0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 1FED038A8E for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 05:29:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from Ir191470.accd.edu [10.1.11.61] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Mon, 03 Mar 2003 05:29:19 CST Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030303052930.009f6850@accdvm.accd.edu> X-Sender: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 05:32:34 -0800 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Lennie Irvin Subject: [encore] 1stMondays@AlaMOO Today 2 PM CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_215393888==.ALT" X-archive-position: 794 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Lirvin@accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Lirvin@accd.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore --=====================_215393888==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Just a reminder for today's session. Lennie *************************************************** 1stMondays@AlaMOO March 2003 Edition from 2-3 PM CST Monday 3/3/03 in AlaMOO Topic: The useful art of chatting. 1stMondays @AlaMOO is faculty development forum sponsored by the San Antonio College Department of English. AlaMOO can be accessed at: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/index.htm Complete "packet" with info and help on how to access AlaMOO and engage in a MOO discussion: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/MOOstuff/AlaMOOconfpacket.htm --=====================_215393888==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Just a reminder for today's session.

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*************************************************** 1stMondays@AlaMOO March 2003 Edition from 2-3 PM CST Monday 3/3/03 in AlaMOO Topic: The useful art of chatting. 1stMondays @AlaMOO is faculty development forum sponsored by the San Antonio College Department of English. AlaMOO can be accessed at: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/index.htm Complete "packet" with info and help on how to access AlaMOO and engage in a MOO discussion: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/MOOstuff/AlaMOOconfpacket.htm --=====================_215393888==.ALT-- From Mark.A.ONeil@Dartmouth.EDU Mon Mar 3 20:06:29 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 03 Mar 2003 20:06:29 -0600 Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from null-pmn.utdallas.edu (null-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA687639A for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 20:06:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by null-pmn.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6747A1A1DD5 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 20:06:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx0.utdallas.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ns0 [127.0.0.1:10024]) (amavisd-new) with LMTP id 11929-01-55 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 20:06:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailhub1.dartmouth.edu (mailhub1.dartmouth.edu [129.170.17.63]) by mx0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63E9F38A89 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 20:06:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (dialup-79-222.dartmouth.edu [129.170.79.222]) by mailhub1.dartmouth.edu (8.12.8+DND/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2426Cee282341; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 21:06:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 21:10:39 -0500 Subject: [encore] Re: how to speed up an enCore DB ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) Cc: encore@utdallas.edu To: grhager@zubi.com From: "Mark O'Neil" In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <7E98A122-4DE6-11D7-879B-000393A380A4@Dartmouth.EDU> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) X-MailScanner: No virus detected by mailhub.Dartmouth.EDU X-archive-position: 795 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Mark.A.ONeil@Dartmouth.EDU Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Mark.A.ONeil@Dartmouth.EDU List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore George, Thanks for that pointer and it seems to help a great deal. Could you or someone else with "core" experience please explain to me the significance of #10.current_lag and #10:sample_lag and their effect on overall performance? I am troubleshooting intermittent lag on the scale of big to huge - granted I am working with a highly altered server instance, but if I more clearly understand how the core works all the better to tweak the server. I think my problem may be related more to the wait for a server spawned process to return than anything to do with the core. What would be the potential side effect(s) of killing a task (core side request to kill) that has been in a read/wait state for too long - if that is even possible? Also what is the recommended means of disabling #10:sample_lag() and what if any may be possible side effects? Enough questions for now. Thanks! -m On Friday, August 9, 2002, at 10:24 AM, George Hager wrote: > I just set the $login.current_lag to 0 like you suggested, disabled > $login:sample_lag() completely, and now everything is faster *and* more > consistent, and players aren't held up waiting while new rooms are > being built. From Mark.A.ONeil@Dartmouth.EDU Mon Mar 3 20:13:37 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 03 Mar 2003 20:13:37 -0600 Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from null-pmn.utdallas.edu (null-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9907D639A for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 20:13:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by null-pmn.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CE001A244B for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 20:13:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx0.utdallas.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ns0 [127.0.0.1:10024]) (amavisd-new) with LMTP id 11935-01-65 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 20:13:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailhub1.dartmouth.edu (mailhub1.dartmouth.edu [129.170.17.63]) by mx0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF35C38A91 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 20:13:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (dialup-79-222.dartmouth.edu [129.170.79.222]) by mailhub1.dartmouth.edu (8.12.8+DND/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h242DGee287856; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 21:13:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 21:17:43 -0500 Subject: [encore] Re: how to speed up an enCore DB ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) Cc: grhager@zubi.com, encore@utdallas.edu To: "Mark O'Neil" From: "Mark O'Neil" In-Reply-To: <7E98A122-4DE6-11D7-879B-000393A380A4@Dartmouth.EDU> Message-Id: <7B56AF46-4DE7-11D7-879B-000393A380A4@Dartmouth.EDU> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) X-MailScanner: No virus detected by mailhub.Dartmouth.EDU X-archive-position: 796 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Mark.A.ONeil@Dartmouth.EDU Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Mark.A.ONeil@Dartmouth.EDU List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Okay my bad - I just found Alexandre Borgia's original post while searching another topic so less the need for the explanation as I think I get the idea - the rest is open for suggestion though. -m On Monday, March 3, 2003, at 09:10 PM, Mark O'Neil wrote: > George, > Thanks for that pointer and it seems to help a great deal. > > Could you or someone else with "core" experience please explain to me > the significance of #10.current_lag and #10:sample_lag and their effect > on overall performance? > > I am troubleshooting intermittent lag on the scale of big to huge - > granted I am working with a highly altered server instance, but if I > more clearly understand how the core works all the better to tweak the > server. I think my problem may be related more to the wait for a server > spawned process to return than anything to do with the core. What would > be the potential side effect(s) of killing a task (core side request to > kill) that has been in a read/wait state for too long - if that is even > possible? > > Also what is the recommended means of disabling #10:sample_lag() and > what if any may be possible side effects? > > Enough questions for now. > > Thanks! > -m > > > On Friday, August 9, 2002, at 10:24 AM, George Hager wrote: > >> I just set the $login.current_lag to 0 like you suggested, disabled >> $login:sample_lag() completely, and now everything is faster *and* >> more consistent, and players aren't held up waiting while new rooms >> are being built. > From vansouza@uol.com.br Tue Mar 4 15:41:27 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 04 Mar 2003 15:41:27 -0600 Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from null-pmn.utdallas.edu (null-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9F8962FE for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 15:41:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by null-pmn.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C6C51A0520 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 15:41:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx0.utdallas.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ns0 [127.0.0.1:10024]) (amavisd-new) with LMTP id 19814-01-88 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 15:41:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from traven10.uol.com.br (traven10.uol.com.br [200.221.29.45]) by mx0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0606D38A99 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 15:41:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from nome585wjwifvl ([200.158.200.143]) by traven10.uol.com.br (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA01378 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 18:39:07 -0300 (BRT) Message-ID: <000a01c2e296$c6aacf90$0100000a@nome585wjwifvl> From: "Van" To: References: <7E98A122-4DE6-11D7-879B-000393A380A4@Dartmouth.EDU> Subject: [encore] multiple msgs Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 18:41:12 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-archive-position: 797 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: vansouza@uol.com.br Precedence: bulk Reply-to: vansouza@uol.com.br List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hello all-- I need to send a message to all players at my MOO using ordinary e-mail. I know that the command: $network:sendmail does that but, how to send multiple msgs at once? Would appreciate any help! Thanks From herve@hawaii.edu Tue Mar 4 19:35:05 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 04 Mar 2003 19:35:05 -0600 Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from null-pmn.utdallas.edu (null-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70D8763A9 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 19:35:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by null-pmn.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29F9A1A32BC for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 19:35:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx0.utdallas.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ns0 [127.0.0.1:10024]) (amavisd-new) with LMTP id 13548-01-54 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 19:35:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from rapidash.its.hawaii.edu (rapidash.its.hawaii.edu [128.171.94.83]) by mx0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF8E838A91 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 19:35:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail.hawaii.edu by mail.hawaii.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.4 (built Aug 5 2002)) id <0HB9002014ESE7@mail.hawaii.edu>; Tue, 04 Mar 2003 15:29:27 -1000 (HST) Received: from herve.phys.hawaii.edu (herve.phys.hawaii.edu [128.171.11.114]) by mail.hawaii.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.4 (built Aug 5 2002)) with ESMTPS id <0HB90011I5FR0W@mail.hawaii.edu>; Tue, 04 Mar 2003 15:28:39 -1000 (HST) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 15:39:09 -1000 (HST) From: rv Subject: [encore] Re: multiple msgs In-reply-to: <000a01c2e296$c6aacf90$0100000a@nome585wjwifvl> X-X-Sender: herve@herve.phys.hawaii.edu To: Van Cc: encore@utdallas.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 798 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: herve@hawaii.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: herve@hawaii.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Van, Try this: But make sure you try it first, oon test players (replacing players() by this.{#111, #222} (where #111 and #222 are players of yours), to ensure that there is no goof or typos on the following (didn't compile them to check). #1234:trigger_email this none this body = {}; body = {@body, "blabla in your body"}; for i in [1..length(players())] if (players()[i] != #36 && players()[i] != #71 && players()[i] != #38) " this is to ensure that Housekeeper, Hacker and Everyman are kept out"; $command_utils:suspend_if_needed(0); to = players()[i].email_address; subject = "put your subject here"; " the body is defined above, so is the same for all "; " although you could tweak it a little by inserting it inside "; " this loop to make it personal and include things like: "; " body = {@body, $string_utils:from_list({\"Hello \", players()[i].name)};"; " or whatever."; this:send_email(subject, body, to); " if you want to get output everytime an email is sent, assuming #2 is launching the verb"; "then you can add something like:"; notify(#2, "Email sent to " + players()[i].name + " at " + to); endif endfor . #1234:send_email this none this if (!caller_perms().wizard) return E_PERM; endif {subject, body, to} = args; " you can change the reply-to with anything that you want, actually"; return $network:sendmail(to, subject, "Reply-to: " + $login.registration_address, @body); . To trigger the whole thing, use: ;#1234:trigger_email() Aloha, - -rv, > I need to send a message to all players at my MOO using > ordinary e-mail. > > I know that the command: $network:sendmail does that but, > how to send multiple msgs at once? > > Would appreciate any help! > > Thanks > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+ZVVBgJTKqShLTdgRAtc/AJ93zZnULfFSEPByhd0jS2KeQNvG2QCfaNjD 85okJ/405cEw3fwNepOQnv8= =I1Rd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jeffwhite@uaa.alaska.edu Thu Mar 6 01:14:50 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 06 Mar 2003 01:14:50 -0600 Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from null-pmn.utdallas.edu (null-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02DFA6417 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 01:14:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by null-pmn.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 616571A060C for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 01:14:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx0.utdallas.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ns0 [127.0.0.1:10024]) (amavisd-new) with LMTP id 21290-01-16 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 01:14:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from ITSFW01.uaa.alaska.edu (Sentinel.uaa.alaska.edu [137.229.138.128]) by mx0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D2D38A90 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 01:14:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from sentinel.uaa.alaska.edu by ITSFW01.uaa.alaska.edu via smtpd (for ns0.utdallas.edu [129.110.10.1]) with ESMTP; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 22:14:47 -0900 Received: from [137.229.138.2] ([137.229.181.232]) by sentinel.uaa.alaska.edu (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id HBBG5700.JT7 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 22:15:07 -0900 Received: from Isocrates-1.uaa.alaska.edu ([137.229.181.232]) by [137.229.138.2] via smtpd (for sentinel.uaa.alaska.edu [137.229.138.128]) with ESMTP; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 22:14:44 -0900 From: "Jeff White" To: Subject: [encore] Cookies? Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 22:14:15 -0900 Organization: University of Alaska Anchorage Message-ID: <000f01c2e3af$fef24f30$e8b5e589@Isocrates> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-archive-position: 799 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: afjcw@uaa.alaska.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: afjcw@uaa.alaska.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore I have a student who was having problems using an web-based application in the web side of the MOO. He emailed me, and before I looked to see if I could figure out what was going on, he wrote back and said he "fixed it." The fix was to allow cookies. I didn't think enCore dropped a cookie on a user's machine. If it does, why? Anyway, he was quite annoyed with me because I am using an "experimental software, not a trustworthy one like Blackboard" and this use has caused him to "have to remove Mcaffee protection and leave him vulnerable"...etc. I think the real problem was an overreaction to the annoying situation of a session variable that timed out in my portfolio app before he was finished entering text. I still have to check it out and extend the time-out...but, anyway, I still wanted to know (not so much for this case, but generally) if a cookie is used. Thanks, jeffwhite From aborgia@videotron.ca Thu Mar 6 15:47:44 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 06 Mar 2003 15:47:44 -0600 Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from null-pmn.utdallas.edu (null-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D9B363A2 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 15:47:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by null-pmn.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD1D81A1732 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 15:47:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx0.utdallas.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ns0 [127.0.0.1:10024]) (amavisd-new) with LMTP id 24863-01-16 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 15:47:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from VL-MS-MR005.sc1.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 405B438A88 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 15:47:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from alex ([24.200.69.169]) by VL-MS-MR005.sc1.videotron.ca (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.10 (built Jan 23 2003)) with SMTP id <0HBC00N53KJ90F@VL-MS-MR005.sc1.videotron.ca> for encore@utdallas.edu; Thu, 06 Mar 2003 16:47:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 16:47:38 -0500 From: Alexandre Borgia Subject: [encore] Re: Cookies? To: Encore Message-id: <001b01c2e42a$01ea5910$0200a8c0@alex> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000f01c2e3af$fef24f30$e8b5e589@Isocrates> X-archive-position: 800 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: aborgia@videotron.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-to: aborgia@videotron.ca List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Greeting, Yes, enCore uses a cookie to identify the session. I don't know about the technicalities but I think it generates a random unique identifier string which is stored to make sure the user has logged in and has the rights to access its player. It is when this cookie expires that you get the "Authentification failed - session timed out ..." kindof error. It is actually the most common way to keep some state of activity into what would otherwise be blind, transient document serving (we should not forget that the web protocol never meant to serve "applications" - hence these twisted ways to provide pseudo-interactive content & context). "Blackboard" most probably uses cookies as well - actually the more "professional" a site is the more are the chances it uses cookies. I hope this was not the argument used when saying "enCore is experimental". enCore is built on a over-a-decade old technology which prooved itself - and the front-end interface starts to age as well. It may not be professional - that is, not focusing on looks & fastly-coded interface that holds on design and amazing server ressources - but it is for sure solid ;) Simply put, a cookie is a small bit of data saved on your hard drive by a website to keep information about your current browsing activity. With cookies a site can keep trace of why you got redirected to that page and to what you have access - it can also know if you prefer to have a black background instead of a white one or remember your username so the field is already filled when you browse the page. For instance, it is easy to notice that a way to pass arguments to a website is to put them at the end of an URL (ie: something.html?myname=alex). Well, cookies keep a similar a list of keys (myname) and values (alex), only in a more consistent way. Concretely, they are usually tiny text files that can be viewed with any plain-text editor. The myth of the "dangerous, security/privacy threatening cookie" is alas pursued by a lot of cheap rotating-ad privacy & protection softwares. The way they are presented in browser settings also makes them appear to be a potential threat. The thruth is that a cookie is nothing more than what stated above: a small plain-text dump file. It cannot execute code, nor provide other information than what the website knows and explicitely put in. They are furthermore protected with a wide amount of security settings; for instance they usually expire after a while, and their access can be restricted to a unique domain & path. At some level they can be - and are actually used a lot to provide a little more anonymous statistics on website usage (and here comes the whole privacy-alert) - as to monitor visiting frequency or site sections with the most interest. But there again, this information is nothing compared to what a site already knows from the standard web protocol (ie: when you request a page you have already sent to the http server your location, the browser you use and some info about your computer environment which might include your username etc.) With some philosophy one cannot expect to remain an anonymous, omniscient user and ask for dynamic content at the same time. If you want some consistency in your browsing it is normal that the host site can use these tools to pinpoint the statistics it gathers as well - which is still a lot less than what one could get by monitoring people passing through a metro tourniquet. My two cents, - Alexandre Borgia From jan.holmevik@uib.no Fri Mar 7 20:11:31 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 07 Mar 2003 20:11:32 -0600 Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from null-pmn.utdallas.edu (null-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29C6069BF for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 20:11:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by null-pmn.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC4991A06E8 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 20:11:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx0.utdallas.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ns0 [127.0.0.1:10024]) (amavisd-new) with LMTP id 21540-01-73 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 20:11:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from alf.uib.no (alf.uib.no [129.177.30.3]) by mx0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F27638A89 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 20:11:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from c66.169.102.60.ts46v-02.mhe2.ftwrth.tx.charter.com ([10.0.1.201]) [66.169.102.60] by alf.uib.no for encore@utdallas.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18rTnp-00074b-00; Sat, 08 Mar 2003 03:11:09 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 20:11:07 -0600 Subject: [encore] Re: Cookies? From: Jan Rune Holmevik To: enCore list Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001b01c2e42a$01ea5910$0200a8c0@alex> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-checked-clean: by exiscan on alf X-Scanner: 912083ae1fbec32910755d55df127810 http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-UiB-SpamFlag: NO UIB: -5 hits, 8.0 required X-UiB-SpamReport: spamassassin found; * -5.0 -- 'In-Reply-To' line found X-archive-position: 801 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jan.holmevik@uib.no Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jan.holmevik@uib.no List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore What Alex said :) Jan On 3/6/03 3:47 PM, "Alexandre Borgia" wrote: > Greeting, > > Yes, enCore uses a cookie to identify the session. I don't know about > the technicalities but I think it generates a random unique identifier > string which is stored to make sure the user has logged in and has the > rights to access its player. It is when this cookie expires that you get > the "Authentification failed - session timed out ..." kindof error. It is > actually the most common way to keep some state of activity into what would > otherwise be blind, transient document serving (we should not forget that > the web protocol never meant to serve "applications" - hence these twisted > ways to provide pseudo-interactive content & context). > > "Blackboard" most probably uses cookies as well - actually the more > "professional" a site is the more are the chances it uses cookies. I hope > this was not the argument used when saying "enCore is experimental". enCore > is built on a over-a-decade old technology which prooved itself - and the > front-end interface starts to age as well. It may not be professional - > that is, not focusing on looks & fastly-coded interface that holds on design > and amazing server ressources - but it is for sure solid ;) > > Simply put, a cookie is a small bit of data saved on your hard drive by > a website to keep information about your current browsing activity. With > cookies a site can keep trace of why you got redirected to that page and to > what you have access - it can also know if you prefer to have a black > background instead of a white one or remember your username so the field is > already filled when you browse the page. > For instance, it is easy to notice that a way to pass arguments to a > website is to put them at the end of an URL (ie: > something.html?myname=alex). Well, cookies keep a similar a list of keys > (myname) and values (alex), only in a more consistent way. Concretely, they > are usually tiny text files that can be viewed with any plain-text editor. > > The myth of the "dangerous, security/privacy threatening cookie" is alas > pursued by a lot of cheap rotating-ad privacy & protection softwares. The > way they are presented in browser settings also makes them appear to be a > potential threat. The thruth is that a cookie is nothing more than what > stated above: a small plain-text dump file. It cannot execute code, nor > provide other information than what the website knows and explicitely put > in. They are furthermore protected with a wide amount of security settings; > for instance they usually expire after a while, and their access can be > restricted to a unique domain & path. > At some level they can be - and are actually used a lot to provide a > little more anonymous statistics on website usage (and here comes the whole > privacy-alert) - as to monitor visiting frequency or site sections with the > most interest. But there again, this information is nothing compared to > what a site already knows from the standard web protocol (ie: when you > request a page you have already sent to the http server your location, the > browser you use and some info about your computer environment which might > include your username etc.) > > With some philosophy one cannot expect to remain an anonymous, > omniscient user and ask for dynamic content at the same time. If you want > some consistency in your browsing it is normal that the host site can use > these tools to pinpoint the statistics it gathers as well - which is still a > lot less than what one could get by monitoring people passing through a > metro tourniquet. > > My two cents, > - Alexandre Borgia > > > > __Jan Rune Holmevik, Cand Philol_________________________________________ University of Bergen jan@mac.com Department of Humanistic Informatics jan.holmevik@uib.no Sydnesplass 7, HF-bygget janruneh@utdallas.edu N-5007 Bergen, NORWAY http://lingua.utdallas.edu/jan From vansouza@uol.com.br Tue Mar 11 09:18:56 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:18:56 -0600 Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from null-pmn.utdallas.edu (null-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 027B563FC for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:18:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by null-pmn.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 902EF1A05C8 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:18:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx0.utdallas.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ns0 [127.0.0.1:10024]) (amavisd-new) with LMTP id 18986-01-96 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:18:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from ginsberg.uol.com.br (ginsberg.uol.com.br [200.221.29.48]) by mx0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1549738A8A for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:18:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from nome585wjwifvl ([200.158.201.209]) by ginsberg.uol.com.br (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA07127; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:16:07 -0300 (BRT) Message-ID: <002f01c2e7e1$825ff5e0$0100000a@nome585wjwifvl> From: "Van" To: Cc: References: Subject: [encore] Re: [moolist] talking about the war Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:18:45 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-archive-position: 802 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: vansouza@uol.com.br Precedence: bulk Reply-to: vansouza@uol.com.br List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Would anyone be interested in participate in an activity on FatecMOO? I and my students here in Brazil will be discussing about the Iraq's confict and would be glad if someone who speaks English could join us. The aim of the activity is both to improve their communication skills in English as a Foreign Language and to get in touch with different points of view from people around the world. When: March, 15th at 10:00 PM - Brasilia Time Where: http://www.fatecid.com.br:7000/ or telnet://moo.fatecid.com.br:7777 Would be very thankful if you could be there! Van From jan.holmevik@uib.no Tue Mar 11 12:23:58 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:23:59 -0600 Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from null-pmn.utdallas.edu (null-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C18D963FC for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:23:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by null-pmn.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F4021A10C9 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:23:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx0.utdallas.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ns0 [127.0.0.1:10024]) (amavisd-new) with LMTP id 17132-01-15 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:23:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from alf.uib.no (alf.uib.no [129.177.30.3]) by mx0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCB1D38A8B for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:23:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from c66.169.102.60.ts46v-02.mhe2.ftwrth.tx.charter.com ([10.0.1.201]) [66.169.102.60] by alf.uib.no for encore@utdallas.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18soPp-0003eE-00; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:23:53 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:23:51 -0600 Subject: [encore] Research Info Needed From: Jan Rune Holmevik To: enCore list Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-checked-clean: by exiscan on alf X-Scanner: 48be84a6a544eb622327a2eb8dc25b78 http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-UiB-SpamFlag: NO UIB: 0 hits, 8.0 required X-UiB-SpamReport: spamassassin found; X-archive-position: 803 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jan.holmevik@uib.no Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jan.holmevik@uib.no List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hey I have a favor to ask. I'm currently working on a chapter about the enCore project for my dissertation and I'd like to include data about system usage. If you could send me some information about your MOO (off list) I'd be thankful. Things that I'd be interested in knowing includes purpose and applications for which the MOO is being used. How long the MOO has been in use and how many users you have. Supporting institution (if any). Experiences with local modifications additions/ adaptations to the system. General experiences with the enCore system in practical educational use. Thanks, Jan __Jan Rune Holmevik, Cand Philol_________________________________________ University of Bergen jan@mac.com Department of Humanistic Informatics jan.holmevik@uib.no Sydnesplass 7, HF-bygget janruneh@utdallas.edu N-5007 Bergen, NORWAY http://lingua.utdallas.edu/jan From jan.holmevik@uib.no Tue Mar 11 18:34:31 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:34:32 -0600 Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from null-pmn.utdallas.edu (null-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F076659D for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:34:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by null-pmn.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2E561A1AB3 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:34:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx0.utdallas.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ns0 [127.0.0.1:10024]) (amavisd-new) with LMTP id 02585-01-10 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:34:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from alf.uib.no (alf.uib.no [129.177.30.3]) by mx0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 000D538A8B for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:34:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from c66.169.102.60.ts46v-02.mhe2.ftwrth.tx.charter.com ([10.0.1.201]) [66.169.102.60] by alf.uib.no for encore@utdallas.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18suCP-0002JE-00; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 01:34:26 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:34:21 -0600 Subject: [encore] Thanks! From: Jan Rune Holmevik To: enCore list Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-checked-clean: by exiscan on alf X-Scanner: d35b8c70216905e568e16572d5c57fae http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-UiB-SpamFlag: NO UIB: 0 hits, 8.0 required X-UiB-SpamReport: spamassassin found; X-archive-position: 804 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jan.holmevik@uib.no Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jan.holmevik@uib.no List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Just wanted to send a quick Thank You to those who have already responded to my request for information. Keep it coming folks :D Cheers, Jan __Jan Rune Holmevik, Cand Philol_________________________________________ University of Bergen jan@mac.com Department of Humanistic Informatics jan.holmevik@uib.no Sydnesplass 7, HF-bygget janruneh@utdallas.edu N-5007 Bergen, NORWAY http://lingua.utdallas.edu/jan From martin.sundstedt@mmedu.net Wed Mar 19 05:25:10 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 19 Mar 2003 05:25:11 -0600 Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from null-pmn.utdallas.edu (null-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ECD96648 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 05:25:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by null-pmn.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D55E1A367B for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 05:25:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx0.utdallas.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ns0 [127.0.0.1:10024]) (amavisd-new) with LMTP id 20820-01-73 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 05:25:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from sav (unknown [193.14.11.99]) by mx0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 0B1F338A92 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 05:25:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from eden.grace.se ([10.1.1.4]) by sav (SAVSMTP 3.0.0.44) with SMTP id M2003031912271925107 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 12:27:19 +0100 Message-id: Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 12:26:04 +0100 Subject: [encore] Loginproblem with enCore Xpress To: encore@utdallas.edu From: "Martin Sundstedt" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-archive-position: 805 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: martin.sundstedt@mmedu.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: martin.sundstedt@mmedu.net List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hello, hopefully you can help me wit this strange problem... I have set up a moo on my local network, to test before it goes public and mostly to let me learn to do some serious programming without the risk of totally crashing the real moo... First i had the perhaps wellknown problem with the 'permission denied'-alertbox. But after reading the posts here, i managed to solve that... Now i can login, but thats just about it. The loginprocesses stalls when the login is done. I get the menu, with all the buttons but the leftframe is gray and after a while it changes the coffeecup in the topleft corner into a red X. And the rightframe just shows the arrows wandering from left to right... Pretty annoying. Is there anyone who has had this problem and managed to solve it. Or just has an idea ? Kindest regards, Martin From martin.sundstedt@mmedu.net Wed Mar 19 06:55:23 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 19 Mar 2003 06:55:23 -0600 Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from null-pmn.utdallas.edu (null-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B09576648 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 06:55:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by null-pmn.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7222B1A37E4 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 06:55:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx0.utdallas.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ns0 [127.0.0.1:10024]) (amavisd-new) with LMTP id 23472-01-96 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 06:55:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from sav (unknown [193.14.11.99]) by mx0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 744C738A89 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 06:55:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from eden.grace.se ([10.1.1.4]) by sav (SAVSMTP 3.0.0.44) with SMTP id M2003031913573205268 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 13:57:32 +0100 Message-id: Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 13:56:16 +0100 Subject: [encore] Re: Loginproblem with enCore Xpress To: encore@utdallas.edu From: "Martin Sundstedt" References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030319064103.00a0a2f0@accdvm.accd.edu> In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030319064103.00a0a2f0@accdvm.accd.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-archive-position: 806 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: martin.sundstedt@mmedu.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: martin.sundstedt@mmedu.net List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Thanks for a quick answer, but alas no. That didn't work. I seem to have forgot to mention some things: 1. I can login to other moo's, at my school there are a several moo's but i dont have problem connecting to those... 2. I have updated Windows (now its win2k sp3), java and the browsers... 3. I use both NN7, Mozilla 1.3 and IE6, and still the same problem... The oddest thing to me is that i can login to other moo's without the problem but not my own... Sincerely, Martin Sundstedt From afjcw@uaa.alaska.edu Wed Mar 19 07:25:31 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 19 Mar 2003 07:25:31 -0600 Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from null-pmn.utdallas.edu (null-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id F13C16648 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 07:25:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by null-pmn.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 697D81A18E9 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 07:25:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx0.utdallas.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ns0 [127.0.0.1:10024]) (amavisd-new) with LMTP id 26399-01-79 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 07:25:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from ITSFW01.uaa.alaska.edu (webmail.uaa.alaska.edu [137.229.138.128]) by mx0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44F9D38A89 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 07:25:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from sentinel.uaa.alaska.edu by ITSFW01.uaa.alaska.edu via smtpd (for ns0.utdallas.edu [129.110.10.1]) with ESMTP; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 04:25:29 -0900 Received: from sentinel.uaa.alaska.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by sentinel.uaa.alaska.edu (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id HBZZZ300.08D; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 04:25:51 -0900 From: "Jeff White" To: martin.sundstedt@mmedu.net Cc: encore@utdallas.edu Message-ID: <262b432619e7.2619e7262b43@sentinel.uaa.alaska.edu> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 04:25:51 -0900 X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: en Subject: [encore] Re: Loginproblem with enCore Xpress X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 807 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: afjcw@uaa.alaska.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: afjcw@uaa.alaska.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Martin, It sounds like, maybe, you should check the settings with '@configure'. To do that, you could telnet to the MYENCOREmoo.wherever.edu:7777 If the settings there aren't pointing to the right directories on your server, then I think you could have the problem you describe--that is, the main frameset page would call for a java applet and material for the web-panel, so the browser would show the icons-of-expectancy (the java cup & 'please wait...' page), but not deliver them. jeffwhite ___________________________________ Jeff White | jeffwhite@uaa.alaska.edu University of Alaska Anchorage ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Sundstedt" Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 2:26 am Subject: [encore] Loginproblem with enCore Xpress > Hello, > hopefully you can help me wit this strange problem... > > I have set up a moo on my local network, to test before > it goes public and mostly to let me learn to do some serious > programming without the risk of totally crashing the real moo... > > First i had the perhaps wellknown problem with the 'permission > denied'-alertbox. > But after reading the posts here, i managed to solve that... > > Now i can login, but thats just about it. The loginprocesses > stalls when > the login is done. I get the menu, with all the buttons but the > leftframeis gray and after a while it changes the coffeecup in the > topleft corner > into a red X. And the rightframe just shows the arrows wandering from > left to right... > > Pretty annoying. Is there anyone who has had this problem and managed > to solve it. Or just has an idea ? > > Kindest regards, > Martin > > > > From martin.sundstedt@mmedu.net Wed Mar 19 09:07:12 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:07:12 -0600 Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from null-pmn.utdallas.edu (null-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C41396648 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:07:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by null-pmn.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 832461A203B for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:07:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx0.utdallas.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ns0 [127.0.0.1:10024]) (amavisd-new) with LMTP id 08474-01-73 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:07:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from sav (unknown [193.14.11.99]) by mx0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 3C07838A88 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:07:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from eden.grace.se ([10.1.1.4]) by sav (SAVSMTP 3.0.0.44) with SMTP id M2003031916091731905 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:09:17 +0100 Message-id: Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:08:00 +0100 Subject: [encore] Re: Loginproblem with enCore Xpress To: encore@utdallas.edu From: "Martin Sundstedt" References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030319064103.00a0a2f0@accdvm.accd.edu> <001801c2ee23$58d97eb0$0200a8c0@alex> In-Reply-To: <001801c2ee23$58d97eb0$0200a8c0@alex> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-archive-position: 808 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: martin.sundstedt@mmedu.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: martin.sundstedt@mmedu.net List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi, Thanks to all who has assisted me. It works now, and hopefully will do so in the future... Thanks ! / Martin From cynthiah@utdallas.edu Fri Mar 21 10:00:11 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 21 Mar 2003 10:00:11 -0600 Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from smtp1.utdallas.edu (smtp1-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.5]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E860D6655 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 10:00:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from [10.0.1.202] (c66.169.102.60.ts46v-02.mhe2.ftwrth.tx.charter.com [66.169.102.60]) by smtp1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44038388CB2 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 10:00:10 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 10:00:07 -0600 Subject: [encore] FW: Message submitted to 'encore' From: Cynthia Haynes To: encore Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 809 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: cynthiah@utdallas.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: cynthiah@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore ------ Forwarded Message From: Ecartis Reply-To: rbroglio@earthlink.net Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 09:32:00 -0600 To: encore-moderators@utdallas.edu Subject: Message submitted to 'encore' This message was received for a list you are a moderator on, and was marked for moderation due to the following reason: Non-member submission to closed-post list. To approve this message and have it go out on the list, forward this to encore-repost@utdallas.edu If you wish to decline the post, change the 'apppost' below to 'delpost'. If you wish to edit the post, change it to 'modpost' and edit the message as needed - not all mail programs will work with modpost. DO NOT DELETE THE FOLLOWING LINE. Ecartis needs it. // apppost 3E7B3070:2A5F.1:rapber From rbroglio@earthlink.net Fri Mar 21 09:32:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from null-pmn.utdallas.edu (null-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8591F6655 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 09:32:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by null-pmn.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F82C1A09EF for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 09:32:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx0.utdallas.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ns0 [127.0.0.1:10024]) (amavisd-new) with LMTP id 07642-01-83 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 09:31:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from hellmouth2.gatech.edu (hellmouth2.gatech.edu [130.207.165.162]) by mx0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5DCC38A8F for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 09:31:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from hellmouth2.gatech.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hellmouth2.gatech.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 884ABA556 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 10:31:59 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rbroglio@earthlink.net) Received: from mailprx2.gatech.edu (mailprx2.prism.gatech.edu [130.207.171.21]) (using TLSv1 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.mail.gatech.edu", Issuer "RSA Data Security? Inc." (verified OK)) by hellmouth2.gatech.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 756E3A553 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 10:31:59 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rbroglio@earthlink.net) Received: from earthlink.net (lccwest166.skiles.gatech.edu [130.207.147.166]) by mailprx2.gatech.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ADE53A60B for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 10:31:59 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rbroglio@earthlink.net) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 10:33:45 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: sharing rooms From: Ron Broglio To: encore@utdallas.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <80AFD7C4-5BB2-11D7-9A2A-0003939DFD34@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Hi folks, I'm having a problem allowing player-programmers to share rooms. I'm wondering if this is because of modifications I've done to EnCore or if this is a problem in Encore itself. Thanks. Ron Ron Broglio http://www.lcc.gatech.edu/~broglio School of LCC Georgia Tech // eompost 3E7B3070:2A5F.1:rapber ------ End of Forwarded Message From wmassey@attbi.com Fri Mar 21 13:03:55 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 21 Mar 2003 13:03:55 -0600 Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from null-pmn.utdallas.edu (null-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAB1B67D0 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 13:03:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by null-pmn.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 994F31A3861 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 13:03:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx0.utdallas.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ns0 [127.0.0.1:10024]) (amavisd-new) with LMTP id 04648-01-62 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 13:03:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by mx0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83C8838A88 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 13:03:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from c1005265a (12-240-157-143.client.attbi.com[12.240.157.143]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51) with SMTP id <20030321190348051003gpive>; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 19:03:49 +0000 Message-ID: <030101c2efdc$c41884e0$0300a8c0@c1005265a> From: "William Massey" To: Subject: [encore] Removal Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 11:04:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02FE_01C2EF99.B58719C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-archive-position: 810 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: wmassey@attbi.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: wmassey@attbi.com List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02FE_01C2EF99.B58719C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I am on the encore mailing list, but I do not need this any longer. I = do not know how to remove my email from the list. Thanks, William Massey ------=_NextPart_000_02FE_01C2EF99.B58719C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I am on the encore mailing list, but I do not = need this=20 any longer. I do not know how to remove my email from the=20 list. Thanks, William Massey ------=_NextPart_000_02FE_01C2EF99.B58719C0-- From anne.midenet@lille.iufm.fr Thu Mar 27 08:59:36 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 27 Mar 2003 08:59:37 -0600 Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from null-pmn.utdallas.edu (null-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D5536809 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 08:59:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by null-pmn.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C84651A281F for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 08:59:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx0.utdallas.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ns0 [127.0.0.1:10024]) (amavisd-new) with LMTP id 10579-01-40 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 08:59:32 -0600 (CST) Received: from icexplu2.lille.iufm.fr (icexplu2.lille.iufm.fr [195.83.194.18]) by mx0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B89E38A92 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 08:59:29 -0600 (CST) Received: (from root@localhost) by icexplu2.lille.iufm.fr (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2RF0Wf32661 for encore@utdallas.edu; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 16:00:32 +0100 Received: from iglabop3 ([10.199.0.176]) by icexplu2.lille.iufm.fr (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h2RF0T032654 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 16:00:30 +0100 Message-Id: <200303271500.h2RF0T032654@icexplu2.lille.iufm.fr> X-Sender: anne.midenet@pop.lille.iufm.fr X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 15:49:56 +0100 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Anne Midenet Subject: [encore] get rid of redondant messages Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 X-archive-position: 811 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: anne.midenet@lille.iufm.fr Precedence: bulk Reply-to: anne.midenet@lille.iufm.fr List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hello, I'm working in the tecfaMOO, enCore Xpress interface, with young French children (around 9 y.o.). They are very disturbed by the great number of system messages in the left frame that keep them from achieving communication. There are so many of these messages that they actually don't see "real person" messages comming from other children. Plus, these messages aren't really useful in the enCore interface, like those you get when you move to some place else, when someone arrives or leaves the room, the room description, the obvious exits list, the objects in the room. They are mostly redondant with what you get in the right frame, and, anyway, young foreign chidren simply aren't able to use them and, again, these messages don't allow young children to communicate. That's why I'm trying to figure out how to get rid of these messages and I hope someone could help me cause it is tricky to me (I'm unfortunatly not skilled in programming and no one arround me -North of France- knows anything about the MOO)... What are the verbs or the properties (I guessed attached to the room) which are to be changed to : - get rid of "you move to " when you click on a link to another place - get rid of the room description in the left frame - get rid of the obvious exits and the objects list in the left frame - get rid of messages you get when other people leave or arrive * * about this, I tried something on oarrive_msg and oleave_msg : I first tried to modify them in the object dialog box (edit player messages), but actually these changes are not taken in account by the data base, at least it doesn't show. I erased what is "Printed to other people when you leave a room:" and "Printed to other people when you enter a room:" but other people still see something when I leave or arrive. I tried to modify these messages in the down-left frame with @oarrive me is "", other people still gets arrives from , same with odepart. I beleive my questions are not simple to answer to, so thank you very much if you try :-) anne Midenet """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" anne Midenet Institut Universitaire de Formation des Maitres du Nord Pas de Calais Membre du LAMIA : laboratoire multimedia, informatique et apprentissage http://www.lille.iufm.fr/labo/prologlabo.html 2 bis rue Parmentier 59650 Villeneuve d'Ascq - France tel : 03 20 79 87 22 mel : anne.midenet@lille.iufm.fr site personnel : http://tecfa.unige.ch/~midenet """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" From Kit@BlackIrish.net Thu Mar 27 10:43:38 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:43:38 -0600 Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from null-pmn.utdallas.edu (null-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA73E67FD for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:43:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by null-pmn.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72ACD1A39A2 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:43:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx0.utdallas.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ns0 [127.0.0.1:10024]) (amavisd-new) with LMTP id 22351-01-78 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:43:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from bs2-06.fas.harvard.edu (bs2-06.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.34.186]) by mx0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B97538A89 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:43:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from [131.142.9.103] (sedkg2.cfa.harvard.edu [131.142.9.103]) by bs2-06.fas.harvard.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2RGhY002819 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 11:43:34 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tempest@bb14.betterbox.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200303271500.h2RF0T032654@icexplu2.lille.iufm.fr> References: <200303271500.h2RF0T032654@icexplu2.lille.iufm.fr> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 11:43:31 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Kit Subject: [encore] Re: get rid of redundant messages Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-archive-position: 812 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Kit@BlackIrish.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Kit@BlackIrish.net List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- March 27, 2003 I'm leading the gay life! 27 Mawrth 2003 T=E1 m=E9 ag imeacht le haer an tsa= oil! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- I found this email interesting because I do think those messages are, in fact, very useful. What you also should realize, is the text messages that you get in the left frame are the only thing you see if you telnet into your MOO rather than use the graphical interface. For those people, there is no right frame that you see. So it seems to me that to disable those messages, you'll be doing a lot of editing that will make your system unusable via telnet. It's been a while since I edited those verbs. I seem to remember an html stripper so that the people using telnet wouldn't see html tags. I can't remember if there's a call somewhere that calls different verbs for the telnet interface than the left text frame. Perhaps it would be easier to modify the speak verb so that it prints its text in bold so that the children notice those messages more easily? Anyone have some suggestions that could do this in a less-destructive way? Perhaps a room class where those messages are suppressed? On Thursday, March 27, 2003, Anne Midenet wrote= : > Plus, these messages aren't really useful in the enCore interface, > like those you get when you move to some place else, when someone > arrives or leaves the room, the room description, the obvious exits > list, the objects in the room. They are mostly redondant with what you > get in the right frame, and, anyway, young foreign chidren simply > aren't able to use them and, again, these messages > don't allow young children to communicate. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kit http://www.BlackIrish.net/Kit/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ur gaou livet mat 'zo ha=F1val ouzh A well-painted lie is like the ar wirionez. truth. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Six Beers: http://www.silverlake-2000.com/sixbeers/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- March 1 -- Happy St. David's Day March 2 -- Dark Moon March 11 -- First Quarter March 17 -- Happy St. Patrick's Day March 18 -- Full Moon March 24 -- Last Quarter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Mark.A.ONeil@Dartmouth.EDU Thu Mar 27 10:55:39 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:55:39 -0600 Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from null-pmn.utdallas.edu (null-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E44F67F4 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:55:39 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by null-pmn.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 826CF1A194B for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:55:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx0.utdallas.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ns0 [127.0.0.1:10024]) (amavisd-new) with LMTP id 26515-01-73 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:55:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailhub.Dartmouth.EDU (mailhub.Dartmouth.EDU [129.170.16.6]) by mx0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90A1A38A95 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:55:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from Dartmouth.edu (moneil.Kiewit.Dartmouth.EDU [129.170.91.42]) by mailhub.Dartmouth.EDU (8.9.3+DND/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA18410 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 11:55:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 11:55:32 -0500 Subject: [encore] Re: get rid of redundant messages Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: "Mark O'Neil" To: encore@utdallas.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) X-archive-position: 813 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Mark.A.ONeil@Dartmouth.EDU Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Mark.A.ONeil@Dartmouth.EDU List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Wouldn't be relatively simple to capture users who come in via encore, flag a player property as such (if it already doesn't happen) and bit-bucket messages from particular verbs? Telnet users would still see the text. You would add two maybe three lines of code to the verbs in question. Similar application to the custom room I'd think. The problem Kit is, justifiably, noting is that on some MOOS there are rather instructive comments in those messages, though I think for the most part enCore MOOs don't implement them or they are redundant...Feel free to correct that assumption. Just random thoughts. -m On Thursday, March 27, 2003, at 11:43 AM, Kit wrote: > ... > What you also should realize, is the text messages that you get in > the left frame are the only thing you see if you telnet into your MOO > rather than use the graphical interface. For those people, there is > no right frame that you see. > > So it seems to me that to disable those messages, you'll be doing a > lot of editing that will make your system unusable via telnet. > ... > Perhaps it would be easier to modify the speak verb so that it prints > its text in bold so that the children notice those messages more > easily? > > Anyone have some suggestions that could do this in a less-destructive > way? Perhaps a room class where those messages are suppressed? From kevijeps@telusplanet.net Thu Mar 27 11:09:06 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 27 Mar 2003 11:09:06 -0600 Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from null-pmn.utdallas.edu (null-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 947CF67F4 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 11:09:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by null-pmn.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65E521A3C8F for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 11:09:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx0.utdallas.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ns0 [127.0.0.1:10024]) (amavisd-new) with LMTP id 02490-01-43 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 11:09:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from priv-edtnes61.telusplanet.net (outbound01.telus.net [199.185.220.220]) by mx0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E62C138A89 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 11:09:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from ishtar ([198.53.82.216]) by priv-edtnes61.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.17 201-253-122-126-117-20021021) with SMTP id <20030327170901.TLQ7246.priv-edtnes61.telusplanet.net@ishtar> for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:09:01 -0700 From: "Kevin jepson" To: Subject: [encore] Re: get rid of redundant messages Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:09:02 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c2f483$92699000$0d0119ac@4kcon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-archive-position: 814 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: kevijeps@telusplanet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: kevijeps@telusplanet.net List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore I'm wondering if perhaps a better approach would be to setup a Chat Room for these kids to use. Or they could use a separate Telnet App launched from the Moo home page that allows talking without any of the navigation messages. Perhaps this applet running as a separate window would let the user navigate within the virtual space via EnCore but communicate separately. KJ From Mark.A.ONeil@Dartmouth.EDU Thu Mar 27 11:54:25 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 27 Mar 2003 11:54:25 -0600 Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from null-pmn.utdallas.edu (null-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBB486794 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 11:54:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by null-pmn.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 951441A1D01 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 11:54:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx0.utdallas.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ns0 [127.0.0.1:10024]) (amavisd-new) with LMTP id 11001-01-26 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 11:54:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailhub.Dartmouth.EDU (mailhub.Dartmouth.EDU [129.170.16.6]) by mx0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4720538A92 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 11:54:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from Dartmouth.edu (moneil.Kiewit.Dartmouth.EDU [129.170.91.42]) by mailhub.Dartmouth.EDU (8.9.3+DND/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24127; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 12:54:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 12:54:20 -0500 Subject: [encore] Re: get rid of redundant messages Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Cc: encore@utdallas.edu To: kevijeps@telusplanet.net From: "Mark O'Neil" In-Reply-To: <000001c2f483$92699000$0d0119ac@4kcon.com> Message-Id: <231A249B-607D-11D7-8B4E-000A9579F9D2@Dartmouth.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) X-archive-position: 815 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Mark.A.ONeil@Dartmouth.EDU Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Mark.A.ONeil@Dartmouth.EDU List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Ah but see this is an example of "make people adapt to the technology" and not "make the technology more adaptable". I think the great thing about enCore is that it has made MOO technology more approachable and easier to use - anything which furthers that endeavor is progress. Early adopters of any technology will quickly drop it if it proves too cumbersome or pushes their limits of (use)ability - until such a time it becomes ubiquitous and everyone has to adapt - kinda like Windows! (I appologize for that - I couldn't help myself) -m On Thursday, March 27, 2003, at 12:09 PM, Kevin jepson wrote: > I'm wondering if perhaps a better approach would be to setup a Chat > Room for > these kids to use. > > Or they could use a separate Telnet App launched from the Moo home > page > that allows talking without any of the navigation messages. > > Perhaps this applet running as a separate window would let the user > navigate > within the virtual space via EnCore but communicate separately. > > KJ From lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Fri Mar 28 13:08:36 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 28 Mar 2003 13:08:37 -0600 Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from null-pmn.utdallas.edu (null-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D8D867F4 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 13:06:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by null-pmn.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2E251A0D6F for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 13:05:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx0.utdallas.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ns0 [127.0.0.1:10024]) (amavisd-new) with LMTP id 13397-01-10 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 13:05:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by mx0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 869AC38A8A for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 13:05:47 -0600 (CST) Received: from GH208-LIRVIN.accdvm.accd.edu [10.11.36.44] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 13:05:42 CST Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030328125833.00a801d8@accdvm.accd.edu> X-Sender: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 13:05:45 -0600 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Lennie Irvin Subject: [encore] Re: get rid of redundant messages In-Reply-To: <200303271500.h2RF0T032654@icexplu2.lille.iufm.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-archive-position: 816 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore I think Ann is pointing out a very interesting "phase" EnCore is in--is it a text-based MOO? is it a Graphical-interface MOO? should it be both? Does it need to be both? or neither? I know for my own MOO (which is very small...) I have no telnet users--it is all Graphical access via the web, so I can agree with Anne that many of the features she is talking about are superfluous. Some telnet characteristics are already disabled with the graphical access. I'm thinking about object or room descriptions and how they don't show on the left text side with web access but do show when you telnet access. I've actually wanted to pursue ways to take advantage of the two sides of the MOO--text and graphical. For instance, when you visit a room or look at an object some text is invoked to scroll on the left. Or I'd like an object that allowed you to view a text or site on the right and would prompt you through a series of questions and answers on the left. Or an integrated web-slide projector that projected simultaneously text on the left and a web page on the right. I guess we are faced with two questions-- Do we want to keep the remnants of the text-only character of the MOO that seem unneeded in a graphical MOO? How do we evolve EnCore MOO more purely into a graphical MOO? My two cents... Lennie At 03:49 PM 3/27/2003 +0100, Anne Midenet wrote: >Hello, > >I'm working in the tecfaMOO, enCore Xpress interface, with young French >children (around 9 y.o.). >They are very disturbed by the great number of system messages in the left >frame >that keep them from achieving communication. There are so many of these >messages that they actually don't see "real person" messages comming from >other >children. >Plus, these messages aren't really useful in the enCore interface, like those >you get when you move to some place else, when someone arrives or leaves the >room, the room description, the obvious exits list, the objects in the room. >They are mostly redondant with what you get in the right frame, and, anyway, >young foreign chidren simply aren't able to use them and, again, these >messages >don't allow young children to communicate. > >That's why I'm trying to figure out how to get rid of these messages and I >hope >someone could help me cause it is tricky to me (I'm unfortunatly not >skilled in >programming and no one arround me -North of France- knows anything about the >MOO)... > >What are the verbs or the properties (I guessed attached to the room) which >are >to be changed to : >- get rid of "you move to " when you click on a link to another place >- get rid of the room description in the left frame >- get rid of the obvious exits and the objects list in the left frame >- get rid of messages you get when other people leave or arrive * > >* about this, I tried something on oarrive_msg and oleave_msg : >I first tried to modify them in the object dialog box (edit player messages), >but actually these changes are not taken in account by the data base, at least >it doesn't show. I erased what is "Printed to other people when you leave a >room:" and "Printed to other people when you enter a room:" but other people >still see something when I leave or arrive. >I tried to modify these messages in the down-left frame with @oarrive me is >"", >other people still gets arrives from , same with odepart. > >I beleive my questions are not simple to answer to, so thank you very much if >you try :-) > >anne Midenet > > >"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" >anne Midenet >Institut Universitaire de Formation des Maitres du Nord Pas de Calais >Membre du LAMIA : laboratoire multimedia, informatique et apprentissage >http://www.lille.iufm.fr/labo/prologlabo.html >2 bis rue Parmentier 59650 Villeneuve d'Ascq - France >tel : 03 20 79 87 22 >mel : anne.midenet@lille.iufm.fr >site personnel : http://tecfa.unige.ch/~midenet >"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" L. Lennie Irvin English Instructor, San Antonio College 1300 San Pedro Ave. San Antonio, TX 78212 Lirvin@accd.edu http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/lirvin.htm AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/index.htm From Kit@BlackIrish.net Fri Mar 28 13:36:58 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 28 Mar 2003 13:36:59 -0600 Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from null-pmn.utdallas.edu (null-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B09367F4 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 13:36:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by null-pmn.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C1A11A0386 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 13:36:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx0.utdallas.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ns0 [127.0.0.1:10024]) (amavisd-new) with LMTP id 13396-01-66 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 13:36:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from bs1-08.fas.harvard.edu (bs1-08.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.34.183]) by mx0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A19138A8C for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 13:36:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from [131.142.9.103] (sedkg2.cfa.harvard.edu [131.142.9.103]) by bs1-08.fas.harvard.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2SJanU03449 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 14:36:49 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tempest@bb14.betterbox.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030328125833.00a801d8@accdvm.accd.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030328125833.00a801d8@accdvm.accd.edu> Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 14:36:40 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Kit Subject: [encore] Re: get rid of redundant messages Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-archive-position: 817 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Kit@BlackIrish.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Kit@BlackIrish.net List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- March 28, 2003 I'm leading the gay life! 28 Mawrth 2003 T=E1 m=E9 ag imeacht le haer an tsa= oil! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well, here's my opinion. On Friday, March 28, 2003, Lennie Irvin wrote: > should it be both? > Does it need to be both? or neither? I think it should be both, and in many cases needs to be both. > I guess we are faced with two questions-- > Do we want to keep the remnants of the text-only character of the MOO > that seem unneeded in a graphical MOO? Yes. > How do we evolve EnCore MOO more purely into a graphical MOO? I think we don't want to. I am part of many groups, some of whom are on the Internet and use things such as Yahoo Groups. We came to a point that many groups do that people wanted to have live chat rather than sending many 1-line zingers back and forth on the message board. The question is, what chat program do we use? Yahoo Groups chat is java-based. Not everyone's computers could handle it. AOL or IM is another thing you have to install, as are some other little chat things. IRC is another option. Encore has it both. People with better computers can chat and have added graphics. But people with a bare minimum can use one of the simplest programs on their computer -- a telnet program! I think it's nice to know that wherever you are and whatever level of technology you may or may not have, you can be assured of being able to connect. Which makes me wonder ... can cell phone users telnet? hee. What are the current statistics of the lowest level of technology we can assume most Americans are at? At a Photoshop class a few years ago I think they were saying something like 28k modem and 9" screen or something like that. I can't remember. Thoughts? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kit http://www.BlackIrish.net/Kit/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- B=EDonn an b=E1s ar aghaidh an Death is in front of the old per= son tseanduine agus ar ch=FAl an duine and at the back of the young =F3ig. person. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- What kind of dragon are you? http://www.geocities.com/teo592/quiz/dragon.htm= l ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- March 1 -- Happy St. David's Day March 2 -- Dark Moon March 11 -- First Quarter March 17 -- Happy St. Patrick's Day March 18 -- Full Moon March 24 -- Last Quarter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jeffwhite@uaa.alaska.edu Fri Mar 28 19:47:29 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 28 Mar 2003 19:47:30 -0600 Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from null-pmn.utdallas.edu (null-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A682669B2 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 19:47:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by null-pmn.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A56D1A43AF for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 19:47:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx0.utdallas.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ns0 [127.0.0.1:10024]) (amavisd-new) with LMTP id 01486-01-51 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 19:47:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from itsfw02.uaa.alaska.edu (webmail.uaa.alaska.edu [137.229.138.128]) by mx0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C76EB38A8C for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 19:47:14 -0600 (CST) Received: from sentinel.uaa.alaska.edu by itsfw02.uaa.alaska.edu via smtpd (for ns0.utdallas.edu [129.110.10.1]) with ESMTP; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 16:47:58 -0900 Received: from [137.229.138.2] ([137.229.181.232]) by sentinel.uaa.alaska.edu (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id HCHMBE00.OJW for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 16:47:38 -0900 Received: from isocrates-1.uaa.alaska.edu ([137.229.181.232]) by [137.229.138.2] via smtpd (for sentinel.uaa.alaska.edu [137.229.138.128]) with ESMTP; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 16:47:12 -0900 From: "Jeff White" To: Subject: [encore] Future of enCore/MOO interface (was 'get rid of...') Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 16:46:45 -0900 Organization: University of Alaska Anchorage Message-ID: <002001c2f595$0e3769c0$e8b5e589@Isocrates> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030328125833.00a801d8@accdvm.accd.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal X-archive-position: 818 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: afjcw@uaa.alaska.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: afjcw@uaa.alaska.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Lennie wrote: --I've actually wanted to pursue ways to take advantage of the two sides of the MOO--text and graphical. For instance, when you visit a room or look at an object some text is invoked to scroll on the left. Or I'd like an object that allowed you to view a text or site on the right and would prompt you through a series of questions and answers on the left. Or an integrated web-slide projector that projected simultaneously text on the left and a web page on the right.-- Lennie, I'm with you on this. I've been messing with ways to take a lot of advantage of both sides. Currently, I have a 'portfolio' object which people can create--it has simple "Open"/"share" verbs on it--so students can share 'read-only' versions of texts with classmates, discuss changes, and have an 'edit-view' page in their web-side. It is pretty cool, but I can see developing bots which might step the student--or even the peer group--through a set of questions depending upon the essay assignment, draft, etc. While I like this use, I currently run the portfolio system in a separate database and serve it up with Cold Fusion. I couldn't see an easy way to do it w/in the MOO (probably largely due to my own inability to really "get" database items within the moo programming language). Anyway, this is a long way of getting to the point that it would be great to be able to have the portfolios (and other items, for that matter) be either a part of the MOO or readable by the Bots and other objects in the MOO--I'm wondering if more "back and forth" will be possible in an XML based MOO. It would be nice, I think, to be able to run the MOO to manage content and programming, and then be able to deliver content in multiple formats: Telnet, web-browser, Encore interface, or Flash. I know that many of the 'old school,' long-term MOOers may object, but I think that a Flash based interface is a terrific future to look at--not to the exclusion of other formats. But man...mixed with something like Flash Communications Server--MOOs can become even more rich. Flash could handle many of the things that MOOtcan seems to have trouble with (assigning colors to various chatters, compatibility on various systems--the VM issue, etc). Granted, I'm writing all this as someone who has not spent the appropriate time trying to learn the deeper parts of MOO programming and Java programming. Largely b/c for me...Cold Fusion and Flash have been easier, more *generally* useful, and supported system-wide on my campus. Anyway. jeffwhite@uaa.alaska.edu From roversi@scform.unibo.it Sat Mar 29 11:11:11 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Sat, 29 Mar 2003 11:11:11 -0600 Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from null-pmn.utdallas.edu (null-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83698677D for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 11:11:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by null-pmn.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57EED1A202A for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 11:10:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx0.utdallas.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ns0 [127.0.0.1:10024]) (amavisd-new) with LMTP id 15226-01-39 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 11:10:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailres.fastwebnet.it (unknown [213.140.2.42]) by mx0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71CEC38A89 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 11:10:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from there (37.255.74.77) by mailres.fastwebnet.it (6.5.032) id 3E6CB79800316D9A for encore@utdallas.edu; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 18:10:05 +0100 Message-ID: <3E6CB79800316D9A@alfa.fastwebnet.it> (added by postmaster@fastwebnet.it) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" From: Antonio Roversi To: enCore list Subject: [encore] Bug in Xpress Object Editor ? Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 18:07:31 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-archive-position: 819 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: roversi@scform.unibo.it Precedence: bulk Reply-to: roversi@scform.unibo.it List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore We have updated our enCore Moo to release 3.3.3 http://work.economia.unibo.it.7000 but it seems to be something wrong with Xpress Object Editor. Sometimes - when we try to edit some object - we got the message: Internal Server Error. Line 29. Document.search.search_string is invalid. And it always happens when we try to edit #211. Any help will be appreciated Antonio Roversi From Lirvin@ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU Sun Mar 30 06:29:08 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Sun, 30 Mar 2003 06:29:09 -0600 Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from null-pmn.utdallas.edu (null-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B6195BB0 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 06:29:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by null-pmn.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 295F31A2BE7 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 06:29:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx0.utdallas.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ns0 [127.0.0.1:10024]) (amavisd-new) with LMTP id 22311-01-30 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 06:29:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by mx0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id C4BCA38A88 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 06:29:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from Ir191470.accd.edu [10.1.11.31] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 06:29:00 CST Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030330061242.00a0ba80@accdvm.accd.edu> X-Sender: Lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 06:32:39 -0800 To: From: Lennie Irvin Subject: [encore] Re: Future of enCore/MOO interface In-Reply-To: <002001c2f595$0e3769c0$e8b5e589@Isocrates> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030328125833.00a801d8@accdvm.accd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-archive-position: 820 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Lirvin@accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Lirvin@accd.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Wow! Some interesting things to think about-- I wonder what Dick meant by "local voice generation?" Jeff makes me wonder whether he is talking about converting the ascii data in a MOOdatabase into another kind of database or whether he is talking about "serving up" the MOOdatabase with a different kind of MOOserver--or both. My understanding of what herve has been doing (correct me herve if I'm wrong) is that he is running a parallel database to the MOO database (FUP? PUP?) which takes the moodatabase data and can project it, or serve it up in different ways--the two databases talk to each other I guess. It all sounds very interesting to me but also like a lot of work. For instance, it would be nice to have an automatic registration or sign in function. A student would set up a username, password, email address, and associate with a particular professor and class section. Perhaps the student's "home" would be the instructor's class room or the system would automatically create a room for the student that was linked to the instructor's class room. I think Old Pueblo MOO has some way of taking registration data and bringing it in to the MOO in this way. It seems like in this situation one kind of database would be writing to another kind of database, and I have not idea how hard or feasible this kind of database interaction is. It seems simpler to write it once to one database and then adjust how that database projects its information. I don't fully understand MOO enough or databases enough to know if I am asking MOO to be something it is not. I thought Jeff's description of Flash and its possibilities sounded really interesting. Also, is an XML MOO possible? Lennie At 04:46 PM 3/28/03 -0900, Jeff White wrote: >Lennie wrote: >--I've actually wanted to pursue ways to take advantage of the two sides > >of the MOO--text and graphical. For instance, when you visit a room or >look at an object some text is invoked to scroll on the left. Or I'd >like >an object that allowed you to view a text or site on the right and would >prompt you through a series of questions and answers on the left. Or an >integrated web-slide projector that projected simultaneously text on the > >left and a web page on the right.-- > >Lennie, I'm with you on this. I've been messing with ways to take a lot >of advantage of both sides. Currently, I have a 'portfolio' object which >people can create--it has simple "Open"/"share" verbs on it--so students >can share 'read-only' versions of texts with classmates, discuss >changes, and have an 'edit-view' page in their web-side. It is pretty >cool, but I can see developing bots which might step the student--or >even the peer group--through a set of questions depending upon the essay >assignment, draft, etc. > >While I like this use, I currently run the portfolio system in a >separate database and serve it up with Cold Fusion. I couldn't see an >easy way to do it w/in the MOO (probably largely due to my own inability >to really "get" database items within the moo programming language). > >Anyway, this is a long way of getting to the point that it would be >great to be able to have the portfolios (and other items, for that >matter) be either a part of the MOO or readable by the Bots and other >objects in the MOO--I'm wondering if more "back and forth" will be >possible in an XML based MOO. > >It would be nice, I think, to be able to run the MOO to manage content >and programming, and then be able to deliver content in multiple >formats: Telnet, web-browser, Encore interface, or Flash. I know that >many of the 'old school,' long-term MOOers may object, but I think that >a Flash based interface is a terrific future to look at--not to the >exclusion of other formats. But man...mixed with something like Flash >Communications Server--MOOs can become even more rich. Flash could >handle many of the things that MOOtcan seems to have trouble with >(assigning colors to various chatters, compatibility on various >systems--the VM issue, etc). > >Granted, I'm writing all this as someone who has not spent the >appropriate time trying to learn the deeper parts of MOO programming and >Java programming. Largely b/c for me...Cold Fusion and Flash have been >easier, more *generally* useful, and supported system-wide on my campus. > >Anyway. > >jeffwhite@uaa.alaska.edu From roversi@scform.unibo.it Sun Mar 30 07:00:43 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Sun, 30 Mar 2003 07:00:43 -0600 Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from null-pmn.utdallas.edu (null-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AE985BB0 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 07:00:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by null-pmn.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2C091A31A5 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 07:00:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx0.utdallas.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ns0 [127.0.0.1:10024]) (amavisd-new) with LMTP id 16403-02-87 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 07:00:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailres.fastwebnet.it (unknown [213.140.2.42]) by mx0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E90D238A90 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 07:00:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from there (37.255.74.77) by mailres.fastwebnet.it (6.5.032) id 3E6CB7980032115E for encore@utdallas.edu; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 15:00:40 +0200 Message-ID: <3E6CB7980032115E@alfa.fastwebnet.it> (added by postmaster@fastwebnet.it) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" From: Antonio Roversi To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Bug in Xpress Object Editor ? Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 13:58:06 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=6.1 tagged_above=5.0 required=8.0 tests=MSG_ID_ADDED_BY_MTA, RCVD_IN_MULTIHOP_DSBL, RCVD_IN_UNCONFIRMED_DSBL, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, WEIRD_PORT X-Spam-Level: ****** X-archive-position: 821 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: roversi@scform.unibo.it Precedence: bulk Reply-to: roversi@scform.unibo.it List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore We have updated our enCore Moo to release 3.3.3 http://work.economia.unibo.it:7000 but it seems to be something wrong with Xpress Object Editor. Sometimes - when we try to edit some object - we got the message: Internal Server Error. Line 29. Document.search.search_string is invalid. And it always happens when we try to edit #211. Any help will be appreciated Antonio Roversi From herve@hawaii.edu Sun Mar 30 14:17:46 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Sun, 30 Mar 2003 14:17:46 -0600 Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from null-pmn.utdallas.edu (null-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C0835BB0 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 14:17:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by null-pmn.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C19171A0A68 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 14:17:45 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx0.utdallas.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ns0 [127.0.0.1:10024]) (amavisd-new) with LMTP id 16230-02-47 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 14:17:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from rapidash.its.hawaii.edu (rapidash.its.hawaii.edu [128.171.94.83]) by mx0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDE3538A89 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 14:17:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail.hawaii.edu by mail.hawaii.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.11 (built Jan 28 2003)) id <0HCK00A01W0MLY@mail.hawaii.edu>; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 10:17:42 -1000 (HST) Received: from herve.phys.hawaii.edu (herve.phys.hawaii.edu [128.171.11.114]) by mail.hawaii.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.11 (built Jan 28 2003)) with ESMTPS id <0HCK00AC6WDCFX@mail.hawaii.edu>; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 10:17:36 -1000 (HST) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 10:24:05 -1000 (HST) From: rv Subject: [encore] Re: Future of enCore/MOO interface In-reply-to: <5.2.0.9.0.20030330061242.00a0ba80@accdvm.accd.edu> X-X-Sender: herve@herve.phys.hawaii.edu To: Lennie Irvin Cc: encore@utdallas.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 822 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: herve@hawaii.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: herve@hawaii.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Lennie, > My understanding of what herve has been doing (correct me herve if I'm > wrong) is that he is running a parallel database to the MOO database (FUP? > PUP?) which takes the moodatabase data and can project it, or serve it up > in different ways--the two databases talk to each other I guess. One can install FUP when using Encore - FUP is compiled on the MOO server, so independent on what kind of $httpd is running on the MOO db. > I thought Jeff's description of Flash and its possibilities sounded really > interesting. Also, is an XML MOO possible? Yes, Aldon has been doing lots of interesting developments incorporating XML, between other things, into MOO httpd. http://ahynes1.homeip.net:8000/moo/lae.htm Aloha, - -rv, -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+h1JqgJTKqShLTdgRAnAqAKDcp2ZwU1WgxR9Qe4pr16FGuGMOxACfSGiP cfZZqu/poiSZAJwLmjtUBlg= =Qlbc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From aborgia@videotron.ca Sun Mar 30 14:51:37 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Sun, 30 Mar 2003 14:51:37 -0600 Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from null-pmn.utdallas.edu (null-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0137D6B1C for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 14:51:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by null-pmn.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BACEA1A1F65 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 14:51:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx0.utdallas.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ns0 [127.0.0.1:10024]) (amavisd-new) with LMTP id 16230-02-100 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 14:51:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from VL-MS-MR004.sc1.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B00EB38A8B for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 14:51:32 -0600 (CST) Received: from alex ([24.200.68.72]) by VL-MS-MR004.sc1.videotron.ca (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.10 (built Jan 23 2003)) with SMTP id <0HCK004ZRY0HRK@VL-MS-MR004.sc1.videotron.ca> for encore@utdallas.edu; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 15:53:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 15:51:23 -0500 From: Alexandre Borgia Subject: [encore] Re: Bug in Xpress Object Editor ? To: Encore Message-id: <001201c2f6fe$205431f0$0200a8c0@alex> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3E6CB7980032115E@alfa.fastwebnet.it> X-archive-position: 823 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: aborgia@videotron.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-to: aborgia@videotron.ca List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Greetings, Hmm, is this presented as a javascript error - or do you see a MOO "traceback" within the invalid page? For instance, in Internet Explorer does it pops up in a small dialog box? It sounds to me like a browser-related matter. "Document.search.search_string" is probably an input-box on the page which tries to get focus - and it seems it cannot be instantiated successfully. I would suggest you to investigate about what makes this object (#211) special from others. I may give you two tips from the top of my head: 1) is the content supposed to be displayed *very* large? Interactive webpage components depends on each other to work correctly. When dealing with small pages, the browser usually have time to build and initialize all of them, but if it has to display a lot of things it oftens go "out of synch", if I may use the expression, trying to reach components that have not been initialized yet. 2) your MOO is italian I think - is it possible you use special characters in object, property of verb names? Or in the description, etc.? I never encountered any problem with special characters in name or description and assume enCore deals with them appropriately. But you should definitely only use plain non-accented alphanumerical characters in verb/prop names. Especially, the quote (', ") characters might be problematic if used in places they are not supposed to, since they represent string delimiters in javascript. I hope your problem get fixed! - Alexandre Borgia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Antonio Roversi" To: Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 6:58 AM Subject: [encore] Bug in Xpress Object Editor ? | | We have updated our enCore Moo to release 3.3.3 | | http://work.economia.unibo.it:7000 | | but it seems to be something wrong with Xpress Object Editor. Sometimes - | when we try to edit some object - we got the message: Internal Server Error. | Line 29. Document.search.search_string is invalid. And it always happens when | we try to edit #211. | | Any help will be appreciated | | Antonio Roversi | | From Mark.A.ONeil@Dartmouth.EDU Mon Mar 31 07:19:34 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 31 Mar 2003 07:19:35 -0600 Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from null-pmn.utdallas.edu (null-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43E9A6BBB for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 07:19:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by null-pmn.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E36891A28F8 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 07:19:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx0.utdallas.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ns0 [127.0.0.1:10024]) (amavisd-new) with LMTP id 15613-01-28 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 07:19:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailhub.Dartmouth.EDU (mailhub.Dartmouth.EDU [129.170.16.6]) by mx0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2057C38A97 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 07:19:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from Dartmouth.edu (moneil.Kiewit.Dartmouth.EDU [129.170.90.98]) by mailhub.Dartmouth.EDU (8.9.3+DND/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA03789 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 08:19:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 09:53:10 -0500 Subject: [encore] Re: get rid of redundant messages-2 cents Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: "Mark O'Neil" To: encore@utdallas.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <53803D52-62BF-11D7-B5C1-000A9579F9D2@Dartmouth.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) X-archive-position: 824 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Mark.A.ONeil@Dartmouth.EDU Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Mark.A.ONeil@Dartmouth.EDU List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore The typically colorful text one sees is one of the more interesting things about a MOO - IMO. I don't think the issue here is whether or not to _discard_ descriptive text from the MOO. I see it more along the lines of providing the _option_ of not displaying the text required for a full telnet experience when running the enCore GUI. This could be a Site, area, room, or player property. I think it is nicely suited as a player property thus players who use telnet get the telnet experience and those (if they choose) who use the GUI don't have to be distracted from the task of focus by misc. messages. Though minimally a 'quiet' room would be nice as well. In short - Keep all the text, just selectively display it. IMHO: There are many things one can do to improve the performance and 'look' of that '69 VW, but in the end it is still a '69 VW - not a Prowler. One of the issues involved in advancing any MOO - especially further advancements in the realm of GUI MOOs - is the current LambdaMOO server. Ideally it should get a ground-up redesign and be built to enable ease of incorporating new Plugins (re: mod includes along the lines of apache) and be built so that it is a threaded environment. Given the advancements in processor, IO, DBM, and hard disk performance the possibilities of database enhancements exist as well. What would be the features you would like to see in a redesigned LambdaMOO? Or what features would you like to see in the delivery of MOO content - dream - look to the future - share your thoughts. -m On Friday, March 28, 2003, at 03:20 PM, Richard H.C. Seabrook wrote: > On Fri, 28 Mar 2003, Lennie Irvin wrote: > >> I guess we are faced with two questions-- >> Do we want to keep the remnants of the text-only character of the MOO >> that >> seem unneeded in a graphical MOO? >> >> How do we evolve EnCore MOO more purely into a graphical MOO? >> >> My two cents... >> >> Lennie >> > Perhaps the best reason to retain the text-oriented code (or > at least the capability) is to be ready when local voice > generation becomes a bit more prevalent. Shipping out text is > probably the most efficient way to feed a local "narrator" > for speaking the movements, room features, etc. > Dick S. > > -- > > @-------------------------------------------------------------------) > | Dick Seabrook Computer Science | > | rhs@enterprise.aacc.edu _ Anne Arundel Community College | > | (410)777-2424 //:-) Speed the Net! | > @-------------------------------------------------------------------) > > > > From Kit@BlackIrish.net Mon Mar 31 07:43:59 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 31 Mar 2003 07:44:00 -0600 Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from null-pmn.utdallas.edu (null-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B6646BBB for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 07:43:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by null-pmn.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF6601A208B for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 07:43:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx0.utdallas.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ns0 [127.0.0.1:10024]) (amavisd-new) with LMTP id 18859-01-11 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 07:43:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from bs2-08.fas.harvard.edu (bs2-08.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.34.188]) by mx0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A45E538A88 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 07:43:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (pool-151-203-83-254.bos.east.verizon.net [151.203.83.254]) by bs2-08.fas.harvard.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2VDht332195 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 08:43:55 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tempest@bb14.betterbox.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <53803D52-62BF-11D7-B5C1-000A9579F9D2@Dartmouth.edu> References: <53803D52-62BF-11D7-B5C1-000A9579F9D2@Dartmouth.edu> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 08:40:29 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Kit Subject: [encore] What future features do we want? (was: Re: get rid of redundant messages-2 cents) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-archive-position: 825 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Kit@BlackIrish.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Kit@BlackIrish.net List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- March 31, 2003 I'm leading the gay life! 31 mis Meurth 2003 T=E1 m=E9 ag imeacht le haer an tsa= oil! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sunday, March 30, 2003, "Mark O'Neil" wrote: > What would be the features you would like to see in a redesigned > LambdaMOO? Or what features would you like to see in the delivery of > MOO content - dream - look to the future - share your thoughts. I'd like multilingual capability. If you look at a non-moo system like the skybuilders timelines system (http://www.skybuilders.com), they are already set up for a bunch of languages and you can add new languages at will. There's a big lookup table and all the messages are stored there so all functions and whathaveyou go look there for their messages. It's something I've wanted to add to my MOO, but I'm stuck with either editing everything to remove the hard-coded English (and thus getting out of the update loop) or creating some sort of sub room or player character with those abilities. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kit http://www.BlackIrish.net/Kit/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Glav da greisteiz Rain at noon Ha glav e-pad an deiz. And rain throughout the day. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Spark Personality Test: http://cupid.thespark.com/track.mpl?id=3D21 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- March 1 -- Happy St. David's Day March 2 -- Dark Moon March 11 -- First Quarter March 17 -- Happy St. Patrick's Day March 18 -- Full Moon March 24 -- Last Quarter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From roversi@scform.unibo.it Mon Mar 31 14:39:18 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 31 Mar 2003 14:39:18 -0600 Return-Path: X-Original-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from null-pmn.utdallas.edu (null-pmn.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C60F67F6 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 14:39:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by null-pmn.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1499E1A21AE for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 14:39:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx0.utdallas.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ns0 [127.0.0.1:10024]) (amavisd-new) with LMTP id 19084-01-70 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 14:39:14 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailres.fastwebnet.it (unknown [213.140.2.42]) by mx0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 817E338A8C for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 14:39:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from there (37.255.74.77) by mailres.fastwebnet.it (6.5.032) id 3E6CB7980035748F for encore@utdallas.edu; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 22:39:05 +0200 Message-ID: <3E6CB7980035748F@alfa.fastwebnet.it> (added by postmaster@fastwebnet.it) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" From: Antonio Roversi To: Encore Subject: [encore] Re: Bug in Xpress Object Editor ? Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 22:36:15 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-archive-position: 826 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: roversi@scform.unibo.it Precedence: bulk Reply-to: roversi@scform.unibo.it List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore On Sun, 30 Mar 2003 15:51:23 -0500 Alexandre Borgia wrote: >is this presented as a javascript error - or do you see a MOO >"traceback" within the invalid page? Dear Alexandre, that's the message i get when I edit in Xpress Object Editor the object #211 (Xpress Login) and choose the option "Edit multi media content": Internal Server Error An internal server error was encountered. If this problem persists please notify a MOO administrator. Failed request was: POST /Xpress_Object_Editor/Editor.html HTTP/1.1 Details: Traceback: #158:edit_url, line 10:Property not found ... called from #158:Editor_html, line 79 ... called from #32:get, line 50 (End of traceback) >is it possible you use special characters in object, property of verb names? No. Never used accented alphanumerical characters. Any suggestion ? Thanks in advance Antonio