From lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Fri Nov 1 10:29:32 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 01 Nov 2002 10:29:33 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B98DE5BCD for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:29:32 -0600 (CST) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 1E8DB1A2498 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:29:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from *unknown [10.11.14.204] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 10:27:56 CST X-Warning: ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU: Could not confirm that host [10.11.14.204] is GH208-LIRVIN.accdvm.accd.edu Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021101101856.00acba90@accdvm.accd.edu> X-Sender: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 10:22:54 -0600 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Lennie Irvin Subject: [encore] 1stMonday's@AlaMOO--November 4th session Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" X-archive-position: 651 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore
Your Invited to the Next
1stMondays@AlaMOO
for an online discussion of

Reimagining Class Discussion in the Age of the Internet
by Patrick Sullivan (published in the May 2002 Teaching English in the Two-Year College Journal)
available: http://www.ncte.org/pdfs/subscribers-only/tetyc/0294-may02/TE0294Reimagining.pdf


Excerpt:  With the presence of the Internet in a majority of our schools, with access to an increasing number of computer labs for teaching purposes, and with Internet-related technology and software becoming an increasingly significant part of our students lives, it is time to think creatively about how we might use this new technology in our classrooms to enhance class discussion.  I would like to argue here that a networked classroom environment either to supplement or to replace traditional face-to-face class discussion offers English teachers opportunities that can help make class discussion more engaging, more worthwhile, and significantly more effective as a teaching tool.

Date/Time:
Monday November 4, 2000
2:00-3:00 CST

Where: Online in the AlaMOO Conference Center
Special Guest Participant:  Patrick Sullivan

***see this site for complete help for how to attend an online session (1st time MOOers welcome!)
http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/MOOstuff/AlaMOOconfpacket.htm

1stMondays@AlaMOO is a faculty development project sponsored by the San Antonio College English Department.

I hope to see some of you there next Monday!

Lennie

cross posted to TechRhet list
 From bmcman@optonline.net Fri Nov 1 13:21:12 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 01 Nov 2002 13:21:13 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDEC85BCD for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:21:12 -0600 (CST) Received: from mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.17]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 293DD1A2801 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:21:12 -0600 (CST) Received: from optonline.net (ool-182e9ef6.dyn.optonline.net [24.46.158.246]) by mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 0.9 (built Jul 29 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H4W00K4XWEZKF@mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for encore@utdallas.edu; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 14:21:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 14:21:04 -0500 From: "Barbara F. McManus" Subject: [encore] problem with exits in $webpage (#111) To: encore@utdallas.edu Message-id: <3DC2D420.2020207@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-archive-position: 652 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: bmcman@optonline.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: bmcman@optonline.net List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Here's a programing question from an apprentice wizard: We are in the process of upgrading the database of the VRoma MOO from Biogate to Encore 3.2. Since the VRoma MOO is a virtual recreation of the ancient city of Rome, we have relied heavily on embedded html in many of our rooms. We thought we could make $webpage (#111) the parent of the rooms with embedded html, but we find that #111 has two exit problems: 1) Clicking on an entrance from another room into a room whose parent is #111 updates the web window but doesn't move one into the room; the telnet window doesn't update and typing "look" returns the view of the room one supposedly just left. Only typing the name of the entrance actually moves a character into the room. 2) Although the instructions state that exits will be listed at the bottom of the room whose parent is #111, this does not happen. Objects and characters in the room are listed, but no exits appear under "Links:" Hence the only way to leave the room is to type the exit name. I wonder if the problem lurks in #111:_html, which is not inherited from #3:_html. I've looked at the code for both verbs, but my knowledge is too limited to tell and I don't want to monkey with verbs for generics! However, line 7 of #3:_html says 7: contents = exits = links = {}; while line 6 of #111:_html says 6: contents = exits = {}: Maybe if " = links" is added to line 6 the exits will work? Any help that you can supply will be greatly appreciated! Barbara McManus -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Barbara F. McManus Professor of Classics Emerita, The College of New Rochelle Co-Director, The VRoma Project or http://www.cnr.edu/home/bmcmanus/ http://www.vroma.org/~bmcmanus/ From lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Mon Nov 4 09:34:19 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 04 Nov 2002 09:34:19 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50B855BAD for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:34:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 554981A05B5 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:34:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from *unknown [10.11.14.204] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 09:32:38 CST X-Warning: ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU: Could not confirm that host [10.11.14.204] is GH208-LIRVIN.accdvm.accd.edu Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021104092631.00ac65c8@accdvm.accd.edu> X-Sender: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 09:27:33 -0600 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Lennie Irvin Subject: [encore] 1stMondays@AlaMOO Today 2-3 PM CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" X-archive-position: 653 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Today from 2-3 PM CST there will be an online discussion of "class discussions" in electronic environment (both asynchronous and real-time synchronous) in AlaMOO (accessible http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/index.htm).

We will be discussing the article Reimagining Class Discussion in the Age of the Internet
by Patrick Sullivan (published in the May 2002 Teaching English in the Two-Year College Journal)
available: http://www.ncte.org/pdfs/subscribers-only/tetyc/0294-may02/TE0294Reimagining.pdf
--the author, Patrick Sullivan, will be our special guest participant!

See this site for complete help for how to attend an online session (1st time MOOers welcome!)
http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/MOOstuff/AlaMOOconfpacket.htm

For anyone with access difficulties, please see this help page:
http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/logintrouble.htm

1stMondays@AlaMOO is a faculty development project sponsored by the San Antonio College English Department.

See you in AlaMOO!

Lennie Irvin

L. Lennie Irvin
English Instructor, San Antonio College
1300 San Pedro Ave.
San Antonio, TX 78212
Lirvin@accd.edu
http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/lirvin.htm

AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/index.htm
 From jhaefner@iwu.edu Wed Nov 6 12:43:42 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 06 Nov 2002 12:43:43 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A93775BDB for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:43:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from triton.iwu.edu (triton.iwu.edu [198.178.132.31]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF0561A217F for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:43:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from triton.iwu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by viruswall.iwu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A8DB1324A for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:43:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from sun.iwu.edu (sun.iwu.edu [198.178.132.10]) by triton.iwu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A4C713248 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:43:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from jhaefner.sun.iwu.edu (unknown [10.2.46.50]) by sun.iwu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCF582D04 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:43:26 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021106124236.023430b0@sun.iwu.edu> X-Sender: jhaefner@sun.iwu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 12:45:21 -0600 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Joel Haefner Subject: [encore] firewall issues Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-archive-position: 654 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jhaefner@iwu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jhaefner@iwu.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore I'm having some difficulties persuading my IT staff to let my MOO go public... right now it's residing behind our firewall. Actually, I only want to go public for a short period of time, so I can demo it. They've given me an account on their proxy server, and granted permissions for port 7000, but they're reluctant to open up the telnet port, and of course the enCore MOO (well, any MOO) won't work without it. How do those of you with public MOOs negotiate firewalls? Thanks Joel H. From dilger@nwe.ufl.edu Wed Nov 6 15:19:18 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 06 Nov 2002 15:19:18 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 297F35BAD for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:19:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from clas.ufl.edu (wraith.clas.ufl.edu [128.227.148.245]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D0E01A08CB for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:19:17 -0600 (CST) X-Envelope-From: dilger@nwe.ufl.edu Received: from poe.clas.ufl.edu (poe.clas.ufl.edu [128.227.148.222]) by clas.ufl.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.10.2/clas1.13) with ESMTP id gA6LJ7v25879; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:19:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:19:07 -0500 (EST) From: Bradley Dilger X-X-Sender: dilger@poe.clas.ufl.edu To: Joel Haefner Cc: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Re: firewall issues In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021106124236.023430b0@sun.iwu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 655 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: dilger@nwe.ufl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: dilger@nwe.ufl.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore > I'm having some difficulties persuading my IT staff to let my MOO go > public... [...] > How do those of you with public MOOs negotiate firewalls? Well, it seems like 'negotiate' is the right word here. Add a carload of Emily Posts of politesse to these suggestions: Ask your IT staff what specific problems they fear from MOO. They should be able to articulate specific dangers, public advisories, security risks, etc. Documentation of the problems would be nice. Ask them why some sort of packet filtering or other configuration of the firewall can't deal with these possible dangers. Ask them how decisions about what services to provide are made, and how your request for services fit into that rubric. If they can't back up their "no" (as I suspect), haven't bothered to bother considering a filtering solution, and are just arbitrarily denying your request: suggest to them that perhaps they need to be better educated. Point out that their decision is preventing students and teachers from accessing educational resources from home. Etc... cbd. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Bradley Dilger http://web.nwe.ufl.edu/~dilger/ From cynthiah@utdallas.edu Sat Nov 9 00:15:00 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Sat, 09 Nov 2002 00:15:00 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1023F5BDB for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 00:14:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from [10.0.1.52] (66-169-102-60.ftwrth.tx.charter.com [66.169.102.60]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7B2B1A02CA; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 00:14:59 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 00:19:52 -0600 Subject: [encore] Re: Fwd: evil moo! From: Cynthia Haynes To: , encore Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20021109055653.GA2019@green.humn.arts.ualberta.ca> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 656 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: cynthiah@utdallas.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: cynthiah@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore I've noticed this problem as well. I have found that if you type @quit in the talk window, rather than hit the QUIT button on the Xpress toolbar, it doesn't crash the browser. Weird, but it works. Best, Cynthia __Cynthia Haynes, Director of Rhetoric and Writing___________________ University of Texas at Dallas cynthiah@utdallas.edu School of Arts & Humanities http://www.utdallas.edu/~cynthiah PO Box 830688-JO 31 http://lingua.utdallas.edu:7000 Richardson, TX 75083-0688 (O)972-883-6340 (F)972-883-2989 From jan.holmevik@uib.no Sat Nov 9 07:55:53 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Sat, 09 Nov 2002 07:55:53 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B78C5BDB for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 07:55:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from alf.uib.no (alf.uib.no [129.177.30.3]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F3091A0817 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 07:55:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from 66-169-102-60.ftwrth.tx.charter.com ([10.0.1.51]) [66.169.102.60] by alf.uib.no for encore@utdallas.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18AW5V-0002iF-00; Sat, 09 Nov 2002 14:55:49 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 07:55:47 -0600 Subject: [encore] Re: was evil moo, renamed, evil IE From: Jan Rune Holmevik To: enCore list Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20021109055653.GA2019@green.humn.arts.ualberta.ca> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-checked-clean: by exiscan on alf X-Scanner: 5090be77f46b213eed484f32d01cf62c http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-UiB-SpamFlag: NO UIB: -5 hits, 8.0 required X-UiB-SpamReport: spamassassin found; * -5.0 -- 'In-Reply-To' line found X-archive-position: 657 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jan.holmevik@uib.no Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jan.holmevik@uib.no List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore What you are looking at here is an example of Redmond's superb engineering skills. IE does not like the Javascript window.close() statement but instead of throwing an exception, the whole application crashes. This is Microsoft's problem and there is nothing we can do to remedy the situation except recommend Mozilla as an alternative browser. Cheers, Jan On 11/8/02 11:56 PM, "Wes Cooper" wrote: > Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:12:10 -0700 > Subject: evil moo! > From: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX > To: wcooper@ualberta.ca > > Alberta Moo = EVIL when run on a mac. > > Almost every time I login to the moo and later quits, it kills off > Internet Explorer 5... This posses a problem as I usually have a lot > of other IE Windows open of sites that I am either monitoring, or have > been following from a thread, and can not always recover those sites > easily. There is a large volume of time waisted on trying to recover > it... > > > This is not machine specific: the problem occurs with both IE 5.1 and > 5.2 on Mac OS X 10.1 and OS X 10.2. This has been tested on G4 > PowerBook 500, 667, G4 DP-450, G4-867, and others. > > > Can you see if a newer version of the underpinnings fix this, failing > that submit a bug. > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > __Jan Rune Holmevik, Cand Philol_________________________________________ University of Bergen jan@mac.com Department of Humanistic Informatics jan.holmevik@uib.no Sydnesplass 7, HF-bygget janruneh@utdallas.edu N-5007 Bergen, NORWAY http://lingua.utdallas.edu/jan From jan.holmevik@uib.no Mon Nov 11 14:06:45 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:06:45 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31FDD5BE1 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:06:45 -0600 (CST) Received: from alf.uib.no (alf.uib.no [129.177.30.3]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1E681A1879 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:06:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from 66-169-102-60.ftwrth.tx.charter.com ([10.0.1.51]) [66.169.102.60] by alf.uib.no for encore@utdallas.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18BKpV-0004nC-00; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:06:41 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:06:38 -0600 Subject: [encore] Re: Fwd: evil moo! From: Jan Rune Holmevik To: enCore list Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1653052603.1037016616@hkruse.csm.ohiou.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-checked-clean: by exiscan on alf X-Scanner: 904ec4915f5115f1f53aa52c60ab53d4 http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-UiB-SpamFlag: NO UIB: -5 hits, 8.0 required X-UiB-SpamReport: spamassassin found; * -5.0 -- 'In-Reply-To' line found X-archive-position: 658 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jan.holmevik@uib.no Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jan.holmevik@uib.no List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Unfortunately, this problem also occurs with the latest production release which is IE 5.2. Jan On 11/11/02 11:10 AM, "Hans Kruse" wrote: > If my memory is not failing me, IE 5 on OS-X is beta and may have bugs in > it (I certainly noticed quite a few). I think there is a newer version out. __Jan Rune Holmevik, Cand Philol_________________________________________ University of Bergen jan@mac.com Department of Humanistic Informatics jan.holmevik@uib.no Sydnesplass 7, HF-bygget janruneh@utdallas.edu N-5007 Bergen, NORWAY http://lingua.utdallas.edu/jan From lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Mon Nov 11 15:59:07 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:59:08 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC62C5BF2 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:59:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 5AB131A1959 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:59:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from *unknown [10.11.14.204] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:57:30 CST X-Warning: ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU: Could not confirm that host [10.11.14.204] is GH208-LIRVIN.accdvm.accd.edu Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021111145533.02e250a8@accdvm.accd.edu> X-Sender: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:52:16 -0600 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Lennie Irvin Subject: [encore] EnCore and ADA compliance Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-archive-position: 659 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Has anyone done a study or check to see how compliant EnCore 3.2 is with ADA requirements? I have no idea how this program might work with Jaws (text reading program for blind) or with Dragon (speech recognition program) or with other requirements for disabilities. Thanks. Lennie (who is filling out an institutional survey on distance education...) L. Lennie Irvin English Instructor, San Antonio College 1300 San Pedro Ave. San Antonio, TX 78212 Lirvin@accd.edu http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/lirvin.htm AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/index.htm From kschwien@gemini.tcd.ie Wed Nov 13 10:35:00 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:35:00 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FCAA5BEC for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:35:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from dux1.tcd.ie (dux1.tcd.ie [134.226.1.23]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 950791A2567 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:34:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from lcs090199 (lcs090199.artsl.tcd.ie [134.226.90.199]) by dux1.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8439E6C9 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:34:56 +0000 (GMT) From: "Klaus Schwienhorst" To: encore@utdallas.edu Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:34:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [encore] Re: Dates messy in Pegasus Message-ID: <3DD27F30.6647.1AC711@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <01fb01c14a4f$373d7190$664ae892@jsgbib.sun.ac.za> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-archive-position: 660 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: kschwien@tcd.ie Precedence: bulk Reply-to: kschwien@tcd.ie List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi, one thing that has bugged me for ages is that when I send anything via mail to my Internet email, the dates/times of the messages get messed up in Pegasus Mail (even recent version 4.02). It doesn't happen in my web-based mail program, but I really like Pegasus otherwise, and it throws off the sorting order in my folders. Anybody know of a solution, or even a reason why this happens? It seems that it has to do with different date formats.... Example: MOO messages might have Wed Nov 13 11:59:40 2002 GMT Non-MOO messages might have Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:14:27 +0100 (MET) Any help would be appreciated. Klaus------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Klaus Schwienhorst Language Modules Co-ordinator Centre for Language and Communication Studies Arts Building Trinity College Dublin 2 Ireland Phone: Ireland +1 6083525 Email: kschwien@tcd.ie MOO: Klaus at CLCS Campus (http://kontakt.tcd.ie:7000) Homepage: http://www.tcd.ie/CLCS/assistants/kschwien.html ------------------------------------------------------- From jhaefner@iwu.edu Thu Nov 14 08:53:22 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:53:23 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACC8B5BE5 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:53:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from triton.iwu.edu (triton.iwu.edu [198.178.132.31]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6BAD1A05CC for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:53:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from triton.iwu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by viruswall.iwu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B419132B5 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:53:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from sun.iwu.edu (sun.iwu.edu [198.178.132.10]) by triton.iwu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 068A5131F4 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:53:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from jhaefner.sun.iwu.edu (unknown [10.2.46.50]) by sun.iwu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE1A82C43 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:53:17 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021114085024.0215aec0@sun.iwu.edu> X-Sender: jhaefner@sun.iwu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:52:33 -0600 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Joel Haefner Subject: [encore] another silly question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-archive-position: 661 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jhaefner@iwu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jhaefner@iwu.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore I'm sure again the answer to this is obvious, but how does one load an image map into a room description, such as the LinguaMOO Courtyard? Referencing a web page through the Object Editor just creates a link without displaying the website, of course. Thanks... Joel H. From cynthiah@utdallas.edu Thu Nov 14 09:04:34 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:04:34 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DFB45BE5 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:04:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from [10.0.1.52] (66-169-102-60.ftwrth.tx.charter.com [66.169.102.60]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9F241A0812; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:04:33 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:09:35 -0600 Subject: [encore] Re: another silly question From: Cynthia Haynes To: , encore Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021114085024.0215aec0@sun.iwu.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 662 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: cynthiah@utdallas.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: cynthiah@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Joel, The room needs to be a webpage room object, not the generic room. Then you create your image map in a web editor and paste the source code into the description field of your webpage room. Best, Cynthia __Cynthia Haynes, Director of Rhetoric and Writing___________________ University of Texas at Dallas cynthiah@utdallas.edu School of Arts & Humanities http://www.utdallas.edu/~cynthiah PO Box 830688-JO 31 http://lingua.utdallas.edu:7000 Richardson, TX 75083-0688 (O)972-883-6340 (F)972-883-2989 From jung@uib.no Fri Nov 15 05:23:31 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 15 Nov 2002 05:23:31 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A73405BF5 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 05:23:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from noralf.uib.no (noralf.uib.no [129.177.30.12]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6F1C1A2AEF for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 05:23:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from alfalfa.uib.no [129.177.13.21] by noralf.uib.no with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18CeZL-00065Y-00; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:23:27 +0100 Received: from httpd by alfalfa.uib.no with local (Exim 3.35) id 18CeZL-0001tk-00; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:23:27 +0100 Received: from pc-24-210.hit.uib.no [129.177.24.210] as user fafdj@alf.uib.no by webmail.uib.no with HTTP; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:23:26 +0100 Message-ID: <1037359406.3dd4d92ed6df9@webmail.uib.no> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:23:26 +0100 From: Daniel Jung To: encore Subject: [encore] Fandom of the Opera MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1-cvs X-checked-clean: by exiscan on noralf X-Scanner: dd3498eeb84c0f17293b8baa2f8580e7 http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-UiB-SpamFlag: NO UIB: -6 hits, 8.0 required X-UiB-SpamReport: spamassassin found; * 1.0 -- To: repeats local-part as real name * -7.0 -- Message received from UIB X-archive-position: 663 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jung@uib.no Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jung@uib.no List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi there. (This question might have been posted at a time I wasn't present.) In the newest version, there still is a if ((browser != 'Netscape' || browser != 'Microsoft Internet Explorer') && parseInt(version) < 4) { alert('Nope.'); return false; } Now, we have quite a few users in the homeland of Opera who wishe to use their favorite browser to moo. What work has there been done or is planned to make this possible? (BTW, my Opera doesn't even display the mentioned alert box.) Thx. - Daniel Jung From jan.holmevik@uib.no Fri Nov 15 06:43:27 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 15 Nov 2002 06:43:27 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 398975BF5 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 06:43:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from alf.uib.no (alf.uib.no [129.177.30.3]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8E391A2B5C for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 06:43:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from 66-169-102-60.ftwrth.tx.charter.com ([10.0.1.51]) [66.169.102.60] by alf.uib.no for encore@utdallas.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18Cfof-00034w-00; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:43:21 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 06:43:19 -0600 Subject: [encore] Re: Fandom of the Opera From: Jan Rune Holmevik To: enCore list Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1037359406.3dd4d92ed6df9@webmail.uib.no> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-checked-clean: by exiscan on alf X-Scanner: 9151162331eca0e6fba901e7fdaab1d0 http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-UiB-SpamFlag: NO UIB: -5 hits, 8.0 required X-UiB-SpamReport: spamassassin found; * -5.0 -- 'In-Reply-To' line found X-archive-position: 664 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jan.holmevik@uib.no Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jan.holmevik@uib.no List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore At the time we wrote the first versions of the Xpress interface, Opera did not support Javascript in a meaningful way. Since Opera had not released a Mac version of their browser at the time when I released version 3, I had no way of testing whether they had improved their JS support. Feel free to experiment with Opera support if that's something you want. There is, unfortunately no Opera for OS X so I won't be able to work on adding support for it at this time. Cheers, Jan On 11/15/02 5:23 AM, "Daniel Jung" wrote: > Hi there. > > (This question might have been posted at a time I wasn't present.) > > In the newest version, there still is a > > if ((browser != 'Netscape' || browser != 'Microsoft Internet Explorer') > && parseInt(version) < 4) { alert('Nope.'); return false; } > > Now, we have quite a few users in the homeland of Opera who wishe to use their > favorite browser to moo. What work has there been done or is planned to make > this possible? > > (BTW, my Opera doesn't even display the mentioned alert box.) > > Thx. > - Daniel Jung > > __Jan Rune Holmevik, Cand Philol_________________________________________ University of Bergen jan@mac.com Department of Humanistic Informatics jan.holmevik@uib.no Sydnesplass 7, HF-bygget janruneh@utdallas.edu N-5007 Bergen, NORWAY http://lingua.utdallas.edu/jan From jung@uib.no Fri Nov 15 07:04:50 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:04:51 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6DB75BF5 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:04:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from noralf.uib.no (noralf.uib.no [129.177.30.12]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FFF91A2B5B for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:04:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from alfalfa.uib.no [129.177.13.21] by noralf.uib.no with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18Cg9O-0003iC-00; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:04:46 +0100 Received: from httpd by alfalfa.uib.no with local (Exim 3.35) id 18Cg98-0002nw-00; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:04:30 +0100 Received: from pc-24-210.hit.uib.no [129.177.24.210] as user fafdj@alf.uib.no by webmail.uib.no with HTTP; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:04:30 +0100 Message-ID: <1037365470.3dd4f0de65258@webmail.uib.no> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:04:30 +0100 From: Daniel Jung To: encore Subject: [encore] Fandom of the Opera II MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1-cvs X-checked-clean: by exiscan on noralf X-Scanner: 6cf30078fef8a8cbc42ede307a3a47c6 http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-UiB-SpamFlag: NO UIB: -6 hits, 8.0 required X-UiB-SpamReport: spamassassin found; * 1.0 -- To: repeats local-part as real name * -7.0 -- Message received from UIB X-archive-position: 665 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jung@uib.no Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jung@uib.no List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Just a clarification: Yes, I have read the archives, but I cannot see that Jan or somebody actually ever answered Wes Cooper on this very same question posted Thu, 9 Nov 2000 20:14:19 (the only one who, btw., addressed this in news:opera.general), or, more recently, Lennie Irvin on Wed, 08 May 2002 11:33:06. Or did I miss something here? Is the community even interested? Is there someone fiddeling with this on their own? If yes, what were the encountered problems? Thx. - Daniel From jan.holmevik@uib.no Fri Nov 15 07:21:56 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:21:56 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8000A5BF5 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:21:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from alf.uib.no (alf.uib.no [129.177.30.3]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7631A1A2B65 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:21:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from 66-169-102-60.ftwrth.tx.charter.com ([10.0.1.51]) [66.169.102.60] by alf.uib.no for encore@utdallas.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18CgPu-0001s5-00; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:21:51 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:21:48 -0600 Subject: [encore] Re: Fandom of the Opera II From: Jan Rune Holmevik To: enCore list Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1037365470.3dd4f0de65258@webmail.uib.no> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-checked-clean: by exiscan on alf X-Scanner: eaeafb521c072952076bdc27628c8308 http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-UiB-SpamFlag: NO UIB: -5 hits, 8.0 required X-UiB-SpamReport: spamassassin found; * -5.0 -- 'In-Reply-To' line found X-archive-position: 666 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jan.holmevik@uib.no Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jan.holmevik@uib.no List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore On 11/15/02 7:04 AM, "Daniel Jung" wrote: > > > Just a clarification: Yes, I have read the archives, but I cannot see that Jan > or somebody actually ever answered Wes Cooper on this very same question > posted > Thu, 9 Nov 2000 20:14:19 (the only one who, btw., addressed this in > news:opera.general), or, more recently, Lennie Irvin on Wed, 08 May 2002 > 11:33:06. Or did I miss something here? Although I do try to answer most questions posted here, there are times when other obligations does not permit me to monitor the list as closely as I would like. I am sorry if important questions has gone unanswered because of this. As far as questions asked on other lists or news groups I can only say that I do not have the time or resources to monitor those. > Is the community even interested? > Is there someone fiddeling with this on their own? > If yes, what were the encountered problems? If I remember correctly, my decision not to support Opera at the time was due to two reasons mainly. One, Both Netscape and MS already had free browsers on the market for all platforms including Mac and Linux. Secondly, Opera was, and still is, a commercial offering that is not available on all platforms. If Daniel, or anyone else would like to work on Opera support for Xpress I would certainly welcome that. Feel free to send me your contributions and I will promptly release an updated version of enCore. Cheers, Jan __Jan Rune Holmevik, Cand Philol_________________________________________ University of Bergen jan@mac.com Department of Humanistic Informatics jan.holmevik@uib.no Sydnesplass 7, HF-bygget janruneh@utdallas.edu N-5007 Bergen, NORWAY http://lingua.utdallas.edu/jan From lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Fri Nov 15 09:45:01 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:45:01 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0F685BF1 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:45:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 188F51A2416 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:44:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from *unknown [10.11.14.204] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:44:54 CST X-Warning: ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU: Could not confirm that host [10.11.14.204] is GH208-LIRVIN.accdvm.accd.edu Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021115091430.00a917d0@accdvm.accd.edu> X-Sender: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:38:05 -0600 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Lennie Irvin Subject: [encore] Re: Fandom of the Opera II In-Reply-To: <1037365470.3dd4f0de65258@webmail.uib.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-archive-position: 667 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi Everyone, I have (another) crazy idea to present, so bear with me. First, I want to acknowledge the incredible contribution that Jan has made and continues to make to EnCore. In many ways, he has single-handedly developed this program (and I don't want to diminish the many others who have contributed to encore's development too). But he is only one person, and he is also very busy with his own PhD work. What about this for an idea to help with advancing the program capabilities of EnCore--what if we were to form a non-profit organization to fund programming work? A consortium of sorts. Different educational institutions who use EnCore could become members of the organization. The non-profit organization could not only accept individual contributions (I'd pitch in some money), but it also could accept money from institutions and foundations. The organization would then fund specific programming projects determined by the members of the organization (probably a "board" of sorts with Jan as the head who would decide on where to focus projects). I know I have a lot of programming projects that if I do not personally have the skill to program, nor am I able to get funding support locally to do them (I have tried...). Just as a "for instance" I'll share my programming wish list: --a new player level like Pronoun MOO has for teachers (so teachers can create and delete student accounts without necessarily having full Wizard powers) --I'd love to modify the internal MOO Mail so it worked like a threaded bulletin board and was easy to integrate into a classroom. --Herve and I talked about his work at integrating an external database with MOO. PUP, I think? --I have had an interest in creating a way to create log in links that took a user logging in from a particular web location to a particular location inside the MOO (I'm after a simplified interface for web tutoring) --What about the security problem that was discovered last year in EnCore? (I'm not sure if it was addressed or not?) --I'm also interested in emulating what TappedIn has done with their MOO space as far as eliminating the need to type "say" to speak. I'm sure you all have your list too. Maybe this is crazy, and maybe this goes against the Open Source philosophy and spirit, but I'm thinking practically that this might work. Heck, maybe the best thing about this "consortium" is the we can have a conference... . What do you all think? Lennie At 02:04 PM 11/15/2002 +0100, you wrote: >Just a clarification: Yes, I have read the archives, but I cannot see that >Jan >or somebody actually ever answered Wes Cooper on this very same question >posted >Thu, 9 Nov 2000 20:14:19 (the only one who, btw., addressed this in >news:opera.general), or, more recently, Lennie Irvin on Wed, 08 May 2002 >11:33:06. Or did I miss something here? > >Is the community even interested? >Is there someone fiddeling with this on their own? >If yes, what were the encountered problems? > >Thx. >- Daniel L. Lennie Irvin English Instructor, San Antonio College 1300 San Pedro Ave. San Antonio, TX 78212 Lirvin@accd.edu http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/lirvin.htm AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/index.htm From actipper@mtu.edu Fri Nov 15 13:00:37 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:00:37 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 384BD5BE5 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:00:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailoff.mtu.edu (mailoff.mtu.edu [141.219.70.111]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCB041A01F8 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:00:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from node2. (node2.mtu.edu [141.219.68.102]) by mailoff.mtu.edu (8.12.5/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gAFIxwvA017429; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:59:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from node25 (node25.mtu.edu [141.219.68.125]) by node2. (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAFJ0W603430; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:00:32 -0500 Received: from cslserver.csl.mtu.edu (cslserver.csl.mtu.edu [141.219.153.30]) by mail.mtu.edu (8.11.4/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAFIwrB06748; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:58:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from colossus.csl.mtu.edu (colossus.csl.mtu.edu [141.219.153.31]) by cslserver.csl.mtu.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.9.3/mtumailer-2.0b) with ESMTP id gAFJ0Ms00341; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:00:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (actipper@localhost) by colossus.csl.mtu.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.9.3/mtuclient-2.0b) with ESMTP id gAFJ0Mx14437; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:00:22 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: colossus.csl.mtu.edu: actipper owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:00:22 -0500 (EST) From: "Allen C. Tipper" X-X-Sender: To: Lennie Irvin Cc: Subject: [encore] Re: Fandom of the Opera II In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021115091430.00a917d0@accdvm.accd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 668 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: actipper@mtu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: actipper@mtu.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore There's another moo that did a Teacher account? I wrote one for Northwoods, and would show people what I did if anyone is interested... it allows Teachers to dig anywhere and create/delete accounts... it's kind of a hack, but it works, and I might be able to clean it up some... -Accuracy , NorthWoodsMOO Programmer/Administrator On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Lennie Irvin wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I have (another) crazy idea to present, so bear with me. First, I want to > acknowledge the incredible contribution that Jan has made and continues to > make to EnCore. In many ways, he has single-handedly developed this > program (and I don't want to diminish the many others who have contributed > to encore's development too). But he is only one person, and he is also > very busy with his own PhD work. > > What about this for an idea to help with advancing the program capabilities > of EnCore--what if we were to form a non-profit organization to fund > programming work? A consortium of sorts. Different educational > institutions who use EnCore could become members of the organization. The > non-profit organization could not only accept individual contributions (I'd > pitch in some money), but it also could accept money from institutions and > foundations. > > The organization would then fund specific programming projects determined > by the members of the organization (probably a "board" of sorts with Jan as > the head who would decide on where to focus projects). > > I know I have a lot of programming projects that if I do not personally > have the skill to program, nor am I able to get funding support locally to > do them (I have tried...). Just as a "for instance" I'll share my > programming wish list: > --a new player level like Pronoun MOO has for teachers (so teachers can > create and delete student accounts without necessarily having full Wizard > powers) > --I'd love to modify the internal MOO Mail so it worked like a threaded > bulletin board and was easy to integrate into a classroom. > --Herve and I talked about his work at integrating an external database > with MOO. PUP, I think? > --I have had an interest in creating a way to create log in links that took > a user logging in from a particular web location to a particular location > inside the MOO (I'm after a simplified interface for web tutoring) > --What about the security problem that was discovered last year in EnCore? > (I'm not sure if it was addressed or not?) > --I'm also interested in emulating what TappedIn has done with their MOO > space as far as eliminating the need to type "say" to speak. > > I'm sure you all have your list too. Maybe this is crazy, and maybe this > goes against the Open Source philosophy and spirit, but I'm thinking > practically that this might work. Heck, maybe the best thing about this > "consortium" is the we can have a conference... . > > What do you all think? > > Lennie > > > At 02:04 PM 11/15/2002 +0100, you wrote: > > > >Just a clarification: Yes, I have read the archives, but I cannot see that > >Jan > >or somebody actually ever answered Wes Cooper on this very same question > >posted > >Thu, 9 Nov 2000 20:14:19 (the only one who, btw., addressed this in > >news:opera.general), or, more recently, Lennie Irvin on Wed, 08 May 2002 > >11:33:06. Or did I miss something here? > > > >Is the community even interested? > >Is there someone fiddeling with this on their own? > >If yes, what were the encountered problems? > > > >Thx. > >- Daniel > > L. Lennie Irvin > English Instructor, San Antonio College > 1300 San Pedro Ave. > San Antonio, TX 78212 > Lirvin@accd.edu > http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/lirvin.htm > > AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/index.htm > > From karper@expert.ics.purdue.edu Fri Nov 15 13:21:25 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:21:25 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7004A5BDD for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:21:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from expert.ics.purdue.edu (expert.ics.purdue.edu [128.210.10.11]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B79D11A1200 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:21:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (karper@localhost) by expert.ics.purdue.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19288; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:21:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:21:17 -0500 (EST) From: Erin E Karper To: "Allen C. Tipper" Cc: Lennie Irvin , Subject: [encore] Re: Fandom of the Opera II In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 669 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: karper@expert.ics.purdue.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: karper@expert.ics.purdue.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Allen C. Tipper wrote: > There's another moo that did a Teacher account? I wrote one for > Northwoods, and would show people what I did if anyone is interested... it > allows Teachers to dig anywhere and create/delete accounts... it's kind of > a hack, but it works, and I might be able to clean it up some... PronounMOO at Purdue University (which I admin on) wrote a teacher account, but we don't let teachers dig anywhere. Maybe we'd want to combine code and write a unified teacher player class? erin From herve@hawaii.edu Fri Nov 15 13:22:17 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:22:17 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 336745BDD for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:22:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from rapidash.its.hawaii.edu (rapidash.its.hawaii.edu [128.171.94.83]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 585FF1A1220 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:22:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail.hawaii.edu by mail.hawaii.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.4 (built Aug 5 2002)) id <0H5M00C01SWZI5@mail.hawaii.edu>; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:22:12 -1000 (HST) Received: from herve.phys.hawaii.edu (herve.phys.hawaii.edu [128.171.11.114]) by mail.hawaii.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.4 (built Aug 5 2002)) with ESMTPS id <0H5M00MC0TRLZM@mail.hawaii.edu>; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:21:21 -1000 (HST) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:22:25 -1000 (HST) From: rv Subject: [encore] Re: Fandom of the Opera II In-reply-to: X-X-Sender: herve@herve.phys.hawaii.edu To: encore@utdallas.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 670 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: herve@hawaii.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: herve@hawaii.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore > There's another moo that did a Teacher account? We did here. So that they can create their own students, and are able to change their passwd and email address. This class of players also have the abilitity to post the log of their class directly on the web with a simple click, so that students can go back to it when needed. As Lennie was mentioning it, this part is using FUP (not PUP! and neither BURP nor SLURP ehehe sorry, just playing :), so that the amount of logs is not stored in the db once converted to html, but directly on the shell in a standard html document. Aloha, -rv, > I wrote one for > Northwoods, and would show people what I did if anyone is interested... it > allows Teachers to dig anywhere and create/delete accounts... it's kind of > a hack, but it works, and I might be able to clean it up some... > -Accuracy , NorthWoodsMOO Programmer/Administrator > > On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Lennie Irvin wrote: > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > I have (another) crazy idea to present, so bear with me. First, I want to > > acknowledge the incredible contribution that Jan has made and continues to > > make to EnCore. In many ways, he has single-handedly developed this > > program (and I don't want to diminish the many others who have contributed > > to encore's development too). But he is only one person, and he is also > > very busy with his own PhD work. > > > > What about this for an idea to help with advancing the program capabilities > > of EnCore--what if we were to form a non-profit organization to fund > > programming work? A consortium of sorts. Different educational > > institutions who use EnCore could become members of the organization. The > > non-profit organization could not only accept individual contributions (I'd > > pitch in some money), but it also could accept money from institutions and > > foundations. > > > > The organization would then fund specific programming projects determined > > by the members of the organization (probably a "board" of sorts with Jan as > > the head who would decide on where to focus projects). > > > > I know I have a lot of programming projects that if I do not personally > > have the skill to program, nor am I able to get funding support locally to > > do them (I have tried...). Just as a "for instance" I'll share my > > programming wish list: > > --a new player level like Pronoun MOO has for teachers (so teachers can > > create and delete student accounts without necessarily having full Wizard > > powers) > > --I'd love to modify the internal MOO Mail so it worked like a threaded > > bulletin board and was easy to integrate into a classroom. > > --Herve and I talked about his work at integrating an external database > > with MOO. PUP, I think? > > --I have had an interest in creating a way to create log in links that took > > a user logging in from a particular web location to a particular location > > inside the MOO (I'm after a simplified interface for web tutoring) > > --What about the security problem that was discovered last year in EnCore? > > (I'm not sure if it was addressed or not?) > > --I'm also interested in emulating what TappedIn has done with their MOO > > space as far as eliminating the need to type "say" to speak. > > > > I'm sure you all have your list too. Maybe this is crazy, and maybe this > > goes against the Open Source philosophy and spirit, but I'm thinking > > practically that this might work. Heck, maybe the best thing about this > > "consortium" is the we can have a conference... . > > > > What do you all think? > > > > Lennie > > > > > > At 02:04 PM 11/15/2002 +0100, you wrote: > > > > > > >Just a clarification: Yes, I have read the archives, but I cannot see that > > >Jan > > >or somebody actually ever answered Wes Cooper on this very same question > > >posted > > >Thu, 9 Nov 2000 20:14:19 (the only one who, btw., addressed this in > > >news:opera.general), or, more recently, Lennie Irvin on Wed, 08 May 2002 > > >11:33:06. Or did I miss something here? > > > > > >Is the community even interested? > > >Is there someone fiddeling with this on their own? > > >If yes, what were the encountered problems? > > > > > >Thx. > > >- Daniel > > > > L. Lennie Irvin > > English Instructor, San Antonio College > > 1300 San Pedro Ave. > > San Antonio, TX 78212 > > Lirvin@accd.edu > > http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/lirvin.htm > > > > AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/index.htm > > > > > > > > From actipper@mtu.edu Fri Nov 15 13:27:21 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:27:22 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF39E5BF2 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:27:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailoff.mtu.edu (mailoff.mtu.edu [141.219.70.111]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D52A1A0CF0 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:27:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from node2. (node2.mtu.edu [141.219.68.102]) by mailoff.mtu.edu (8.12.5/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gAFJQivA018844 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:26:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from node25 (node25.mtu.edu [141.219.68.125]) by node2. (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAFJRI604390 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:27:18 -0500 Received: from cslserver.csl.mtu.edu (cslserver.csl.mtu.edu [141.219.153.30]) by mail.mtu.edu (8.11.4/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAFJPdB16763 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:25:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from colossus.csl.mtu.edu (colossus.csl.mtu.edu [141.219.153.31]) by cslserver.csl.mtu.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.9.3/mtumailer-2.0b) with ESMTP id gAFJR7s02425 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:27:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (actipper@localhost) by colossus.csl.mtu.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.9.3/mtuclient-2.0b) with ESMTP id gAFJR7414768 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:27:07 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: colossus.csl.mtu.edu: actipper owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:27:07 -0500 (EST) From: "Allen C. Tipper" X-X-Sender: To: Subject: [encore] Re: Fandom of the Opera II In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 671 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: actipper@mtu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: actipper@mtu.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Perhaps we should write a unified class, as it seems a common idea... the digging anywhere isn't really integral to the unified class, I'd think... it was just useful in my environment. Your code base is probably nicer looking, but I might have some useful tricks for you if you wanted help with a unified class... -Accuracy , NorthWoodsMOO Programmer/Administrator On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Erin E Karper wrote: > On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Allen C. Tipper wrote: > > > There's another moo that did a Teacher account? I wrote one for > > Northwoods, and would show people what I did if anyone is interested... it > > allows Teachers to dig anywhere and create/delete accounts... it's kind of > > a hack, but it works, and I might be able to clean it up some... > > PronounMOO at Purdue University (which I admin on) wrote a teacher > account, but we don't let teachers dig anywhere. Maybe we'd want to > combine code and write a unified teacher player class? > > erin > > From karper@expert.ics.purdue.edu Fri Nov 15 13:44:03 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:44:03 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E00555BDD for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:44:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from expert.ics.purdue.edu (expert.ics.purdue.edu [128.210.10.11]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4B3D1A0C24 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:44:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (karper@localhost) by expert.ics.purdue.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA22908; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:43:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:43:58 -0500 (EST) From: Erin E Karper Cc: Allan Crain , Subject: [encore] Re: Fandom of the Opera II In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 672 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: karper@expert.ics.purdue.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: karper@expert.ics.purdue.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Allen C. Tipper wrote: > Perhaps we should write a unified class, as it seems a common idea... the > digging anywhere isn't really integral to the unified class, I'd think... > it was just useful in my environment. Your code base is probably nicer > looking, but I might have some useful tricks for you if you wanted help > with a unified class... It seems like a lot of people have written this kind of class. Do we want to all list the features that ours have, and then try and get the coders together (I didn't write the teacher class; I just wrangle the teachers) to produce some kind of module? I'll start. Our teacher player class: * Gives teachers access to the create accounts administration module -- teachers can create single or multiple accounts, and update account information (but can't change passwords or user information). Teachers can only create student accounts that are builders or players. * Student accounts that teachers create are saved in a property called .students on the teacher. When it comes time for account cleanup, teachers can do @reap-students, which will reap all students in their property, or wizards can do @reap-students #teacherobjnum to get rid of all students that a teacher has. @reap-students @toads and @recycles a student, @recycles their objects. * Teachers (and wizards) have a verb called @sethomes on them. The @sethomes verb allows teachers to set the homes of students to specific rooms. This means that they can assign students to be in specific places when they login. They can run the @sethomes verb as many times as they want, so if they want to assign students to connect in new places, that's very do-able. * All this stuff has been documented (although the code hasn't been commented) and has been used with minimal problems so far. There's a bug in leting kids of $teacher update their own information through the GUI that we're currently working to fix. I'm cc:ing our programmer on this so he can add any comments or things that I might be missing. Erin From kingbx@uncg.edu Mon Nov 18 07:51:57 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 18 Nov 2002 07:51:58 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF6595BAD for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 07:51:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from internal-gw.uncg.edu (internal-gw.uncg.edu [152.13.2.73]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 646851A2174 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 07:51:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from uncg.edu (raking.uncg.edu [152.13.154.21]) by internal-gw.uncg.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id gAIDprIt028518 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:51:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3DD8F0B1.5050607@uncg.edu> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:52:49 -0500 From: Bob King User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Green Hat MOO? References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021115091430.00a917d0@accdvm.accd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 673 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: kingbx@uncg.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: kingbx@uncg.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi all, I am intrigued by Lennie's question as to whether or not it might be a good idea to organize MOO development by creating a not-for-profit or other similar entity. In addition to this organization aggregating programming resources, it could also offer online courses in MOO programming and management. As a relative newcomer to MOO, I've found the enCore listserv to be helpful yet hit-and-miss as an organizational entity/principle. I'd welcome and support a more robust type of organization. Perhaps others have replied to Lennie off list, but I'd be curious if others have thoughts on this they would like to share... Bob Lennie Irvin wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I have (another) crazy idea to present, so bear with me. First, I > want to acknowledge the incredible contribution that Jan has made and > continues to make to EnCore. In many ways, he has single-handedly > developed this program (and I don't want to diminish the many others > who have contributed to encore's development too). But he is only one > person, and he is also very busy with his own PhD work. > > What about this for an idea to help with advancing the program > capabilities of EnCore--what if we were to form a non-profit > organization to fund programming work? A consortium of sorts. > Different educational institutions who use EnCore could become members > of the organization. The non-profit organization could not only > accept individual contributions (I'd pitch in some money), but it also > could accept money from institutions and foundations. > > The organization would then fund specific programming projects > determined by the members of the organization (probably a "board" of > sorts with Jan as the head who would decide on where to focus projects). > > I know I have a lot of programming projects that if I do not > personally have the skill to program, nor am I able to get funding > support locally to do them (I have tried...). Just as a "for > instance" I'll share my programming wish list: > --a new player level like Pronoun MOO has for teachers (so teachers > can create and delete student accounts without necessarily having full > Wizard powers) > --I'd love to modify the internal MOO Mail so it worked like a > threaded bulletin board and was easy to integrate into a classroom. > --Herve and I talked about his work at integrating an external > database with MOO. PUP, I think? > --I have had an interest in creating a way to create log in links that > took a user logging in from a particular web location to a particular > location inside the MOO (I'm after a simplified interface for web > tutoring) > --What about the security problem that was discovered last year in > EnCore? (I'm not sure if it was addressed or not?) > --I'm also interested in emulating what TappedIn has done with their > MOO space as far as eliminating the need to type "say" to speak. > > I'm sure you all have your list too. Maybe this is crazy, and maybe > this goes against the Open Source philosophy and spirit, but I'm > thinking practically that this might work. Heck, maybe the best thing > about this "consortium" is the we can have a conference... . > > What do you all think? > > Lennie > > > At 02:04 PM 11/15/2002 +0100, you wrote: > > >> Just a clarification: Yes, I have read the archives, but I cannot see >> that Jan >> or somebody actually ever answered Wes Cooper on this very same >> question posted >> Thu, 9 Nov 2000 20:14:19 (the only one who, btw., addressed this in >> news:opera.general), or, more recently, Lennie Irvin on Wed, 08 May 2002 >> 11:33:06. Or did I miss something here? >> >> Is the community even interested? >> Is there someone fiddeling with this on their own? >> If yes, what were the encountered problems? >> >> Thx. >> - Daniel > > > L. Lennie Irvin > English Instructor, San Antonio College > 1300 San Pedro Ave. > San Antonio, TX 78212 > Lirvin@accd.edu > http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/lirvin.htm > > AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/index.htm > > -- ____________________________ Bob King eLearning Consultant & Curriculum and Instruction Faculty University of North Carolina at Greensboro email: bob_king@uncg.edu website: http://www.uncg.edu/cui/itc/elearning/index.htm phone: (336) 256-0415 Office: 338 Curry Building From jeank@u.arizona.edu Mon Nov 18 08:39:40 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:39:40 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75EA75BAD for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:39:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2972E1A08C5 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:39:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from jeank (128.196.59.143) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DD8E0FB00002695 for encore@utdallas.edu; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 07:39:39 -0700 Message-ID: <00c701c28f10$99317840$8f3bc480@faccenter.arizona.edu> From: "Jean Kreis" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021115091430.00a917d0@accdvm.accd.edu> Subject: [encore] Re: Fandom of the Opera II Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 07:41:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-archive-position: 674 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jeank@u.arizona.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jeank@u.arizona.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore > There's another moo that did a Teacher account? At OldPuebloMOO, we created a Teacher Class for enCore Version 2. It gave teachers the ability to increase quota and to 'own' their students' works for research purposes. We did not rewrite the code to meet the Version 3 needs. Instead, we created a middleware program that permits faculty and graduate students to create a Classroom Complex with one 'submit' button. The Classroom Complex includes: instructor's office, classroom, 4 breakout rooms, a student-sleeping-porch, a communications-panel situated in the instructor office that has mic/rec coms dropped in the main classroomand all four breakout rooms. Each room also has a noteboard installed. The middleware program that we created automatically reads the roster from the registrar's database and creates a builder character for each student, setting their home to the sleeping porch of the instructor. If the student has a previous MOO character, that character is given access to the MOO via the course pathway. All automatically uploaded students access the MOO via the university Student Link with their Student ID/PIN number OR can access the MOO like the instructors, via a gateway that uses their UA NetID (email/password). Our primary programmer had the nerve to graduate and move (go Annie!). However, we could get ahold of her and our current programmer would be happy to participate in a project to unify some teacher class - or other programming projects. best wishes, Jean alias jeanaroo, OPM Wizard Jean Kreis, M.Ed., M.A. University of Arizona Web-Based Instructional Support CCIT 337 jeank@u.arizona.edu http://oldpueblomoo.arizona.edu From lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Mon Nov 18 12:26:42 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:26:42 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 879605BF1 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:26:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 25EE91A1714 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:26:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from *unknown [10.11.14.204] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:26:17 CST X-Warning: ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU: Could not confirm that host [10.11.14.204] is GH208-LIRVIN.accdvm.accd.edu Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021118121616.00adc128@accdvm.accd.edu> X-Sender: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:19:24 -0600 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Lennie Irvin Subject: [encore] Re: Fandom of the Opera II In-Reply-To: <00c701c28f10$99317840$8f3bc480@faccenter.arizona.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021115091430.00a917d0@accdvm.accd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-archive-position: 675 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Wow Jean! What you describe sounds like a dream! I'd be very interested in hearing more about the middleware program you set up and how it gets the moo database to interact with an external database (it sounds like Herve's FUP program). Lennie At 07:41 AM 11/18/2002 -0700, you wrote: > > There's another moo that did a Teacher account? > >At OldPuebloMOO, we created a Teacher Class for enCore Version 2. It gave >teachers the ability to increase quota and to 'own' their students' works >for research purposes. We did not rewrite the code to meet the Version 3 >needs. Instead, we created a middleware program that permits faculty and >graduate students to create a Classroom Complex with one 'submit' button. >The Classroom Complex includes: instructor's office, classroom, 4 breakout >rooms, a student-sleeping-porch, a communications-panel situated in the >instructor office that has mic/rec coms dropped in the main classroomand all >four breakout rooms. Each room also has a noteboard installed. The >middleware program that we created automatically reads the roster from the >registrar's database and creates a builder character for each student, >setting their home to the sleeping porch of the instructor. If the student >has a previous MOO character, that character is given access to the MOO via >the course pathway. All automatically uploaded students access the MOO via >the university Student Link with their Student ID/PIN number OR can access >the MOO like the instructors, via a gateway that uses their UA NetID >(email/password). > >Our primary programmer had the nerve to graduate and move (go Annie!). >However, we could get ahold of her and our current programmer would be happy >to participate in a project to unify some teacher class - or other >programming projects. > >best wishes, >Jean > >alias jeanaroo, OPM Wizard > >Jean Kreis, M.Ed., M.A. >University of Arizona >Web-Based Instructional Support >CCIT 337 >jeank@u.arizona.edu >http://oldpueblomoo.arizona.edu L. Lennie Irvin English Instructor, San Antonio College 1300 San Pedro Ave. San Antonio, TX 78212 Lirvin@accd.edu http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/lirvin.htm AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/index.htm From jhaefner@iwu.edu Mon Nov 18 15:19:47 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:19:47 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ED015C0C for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:19:47 -0600 (CST) Received: from triton.iwu.edu (triton.iwu.edu [198.178.132.31]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7831D1A1E94 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:19:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from triton.iwu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by viruswall.iwu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CFB513241 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:19:39 -0600 (CST) Received: from sun.iwu.edu (sun.iwu.edu [198.178.132.10]) by triton.iwu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8CBF13246 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:19:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from jhaefner.sun.iwu.edu (unknown [10.2.46.50]) by sun.iwu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 087222D00 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:17:37 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021118151256.02465040@sun.iwu.edu> X-Sender: jhaefner@sun.iwu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:19:08 -0600 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Joel Haefner Subject: [encore] Re: Fandom of the Opera II Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-archive-position: 676 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jhaefner@iwu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jhaefner@iwu.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore If I may throw in my 2 cents, Jean's middleware program sounds absolutely wonderful, and kudos to your programmer. I was about to write, but deleted, thoughts about how something like that could be bundled with some campus portal packages like Pipeline (which we use here), and hence really make MOOs easy for teachers to use, but I thought better of that. The whole spirit of the MOO project is non-commercial, open source, so we don't want to lock it down inside proprietary systems. If the programmer of Jean's middleware program were willing to share the code, those of us who have generated campus-wide interest in the pedagogical use of MOOs might be able to use it as a template to tie in to our local DBs. (I myself am just starting to introduce the MOO to other instructors, so it would be a long while for me.) This says nothing about the political issues (privacy, commitment of resources to the project, etc.) that would have to be addressed before one could get it all together..... Joel Haefner From KEustace@csu.edu.au Tue Nov 19 00:20:36 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:20:36 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FA095BDE for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:20:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from csunw.riv.csu.edu.au (csunw.riv.csu.edu.au [137.166.76.1]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB89A1A0B45 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:20:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from XCWW01.CSUMain.csu.edu.au (xcww01.riv.csu.edu.au [137.166.216.22]) by csunw.riv.csu.edu.au (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJ6FITq013106 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:15:19 +1100 (EST) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Subject: [encore] Re: Green Hat MOO? 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From: "Jon Lester" To: Subject: [encore] enCore vs. Flash vs. Object Interaction Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:43:17 -0500 Message-ID: <000701c28fea$c3fafbc0$8000000a@ariadne> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal X-archive-position: 678 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jlester@structureinteractive.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jlester@structureinteractive.com List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Greetings! I've been an enCore user for quite a few years now and while I prefer the CLI, I've been asked to investigate the possibility of expanding the Web UI's ability to interact with the MOO. For example, we're using Flash to display a clickable-navigational map (student clicks on area of map and they are moved to that location). This is just using the same code for exits in the Web UI. I've been asked to research the possibility of being able to potentially access/call any verb on any object in the MOO through the Web UI. At one time I thought there was a way to do this, but I may be experiencing some confusion with DU's eDUcore. From what I've read on this list, the object verbs which can be called (exits, look) are hard-coded into the Java. True? If no, is there an existing way to reference verbs on objects in the MOO through the Web UI? If there's not, hypothetically speaking, what would be involved in gaining that functionality? Now I know the arguments surrounding whether the Web UI should be expanded to the diminishing of the CLI. Unfortunately, the people contracting me will be far more interested in a pragmatic discussion about what can/can not be accomplished than a philosophical one regarding their neglect of the MOO ethos. Jon Lester structure:interactive 616.364.7423 =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= May happiness come for all, provided that by this wish, I be excluded from it. -Maurice Blanchot From anilxy@yahoo.com Tue Nov 19 17:23:42 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:23:43 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE5555BFC for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:23:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from web9607.mail.yahoo.com (web9607.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.186]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 1A44B1A2151 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:23:42 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <20021119232341.58630.qmail@web9607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.2.72.198] by web9607.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 23:23:41 GMT Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 23:23:41 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Anil=20Thyagarajan?= Subject: [encore] enCore XPress - Login Failure To: encore@utdallas.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-archive-position: 679 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: anilxy@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: anilxy@yahoo.com List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore All, I'm a pretty new user of encore and MOO. I installed encore and i'm trying to log in using XPress(port 7000), there is no connection established. One of the frames contains the error - Starting enCore Xpress from server: Please Wait... If you are reconnecting and this window is not updated, click on the look button in the Xpress toolbar, or type look in the talk window to update it. ===== Any idea what the reason might be ? I tried it using different browsers and its the same result. Thanks Anil __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From jan.holmevik@uib.no Tue Nov 19 17:32:54 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:32:55 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C39DE5BFC for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:32:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from alf.uib.no (alf.uib.no [129.177.30.3]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15C421A225A for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:32:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from 66-169-102-60.ftwrth.tx.charter.com ([10.0.1.51]) [66.169.102.60] by alf.uib.no with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18EHrO-0000dm-00; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 00:32:51 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:32:46 -0600 Subject: [encore] Re: enCore XPress - Login Failure From: Jan Rune Holmevik To: , enCore list Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20021119232341.58630.qmail@web9607.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-checked-clean: by exiscan on alf X-Scanner: 0b4efda7a765909e95d7bb20513fec1a http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-UiB-SpamFlag: NO UIB: -5 hits, 8.0 required X-UiB-SpamReport: spamassassin found; * -5.0 -- 'In-Reply-To' line found X-archive-position: 680 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jan.holmevik@uib.no Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jan.holmevik@uib.no List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore This sounds like a good old firewall issue again. Check with your system administrators to make sure that you can communicate with the outside world on ports 7000 and 7777 (which are the default enCore ports) If opening those ports does not solve your problem contact me again and I'll have another look. Note to self: Must remember to update the FAQ ;) Cheers, Jan On 11/19/02 5:23 PM, "Anil Thyagarajan" wrote: > All, > I'm a pretty new user of encore and MOO. I installed > encore and i'm trying to log in using XPress(port > 7000), there is no connection established. One of the > frames contains the error - > > Starting enCore Xpress from server: > Please Wait... > > If you are reconnecting and this window is not > updated, click on the > look > button in the Xpress toolbar, or type > look in the talk window to update it. > ===== > > Any idea what the reason might be ? I tried it using > different browsers and its the same result. > > Thanks > Anil > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > > __Jan Rune Holmevik, Cand Philol_________________________________________ University of Bergen jan@mac.com Department of Humanistic Informatics jan.holmevik@uib.no Sydnesplass 7, HF-bygget janruneh@utdallas.edu N-5007 Bergen, NORWAY http://lingua.utdallas.edu/jan From aborgia@videotron.ca Thu Nov 21 13:43:06 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:43:06 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E6385BDD for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:43:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from VL-MS-MR004.sc1.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 478AA1A1998 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:43:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from alex ([24.200.69.169]) by VL-MS-MR004.sc1.videotron.ca (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 0.9 (built Jul 29 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H5X006AMYTCXY@VL-MS-MR004.sc1.videotron.ca> for encore@utdallas.edu; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:44:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:42:59 -0500 From: Alexandre Borgia Subject: [encore] Re: enCore vs. Flash vs. Object Interaction In-reply-to: <000701c28fea$c3fafbc0$8000000a@ariadne> To: encore@utdallas.edu Message-id: <200211211442.59707.aborgia@videotron.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <000701c28fea$c3fafbc0$8000000a@ariadne> X-archive-position: 681 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: aborgia@videotron.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-to: aborgia@videotron.ca List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi Jon, > I've been asked to research the possibility of being > able to potentially access/call any verb on any object in the MOO through > the Web UI. The most straightforward way to call a verb from the Web Interface is to request an URL from the MOO Server. http://://.html?=&=& This is in fact what is done when calling an exit, or any menu button for instance. must have a callable verb named "_html" which is eXecutable. can also be a corrified string (ie: "thing", which refers to $thing - #5). If you provide no at all, it will call the default "_html" verb on the object. I also think you may ommit ".html" so it looks for a plain "" verb without the "_html" extension ... These things comes from the tip of my head, I don't have time to verify all the syntax but it should give you somewhere to start investigating:) If I remember well, the called verb receives the following arguments: {, {{, }, {etc}} } Where is the player who called the verb from the web. What the verb returns will be sent back to the browser as a standard web page. It is usually meant to be displayed by the browser, but could quite easily be used for other means, as to send back informations to the applet. This simple interaction system should work well in most cases, though if your application really doesn't deal with "web pages", or player/action-related commands, it may be less trouble to code your own communication protocole using raw $network connections. Hope this help! - Alexandre Borgia From jan.holmevik@uib.no Fri Nov 22 10:05:09 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:05:09 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E36C5BE2 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:05:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from alf.uib.no (alf.uib.no [129.177.30.3]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B08591A1E45 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:05:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from 66-169-102-60.ftwrth.tx.charter.com ([10.0.1.51]) [66.169.102.60] by alf.uib.no for encore@utdallas.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18FGIj-0005ny-00; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 17:05:05 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:05:02 -0600 Subject: [encore] Re: Greek MOO? From: Jan Rune Holmevik To: enCore list Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021122154552.00a5b470@popw.c2i.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-checked-clean: by exiscan on alf X-Scanner: 7ecf10d9b7cea44d481279f394b64435 http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-UiB-SpamFlag: NO UIB: -5 hits, 8.0 required X-UiB-SpamReport: spamassassin found; * -5.0 -- 'In-Reply-To' line found X-archive-position: 682 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jan.holmevik@uib.no Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jan.holmevik@uib.no List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Never heard of one. Would be interesting to know if such a thing exists, though, and if so how they may have implemented support for the Greek alphabet. Cheers, Jan On 11/22/02 8:47 AM, "Rhonna J. Robbins-Sponaas" wrote: > Hello, folks. I've searched everything I can think of and am coming up > blank. Anyone know of any MOOs in Greece--enCore or otherwise? > Rhonna > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release Date: 11/13/02 > __Jan Rune Holmevik, Cand Philol_________________________________________ University of Bergen jan@mac.com Department of Humanistic Informatics jan.holmevik@uib.no Sydnesplass 7, HF-bygget janruneh@utdallas.edu N-5007 Bergen, NORWAY http://lingua.utdallas.edu/jan From jason.nolan@utoronto.ca Fri Nov 22 10:57:58 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:57:58 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBA5C5BDC for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:57:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts8.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.52]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5DD21A2D30 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:57:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from [10.0.1.2] ([64.229.135.146]) by tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20021122165751.ZJPD24515.tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@[10.0.1.2]> for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:57:51 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jason.nolan@mailbox91.utcc.utoronto.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021122154552.00a5b470@popw.c2i.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021122154552.00a5b470@popw.c2i.net> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:57:42 -0500 To: Encore Mailing List From: JASON NOLAN Subject: [encore] Re: Greek MOO? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-archive-position: 683 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jason.nolan@utoronto.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jason.nolan@utoronto.ca List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Why not check with Jim Cummins (mailto:jcummins@oise.utoronto.ca) he does lots of work with education and technology in Greece. Tell him I said hi. J -- ------ Jason Nolan, PhD Scholar in Residence Knowledge Media Design Institute Room7224 Bahen Centre for Information Technology 40 St. George St. University of Toronto Toronto, ON M5S 2E4 Canada --- mailto:jason.nolan@utoronto.ca phone:416-946-8513 http://achieve.utoronto.ca/jason/ *** Note New Address ***