From egoff@mindspring.com Tue Oct 1 13:57:13 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 01 Oct 2002 13:57:15 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18870288D3 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:57:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E8371A0DFF for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:49:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from user-uivenrg.dsl.mindspring.com ([165.247.95.112] helo=master) by blount.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17wS4v-00008a-00; Tue, 01 Oct 2002 14:49:06 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021001145023.00db0d98@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: egoff@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 14:50:23 -0400 To: claudijo.borovic@mmedu.net, encore@utdallas.edu From: Edward Goff Subject: [encore] Re: verb editor In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-archive-position: 608 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: egoff@mindspring.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: egoff@mindspring.com List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore At this point my first suggestion would be to have someone try and "edit" one of these verbs thru a normal text based telnet login. Also do A @show obj#:Verb and see .. MAYBE a space creeped in somehow. From lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Thu Oct 3 09:23:39 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 03 Oct 2002 09:23:40 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECBBB2875F for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 09:23:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id E87B91A19A9 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 09:15:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from *unknown [10.11.14.204] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Thu, 03 Oct 2002 09:15:57 CDT X-Warning: ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU: Could not confirm that host [10.11.14.204] is GH208-LIRVIN.accdvm.accd.edu Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021003090608.00ac0a58@accdvm.accd.edu> X-Sender: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 09:09:39 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Lennie Irvin Subject: [encore] Permission denied. Your Xpress access code has expired. ??? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-archive-position: 609 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hey Everyone, I've had a few students complaining of getting booted out of the MOO. Here's the error message: Permission denied. Your Xpress access code has expired. Please return to the login page and reconnect. It seems to happen randomly and infrequently. Anyone have a guess what is up? Could it have anything to do with the local machine that is logged in to the MOO having a network disruption problem. They get temporarily bumped from the network and then reconnected, but the bump is enough to kill the MOO connection. In the computer classroom I use we are using NT and this bumping experience does happen sometimes. Thanks, Lennie L. Lennie Irvin English Instructor, San Antonio College 1300 San Pedro Ave. San Antonio, TX 78212 Lirvin@accd.edu http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/lirvin.htm AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/index.htm From jan.holmevik@uib.no Thu Oct 3 10:47:23 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 03 Oct 2002 10:47:24 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50E34288D2 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 10:47:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from alf.uib.no (alf.uib.no [129.177.30.3]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F7C31A1A40 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 10:39:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 66-169-102-60.ftwrth.tx.charter.com ([10.0.1.33]) [66.169.102.60] by alf.uib.no with esmtp (Exim 3.36) id 17x83g-0003R0-00; Thu, 03 Oct 2002 17:38:36 +0200 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 10:38:43 -0500 Subject: [encore] Re: Permission denied. Your Xpress access code has expired. ??? From: Jan Rune Holmevik To: , enCore list Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021003090608.00ac0a58@accdvm.accd.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-checked-clean: by exiscan on alf X-Scanner: 04b4ce0cf19de314ea61e8d6abb573f2 http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-UiB-SpamFlag: NO UIB: 3.6 hits, 8 required; X-UiB-SpamReport: spamassassin found: * -5.0 -- 'In-Reply-To' line found * 3.7 -- Subject =~ /\?\?\?+/ * 4.9 -- Subject contains lots of white space X-archive-position: 610 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jan.holmevik@uib.no Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jan.holmevik@uib.no List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore This is not an error message. It's a normal system alert. What happens is that when a user connects a unique access code is created and sent to the user's browser as a cookie. This code is also stored on the player in a property called .web_access_code. Each time a user requests a "page" from the MOO or sends POST data to it, the cookie is compared to the user's web access code for authentication. If, for any reason the two does not match the Access Code Expired alert is shown. A player's access code is reset each time they disconnect, so if you have computers there with network problems that is most likely the reason why your students are seeing this alert. Cheers, Jan On 10/3/02 9:09 AM, "Lennie Irvin" wrote: > Hey Everyone, > > I've had a few students complaining of getting booted out of the > MOO. Here's the error message: > > Permission denied. Your Xpress access code has expired. Please return to > the login page and reconnect. > > It seems to happen randomly and infrequently. Anyone have a guess what is > up? Could it have anything to do with the local machine that is logged in > to the MOO having a network disruption problem. They get temporarily > bumped from the network and then reconnected, but the bump is enough to > kill the MOO connection. In the computer classroom I use we are using NT > and this bumping experience does happen sometimes. > > Thanks, > > Lennie > > > L. Lennie Irvin > English Instructor, San Antonio College > 1300 San Pedro Ave. > San Antonio, TX 78212 > Lirvin@accd.edu > http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/lirvin.htm > > AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/index.htm > > > __Jan Rune Holmevik, Cand Philol_________________________________________ University of Bergen jan@mac.com Department of Humanistic Informatics jan.holmevik@uib.no Sydnesplass 7, HF-bygget janruneh@utdallas.edu N-5007 Bergen, NORWAY http://lingua.utdallas.edu/jan From lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Thu Oct 3 12:59:33 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 03 Oct 2002 12:59:34 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8700128902 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:59:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 71AC41A1ACD for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:51:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from *unknown [10.11.14.204] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Thu, 03 Oct 2002 12:51:36 CDT X-Warning: ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU: Could not confirm that host [10.11.14.204] is GH208-LIRVIN.accdvm.accd.edu Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021003122055.00ac0c78@accdvm.accd.edu> X-Sender: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 12:45:23 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Lennie Irvin Subject: [encore] Re: Permission denied. Your Xpress access code has expired. ??? In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021003090608.00ac0a58@accdvm.accd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-archive-position: 611 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi Jan, Thanks for the reply. I think I understand what is going on with this error message, but I'm still not sure what to do about it. I had two students tell me about getting booted off the MOO regularly with this error message while accessing the MOO from home--not our labs. So I'm not sure the network static in our computer classrooms is entirely what is going on. Why would the user's unique access code (created upon connection and sent to the browser as well as saved on the player's property) suddenly not match when they access a new page. What would change the unique access code either in the user's browser or in the player property .web_access? I happen to have my students access moo web pages I have created which have links within them that open into separate browser windows--could this opening of a separate browser window perhaps be what is causing this to happen in certain circumstances (I personally have never had a problem opening these links). Could it be something in their browser? Could it be something in the particular pages being accessed? Could it be something in the way they are connecting to the network? I'm interested in trying to fix this problem, but I'm not sure what to do about it. Thanks as always for your wisdom! Lennie At 10:38 AM 10/3/2002 -0500, you wrote: >This is not an error message. It's a normal system alert. What happens is >that when a user connects a unique access code is created and sent to the >user's browser as a cookie. This code is also stored on the player in a >property called .web_access_code. Each time a user requests a "page" from >the MOO or sends POST data to it, the cookie is compared to the user's web >access code for authentication. If, for any reason the two does not match >the Access Code Expired alert is shown. A player's access code is reset each >time they disconnect, so if you have computers there with network problems >that is most likely the reason why your students are seeing this alert. > >Cheers, >Jan > >On 10/3/02 9:09 AM, "Lennie Irvin" wrote: > > > Hey Everyone, > > > > I've had a few students complaining of getting booted out of the > > MOO. Here's the error message: > > > > Permission denied. Your Xpress access code has expired. Please return to > > the login page and reconnect. > > > > It seems to happen randomly and infrequently. Anyone have a guess what is > > up? Could it have anything to do with the local machine that is logged in > > to the MOO having a network disruption problem. They get temporarily > > bumped from the network and then reconnected, but the bump is enough to > > kill the MOO connection. In the computer classroom I use we are using NT > > and this bumping experience does happen sometimes. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Lennie > > > > > > L. Lennie Irvin > > English Instructor, San Antonio College > > 1300 San Pedro Ave. > > San Antonio, TX 78212 > > Lirvin@accd.edu > > http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/lirvin.htm > > > > AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/index.htm > > > > > > > > >__Jan Rune Holmevik, Cand Philol_________________________________________ >University of Bergen jan@mac.com >Department of Humanistic Informatics jan.holmevik@uib.no >Sydnesplass 7, HF-bygget janruneh@utdallas.edu >N-5007 Bergen, NORWAY http://lingua.utdallas.edu/jan L. Lennie Irvin English Instructor, San Antonio College 1300 San Pedro Ave. San Antonio, TX 78212 Lirvin@accd.edu http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/lirvin.htm AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/index.htm From egoff@mindspring.com Thu Oct 3 13:25:16 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 03 Oct 2002 13:25:17 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06C5C288C5 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:25:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0B451A1AFF for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:17:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from user-uivenra.dsl.mindspring.com ([165.247.95.106] helo=master) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17xAWn-0008Hb-00; Thu, 03 Oct 2002 14:16:50 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021003141625.00daea38@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: egoff@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 14:16:25 -0400 To: jan.holmevik@uib.no, , enCore list From: Edward Goff Subject: [encore] Re: Permission denied. Your Xpress access code hasexpired. ??? In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021003090608.00ac0a58@accdvm.accd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-archive-position: 612 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: egoff@mindspring.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: egoff@mindspring.com List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore At 10:38 AM 10/3/2002 -0500, Jan Rune Holmevik wrote: >This is not an error message. >Cheers, >Jan > Beat me to the punch Jan. :) Was gonna have them talk to there network guru. Sounds like bad cables, bad nic cards or just alot of noise on the network :) If its a college it could be overloaded as well. Gotta abuse the college bandwidth. :) SD From egoff@mindspring.com Thu Oct 3 13:27:35 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 03 Oct 2002 13:27:36 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27D96288C5 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:27:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41C881A0B6C for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:19:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from user-uivenra.dsl.mindspring.com ([165.247.95.106] helo=master) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17xAZH-0004X4-00; Thu, 03 Oct 2002 14:19:23 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021003141859.00daea38@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: egoff@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 14:18:59 -0400 To: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu, encore@utdallas.edu From: Edward Goff Subject: [encore] Re: Permission denied. Your Xpress access code has expired. ??? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021003122055.00ac0c78@accdvm.accd.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021003090608.00ac0a58@accdvm.accd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-archive-position: 613 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: egoff@mindspring.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: egoff@mindspring.com List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore At 12:45 PM 10/3/2002 -0500, Lennie Irvin wrote: >Hi Jan, > >Thanks for the reply. I think I understand what is going on with this >error message, but I'm still not sure what to do about it. I had two >students tell me about getting booted off the MOO regularly with this error >message while accessing the MOO from home--not our labs. So I'm not sure >the network static in our computer classrooms is entirely what is going on. As to the why dunno. Have to do some diggin around. As to the "from home" Are they loggin into the campus network via dialup? Or using something like AOL. My suggestion is to find one person who has this issue and have them try different locations just to confirm is the location not the person. Though I must admit it being the person is gonna be a long shot. SD From kevijeps@telusplanet.net Thu Oct 3 13:45:31 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 03 Oct 2002 13:45:33 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF7AE288C5 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:45:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net (defout.telus.net [199.185.220.240]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A171F1A166D for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:37:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ishtar ([66.222.220.206]) by priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20021003183722.LLTB25741.priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net@ishtar> for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:37:22 -0600 From: "Kevin jepson" To: Subject: [encore] Express with Multiroom objects Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:40:18 -0600 Message-ID: <000601c26b0c$53b16730$0d0119ac@4kcon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-archive-position: 614 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: kevijeps@telusplanet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: kevijeps@telusplanet.net List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi Folks I am using psuedo rooms in my MOO. These are based on a Generic Multiroom from Lambda. They work very well in text mode but Express doesn't understand the room based exit and look verbs. Is there a selection of verbs that I could modify to make Multiroom versions to allow these rooms to be visible in Express? I have looked on the Generic Web Objects etc but there doesn't seem to be any specific Web based versions of these room verbs. Thanks for your help. Ciao KJ =======================================================                                 Kevin Jepson R.E.T.                                        President                                                4K Consulting Inc.                                       " An't nanum hearm deth, doth hwaet                                        ye willath."                 PHONE: (403) 875-8372          Email: kevijeps@telusplanet.net ======================================================= From jan.holmevik@uib.no Thu Oct 3 14:21:26 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 03 Oct 2002 14:21:27 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F63A288CA for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 14:21:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from alf.uib.no (alf.uib.no [129.177.30.3]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F41D1A1A4B for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 14:13:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 66-169-102-60.ftwrth.tx.charter.com ([10.0.1.37]) [66.169.102.60] by alf.uib.no with esmtp (Exim 3.36) id 17xBOw-0004Eq-00; Thu, 03 Oct 2002 21:12:47 +0200 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 14:12:45 -0500 Subject: [encore] Re: Express with Multiroom objects From: Jan Rune Holmevik To: , enCore list Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000601c26b0c$53b16730$0d0119ac@4kcon.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-checked-clean: by exiscan on alf X-Scanner: 9841b46f296d4d6e78a2d85a1f6692f6 http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-UiB-SpamFlag: NO UIB: -5 hits, 8 required; X-archive-position: 615 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jan.holmevik@uib.no Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jan.holmevik@uib.no List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore You need to write a special :_html verb on your generic multi-room that overrides $room:_html in order to take advantage of a room's special features in Xpress. In many cases you want your new _html verb to first pass control to $room:_html and then when the control returns have your new code handle special features. Here's an example: @verb $multiroom:_html this none this if (!caller_perms().wizard) return E_PERM; endif user =3D args[1]; "Pass control to parent's _html verb"; html =3D pass(user); "Enter you custom code here. It will be appended to the html code returned from $room:_html"; . In your case, however, it sounds like you need to completely override $room:_html. This means that you do not pass control to $room:_html as show= n in the example above. The basic $room:_html verb just returns the room's description as stored in the description property. You custom :_html verb needs to handle whatever special features that $multiroom:look_self handles. Try @listing $room:_html and $encore_web_utils:generate_links to see some sample code. Good luck, Jan =20 On 10/3/02 1:40 PM, "Kevin jepson" wrote: > Hi Folks > I am using psuedo rooms in my MOO. These are based on a Generic Multiroo= m > from Lambda. They work very well in text mode but Express doesn't > understand the room based exit and look verbs. Is there a selection of > verbs that I could modify to make Multiroom versions to allow these rooms= to > be visible in Express? >=20 > I have looked on the Generic Web Objects etc but there doesn't seem to be > any specific Web based versions of these room verbs. >=20 > Thanks for your help. > Ciao > KJ >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Kevin Jepson R.E.T. > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 President=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 4K Consulting Inc.=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=20 > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 " An't nanum hearm deth, doth hwaet=A0 > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ye willath." >=20 > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 PHONE: (403) 875-8372=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Email: > kevijeps@telusplanet.net > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 __Jan Rune Holmevik, Cand Philol_________________________________________ University of Bergen jan@mac.com Department of Humanistic Informatics jan.holmevik@uib.no Sydnesplass 7, HF-bygget janruneh@utdallas.edu N-5007 Bergen, NORWAY http://lingua.utdallas.edu/jan From lirvin@mail.accd.edu Fri Oct 4 10:28:41 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 04 Oct 2002 10:28:42 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 636D62876D for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:28:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.accd.edu (209-184-119-40.accd.edu [209.184.119.40]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94B931A02CB for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:20:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sacpipeline ([10.12.0.41]) by mail.accd.edu (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id H3GQJJ00.P0G for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:18:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1084090677.1033744803031.JavaMail.SYSTEM@sacpipeline> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:20:03 -0500 (CDT) From: "LAWRENCE L. IRVIN" To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Oct. 7 1stMondays@AlaMOO Session Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-archive-position: 616 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: lirvin@mail.accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lirvin@mail.accd.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore You=92re invited to the October session of 1stMonday=92s@AlaMOO. The=20 honorable Nick Carbonne will be the special moderator for this=20 discussion. Session Topic: Hybid Use of Technology--the ins and outs of using=20 technology in a limited way in tandem with a traditional classroom=20 setting. Session Time: Monday October 7. 2002 from 2:00 =963:00 PM CST The topic is a repeat of last month=92s topic. Unfortunately, bad=20 weather here in San Antonio played havoc with the network during last=20 month=92s session, so we will try again. I apologize to any of you who=20 might have tried to connect but had troubles. =20 For those planning to attend, I recommend that you access the AlaMOO=20 Conference Packet page with all the information you need to attend a=20 1stMonday session: Conference Packet:=20 http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/MOOstuff/AlaMOOconfpacket.htm AlaMOO is accessible via the web at=20 http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/index.htm I look forward to seeing some of you at next Monday=92s session. Lennie=20 ------------------------------------------------------- L. Lennie Irvin San Antonio College Department of English http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/lirvin.htm AlaMOO:=20 http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/index.htm From lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Tue Oct 8 14:25:43 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 08 Oct 2002 14:25:44 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD3E0288CA for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 14:25:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 6A7DF1A1447 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 14:17:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from *unknown [10.11.14.204] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 14:17:38 CDT X-Warning: ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU: Could not confirm that host [10.11.14.204] is GH208-LIRVIN.accdvm.accd.edu Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021008140601.00acfc28@accdvm.accd.edu> X-Sender: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 14:11:18 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Lennie Irvin Subject: [encore] Xpress Edit of Multimedia Content error Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" X-archive-position: 617 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi Everyone,

Ever since I updated to EnCore 3.2, I have not been able to incorporate multimedia content into my moo objects.  When I use the Xpress Object Editor and select Edit Multimedia Content, I get an internal server error message:
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Failed request was: POST /Xpress_Object_Editor/Editor.html HTTP/1.1
Details:
Traceback:

#158:edit_url, line 10:Property not found
... called from #158:Editor_html, line 78
... called from #32:get, line 45
(End of traceback)

enCoreXpress/3.2 web server at ranger.accd.edu port 7000
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I fear that in all that copying and pasting of code to do the update I might have messed up somewhere.  Any idea what I need to do to get this function working?

Thanks for any help you can offer.
Yours,

Lennie

L. Lennie Irvin
English Instructor, San Antonio College
1300 San Pedro Ave.
San Antonio, TX 78212
Lirvin@accd.edu
http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/lirvin.htm

AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/index.htm
 From j.turner@qut.edu.au Tue Oct 8 23:34:18 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 08 Oct 2002 23:34:19 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB23F288FF for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 23:34:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tu01m3.qut.edu.au (unknown [131.181.127.183]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 806F91A04C9 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 23:26:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mail.qut.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-33 #46659) id <0H3P0YZ015M7TR@mail.qut.edu.au> for encore@utdallas.edu; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:25:19 +1000 (EST) Received: from kubrick.cdes.qut.edu.au (kubrick.acad.arts.qut.edu.au [131.181.233.3]) by mail.qut.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-33 #46659) with ESMTP id <0H3P0YXH05M761@mail.qut.edu.au> for encore@utdallas.edu; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 14:25:19 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 14:35:31 +1000 (EST) From: "truna aka j.turner" Subject: [encore] this wiz just can't cut the mustard! To: encore@utdallas.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-archive-position: 618 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: j.turner@qut.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-to: j.turner@qut.edu.au List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore greetings ... the following is a mail from a student who cannot now create .. we have recycled the original offending object but i'm afraid this wiz just ain't wizzy eno' .. i couldn't find which object is lacking the description property .. it isn't registering in an audit ... can anyone help ... cheers, love truna -- NB: new mail server - stuffed config as yet, please reply to: j.turner@qut.edu.au :) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 13:09:45 +1000 From: J D Reply-To: n4359445.student@student.qut.edu.au To: j.turner@qut.edu.au Subject: probs with Coin and Bill I typed @recreate Cup from Cup named Cup2 I noticed that I had no cup around (but we then found it was on me, unviewable) Jane recycled the cup I think that that is really it, I didn't do much except cause headaches. Here is the error message: There is 1 object which does not have a .object_size property and will thus prevent additional building. Contact a wizard for assistance in having this situation repaired. Hopefully that is all the info you need!? Joel From Kit@BlackIrish.net Tue Oct 8 23:50:07 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 08 Oct 2002 23:50:09 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5887288C5 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 23:50:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bs1-06.fas.harvard.edu (bs1-06.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.34.181]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09C861A0DB0 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 23:41:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (pool-151-203-76-217.bos.east.verizon.net [151.203.76.217]) by bs1-06.fas.harvard.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g994fmK30313 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 00:41:51 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tempest@bb14.betterbox.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 00:41:26 -0400 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Kit Subject: [encore] Multilingual support Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-archive-position: 619 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Kit@BlackIrish.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Kit@BlackIrish.net List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- October 9, 2002 I'm leading the gay life! 09 Hydref 2002 T=E1 m=E9 ag imeacht le haer an tsa= oil! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello. Last year I set up a MOO for a class I was taking on Virtual Communities over the Internet. I am interested in using a MOO for language learning. I had set up a simple verb called "speak" where someone could switch languages. Then the multilingual rooms would display the descriptions in that language, or in English with brackets if no description was given for that language. (Eg., a room with no description in that language might say with the "<>" letting you know that you're set to see it in a different language, but since that language isn't available for that room, you get the English translation ... like how comic books let you know it's in another language but write it in English.) I've looked at various MOOs and seen some in French and some in German, but all they've done it seems is to replace some of the hard-coded English with hard-coded French or German. Has anyone developed multi-lingual support where all the had-coded English is replaced with calls to a language-selector routine? Eventually I may design something like that myself, but if I recode from the very bottom up, updates will be a pain. Thanks for your help! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kit http://www.BlackIrish.net/Kit/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Celtic Music through Celtic Languages Project: http://www.BlackIrish.net/CMtCLP/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- B=E9arfaidh b=F3 =E9igin lao =E9igin l=E1 Some cow will give birth= to some =E9igin. calf some day. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- October 6 -- Dark Moon October 13 -- First Quarter October 21 -- Full Moon October 29 -- Last Quarter October 31 -- Samhain ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From herve@hawaii.edu Wed Oct 9 03:01:27 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 09 Oct 2002 03:01:28 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAA6B288CA for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 03:01:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from rapidash.its.hawaii.edu (rapidash.its.hawaii.edu [128.171.94.83]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 335021A168F for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 02:53:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail.hawaii.edu by mail.hawaii.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.4 (built Aug 5 2002)) id <0H3P00H01EMV9B@mail.hawaii.edu>; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 21:53:11 -1000 (HST) Received: from herve.phys.hawaii.edu (herve.phys.hawaii.edu [128.171.11.114]) by mail.hawaii.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.4 (built Aug 5 2002)) with ESMTPS id <0H3P00L60F8LNO@mail.hawaii.edu>; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 21:53:09 -1000 (HST) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 22:00:57 -1000 (HST) From: herve@hawaii.edu Subject: [encore] Re: Multilingual support In-reply-to: X-X-Sender: herve@herve.phys.hawaii.edu To: encore@utdallas.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 620 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: herve@hawaii.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: herve@hawaii.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Kit, Try have a look at PangaeaMOO; Roderick has done some work on multilingual if I recall. -rv, > Has anyone developed multi-lingual support where all the had-coded > English is replaced with calls to a language-selector routine? From jung@uib.no Wed Oct 9 06:38:39 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 09 Oct 2002 06:38:41 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E89F4288C8 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 06:38:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from alf.uib.no (alf.uib.no [129.177.30.3]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A178E1A0680 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 06:30:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pc-24-210.hit.uib.no (daniels-maskin.uib.no) [129.177.24.210] by alf.uib.no with esmtp (Exim 3.36) id 17zF1L-0004cg-00; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 13:28:55 +0200 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021009124840.00c1b7e8@alf.uib.no> X-Sender: fafdj@alf.uib.no X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 13:28:49 +0200 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Daniel Jung Subject: [encore] Re: Multilingual support In-Reply-To: <3F07ADF4-DB61-11D6-BDD0-0003931B2122@huminf.uib.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-checked-clean: by exiscan on alf X-Scanner: 78261a8a7328704db4f182b513a4b287 http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-UiB-SpamFlag: NO UIB: -12 hits, 8 required; X-archive-position: 621 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jung@uib.no Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jung@uib.no List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore >From: Kit >Date: ons okt 9, 2002 06:41:26 Europe/Oslo >To: encore@utdallas.edu >Subject: [encore] Multilingual support > >[...] I've looked at various MOOs and seen some in French and some in >German, but all they've done it seems is to replace some of the >hard-coded English with hard-coded French or German. > >Has anyone developed multi-lingual support where all the had-coded >English is replaced with calls to a language-selector routine? The flexible multilingual design on MOOs is what I have been working on for= =20 quite some time now. It's done. This summer I worked for Vassar college (MOOssiggang), and I implemented an= =20 architecture you might find interesting. It's German/English, but the=20 architecture is more or less generic, so that other languages can be added= =20 as well. Dutch, Portuguese etc. would be no problem, Russian and Vietnamese= =20 would. I plan on building MOO with more languages. I have a test version=20 with four languages, it works. Room description: If a room owner has made descriptions in different=20 languages, the user read "his/her" version. These are mere property calls,= =20 and that is simple. The task was more complex. The main idea was to build language objects which can be called from=20 everywhere. No hard coded language in the verbs, just calls to the language= =20 object, which dynamically change according to the user's setting. In=20 Moossiggang, the user's location determines his/her language (a German side= =20 and an English side), but this can be switched to a personal setting with a= =20 bit toggle. Two examples: 1. I have made a new :room_announce, where each user reads Dennis asks, "But still, who wants to know?" or Dennis fragt: "But still, who wants to know?" or Dennis pose une question: =AB But still, who wants to know? =BB or Dennis pregunta: - But still, =BFwho wants to know? Symbols are inserted around (and inside) the string according to=20 typographic tradition in the target language. Everything the user provided= =20 was `say But still, who wants to know?'. What the users _say_ is _not_ translated, of course. My project here in=20 Bergen (Norway) once had a Babelfish translation feature where the user=20 input was sent to Babelfish and the result of the request was returned to=20 the other users. Spanish people would talk Spanish, and Italian people=20 would read the Italian Babelfish translation of that utterance. But you=20 know what Babelfish does to language ;) so we didn't continue the work on=20 that feature. It was nifty nonetheless. 2. The language objects contain a grammar module as well, not only text=20 string properties. Thus, the user reads announcements like "Dennis puts the red apple in the blue box" "Dennis legt den roten Apfel in die blaue Kiste" The objects can have alternative names for each language. If adjectives are= =20 provided for German, they are declined correctly as well, including= articles. As German is more specific in its choice of prepositions, I had to find=20 ways to set them individually for each room (defaulting to something). The= =20 work on these language objects has thus lead to a higher level of=20 customizability of the English annoncements as well: "Dennis comes from the lawn" "Dennis comes out of the closet" "Dennis goes into the cellar" "Dennis kommt vom Rasen" "Dennis kommt aus dem closet" "Dennis geht in den Keller" These are just two examples out of many. Updating/patching is not a problem. The language objects aren't touched, so= =20 the properties and verbs will not disappear. But the verb calling it might= =20 be overwritten. When patching, one has to check if the verb patched=20 contains calls to the language object, and if yes, get the call back in=20 after patching. Let's talk. :) - Daniel=20 From jason.nolan@utoronto.ca Wed Oct 9 07:00:39 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 09 Oct 2002 07:00:40 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5584288C8 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 07:00:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca (bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca [128.100.132.16]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8337B1A176D for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 06:52:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from webmail5.ns.utoronto.ca ([128.100.132.37] EHLO webmail5.ns.utoronto.ca ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 35963]) by bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca with ESMTP id <240746-1568>; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 07:52:14 -0400 Received: by webmail5.ns.utoronto.ca id <873016-28020>; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 07:52:07 -0400 Received: from 64.229.132.7 ( [64.229.132.7]) as user nolanjas@mailbox91.utcc.utoronto.ca by webmail.utoronto.ca with HTTP; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 07:51:52 -0400 Message-ID: <1034164312.3da41858e3160@webmail.utoronto.ca> Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 07:51:52 -0400 From: jason.nolan@utoronto.ca To: jung@uib.no Cc: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Re: Multilingual support References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021009124840.00c1b7e8@alf.uib.no> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021009124840.00c1b7e8@alf.uib.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=SHIFT_JIS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-archive-position: 622 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jason.nolan@utoronto.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jason.nolan@utoronto.ca List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Are these using 7bit or 8bit? I'm presently testing an implementation of moo unicode MOO. Is the work everyone's referring to able to do more than just various roman character encodings? And is there any anticipated problems incorporating all this great work (from the sounds of it) into a basic Encore distribution? I'm planning on seeing if we can add the unicode to our encore, then perhaps for greater distribution. Jason From aborgia@videotron.ca Wed Oct 9 10:22:14 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 09 Oct 2002 10:22:15 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 765AC28902 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:22:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from VL-MS-MR002.sc1.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49F081A1046 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:13:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from alex ([24.200.69.169]) by VL-MS-MR002.sc1.videotron.ca (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 0.9 (built Jul 29 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H3P00CQDTMLZ6@VL-MS-MR002.sc1.videotron.ca> for encore@utdallas.edu; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 09:03:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 09:04:00 -0400 From: Alexandre Borgia (by way of Alexandre Borgia ) Subject: [encore] Internationalization Patch Add-On ... To: encore@utdallas.edu Message-id: <200210090904.00253.aborgia@videotron.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 X-archive-position: 623 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: aborgia@videotron.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-to: aborgia@videotron.ca List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore (Sorry if the message got sent twice - I tried first last thursday and never got it back, so I think for some reason it never reached the list) ===== match() and the alike doesn't consider accented-characters (é, ç, ô, etc) as "word-constituent" characters, therefore some matching schemes may give erroneous results with MOOs dealing with non-english languages. For those who may have bumped into random problems (as one of my player did), I propose the following fix to regexpr.c. ===== REPLACE the following (near line 150): for (a = 'a'; a <= 'z'; a++) re_syntax_table[a] = Sword; for (a = 'A'; a <= 'Z'; a++) re_syntax_table[a] = Sword; for (a = '0'; a <= '9'; a++) re_syntax_table[a] = Sword; WITH: for (a = 0; a < 256; a++) if (isalnum (a)) re_syntax_table[a] = Sword; AND ADD (with the other includes at the beginning): #include "ctype.h" ===== Note that I didn't thoroughly tested this, and in no way I can state this is a safe / stable replacment, but as for now it seems to work great for me (with french accented-characters). Any suggestions or comments about this would be appreciated:) - Alexandre Borgia From afjcw@uaa.alaska.edu Thu Oct 10 05:48:09 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 10 Oct 2002 05:48:10 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A7182876D for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 05:48:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sentinel.uaa.alaska.edu (webmail.uaa.alaska.edu [137.229.100.128]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BC071A1BE4 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 05:39:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Isocrates ([137.229.98.74]) by sentinel.uaa.alaska.edu (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 uaa Dec 7 2001 09:58:59) with ESMTP id H3RHMA00.HLN; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 02:39:46 -0800 From: "Jeff White" To: Cc: Subject: [encore] Connection troubles: Request for Help Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 02:39:20 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="shift_jis" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <1034164312.3da41858e3160@webmail.utoronto.ca> X-archive-position: 624 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: afjcw@uaa.alaska.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: afjcw@uaa.alaska.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore All: A person trying to connect to our MOO has been having a very particular kind of problem, and I have no idea how to figure out what is going on. Each time she enters anything in on the mootcan side, IE shuts down as soon as she hits the 'enter' key; however, she can move around, doing everything that is web-based--create objects, MOOmail, etc. Thinking that it might be her ISP (she's connecting through a cable modem with one of the bigger providers up here), I ran a couple tests with her--we logged her in and chatted successfully on LinguaMOO as guests, but as a guest on our MOO, she had the same disconnect results as she does with her account. So I don't think this is a firewall issue on her end nor something to do with her account. Also, another student logs in through the same ISP, but on a dialup service (I'm not sure if their connections to the ISP would make any difference on this end) with no trouble. And I've not had any other consistent connection problems reported--nothing like this. And since it works in LinguaMOO, it seems not to have anything to do with Java or MS VM issues...or, really, anything to do with her end of things... I am, in a word, befuddled. She has no trouble using other websites, and her service is quite reliable. Nobody else in the class uses a cable modem with that ISP this semester--so I don't know if the trouble is consistent with that service; but I'm inclined to think that's not where the issue is. Any suggestions on where the problem could be? I have one other student who seems to get booted out quite frequently--she suggested that she gets booted about every 5-10 minutes (and she connects, as I do, through the U's dialup...and I never get booted)--but otherwise, other users seem to be pretty reliably connected. Anyway, I'd love to have some help in figuring this out. Thanks, Jeff White From jung@uib.no Fri Oct 11 06:22:58 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 11 Oct 2002 06:22:59 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FB59288A8 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 06:22:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from alf.uib.no (alf.uib.no [129.177.30.3]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5DB41A06D4 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 06:14:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pc-24-210.hit.uib.no (daniels-maskin.uib.no) [129.177.24.210] by alf.uib.no for encore@utdallas.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.36) id 17zxjM-0003Iq-00; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:13:20 +0200 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021011130632.01c04c10@alf.uib.no> X-Sender: fafdj@alf.uib.no X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:13:28 +0200 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Daniel Jung Subject: [encore] unicode In-Reply-To: <1034164312.3da41858e3160@webmail.utoronto.ca> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021009124840.00c1b7e8@alf.uib.no> <5.1.0.14.2.20021009124840.00c1b7e8@alf.uib.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-checked-clean: by exiscan on alf X-Scanner: 42d14fbd14b536b1a56be51d8a2ab41e http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-UiB-SpamFlag: NO UIB: -12 hits, 8 required; X-archive-position: 625 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jung@uib.no Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jung@uib.no List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore At Wednesday 09.10.2002 13:51, jason.nolan@utoronto.ca wrote: >I'm presently testing an implementation of moo unicode MOO. That's a dream I have had for a long time. I hope you can get it working. >Is the work everyone's referring to able to do more than just various roman >character encodings? We haven't done other than =E5=F8=E6=FC=F6=E4=DF=E7 etc. A problem has been= (still is)=20 users copy-and-paste from WORD and loose various quotation marks, ellipses= =20 (three dots) and the like (windows' own chart). We tried an=20 invisible "translator" for those characters from windows to unix, but got= =20 stuck somewhere. I could dig it up again if anybody's interested. >I'm planning on seeing if we can add the unicode to our encore, then= perhaps >for greater distribution. Good luck! - Daniel=20 From nae_sue@hotmail.com Sat Oct 12 16:09:31 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Sat, 12 Oct 2002 16:09:32 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63911288A8 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 16:09:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f130.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.130]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B0851A0582 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 16:01:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 14:01:09 -0700 Received: from 24.48.237.57 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 21:01:09 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.48.237.57] From: "Renee Whitesell" To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] remote reboot? Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 21:01:09 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2002 21:01:09.0833 (UTC) FILETIME=[7D71B390:01C27232] X-archive-position: 626 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: nae_sue@hotmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: nae_sue@hotmail.com List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore

We have been having trouble with our database going down at night or over the weekend and no one having access to restart it.  Also, my professor has been out of town at times and has had problems connecting.  What I'm getting at is, we are wondering if anyone has ever done a remote reboot command, so that by typing a command while connected (not on the actual server machine) as a wizard, one could reboot the system to save information or correct problems?

Also, we are still very interested in trying to incorporate foreign language letter characters into our server.  Has anyone else tried to do this yet, and if so, any advise?

Renee


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From herve@hawaii.edu Mon Oct 14 06:18:06 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 14 Oct 2002 06:18:08 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05DB0288A6 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 06:18:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from rapidash.its.hawaii.edu (rapidash.its.hawaii.edu [128.171.94.83]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 909811A120A for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 06:09:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail.hawaii.edu by mail.hawaii.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.4 (built Aug 5 2002)) id <0H3Y00301XGYIO@mail.hawaii.edu>; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 01:09:41 -1000 (HST) Received: from herve.phys.hawaii.edu (herve.phys.hawaii.edu [128.171.11.114]) by mail.hawaii.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.4 (built Aug 5 2002)) with ESMTPS id <0H3Y00JJHXMRFX@mail.hawaii.edu>; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 01:08:52 -1000 (HST) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 01:17:38 -1000 (HST) From: rv Subject: [encore] FUP version 1.9 X-X-Sender: herve@herve.phys.hawaii.edu To: WhoEveR is ConcERned: ; Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 627 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: herve@hawaii.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: herve@hawaii.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Sorry for possible cross postings - New version of FUP is available for unix based OS. Anyone interested in writing the fup.dll for it is welcome so that winmoo users can use it as well. Thank you to Kenavo (#988@MOOFrancais.org) for his big help on this new version. three things: * comments on adding a particular line has been inserted in FUP.README concerning version.h (missing on 1.8 version, which caused the server not to compile successfully). * fileinsert() function added - allows insertion of lines anywhere in a file. * filecut() function added - allows deletion of lines anywhere in a file. Read the FUP.README for more info on the syntax of each new function. File can be found at: http://moo.kcc.hawaii.edu/~moo/MOO/files/documentation/wizbasics.html#fup Aloha, -rv, From jhaefner@iwu.edu Thu Oct 17 09:01:14 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 17 Oct 2002 09:01:15 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1FC0288A3 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 09:01:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from triton.iwu.edu (triton.iwu.edu [198.178.132.31]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 996511A1DC4 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:52:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from triton.iwu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by viruswall.iwu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C984413293 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:52:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sun.iwu.edu (sun.iwu.edu [198.178.132.10]) by triton.iwu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87B7613181 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:52:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from jhaefner.sun.iwu.edu (unknown [10.2.46.50]) by sun.iwu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E9EE2C48 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:52:40 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021017084533.00aaa0e0@sun.iwu.edu> X-Sender: jhaefner@sun.iwu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:47:24 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Joel Haefner Subject: [encore] newbie programming question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-archive-position: 628 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jhaefner@iwu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jhaefner@iwu.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore I'd like to be able to activate a bot when a player enters a room. I'm sure this is incredibly simple. I'm following the route of having enterfunc call a verb owned by the bot, but this is not working. Help would be appreciated. Joel Haefner From SCHWELLER@bvu.edu Thu Oct 17 14:55:47 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:55:48 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52EA12876D for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:55:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ngw.bvu.edu (ngw.bvu.edu [147.92.2.13]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACD311A0BD3 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:47:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from BVU-Gateways-MTA by ngw.bvu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:47:12 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:47:05 -0500 From: "Ken Schweller" To: , Subject: [encore] Re: newbie programming question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-archive-position: 629 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: SCHWELLER@bvu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: SCHWELLER@bvu.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Here is a quick and dirty method to make clones of the Generic Bot (#100) 'activate' when somebody enters a room. Lets assume your cloned bot is #747. Edit your room's 'enterfunc' to read something like: pass(@args); #747:activate(#747); Now, before this can work, you will have to make the Generic Bot's 'activate' verb 'executable' so it can be called by your room's 'enterfunc'. Use the Xpress editor to set the Generic Bot's 'activate' permissions to 'rxd' instead of just 'rd'. You will probably need wiz perms to make that change. Now your chatty bot will perk up when somebody enters its room. You could use the same pattern to make it 'hush' when someone (or everyone..) has left. By the way, I have made several improvements to the Generic Bot since I first created it many years ago. When I get everything tested I will release Generic Bot II - Loebner Contest beware On another note, SeminarMOO is now open! Come visit us at http://147.92.13.7:7000/ Ken Schweller ====================================== Dr. Ken Schweller Professor of Computer Science and Psychology Dean, School of Science Buena Vista University Storm Lake, IA 50588 schweller@bvu.edu http://schweller.bvu.edu 712 749-2019 ====================================== >>> Joel Haefner 10/17/02 08:47AM >>> I'd like to be able to activate a bot when a player enters a room. I'm sure this is incredibly simple. I'm following the route of having enterfunc call a verb owned by the bot, but this is not working. Help would be appreciated. Joel Haefner From lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Thu Oct 17 15:09:15 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:09:16 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 378652876D for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:09:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 2F0221A1ED7 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:00:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from *unknown [10.11.14.204] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:01:05 CDT X-Warning: ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU: Could not confirm that host [10.11.14.204] is GH208-LIRVIN.accdvm.accd.edu Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021017142420.00ac3308@accdvm.accd.edu> X-Sender: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:54:28 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Lennie Irvin Subject: [encore] Of Java, Windows and "You've got to be kidding!" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-archive-position: 630 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Lennie waves When I first heard this, I said, "You've got to be kidding." Now that I have my first student who can't access my MOO because of this problem, I'm not laughing any more. I wanted to check with you all to see if the information I have received about Windows 2000 and XP compatibility with JAVA is true, and if true, I wanted to get some help for directing students to solve this access problem. Here's the scoop I got from a tech assistant in our department: Windows 2000 and XP operation systems do not come with the Virtual Machine or JAVA installed or enabled by default. Since Internet Explorer and the operating system are so intertwined, the browser is not able to access an EnCore MOO completely. The MOO will give the error message that JAVA must be installed. Here's the fun part. If a Windows2000 or XP user goes to the Sun Microsystems site and downloads Java 1.4, he or she will not be able to install the program unless they are logged in with the "Administrator Profile." Also, apparently no changes to the default settings can be made unless you are in the Administrator mode. I'm still working in an NT environment, so I'm not sure about how one logs in as an Administrator on a home system, or how perhaps one could bump their personal profile priviledges up to an administrator level. So my question is, what do I tell my student who has WindowsXP at home and can't install JAVA (and so can't access the moo completely)? Thanks for your wisdom, Lennie L. Lennie Irvin English Instructor, San Antonio College 1300 San Pedro Ave. San Antonio, TX 78212 Lirvin@accd.edu http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/lirvin.htm AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/index.htm From Kit@BlackIrish.net Thu Oct 17 15:24:56 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:24:57 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73DC02876D for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:24:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bs2-08.fas.harvard.edu (bs2-08.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.34.188]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D89F1A1ED5 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:16:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [131.142.9.103] (sedkg2.harvard.edu [131.142.9.103]) by bs2-08.fas.harvard.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9HKGOx23134 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 16:16:24 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tempest@bb14.betterbox.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021017142420.00ac3308@accdvm.accd.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021017142420.00ac3308@accdvm.accd.edu> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 16:16:21 -0400 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Kit Subject: [encore] Re: Of Java, Windows and "You've got to be kidding!" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-archive-position: 631 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Kit@BlackIrish.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Kit@BlackIrish.net List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- October 17, 2002 I'm leading the gay life! 17 Deireadh F=F3mhair 2002 T=E1 m=E9 ag imeacht le haer an t= saoil! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thursday, October 17, 2002, Lennie Irvin wrote: > So my question is, what do I tell my student who has WindowsXP at home > and can't install JAVA (and so can't access the moo completely)? My response is that they can always telnet in. Sure, it won't have the snazzy graphics and such, but it is still usable and explorable. Which is why I'm setting up one for a discussion group I'm on. Some people can't use the Yahoo Java chatroom (probably for the same issues that started this thread). I'll have those people telnet in using any dinky telnet program. It's easy, far less memory, and a lot less hassle when all we really wanted was people to be able to have an online discussion. I have both a Mac and a PC at home. I only have one user set up on my PC and that one has all the admin privileges. If someone has their own home PC and for some reason doesn't, my guess is they weren't the ones who set up their PC and they need to find those people and get their admin username and password. I know, not completely helpful. I only have Windows2000 on mine and after all the discussion groups I've been on about people not being able to negotiate the built-in firewalls and whatnot, I'm planning to stay just where I am. I wouldn't have upgraded to 2000 except the people who set up my video-editing removable hard drive were dead set on it. Good luck! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kit http://www.BlackIrish.net/Kit/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Celtic Music through Celtic Languages Project: http://www.BlackIrish.net/CMtCLP/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- You can lead a horse to water, but "Specious peanuts exacerbate you can't make him say, rack-and-pinion voodoo in southeastern Latvia." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Psychic Chicken Network: http://www.ruprecht.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- October 6 -- Dark Moon October 13 -- First Quarter October 21 -- Full Moon October 29 -- Last Quarter October 31 -- Samhain ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jung@uib.no Thu Oct 17 16:24:56 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 17 Oct 2002 16:24:57 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82C232876D for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 16:24:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from noralf.uib.no (noralf.uib.no [129.177.30.12]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A18B11A0CFE for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 16:16:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tunnel-44-41.vpn.uib.no (daniel-main.uib.no) [129.177.44.41] by noralf.uib.no with esmtp (Exim 3.36) id 182I09-00062b-00; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 23:16:17 +0200 Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021017225819.01c125e8@alf.uib.no> X-Sender: fafdj@alf.uib.no X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 23:16:20 +0200 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Daniel Jung Subject: [encore] Re: Of Java, Windows and "You've got to be kidding!" In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021017142420.00ac3308@accdvm.accd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-checked-clean: by exiscan on noralf X-Scanner: 9e609156597afd819a6e250b72a56b56 http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-UiB-SpamFlag: NO UIB: -12 hits, 8 required; X-archive-position: 632 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jung@uib.no Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jung@uib.no List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore At 21:54 17.10.2002 Thursday, Lennie Irvin wrote: >Windows 2000 and XP operation systems do not come with the Virtual Machine >or JAVA installed or enabled by default. The latest versions don't ship with SUN modules because of some legal issues. I had the same problem. I had an XP installation where the MOOs worked smoothly with VM, then I re-installed a fresh version from scratch for some reason, - only to realize that the Microsoft Virtual Machine was taken out ot that shipment. Good news: Although intertwined, the package is a module which can be installed afterwards. It is out there. I downloaded it with Kazaa, it's app. 5 MB in a selfextracting zip/exe-file. Had no trouble (check for vira though). Maybe SUN has an official version on their homepage download area again, haven't checked. >I'm still working in an NT environment, so I'm not sure about how one logs >in as an Administrator on a home system, Well, home machines should be the easiest to temper with - when the person in question has set up his/her machine with XP, he/she is the administrator. Working in a Computer Pool at the University etc. is a much bigger problem. >So my question is, what do I tell my student who has WindowsXP at home and >can't install JAVA (and so can't access the moo completely)? Ask him who installed XP. Ask this person to reveal the Administrator password. Download VM. Install. Enjoy. - Daniel From jeffwhite@uaa.alaska.edu Thu Oct 17 21:57:20 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 17 Oct 2002 21:57:20 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2763728942 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 21:57:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sentinel.uaa.alaska.edu (webmail.uaa.alaska.edu [137.229.100.128]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 758291A1927 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 21:48:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Isocrates ([137.229.181.20]) by sentinel.uaa.alaska.edu (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 uaa Dec 7 2001 09:58:59) with ESMTP id H45P5A00.VGA for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 18:48:46 -0800 From: "Jeff White" To: Subject: [encore] Connection problem: Take 2 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 18:48:08 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <2366963022.1034886088@hkruse.csm.ohiou.edu> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-archive-position: 633 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: afjcw@uaa.alaska.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: afjcw@uaa.alaska.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore I posted a long version of this problem a week or so ago, and have not figured anything out Problem: student gets booted after entering anything in MOOtcan. She can do all the web-based stuff, including making objects. Just no talking, emoting, or typing commands. She COULD, however, do those things as a guest in LinguaMOO--but not as a guest in mine. Nor would it work w/straight telnet. She set up a different computer at her home, and had the same problem--but CAN connect w/her account from work. It seems, by deduction, to be between her connection (not specific computer) and our University (not encore MOOs generally). She uses a cable modem...another student w/same ISP but dial-up can connect. If anyone has even a wild guess or can tell me what questions to ask, I'd appreciate it. Jeff White From egoff@mindspring.com Fri Oct 18 11:57:32 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 18 Oct 2002 11:57:33 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D62E628934 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 11:57:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A3021A07C1 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 11:49:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from user-uivenul.dsl.mindspring.com ([165.247.95.213] helo=master) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 182aIw-00053D-00; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 12:48:55 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021018124741.00dbebb0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: egoff@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 12:47:41 -0400 To: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu, encore@utdallas.edu From: Edward Goff Subject: [encore] Re: Of Java, Windows and "You've got to be kidding!" In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021017142420.00ac3308@accdvm.accd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-archive-position: 634 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: egoff@mindspring.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: egoff@mindspring.com List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore At 02:54 PM 10/17/2002 -0500, Lennie Irvin wrote: >Lennie waves > Java(TM) Plug-in: Version 1.3.1_04 Using JRE version 1.3.1_04 Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM There is the Java plug-in I have installed. Everything appeared top work fine for me. Assuming the room you have guests connecting to has no web information. The help desk and tutor room do work. FYI I don't know if its Encore, my browser or your site but when I'm trying to read mail while I wait for the login screen and my browser keeps popping up on top of stuff to show me the progress or a thank you popup its not a happy moment. :) Just my .02. The moral of this story is. IF your running 2K gbet the above listed java plugin and IE 6.X and encore works fine. XP.. well I can't state my opinion of XP on this list so I say try it but at your own risk SD From jeffwhite@uaa.alaska.edu Fri Oct 18 12:00:37 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 18 Oct 2002 12:00:38 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40DCC28934 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 12:00:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sentinel.uaa.alaska.edu (Sentinel.uaa.alaska.edu [137.229.100.128]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5B8C1A211B for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 11:52:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Isocrates ([137.229.181.20]) by sentinel.uaa.alaska.edu (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 uaa Dec 7 2001 09:58:59) with ESMTP id H46S6S00.2TZ for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 08:52:04 -0800 From: "Jeff White" To: Subject: [encore] Fixed: Connection problem: Take 2 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 08:51:24 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal X-archive-position: 635 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: afjcw@uaa.alaska.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: afjcw@uaa.alaska.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Thanks to those folks who responded. Particularly Erin Karper who sent a response, responded to my Qs, and responded again and again...about switching port #s. It turns out that switching MOOtcan versions from .5 to 1.2 made the difference. Thanks, jeffwhite -----Original Message----- From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu]On Behalf Of Jeff White Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 5:48 PM To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Connection problem: Take 2 I posted a long version of this problem a week or so ago, and have not figured anything out Problem: student gets booted after entering anything in MOOtcan. She can do all the web-based stuff, including making objects. Just no talking, emoting, or typing commands. She COULD, however, do those things as a guest in LinguaMOO--but not as a guest in mine. Nor would it work w/straight telnet. She set up a different computer at her home, and had the same problem--but CAN connect w/her account from work. It seems, by deduction, to be between her connection (not specific computer) and our University (not encore MOOs generally). She uses a cable modem...another student w/same ISP but dial-up can connect. If anyone has even a wild guess or can tell me what questions to ask, I'd appreciate it. Jeff White From d.norman@mail.utexas.edu Sat Oct 19 10:38:53 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Sat, 19 Oct 2002 10:38:55 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1571D288A6 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 10:38:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from txsmtp03.texas.rr.com (smtp3.texas.rr.com [24.93.36.231]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF7B51A12ED for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 10:30:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (cs9340-134.austin.rr.com [24.93.40.134]) by txsmtp03.texas.rr.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g9JFT4Ur027919 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 11:29:04 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: d.norman@mail.utexas.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 10:32:19 -0700 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Doug Norman Subject: [encore] tape recorder malfunction - internal server error Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1177073755==_ma============" X-archive-position: 636 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: d.norman@mail.utexas.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: d.norman@mail.utexas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore --============_-1177073755==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" The logs made by tape recorders have suddenly started generating internal server errors. The recorder seems to function: the light comes on, etc. When the recorder is stopped, it does not offer to send an email to the owner. It creates a log in the recorder and, under the "length" column, it reads "type mismatch lines." When I click on the log, the following error message appears: Internal Server Error An internal server error was encountered. If this problem persists please notify a MOO administrator. Failed request was: GET /3665/ HTTP/1.1 Details: Traceback: #125:detect_urls, line 11:Type mismatch ... called from #3665:_html, line 6 ... called from #32:get, line 45 (End of traceback I know how to look at the code for the generic recorder and utility (detect_urls) listed above. But, I don't know how to fix it. --============_-1177073755==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" tape recorder malfunction - internal server error
The logs made by tape recorders have suddenly started generating internal server errors. The recorder seems to function: the light comes on, etc. When the recorder is stopped, it does not offer to send an email to the owner.

It creates a log in the recorder and, under the "length" column, it reads "type mismatch lines." When I click on the log, the following error message appears:

Internal Server Error
An internal server error was encountered. If this problem persists please notify a MOO administrator.

Failed request was: GET /3665/ HTTP/1.1
Details:
Traceback:

#125:detect_urls, line 11:Type mismatch
... called from #3665:_html, line 6
... called from #32:get, line 45
(End of traceback

I know how to look at the code for the generic recorder and utility (detect_urls) listed above. But, I don't know how to fix it.
--============_-1177073755==_ma============-- From aborgia@videotron.ca Sat Oct 19 11:35:17 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Sat, 19 Oct 2002 11:35:18 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DA242878D for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 11:35:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from VL-MS-MR002.sc1.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 432381A2D62 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 11:26:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from alex ([24.200.69.169]) by VL-MS-MR002.sc1.videotron.ca (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 0.9 (built Jul 29 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H48004I6LOJOA@VL-MS-MR002.sc1.videotron.ca> for encore@utdallas.edu; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 12:26:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 12:26:54 -0400 From: Alexandre Borgia Subject: [encore] Re: tape recorder malfunction - internal server error In-reply-to: To: encore@utdallas.edu Message-id: <200210191226.54496.aborgia@videotron.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: X-archive-position: 637 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: aborgia@videotron.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-to: aborgia@videotron.ca List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Verify that the "text" property on your note #3665 solely consists of either a string or a plain list of strings. > #125:detect_urls, line 11:Type mismatch > ... called from #3665:_html, line 6 > ... called from #32:get, line 45 > (End of traceback - Alexandre Borgia From jung@uib.no Sun Oct 20 18:42:10 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Sun, 20 Oct 2002 18:42:11 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 216272875F for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 18:42:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from noralf.uib.no (noralf.uib.no [129.177.30.12]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC4911A46EC for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 18:33:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tunnel-44-125.vpn.uib.no (daniel-main.uib.no) [129.177.44.125] by noralf.uib.no with esmtp (Exim 3.36) id 183PZN-00078L-00; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 01:33:17 +0200 Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021021011506.0194a478@alf.uib.no> X-Sender: fafdj@alf.uib.no X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 01:33:24 +0200 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Daniel Jung Subject: [encore] login request Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-checked-clean: by exiscan on noralf X-Scanner: bafe9b2dcc95cf3d3c3266b4610242f2 http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-UiB-SpamFlag: NO UIB: -7 hits, 8 required; X-archive-position: 638 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jung@uib.no Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jung@uib.no List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi guys. The web login is normally done via a form like this
Is there any way to do this in a cgi/php-fashioned URL like http://server:port/something?useridField=Guest&passwordField=&OS= I am working on a general external authentication for multiple MOOs and would like to have a generated meta-redirect-URL in case the username is Guest. The redirect should be DIRECTLY into the MOO. So please don't say the form method is just as good anyhow... Thanks for any help! - Daniel From Mark.A.ONeil@Dartmouth.EDU Tue Oct 22 08:42:28 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 22 Oct 2002 08:42:29 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4272A288A6 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 08:42:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailhub.Dartmouth.EDU (mailhub.dartmouth.edu [129.170.16.6]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EE821A1D9E for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 08:33:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from moneil.dartmouth.edu (moneil.dartmouth.edu [129.170.88.111]) by mailhub.Dartmouth.EDU (8.9.3+DND/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01744 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 09:33:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 09:35:03 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: [encore] #10:special_action ** unreadable ** From: "Mark O'Neil" To: encore@utdallas.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <11DA5FBE-E5C3-11D6-9F85-000393A380A4@Dartmouth.EDU> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) X-archive-position: 639 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Mark.A.ONeil@Dartmouth.EDU Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Mark.A.ONeil@Dartmouth.EDU List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore #10:special_action ** unreadable ** Anyone have an idea what this is about? and can anyone send me the contents of this verb? regards, -m From Mark.A.ONeil@Dartmouth.EDU Tue Oct 22 15:20:58 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:20:59 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96225288C6 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:20:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailhub.Dartmouth.EDU (mailhub.dartmouth.edu [129.170.16.6]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A7B41A0399 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:12:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from moneil.dartmouth.edu (moneil.dartmouth.edu [129.170.88.111]) by mailhub.Dartmouth.EDU (8.9.3+DND/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29775; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 16:12:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 16:13:28 -0400 Subject: [encore] Re: #10:special_action ** unreadable ** Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) Cc: encore@utdallas.edu To: Joel Haefner From: "Mark O'Neil" In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021022143751.00a5c260@sun.iwu.edu> Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) X-archive-position: 640 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Mark.A.ONeil@Dartmouth.EDU Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Mark.A.ONeil@Dartmouth.EDU List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi Joel, I was porting my kerberos enabled (soon to be pki enabled too) DEC-Unix moo to RedHat 7.2 and it was not going well, so I started looking at the 'in-core' login bits I had added and saw (via the web gui) that this particular verb was there and unreadable. Didn't recall that from the last time I visited this code (about a year ago) so I thought I'd ask. I finished the build (the problem was elsewhere), but the curiosity still holds. -m On Tuesday, October 22, 2002, at 03:39 PM, Joel Haefner wrote: > Mark, > My MOO is telling me that this verb has not been programmed, and that > it's execute only. Beyond that I have no idea about its function. What > was the context in which you got the message? > > Joel Haefner From jan.holmevik@uib.no Tue Oct 22 15:27:05 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:27:06 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B266288C6 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:27:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from alf.uib.no (alf.uib.no [129.177.30.3]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B40131A11D9 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:18:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 66-169-102-60.ftwrth.tx.charter.com ([10.0.1.51]) [66.169.102.60] by alf.uib.no for encore@utdallas.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 1845Tq-0001ws-00; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 22:18:22 +0200 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:18:31 -0500 Subject: [encore] Re: #10:special_action ** unreadable ** From: Jan Rune Holmevik To: enCore list Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-checked-clean: by exiscan on alf X-Scanner: 36b0f56ea296d3f1555ade48a2032d9a http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-UiB-SpamFlag: NO UIB: -5 hits, 8.0 required X-UiB-SpamReport: spamassassin found; * -5.0 -- 'In-Reply-To' line found X-archive-position: 641 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jan.holmevik@uib.no Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jan.holmevik@uib.no List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore It appears that it's an un-compiled verb that's been left in by a mistake, either by yours truly, or by the Lambda core wizards. Try to see if you can make it readable with @chmod #10:special_action +r Cheers, Jan On 10/22/02 3:13 PM, "Mark O'Neil" wrote: > Hi Joel, > I was porting my kerberos enabled (soon to be pki enabled too) DEC-Unix > moo to RedHat 7.2 and it was not going well, so I started looking at the > 'in-core' login bits I had added and saw (via the web gui) that this > particular verb was there and unreadable. > > Didn't recall that from the last time I visited this code (about a year > ago) so I thought I'd ask. > > I finished the build (the problem was elsewhere), but the curiosity > still holds. > > -m > > On Tuesday, October 22, 2002, at 03:39 PM, Joel Haefner wrote: > >> Mark, >> My MOO is telling me that this verb has not been programmed, and that >> it's execute only. Beyond that I have no idea about its function. What >> was the context in which you got the message? >> >> Joel Haefner > > > __Jan Rune Holmevik, Cand Philol_________________________________________ University of Bergen jan@mac.com Department of Humanistic Informatics jan.holmevik@uib.no Sydnesplass 7, HF-bygget janruneh@utdallas.edu N-5007 Bergen, NORWAY http://lingua.utdallas.edu/jan From aborgia@videotron.ca Tue Oct 22 20:08:06 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 22 Oct 2002 20:08:07 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69B1C288CE for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 20:08:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from VL-MS-MR002.sc1.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96BF81A058F for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 19:59:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from alex ([24.200.69.169]) by VL-MS-MR002.sc1.videotron.ca (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 0.9 (built Jul 29 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H4E009OUTF277@VL-MS-MR002.sc1.videotron.ca> for encore@utdallas.edu; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 20:59:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 20:59:43 -0400 From: Alexandre Borgia Subject: [encore] Re: Recorder and Web Projector malfunctions in MOO In-reply-to: <1035329001.3db5dde988bad@webmailapp2.cc.utexas.edu> To: encore@utdallas.edu Message-id: <200210222059.43808.aborgia@videotron.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <1035329001.3db5dde988bad@webmailapp2.cc.utexas.edu> X-archive-position: 642 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: aborgia@videotron.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-to: aborgia@videotron.ca List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Aimee, The Recorder uses $notes objects to archive the logs. Quickly browsing the code, what I see is that the "text" property isn't set accordingly on the newly created $note when the very first error occurs - and this could actually explains all subsequent ones. The line of code looks like this on my MOO: (#115:start_recorder) 11: this.log.text = {@this.log.text, "-- Start log: " + $time_utils:time_sub("$D, $N $t, $Y $o:$M:$S $p ") + $network.MOO_name + " time --"}; ... please tell me if it differs on yours. Okay. Now I first went with the idea that the text to be appended to the note was misformated, but it tested correctly. The problem is hence most probably the text on the generic note itself that is messed up. Please make sure it it set to an empty list - {} - by doing: @d $note.text ... and if you see another type of value, reset it by doing so: @set $note.text to {} Let's hope this is the problem! As for the Web Projector, I see a nasty bug on the problematic line: #113:start Line 9: if (length(this.slides > 1)) SHOULD BE: if (length(this.slides) > 1) If this has been fixed over new releases (?), another problem might be that the "slides" property isn't set to a list of strings. Again, try "@d .slides", and if you don't see something of the type: {"http://url1", "http://url2, "..."} ... set it using this syntax. - Alexandre Borgia PS: "slides" property is set to Writable on the generic projector?! From rtk@stargate.net Fri Oct 25 07:54:18 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 25 Oct 2002 07:54:19 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06C8B288C4 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 07:54:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.149]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 3D8941A0AFD for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 07:45:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 4134 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2002 12:45:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO t4k7j9) (144.80.92.30) by smtp-int-01.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 25 Oct 2002 12:45:34 -0000 From: "Rob Koch Jr." To: "enCore list" Subject: [encore] Lag Problems Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 09:04:41 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-archive-position: 643 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: rtk@stargate.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: rtk@stargate.net List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi all, While this problem isn't specifically dealing with the MOO itself, I'm hoping there are some Linux users out there who might be able to help us. In the last few weeks, the lag has gotten really bad on our MOO. There appears to be enough room in memory and on the hard drive (the MOO database itself takes up about 125 MB) and within the same office space, it works fine. But once someone off campus tries to connect the lag gets worse and worse, seemingly with distance. Students in a lab near the building where the MOO is housed didn't have too much lag, but a prof working at home had a lot more. My students who were in Massachusetts (I'm in Pennsylvania) were left far behind. I've heard everything from check the SWAP space to it's a router problem. Any advice or suggestions would be greatly appreciated, cause it has pretty much rendered us useless... Rob From aborgia@videotron.ca Fri Oct 25 11:00:39 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:00:40 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9DEE288A3 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:00:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from VL-MS-MR001.sc1.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id F397B1A0CC6 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:51:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from alex ([24.200.69.169]) by VL-MS-MR001.sc1.videotron.ca (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 0.9 (built Jul 29 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H4J00FYPO2OPI@VL-MS-MR001.sc1.videotron.ca> for encore@utdallas.edu; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:52:17 -0400 From: Alexandre Borgia Subject: [encore] Re: Lag Problems In-reply-to: To: encore@utdallas.edu Message-id: <200210251152.17740.aborgia@videotron.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: X-archive-position: 644 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: aborgia@videotron.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-to: aborgia@videotron.ca List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi Rob, Lag comes from many sources. For instance, the information can be delayed because of heavy software processing that can't generate data at sufficient rate (probably the case of LambdaMOO which has always more than an hundred simmultaneous connections). This is probably not your case though, since you state that the MOO works fine when connected locally. The other possibily is that one of the server along the packets' road is getting overloaded and can't relay data efficiently. This is a plague for any net service, since there is really nothing that can be done about it. The users must deal with it the best they can - for example, they might try to log in at different hours and find a time where the connection is less stressed. Actually, you might invite the users to do a "traceroute" to your server ("tracert" in Windows' command-prompt). Such utilities ask for feedback from every server routing them to final destination. You can then pinpoint which servers are laggin behind. You might, for example, see that the packets are getting stuck at your establishment' gates, and THEN you may have some control over it. If the data is rather delayed by a random server, you might be able to get information about its localisation via "whois" or a DNS registry service, and then contact the foreign administrator with your problem. - Alexandre Borgia On October 25, 2002 09:04 am, Rob Koch Jr. wrote: > Hi all, > > While this problem isn't specifically dealing with the MOO itself, I'm > hoping there are some Linux users out there who might be able to help us. > > In the last few weeks, the lag has gotten really bad on our MOO. There > appears to be enough room in memory and on the hard drive (the MOO database > itself takes up about 125 MB) and within the same office space, it works > fine. But once someone off campus tries to connect the lag gets worse and > worse, seemingly with distance. Students in a lab near the building where > the MOO is housed didn't have too much lag, but a prof working at home had > a lot more. My students who were in Massachusetts (I'm in Pennsylvania) > were left far behind. > > I've heard everything from check the SWAP space to it's a router problem. > Any advice or suggestions would be greatly appreciated, cause it has pretty > much rendered us useless... > > Rob From egoff@mindspring.com Fri Oct 25 12:04:04 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:04:04 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ADED288C4 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:04:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADC251A0D2D for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:55:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from user-2ivel8m.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.85.22] helo=master) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1857jc-000581-00; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:54:57 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021025125355.00dc5ba0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: egoff@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:53:55 -0400 To: rtk@stargate.net, "enCore list" From: Edward Goff Subject: [encore] Re: Lag Problems In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-archive-position: 645 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: egoff@mindspring.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: egoff@mindspring.com List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore At 09:04 AM 10/25/2002 -0400, Rob Koch Jr. wrote: >Hi all, > >While this problem isn't specifically dealing with the MOO itself, I'm >hoping there are some Linux users out there who might be able to help us. > >In the last few weeks, the lag has gotten really bad on our MOO. There >appears to be enough room in memory and on the hard drive (the MOO database >itself takes up about 125 MB) and within the same office space, it works >fine. But once someone off campus tries to connect the lag gets worse and >worse, seemingly with distance. Students in a lab near the building where >the MOO is housed didn't have too much lag, but a prof working at home had a >lot more. My students who were in Massachusetts (I'm in Pennsylvania) were >left far behind. > >I've heard everything from check the SWAP space to it's a router problem. >Any advice or suggestions would be greatly appreciated, cause it has pretty >much rendered us useless... > >Rob > > Umm dude if your DB is 125mg I hope you got 512mg of ram to run that puppy under with at least a 128k swap The Database, during checkpoint, has to run 2 copies of its self 125 * 2 = 250 the server is also running, as well as ALL linux processs, and to top all that off your running encore which means its processing HTTP requests and who knows what else on that box. RE: lag Get a program that does tracerouteing for you. Neotrace is a good one but shareware. Find out "where" the lag is Then try to determine the problem. Could be a router but... well just look into it :) From egoff@mindspring.com Fri Oct 25 12:08:23 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:08:24 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A61F288C4 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:08:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8461C1A0D2F for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:59:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from user-2ivel8m.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.85.22] helo=master) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1857o9-0007zb-00 for encore@utdallas.edu; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:59:37 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021025125836.00daffa0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: egoff@pop.mindspring.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:58:36 -0400 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Edward Goff Subject: [encore] Re: Lag Problems In-Reply-To: <200210251152.17740.aborgia@videotron.ca> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-archive-position: 646 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: egoff@mindspring.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: egoff@mindspring.com List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore FYI for those who care. Lambda, the original MOO, as of October 25th => 196095124 Has a 196DB and runs on a sparc sun server with 384mg of ram and a 128 or 256 swap (I forget now) I Haven't verifed the Server information in a while so I could be off a bit. My point was that if your running a 125mg db I hope you got the box from greenpeace running it. :) From herve@hawaii.edu Sat Oct 26 07:16:41 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list encore); Sat, 26 Oct 2002 07:16:42 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85474288D9 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 07:16:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from rapidash.its.hawaii.edu (rapidash.its.hawaii.edu [128.171.94.83]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E53901A142A for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 07:07:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail.hawaii.edu by mail.hawaii.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.4 (built Aug 5 2002)) id <0H4L00K0181U5P@mail.hawaii.edu>; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 02:07:55 -1000 (HST) Received: from herve.phys.hawaii.edu (herve.phys.hawaii.edu [128.171.11.114]) by mail.hawaii.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.4 (built Aug 5 2002)) with ESMTPS id <0H4L00M378D6ML@mail.hawaii.edu>; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 02:07:54 -1000 (HST) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 02:20:33 -1000 (HST) From: rv Subject: [encore] Re: Lag Problems In-reply-to: X-X-Sender: herve@herve.phys.hawaii.edu To: enCore list Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 647 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: herve@hawaii.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: herve@hawaii.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: encore Rob, To increase swap performance (probably needed considering the size of your db), you could probably (depending on your kernel version) make use of parallel swaping (hum.. talking about linux here, dunno about other *nix flavors for sure). It would work best of course of you have your swap defined on separate hd of course. To do so, edit your /etc/fstab and use the pri option, and set them up on the same priority. for instance, on our box we set it up like: /dev/hdd2 swap swap sw,pri=3 0 0 /dev/hda3 swap swap sw,pri=3 0 0 That might help (well.. it did help for us as we have students from europe connecting for online classes), It it's a routing problem though, you will have to look for some other avenues. 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