From kinpaku@hotmail.com Tue Apr 2 01:54:20 2002 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 02 Apr 2002 01:54:21 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A915A288D3 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 01:54:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from hotmail.com (f218.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.218]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35FCE1A0832 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 01:51:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 23:51:39 -0800 Received: from 163.136.11.232 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 07:51:39 GMT X-Originating-IP: [163.136.11.232] From: "Mark Peterson" To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] manageing and logging guest accounts Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 07:51:39 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Apr 2002 07:51:39.0713 (UTC) FILETIME=[38ED4310:01C1DA1B] X-archive-position: 447 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: kinpaku@hotmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: kinpaku@hotmail.com List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore

Could any list members offer advice on how to set up guest accounts that can be logged?

Thanks for your time.

Mark Peterson Tokyo University of Technology

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From Lirvin@ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU Tue Apr 2 05:48:09 2002 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 02 Apr 2002 05:48:10 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 843FD288D3 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 05:48:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id DEC201A08CD for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 05:45:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from Ir191470 [10.1.11.21] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 05:45:11 CST From: "Lennie Irvin" To: Subject: [encore] Re: manageing and logging guest accounts Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 06:54:33 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C1DA13.3F235B00" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-archive-position: 448 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Lirvin@accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: Lirvin@accd.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C1DA13.3F235B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Mark, Others may have a better answer for this, but you could create your Guest accounts with special names by using the Wizard button and Accounts option. Then, to check the activity of these players you could use this command: @lastlog This will at least tell you the last time they logged in. I'm not sure how to get the whole history of activity on a single player (but I'd be interested to know). From peeking at the Wizard help, I did find this info (but I've never tried these commands): @guests now [shows information about currently connected guests] @guests all [shows all entries in $guest_log] @guests [shows the last entries of $guest_log] Note, some wizards prefer to use verbs on $guest_log manually, particularly :last(). I hope this helps. Lennie Irvin -----Original Message----- From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu]On Behalf Of Mark Peterson Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 11:52 PM To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] manageing and logging guest accounts Could any list members offer advice on how to set up guest accounts that can be logged? Thanks for your time. Mark Peterson Tokyo University of Technology ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C1DA13.3F235B00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi=20 Mark,

Others=20 may have a better answer for this, but you could create your Guest = accounts with=20 special names by using the Wizard button and Accounts option. = Then, to=20 check the activity of these players you could use this=20 command:

@lastlog <playername>

This=20 will at least tell you the last time they logged in. I'm not sure = how to=20 get the whole history of activity on a single player (but I'd be = interested to=20 know). From peeking at the Wizard help, I did find this info (but = I've=20 never tried these commands):

    @guests=20 now [shows information about currently connected = guests]
   =20 @guests all [shows all entries in $guest_log]
    = @guests=20 [shows the last entries of $guest_log]

    = Note,=20 some wizards prefer to use verbs on $guest_log manually, particularly=20 :last().

I hope this=20 helps.

Lennie = Irvin

-----Original Message-----
From: = encore-bounce@utdallas.edu=20 [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu]On Behalf Of Mark=20 Peterson
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 11:52 PM
To: = encore@utdallas.edu
Subject: [encore] manageing and logging = guest=20 accounts

Could any list members offer advice on how to set up guest = accounts=20 that can be logged?

Thanks for your=20 = time. &n= bsp; &nb= sp; &nbs= p; = ; = &= nbsp; &n= bsp;

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------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C1DA13.3F235B00-- From rtk@stargate.net Sat Apr 6 07:48:54 2002 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Sat, 06 Apr 2002 07:48:55 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1857288D3 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 07:48:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.141]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 768D71A0206 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 07:46:01 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 16974 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2002 13:45:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO t4k7j9) (144.80.92.30) by smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 6 Apr 2002 13:45:58 -0000 From: "Rob Koch Jr." To: Subject: [encore] Search for Dissertation Research Participants Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 08:55:38 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C1DD48.D27129E0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020318111955.00a42b00@mail.vt.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-archive-position: 449 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: rtk@stargate.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: rtk@stargate.net List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C1DD48.D27129E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I know that we're coming up on the end of the semester, but I was hoping I mihgt be able to get some of you who might be intersted to participate in the data collection for my dissertation. I'll need to do the following things. 1. Take a look at your MOO writing classrooms spaces (particularly for Liberal Arts level course such as Research Writing and Freshman Composition). With your permission, I can do this on my own. 2. Interview you in the MOO about what you do and why, and your teaching philosophy (will need to see syllabi as well). 3. Observe your writing classroom in action in MOOs -- only 1 representatiive class, or if you think there's a particular one I need to see, let me know. 4. Offer to, and if they accept, interview your students about what they learn from writing in MOOs. Here's the official request. If you think of anyone who might be interested who may not be on the enCore List, feel free to pass this on. ----- Dear College or University Writing Teachers on the EnCore List: I have begun work on my dissertation, entitled MOO Stories: A Collection of Case Studies on Teaching Writing in Object-Oriented Multi-User Domains, which will hopefully serve as a guidebook for teachers planning and conducting classes and activities in MOOs. I am looking for participants who would be interested in sharing their experiences teaching in a MOO via interview in your home MOO, and who will also allow me to observe your MOO writing classroom in action. If you are interested in participating, please send me a private e-mail at exljvab@iup.edu (please do not respond to the larger list!). If I hear back from you, I will send you additional information about the study and a form to sign indicating that you are willing to participate. Thanks much, and I look forward to hearing from you! Rob Koch Jr. Doctoral Candidate Indiana University of PA Composition & TESOL Program exljvab@iup.edu ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C1DD48.D27129E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi = all,

I know that we're = coming up on=20 the end of the semester, but I was hoping I mihgt be able to get some of = you who=20 might be intersted to participate in the data collection for my=20 dissertation. I'll need to do the following = things.

1. Take a = look at your=20 MOO writing classrooms spaces (particularly for Liberal Arts level = course such=20 as Research Writing and Freshman Composition). With your = permission, I can=20 do this on my own.

2. = Interview you in the=20 MOO about what you do and why, and your teaching philosophy (will = need to=20 see syllabi as well).

3. Observe = your writing=20 classroom in action in MOOs -- only 1 representatiive class, or if you = think=20 there's a particular one I need to see, let me know.

4. Offer = to, and if they=20 accept, interview your students about what they learn from writing = in=20 MOOs.

Here's the = official=20 request. If you think of anyone who might be interested who may = not be on=20 the enCore List, feel free to pass this on.

-----

Dear College or University = Writing=20 Teachers on the EnCore List:

I have begun work = on my=20 dissertation, entitled MOO=20 Stories: A Collection of Case Studies on Teaching Writing in = Object-Oriented=20 Multi-User Domains, which will = hopefully serve=20 as a guidebook for teachers planning and conducting classes and = activities in=20 MOOs.

I = am looking=20 for participants who would be interested in sharing their experiences = teaching=20 in a MOO via interview in your home MOO, and who will also allow me to = observe=20 your MOO writing classroom in action. =20 If you are interested in participating, please send me a private = e-mail=20 at exljvab@iup.edu = (please do not=20 respond to the larger list!).

If I hear back from = you, I will=20 send you additional information about the study and a form to sign = indicating=20 that you are willing to participate.

Thanks much, and I = look forward=20 to hearing from you!

Rob Koch Jr.

Doctoral = Candidate

Indiana University of = PA

Composition & = TESOL=20 Program

exljvab@iup.edu

------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C1DD48.D27129E0-- From jason.nolan@utoronto.ca Sat Apr 6 09:19:04 2002 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Sat, 06 Apr 2002 09:19:05 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3487B288D2 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 09:19:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from tomts11-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts11.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.55]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 147901A0192 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 09:16:16 -0600 (CST) Received: from [10.0.1.2] ([64.229.128.34]) by tomts11-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020406151615.JQIF10141.tomts11-srv.bellnexxia.net@[10.0.1.2]> for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 10:16:15 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jason.nolan@mailbox91.utcc.utoronto.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 10:01:04 -0500 To: Encore Mailing List From: JASON NOLAN Subject: [encore] Re: Search for Dissertation Research Participants Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-archive-position: 450 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jason.nolan@utoronto.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jason.nolan@utoronto.ca List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore This is both a directed to Rob and general question to the list... what are the ethical review requirements that your school puts on research on human subjects in virtual environments? Is there an informed consent protocol and rights to withdraw from studies? My school falls under the same guidelines as medical research, so I know that we're as strict as can be, but I know that some schools don't give the slightest thought to the ethics of data collection, so I'm curious... that and I've done some presentations on the topic, and am planning a book chapter. Jason -- Jason Nolan PhD Scholar in Residence, Knowledge Media Design Institute University of Toronto http://achieve.utoronto.ca/jason/ (416)978-5656/3884f ICQ: 6238593 From rtk@stargate.net Sat Apr 6 21:03:44 2002 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Sat, 06 Apr 2002 21:03:45 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D00B4288A6 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 21:03:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.141]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 6128F1A047D for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 21:00:44 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 23553 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2002 03:00:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO t4k7j9) (144.80.92.30) by smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 7 Apr 2002 03:00:43 -0000 From: "Rob Koch Jr." To: , "Encore Mailing List" Subject: [encore] Re: Search for Dissertation Research Participants Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 22:10:19 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-archive-position: 451 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: rtk@stargate.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: rtk@stargate.net List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi all, The IUP Institutional review Board for the Portection of Human Subjects ok'd this research this past week. For those of you familiar, it went under an expedited review.... there are specific and easy procedures for informed consent and for withdrawal. I can go over these in greater detail with interested participants. Incidentally, it appears that IUP is just starting to really deal with online data collection, but it still seems to be on a case-by-case basis. More information to come... Rob -----Original Message----- From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu]On Behalf Of JASON NOLAN Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 10:01 AM To: Encore Mailing List Subject: [encore] Re: Search for Dissertation Research Participants This is both a directed to Rob and general question to the list... what are the ethical review requirements that your school puts on research on human subjects in virtual environments? Is there an informed consent protocol and rights to withdraw from studies? My school falls under the same guidelines as medical research, so I know that we're as strict as can be, but I know that some schools don't give the slightest thought to the ethics of data collection, so I'm curious... that and I've done some presentations on the topic, and am planning a book chapter. Jason -- Jason Nolan PhD Scholar in Residence, Knowledge Media Design Institute University of Toronto http://achieve.utoronto.ca/jason/ (416)978-5656/3884f ICQ: 6238593 From herve@hawaii.edu Sat Apr 6 21:43:03 2002 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Sat, 06 Apr 2002 21:43:04 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23DF4288A1 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 21:43:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from rapidash.its.hawaii.edu (rapidash.its.hawaii.edu [128.171.94.83]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEFB41A02CC for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 21:40:14 -0600 (CST) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail.hawaii.edu by mail.hawaii.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) id <0GU600901HST7J@mail.hawaii.edu>; Sat, 06 Apr 2002 17:40:13 -1000 (HST) Received: from uhunix2 (uhunix2.its.hawaii.edu [128.171.44.7]) by mail.hawaii.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GU60087CI7151@mail.hawaii.edu>; Sat, 06 Apr 2002 17:40:13 -1000 (HST) Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 17:40:13 -1000 (HST) From: rv Subject: [encore] Re: Search for Dissertation Research Participants In-reply-to: X-X-Sender: To: encore@utdallas.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-LATIN-1 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-archive-position: 452 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: herve@hawaii.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: herve@hawaii.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore We've been doing some online surveys using MOO (anonymous and non-anonymous) for several years now; the beginning was experimental, but it's getting better and better now: MOO parses data and does the analysis as well if needed (http://moo.kcc.hawaii.edu:2222) -rv, > Incidentally, it appears that IUP is just starting to really deal with > online data collection, but it still seems to be on a case-by-case basis. > More information to come... > > Rob > > -----Original Message----- > From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu]On > Behalf Of JASON NOLAN > Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 10:01 AM > To: Encore Mailing List > Subject: [encore] Re: Search for Dissertation Research Participants > > > This is both a directed to Rob and general question to the list... > what are the ethical review requirements that your school puts on > research on human subjects in virtual environments? Is there an > informed consent protocol and rights to withdraw from studies? > > My school falls under the same guidelines as medical research, so I > know that we're as strict as can be, but I know that some schools > don't give the slightest thought to the ethics of data collection, so > I'm curious... that and I've done some presentations on the topic, > and am planning a book chapter. > > Jason > -- > Jason Nolan PhD > Scholar in Residence, > Knowledge Media Design Institute > University of Toronto > http://achieve.utoronto.ca/jason/ > (416)978-5656/3884f > ICQ: 6238593 > > > > Nam=E1ri=EB, -rv, /-----------------------------------------\ MOOOOOooo...! @ http://moo.kcc.hawaii.edu / "A T=FArin Turambar turun ambartanen", T. From kschwien@gemini.tcd.ie Mon Apr 8 04:10:06 2002 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 08 Apr 2002 04:10:07 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE11288CF for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 04:10:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dux1.tcd.ie (dux1.tcd.ie [134.226.1.23]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92B661A0348 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 04:07:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lcs090199 (lcs090199.artsl.tcd.ie [134.226.90.199]) by dux1.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3174F6C9; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 10:07:07 +0100 (IST) From: "Klaus Schwienhorst" To: herve@hawaii.edu Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 10:08:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Comments: Sender has elected to use 8-bit data in this message. If problems arise, refer to postmaster at sender's site. Subject: [encore] Re: Search for Dissertation Research Participants Cc: encore@utdallas.edu Priority: normal References: In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Message-Id: <20020408090707.3174F6C9@dux1.tcd.ie> X-archive-position: 453 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: kschwien@tcd.ie Precedence: bulk Reply-to: kschwien@tcd.ie List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore We have been collecting MOO data (transcripts, MOOmails, Notebook/Learner diaries, object creations, etc.) from our language learning projects for the past three years now. The data has been used for two PhD theses and an MPhil dissertation, as well as a whole range of publications. At the beginning of the projects, we handed round a permissions list, where learners would sign if they did not mind us using the data for analysis. Any data from a student who did not sign (usually only 1-3 students out of 80) was of course not considered. I heard this is usually much more complicated in the US, but this is how we do it in Trinity College Dublin, Ireland. Klaus > > We've been doing some online surveys using MOO (anonymous and > non-anonymous) for several years now; the beginning was experimental, > but it's getting better and better now: MOO parses data and does the > analysis as well if needed (http://moo.kcc.hawaii.edu:2222) -rv, > > > Incidentally, it appears that IUP is just starting to really deal > > with online data collection, but it still seems to be on a > > case-by-case basis. More information to come... > > > > Rob > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu > > [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu]On Behalf Of JASON NOLAN Sent: > > Saturday, April 06, 2002 10:01 AM To: Encore Mailing List Subject: > > [encore] Re: Search for Dissertation Research Participants > > > > > > This is both a directed to Rob and general question to the list... > > what are the ethical review requirements that your school puts on > > research on human subjects in virtual environments? Is there an > > informed consent protocol and rights to withdraw from studies? > > > > My school falls under the same guidelines as medical research, so I > > know that we're as strict as can be, but I know that some schools > > don't give the slightest thought to the ethics of data collection, > > so I'm curious... that and I've done some presentations on the > > topic, and am planning a book chapter. > > > > Jason > > -- > > Jason Nolan PhD > > Scholar in Residence, > > Knowledge Media Design Institute > > University of Toronto > > http://achieve.utoronto.ca/jason/ > > (416)978-5656/3884f > > ICQ: 6238593 > > > > > > > > > > Nam�ri�, > -rv, > > /-----------------------------------------\ > MOOOOOooo...! @ http://moo.kcc.hawaii.edu / > "A T�rin Turambar turun ambartanen", T. > > ------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Klaus Schwienhorst Language Modules Co-ordinator Centre for Language and Communication Studies Arts Building Trinity College Dublin 2 Ireland Phone: Ireland +1 6083525 FAX: Ireland +1 6772694 Email: kschwien@tcd.ie MOO: Klaus at CLCS Campus (http://kontakt.tcd.ie:8000) Homepage: http://www.tcd.ie/CLCS/assistants/kschwien.html ------------------------------------------------------- From jason.nolan@utoronto.ca Tue Apr 9 08:37:09 2002 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 09 Apr 2002 08:37:10 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33A64288AA for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 08:37:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tomts19-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts19.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.73]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15F0B1A04A6 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 08:34:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [10.0.1.2] ([64.229.128.196]) by tomts19-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020409133415.BDYE19941.tomts19-srv.bellnexxia.net@[10.0.1.2]>; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 09:34:15 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jason.nolan@mailbox91.utcc.utoronto.ca Message-Id: Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 09:33:03 -0400 To: Encore Mailing List From: JASON NOLAN Subject: [encore] MOOca 3.1 released Cc: Dave 'Zanid' Goulden Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-archive-position: 454 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jason.nolan@utoronto.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jason.nolan@utoronto.ca List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Dave Goulden just released Mooca 3.1. Mooca is the java applet that we use in Project Achieve. We've not updated our version to 3.1 yet, as we're doing some more testing with OSX, but it is available if you use it on your moo. Check out the link for more information. Thanks Dave! -- Jason Nolan PhD Scholar in Residence, Knowledge Media Design Institute University of Toronto http://achieve.utoronto.ca/jason/ (416)978-5656/3884f ICQ: 6238593 From lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Tue Apr 9 09:37:48 2002 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 09 Apr 2002 09:37:49 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF879288E2 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 09:37:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id E55AA1A06F6 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 09:34:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from GH208-LIRVIN.accdvm.accd.edu [10.11.14.204] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Tue, 09 Apr 2002 09:34:57 CST Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020409092729.00a74a68@accdvm.accd.edu> X-Sender: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 09:33:41 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Lennie Irvin Subject: [encore] Re: MOOca 3.1 released In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-archive-position: 455 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Thanks Jason and Dave for the Mooca update. I have a couple rather basic question, so please pardon my ignorance. I am interested in learning more about Mooca to see if I want to use it with my own encore MOO. Questions: What does MOOca or MOOtcan do? What is the difference between MOOca and MOOtcan? Benefits? Compatibility issues? How would I install and use MOOca instead of MOOtcan if I wished to? If I am using MOOca and EnCore uses MOOtcan, would it impact my MOO when I upgraded my EnCore MOO to a newer version of EnCore? Sorry for the simpleton questions--feel free to point me where I can find some of these answers on my own. Thanks, Lennie At 09:33 AM 4/9/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Dave Goulden just released Mooca >3.1. Mooca is the java applet that we use in Project Achieve. We've not >updated our version to 3.1 yet, as we're doing some more testing with OSX, >but it is available if you use it on your moo. Check out the link for more >information. Thanks Dave! >-- >Jason Nolan PhD >Scholar in Residence, >Knowledge Media Design Institute >University of Toronto >http://achieve.utoronto.ca/jason/ >(416)978-5656/3884f >ICQ: 6238593 From rtk@stargate.net Tue Apr 9 22:45:30 2002 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 09 Apr 2002 22:45:31 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59A44288E8 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 22:45:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.141]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 647861A0C19 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 22:42:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 14924 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2002 03:42:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO t4k7j9) (144.80.92.30) by smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 10 Apr 2002 03:42:30 -0000 From: "Rob Koch Jr." To: Subject: [encore] Dissertation Research Study -- more information Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 23:52:13 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-archive-position: 456 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: rtk@stargate.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: rtk@stargate.net List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi all, I am reposting this to the list because I have heard that some list members never saw the initial request. I would also like to add that if you are teaching writing during the Summer sessions and are using MOOs, you would still qualify to participate in this study, and I would still be interested in hearing from you. Best, Rob mailto:exljvab@iup.edu Again, here's what I'll be looking at, followed by the official call for participants. > 1. Take a look at your MOO writing classrooms spaces (particularly for > Liberal Arts level course such as Research Writing and Freshman > Composition). With your permission, I can do this on my own. > 2. Interview you in the MOO about what you do and why, and your > teaching > philosophy (will need to see syllabi as well). > 3. Observe your writing classroom in action in MOOs -- only 1 > representatiive class, or if you think there's a particular one I need > to > see, let me know. > 4. Offer to, and if they accept, interview your students about what > they > learn from writing in MOOs. > > Here's the official request. If you think of anyone who might be > interested > who may not be on the enCore List, feel free to pass this on. > > ----- > > Dear College or University Writing Teachers on the EnCore List: > > I have begun work on my dissertation, entitled MOO Stories: A > Collection of > Case Studies on Teaching Writing in Object-Oriented Multi-User Domains, > which will hopefully serve as a guidebook for teachers planning and > conducting classes and activities in MOOs. > > I am looking for participants who would be interested in sharing their > experiences teaching in a MOO via interview in your home MOO, and who > will > also allow me to observe your MOO writing classroom in action. If you > are > interested in participating, please send me a private e-mail at > mailto:exljvab@iup.edu (please do not respond to the larger list!). > > If I hear back from you, I will send you additional information about > the > study and a form to sign indicating that you are willing to participate. > > Thanks much, and I look forward to hearing from you! > > Rob Koch Jr. > Doctoral Candidate > Indiana University of PA > Composition & TESOL Program > mailto:exljvab@iup.edu > > From egoff@mindspring.com Thu Apr 11 18:24:24 2002 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:24:25 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DF95288CF for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:24:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87E9219FFF1 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:21:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from user-2ivetdn.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.117.183] helo=master) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16vnsZ-0000M8-00; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:21:23 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020411192240.00da4198@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: egoff@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:22:40 -0400 To: jason.nolan@utoronto.ca, Encore Mailing List From: Edward Goff Subject: [encore] Re: MOOca 3.1 released Cc: Dave 'Zanid' Goulden In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-archive-position: 457 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: egoff@mindspring.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: egoff@mindspring.com List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Interesting. What is it? At 09:33 AM 4/9/2002 -0400, JASON NOLAN wrote: >Dave Goulden just released href="http://www.zanid.com/mooca/">Mooca 3.1. Mooca is the java >applet that we use in Project Achieve. We've not updated our version >to 3.1 yet, as we're doing some more testing with OSX, but it is >available if you use it on your moo. Check out the link for more >information. Thanks Dave! >-- >Jason Nolan PhD >Scholar in Residence, >Knowledge Media Design Institute >University of Toronto >http://achieve.utoronto.ca/jason/ >(416)978-5656/3884f >ICQ: 6238593 > > From jason.nolan@utoronto.ca Thu Apr 11 18:38:26 2002 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:38:27 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2642F288CF for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:38:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts6.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.26]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DA9B1A03D8 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:35:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [10.0.1.7] ([64.229.128.234]) by tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020411233527.BIOO2606.tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@[10.0.1.7]>; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:35:27 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jason.nolan@mailbox91.utcc.utoronto.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20020411192240.00da4198@pop.mindspring.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20020411192240.00da4198@pop.mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:35:29 -0400 To: Edward Goff , Encore Mailing List From: JASON NOLAN Subject: [encore] Re: MOOca 3.1 released Cc: Dave 'Zanid' Goulden Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-archive-position: 458 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jason.nolan@utoronto.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jason.nolan@utoronto.ca List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore It is an alternative java applet to Sindre's MOOtcan. We developed it for our core, and then massaged it to work with Jan's Xpress interface in 1999. It has some different features to MOOtcan, but as both are stable and useful tools, it is merely presented as an alternative. I thought for a while that MOOtcan was no longer under development, but I think it is now. MOOca is still under development, and works under MacOSX, with minor cosmetic problems. I think MOOt does not at the moment, but I think that it is coming soon. Jason At 7:22 PM -0400 4/11/02, Edward Goff wrote: >Interesting. What is it? > >At 09:33 AM 4/9/2002 -0400, JASON NOLAN wrote: >>Dave Goulden just released >href="http://www.zanid.com/mooca/">Mooca 3.1. Mooca is the java >>applet that we use in Project Achieve. We've not updated our version >>to 3.1 yet, as we're doing some more testing with OSX, but it is >>available if you use it on your moo. Check out the link for more >>information. Thanks Dave! >>-- >>Jason Nolan PhD >>Scholar in Residence, >>Knowledge Media Design Institute > >University of Toronto > >http://achieve.utoronto.ca/jason/ > >(416)978-5656/3884f > >ICQ: 6238593 > > > > -- Jason Nolan PhD Scholar in Residence, Knowledge Media Design Institute University of Toronto http://achieve.utoronto.ca/jason/ (416)978-5656/3884f ICQ: 6238593 From cynthiah@utdallas.edu Thu Apr 11 20:15:17 2002 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:15:17 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1294288D4 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:15:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [10.0.1.8] (66-169-102-225.ftwrth.tx.charter.com [66.169.102.225]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF74D1A14A6; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:12:18 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:12:23 -0500 Subject: [encore] Re: MOOca 3.1 released From: Cynthia Haynes To: , Edward Goff , encore Cc: Dave 'Zanid' Goulden Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 459 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: cynthiah@utdallas.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: cynthiah@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi Jason and all, FYI MOOtcan does now work with Mac OS X, though the text sometimes does not wrap, so you have to turn @wrap on. Other than that it's working fine for me and Jan. I expect X will continue to improve the JAVA implementation. Best, Cynthia __Cynthia Haynes, Director of Rhetoric and Writing___________________ University of Texas at Dallas cynthiah@utdallas.edu School of Arts & Humanities http://www.utdallas.edu/~cynthiah PO Box 830688-JO 31 http://lingua.utdallas.edu:7000 Richardson, TX 75083-0688 (O)972-883-6340 (F)972-883-2989 From jason.nolan@utoronto.ca Thu Apr 11 20:46:39 2002 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:46:40 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B54A52878D for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:46:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts9.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.53]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FDDE1A1472; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:43:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [10.0.1.7] ([64.229.128.234]) by tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020412014340.DEIF15905.tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net@[10.0.1.7]>; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:43:40 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jason.nolan@mailbox91.utcc.utoronto.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:43:42 -0400 To: cynthiah@utdallas.edu, Edward Goff , encore From: JASON NOLAN Subject: [encore] Re: MOOca 3.1 released Cc: Dave 'Zanid' Goulden Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-archive-position: 460 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jason.nolan@utoronto.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jason.nolan@utoronto.ca List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Must just be me... At 8:12 PM -0500 4/11/02, Cynthia Haynes wrote: >Hi Jason and all, > FYI MOOtcan does now work with Mac OS X, though the text sometimes does >not wrap, so you have to turn @wrap on. Other than that it's working fine >for me and Jan. I expect X will continue to improve the JAVA implementation. > >Best, > >Cynthia From lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Fri Apr 12 10:57:00 2002 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:57:01 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B86B288D9 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:56:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 25A991A173F for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:53:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from GH208-LIRVIN.accdvm.accd.edu [10.11.14.204] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:53:41 CDT Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020412104439.00a8d170@accdvm.accd.edu> X-Sender: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:52:45 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Lennie Irvin Subject: [encore] AOL/Netscape6 compatibility question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-archive-position: 461 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi Everyone, I have recently noticed more of my students complaining of not being able to log in to AlaMOO, the EnCore MOO I use here in San Antonio. As I question them, almost all of them are AOL users, presumably using the AOL/Netscape browser. I usually use Internet Explorer, but I recently downloaded Netscape 6 (6.2 I think) on my computer and I wouldn't access the moo at first. To get it to work I had to download and install the JAVA 2 plug in. Once I did that, it worked fine. Since I found this solution, I have been pointing my students with login problems to this plug in. The standard requirements blurb with EnCore says Netscape Communicator 4.08 or later. Has anyone else experienced the need for this plug in with the most recent versions of Netscape? Does anyone know what is going on? I also seem to be experiencing this recently--students who said they could get in earlier are suddenly having problems (I presume they made some changes to their browser or system...). Thanks for any light you can shed on this subject. Lennie Irvin San Antonio College From roversi@scform.unibo.it Sun Apr 14 05:41:43 2002 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Sun, 14 Apr 2002 05:41:46 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9A36288AA for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 05:41:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ipazia.economia.unibo.it (ipazia.economia.unibo.it [137.204.174.2]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC8871A0B0B for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 05:38:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (tc52.pppnet.unibo.it [137.204.33.52]) by ipazia.economia.unibo.it (Postfix) with SMTP id F05DE1475C4 for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 12:34:55 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Antonio Roversi To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Log in Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 18:25:25 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02041218252600.01123@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-archive-position: 462 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: roversi@scform.unibo.it Precedence: bulk Reply-to: roversi@scform.unibo.it List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore I would add that it is not possible to log in to any enCore MOO using browsers like Opera, Mozilla and Konqueror. That's means that anyone using OS Linux doesn't have access to any enCore MOO. Regards Antonio >have recently noticed more of my students complaining of not being able >to log in to AlaMOO, the EnCore MOO I use here in San Antonio. As I >question them, almost all of them are AOL users, presumably using the >AOL/Netscape browser. I usually use Internet Explorer, but I recently >downloaded Netscape 6 (6.2 I think) on my computer and I wouldn't access >the moo at first. To get it to work I had to download and install the JAVA >2 plug in. Once I did that, it worked fine. Since I found this solution, >I have been pointing my students with login problems to this plug in. >The standard requirements blurb with EnCore says Netscape Communicator 4.08 >or later. Has anyone else experienced the need for this plug in with the >most recent versions of Netscape? Does anyone know what is going on? I >also seem to be experiencing this recently--students who said they could >get in earlier are suddenly having problems (I presume they made some >changes to their browser or system...). >Thanks for any light you can shed on this subject. >Lennie Irvin >San Antonio College From frank@modell.iig.uni-freiburg.de Sun Apr 14 07:37:52 2002 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Sun, 14 Apr 2002 07:37:53 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29AC5288AA for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 07:37:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tolkien.iig.uni-freiburg.de (tolkien.iig.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.19.20]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ACAF1A0B72 for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 07:34:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lem.iig.uni-freiburg.de (lem [132.230.19.14]) by tolkien.iig.uni-freiburg.de (8.9.3+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA13199; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 14:34:44 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 14:34:41 +0200 (MEST) From: Frank Roehr X-X-Sender: To: Antonio Roversi Cc: Subject: [encore] Re: Log in In-Reply-To: <02041218252600.01123@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 463 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: frank@modell.iig.uni-freiburg.de Precedence: bulk Reply-to: frank@modell.iig.uni-freiburg.de List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, Antonio Roversi wrote: > I would add that it is not possible to log in to any enCore MOO using > browsers like Opera, Mozilla and Konqueror. That's means that anyone using OS > Linux doesn't have access to any enCore MOO. > > Regards > > Antonio I think the best way to access a moo is via telnet, using a good MUDclient like TinyFugue. ;-) (OK, then you don't need enCore...) This is always possible, using any OS. Anyway, Netscape 6.0 is a totally other thing than the 4.something Netscapes. The 6.0 version is a new development. I use Netscape 4.77 within SUSE Linux 7.0 with KDE 2.0 and have no problems - well, one problem: If I idle too long, I get disconnected. Anyway, since I almost only use TinyFugue this is no handicap to me.... Regards Frank (humni@JurMOO) - -- Frank Roehr Institut fuer Informatik und Gesellschaft Abteilung Modellbildung und soziale Folgen Tel: 0761 - 203 - 4971 mailto:frank@modell.iig.uni-freiburg.de PGP Key downloadable: http://lem.iig.uni-freiburg.de/pgp/frank.asc ,,Life is a party, but most people are not invited.'' Cult of Extacy, Mage: The Ascension -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3in Charset: noconv Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.75-6 iQDVAwUBPLl3Yymu6c3J2y2DAQFOkgX9FSWMX0FXOcKlSdgY1x509Lzhcaw/Wu3s WSXmUJAgyRCzQum9ZgnwGTBz82OH8+mWwxQuvK1A7Bvk6CKvDE6zcN+7zQvqgl4H b0R90hK8LbIu3heTfmOonvydpvyMw8qJHYTL1W1frchEao3/MnhD/nDS8LCp67st eQCwfVEoJE3MtsugZpBok/EqGckKLTCuOilO/CPjnUYVv6g1T5sgacR8E40FL9TK i4TZFYsA3qdkBpKd6JbE9UY5aChJnYHn =3fX+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jason.nolan@utoronto.ca Sun Apr 14 07:39:22 2002 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Sun, 14 Apr 2002 07:39:23 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05124288AA for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 07:39:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tomts24-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts24-srv.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.187]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E07701A0B73 for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 07:36:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [10.0.1.2] ([64.229.128.166]) by tomts24-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020414123618.GBHB5285.tomts24-srv.bellnexxia.net@[10.0.1.2]>; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 08:36:18 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jason.nolan@mailbox91.utcc.utoronto.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <02041218252600.01123@localhost.localdomain> References: <02041218252600.01123@localhost.localdomain> Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 08:32:30 -0400 To: roversi@scform.unibo.it, Encore Mailing List From: JASON NOLAN Subject: [encore] Re: Log in Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-archive-position: 464 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jason.nolan@utoronto.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jason.nolan@utoronto.ca List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore NS works on linux last time I checked, and I've been teaching Xpress GUI based-MOO workshops on linux workstations for more than 4 years. There is some minor strangeness, but nothing that makes it unuseful. You can blame the fact that many browsers don't do a good implementation of Java, but that's not Jan and Cynthia's fault. I can't use Opera or iCab to access an Encore moo on a Mac either, but that's the browser's fault. Strangely enough, most of the limitations of Encore are the browser's fault, and most of the struggles of people working on things like Encore are to work around them. J >I would add that it is not possible to log in to any enCore MOO using >browsers like Opera, Mozilla and Konqueror. That's means that anyone using OS >Linux doesn't have access to any enCore MOO. > >Regards > >Antonio > >>have recently noticed more of my students complaining of not being able >>to log in to AlaMOO, the EnCore MOO I use here in San Antonio. As I >>question them, almost all of them are AOL users, presumably using the >>AOL/Netscape browser. I usually use Internet Explorer, but I recently >>downloaded Netscape 6 (6.2 I think) on my computer and I wouldn't access >>the moo at first. To get it to work I had to download and install the JAVA >>2 plug in. Once I did that, it worked fine. Since I found this solution, >>I have been pointing my students with login problems to this plug in. > >>The standard requirements blurb with EnCore says Netscape Communicator 4.08 >>or later. Has anyone else experienced the need for this plug in with the >>most recent versions of Netscape? Does anyone know what is going on? I >>also seem to be experiencing this recently--students who said they could >>get in earlier are suddenly having problems (I presume they made some >>changes to their browser or system...). > > >Thanks for any light you can shed on this subject. > > >Lennie Irvin > >San Antonio College From kinpaku@hotmail.com Fri Apr 19 03:29:29 2002 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 19 Apr 2002 03:29:30 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B45432876A for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 03:29:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f46.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.46]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58B461A0AF6 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 03:26:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 01:26:19 -0700 Received: from 163.215.3.24 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 08:26:19 GMT X-Originating-IP: [163.215.3.24] From: "Mark Peterson" To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] seeking partner for enCore learning project Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 08:26:19 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Apr 2002 08:26:19.0906 (UTC) FILETIME=[E1D74620:01C1E77B] X-archive-position: 465 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: kinpaku@hotmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: kinpaku@hotmail.com List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore I`m currently looking for a partner class for a second language learning (ESL) project that is based on an enCore MOO. I am hoping to start this project as soon as possibe. If any list members think they can help, do contact me off list at the following address: mark@cc.teu.ac.jp Thanks for your time Regards Mark Peterson Tokyo University of Technology _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From kschwien@gemini.tcd.ie Tue Apr 23 09:15:43 2002 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:15:44 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 870AB288B2 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:15:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dux1.tcd.ie (dux1.tcd.ie [134.226.1.23]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 048241A0902 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:12:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lcs090199 (lcs090199.artsl.tcd.ie [134.226.90.199]) by dux1.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17E345AA; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:12:25 +0100 (IST) From: "Klaus Schwienhorst" To: kinpaku@hotmail.com Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:13:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [encore] Re: seeking partner for enCore learning project Cc: encore@utdallas.edu Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Message-Id: <20020423141225.17E345AA@dux1.tcd.ie> X-archive-position: 466 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: kschwien@tcd.ie Precedence: bulk Reply-to: kschwien@tcd.ie List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore If you are planning to run a bilingual tandem project, try the International Tandem Network at http://www.tcd.ie/CLCS/tandem/ Regards, Klaus > I`m currently looking for a partner class for a second language > learning (ESL) project that is based on an enCore MOO. I am hoping to > start this project as soon as possibe. If any list members think they > can help, do contact me off list at the following address: > > mark@cc.teu.ac.jp > > Thanks for your time > Regards > Mark Peterson > Tokyo University of Technology > > _________________________________________________________________ Chat > with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > ------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Klaus Schwienhorst Language Modules Co-ordinator Centre for Language and Communication Studies Arts Building Trinity College Dublin 2 Ireland Phone: Ireland +1 6083525 FAX: Ireland +1 6772694 Email: kschwien@tcd.ie MOO: Klaus at CLCS Campus (http://kontakt.tcd.ie:8000) Homepage: http://www.tcd.ie/CLCS/assistants/kschwien.html ------------------------------------------------------- From grhager@zubi.com Tue Apr 30 10:06:24 2002 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 30 Apr 2002 10:06:25 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5305288A8 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 10:06:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bizweb.net (rrcs-midsouth-24-199-155-66.biz.rr.com [24.199.155.66]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 056951A1437 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 10:02:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (192.168.1.10) by bizweb.net with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2.2); Tue, 30 Apr 2002 11:02:44 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: grhager@zubi.com@mail.bizweb.net Message-Id: Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 11:02:40 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: George Hager Subject: [encore] Doing More With Web Exits Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-archive-position: 467 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: grhager@zubi.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: grhager@zubi.com List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore I have a special terrain room that I'm modifying to work with Encore. It is basically a grid with x and y coordinates, which helps save on database space. When a player enters a terrain, the exit he/she takes is supposed to set the x and y coordinates of the player to correspond with the x and y coordinates of the grid destination. This works fine through the telnet commands, because the exit's "move" verb is invoked.. But in the Web frame, the exit just sends the player to the room, coordinates unmodified. How do I get the Web exit links to invoke a verb that sets x & y on the player, as well as move the player to the destination? From grhager@zubi.com Tue Apr 30 10:55:34 2002 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 30 Apr 2002 10:55:35 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12EFC288A8 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 10:55:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bizweb.net (rrcs-midsouth-24-199-155-66.biz.rr.com [24.199.155.66]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14B0E1A0CE7 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 10:52:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (192.168.1.10) by bizweb.net with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2.2); Tue, 30 Apr 2002 11:52:03 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: grhager@zubi.com@mail.bizweb.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 11:52:00 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: George Hager Subject: [encore] Re: Doing More With Web Exits Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-archive-position: 468 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: grhager@zubi.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: grhager@zubi.com List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Thanks. That's a great idea for using the web interface, but I actually need to be able to set some properties inside the MOO database whenever an exit is clicked. No doubt a verb is called when a web exit is selected, since the player is moved, but the verb doesn't seem to be $exit:move. If someone could tell me the sequence of events (verb calls) in response to a web exit click, I might be able to rig something. From frank@modell.iig.uni-freiburg.de Tue Apr 30 12:48:35 2002 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 30 Apr 2002 12:48:36 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 278E52878D for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 12:48:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tolkien.iig.uni-freiburg.de (tolkien.iig.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.19.20]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3225C1A13C7 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 12:45:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lem.iig.uni-freiburg.de (lem [132.230.19.14]) by tolkien.iig.uni-freiburg.de (8.9.3+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA02135; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 19:44:59 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 19:44:56 +0200 (MEST) From: Frank Roehr X-X-Sender: To: George Hager Cc: Subject: [encore] Re: Doing More With Web Exits In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 469 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: frank@modell.iig.uni-freiburg.de Precedence: bulk Reply-to: frank@modell.iig.uni-freiburg.de List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hi George, one verb that is called and which I use for a similar purpose (I use to log every action in my moo for evaluation, so I need to know whether this happens also) is $encore_web_utils:move_via_web ($encore_web_utils is #125 in my moo, but I'm ot sure wether that's the case always). Hope that helps. Frank (humni@jurmoo) - -- Frank Roehr Institut fuer Informatik und Gesellschaft Abteilung Modellbildung und soziale Folgen Tel: 0761 - 203 - 4971 mailto:frank@modell.iig.uni-freiburg.de PGP Key downloadable: http://lem.iig.uni-freiburg.de/pgp/frank.asc ,,Life is a party, but most people are not invited.'' Cult of Extacy, Mage: The Ascension -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3in Charset: noconv Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.75-6 iQDVAwUBPM7YGymu6c3J2y2DAQGJ9gX/VE8VRBqt3ks3k3icKeC6FiiXaT3kXhSA QHa9bSufLsjRV///EFmkCve1ai2Ro7H1d3qhraC0oIZliN0sNd+CFAatydtlCTyy EAnnA6vvjjqP0fk7R6Vgo0VMscqJekjXhmELZB5ughfxpV2zVqm5YAEap5J3OWeK 9hMjKaQ+cooTV/qde3cAbPamTpgsTivnOl8+CG7AVRT0N+ZzWEssjeI2+K2JS6lR 1jCzju1qhb0p+CDtv2BDGrCCBUreTBWs =HtXy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From grhager@zubi.com Tue Apr 30 13:56:53 2002 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 30 Apr 2002 13:56:54 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E282288A8 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 13:56:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bizweb.net (rrcs-midsouth-24-199-155-66.biz.rr.com [24.199.155.66]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B648A1A0EDD for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 13:53:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (192.168.1.10) by bizweb.net with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2.2); Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:53:24 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: grhager@zubi.com@mail.bizweb.net Message-Id: Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:53:20 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: George Hager Subject: [encore] Re: Doing More With Web Exits Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-archive-position: 470 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: grhager@zubi.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: grhager@zubi.com List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore $encore_web_utils:move_via_web That's it! Not only is that verb invoked, it already has every variable I need: player, origin, exit & destination. I had thought of another solution, but it involved adding two verbs to the room and a property to the player class. It also performed a redundant task on players moving via telnet commands -- a totally inferior solution. I only needed to add one "if" statement to $encore_web_utils:move_via_web to get it to work. Thanks. From lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Tue Apr 30 14:28:22 2002 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:28:23 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDDA22878D for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:28:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id AD3641A14E6 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:24:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from GH208-LIRVIN.accdvm.accd.edu [10.11.14.204] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:24:32 CDT Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020430140839.00b17248@accdvm.accd.edu> X-Sender: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:23:10 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Lennie Irvin Subject: [encore] Re: Doing More With Web Exits In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-archive-position: 471 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore George, I'd like to see what you are attempting to do here because I think it is more than what Emily was doing with Flash. I think I accomplish the same sort of thing Emily does simply with links in the description of a $web room/object. What I think you are pointing out is a sort of disconnect between the moo database and the Xpress interface that I have noticed in other places--specifically with descriptions of rooms or objects. Here are two examples of the disconnect that I'm talking about: I created a Letter object. Using the @describe command, I gave the letter a description. I edited the object using the Xpress Object Editor and in the Description text box I found the description I inputted. However, when I do the command LOOK LETTER or even click on the object, I don't see the description appear in the text side of the MOO. The description does not appear in the Xpress side of the MOO either--only the note text. When I log in using telnet, the descriptions appear when I LOOK LETTER. Similarly, I created a Generic Room. I gave the room some description both with the Xpress Editor and with the @describe command, but when I LOOK I don't get the description of the room to appear on the left text-side of the MOO. Again, I can get the description when I interface using a telnet connection. In the case of the ROOM, however, the description does appear in the Xpress window when I LOOK or click on the room link to go to it (or for that matter using the alias commands for exiting). Can anyone explain why I can't get the description of an object to appear in both the text and the web side of the MOO? Thanks for any enlightenment that can be provided. Lennie Irvin P.S. I am still running a version 2.1.1 EnCore moo. At 02:53 PM 4/30/2002 -0500, you wrote: >$encore_web_utils:move_via_web > >That's it! Not only is that verb invoked, it already has every variable I >need: player, origin, exit & destination. I had thought of another >solution, but it involved adding two verbs to the room and a property to >the player class. It also performed a redundant task on players moving via >telnet commands -- a totally inferior solution. > >I only needed to add one "if" statement to $encore_web_utils:move_via_web >to get it to work. Thanks. L. Lennie Irvin English Instructor, San Antonio College 1300 San Pedro Ave. San Antonio, TX 78212 Lirvin@accd.edu http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/lirvin.htm AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/index.htm From abartlet@U.Arizona.EDU Tue Apr 30 15:51:58 2002 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 30 Apr 2002 15:51:59 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 771C2288A8 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 15:51:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bast.u.arizona.edu (bast.U.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.225]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD8B1A15B5 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 15:48:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (abartlet@localhost) by bast.u.arizona.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g3UKmLU23790; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 13:48:21 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: bast.u.arizona.edu: abartlet owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 13:48:21 -0700 (MST) From: Anne E Bartlett To: Lennie Irvin Cc: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Re: Doing More With Web Exits In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020430140839.00b17248@accdvm.accd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 472 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: abartlet@U.Arizona.EDU Precedence: bulk Reply-to: abartlet@U.Arizona.EDU List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Lennie, I think the problem you are noticing is due to a property on every player called ts_client. The :look_self command on some verbs checks to see whether the .ts_client is set. This property is set to 1 when a player connects via Xpress (or I believe via the old Surf and Turf client). If the player is connected via Xpress then certain descriptions will not show up in the text window. You can probably edit this verb (on the various object classes) to suit your needs. I believe that is the only thing causing the descrepencies you noticed between Xpress and telnet, but I am not positive. Anne Bartlett OldPuebloMOO Administrator University of Arizona http://oldpueblomoo.arizona.edu:7000 On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Lennie Irvin wrote: > George, > > I'd like to see what you are attempting to do here because I think it is > more than what Emily was doing with Flash. I think I accomplish the same > sort of thing Emily does simply with links in the description of a $web > room/object. What I think you are pointing out is a sort of disconnect > between the moo database and the Xpress interface that I have noticed in > other places--specifically with descriptions of rooms or objects. > > Here are two examples of the disconnect that I'm talking about: > I created a Letter object. Using the @describe command, I gave the > letter a description. I edited the object using the Xpress Object Editor > and in the Description text box I found the description I > inputted. However, when I do the command LOOK LETTER or even click on the > object, I don't see the description appear in the text side of the > MOO. The description does not appear in the Xpress side of the MOO > either--only the note text. When I log in using telnet, the descriptions > appear when I LOOK LETTER. > > Similarly, I created a Generic Room. I gave the room some > description both with the Xpress Editor and with the @describe command, but > when I LOOK I don't get the description of the room to appear on > the left text-side of the MOO. Again, I can get the description when I > interface using a telnet connection. In the case of the ROOM, however, the > description does appear in the Xpress window when I LOOK or > click on the room link to go to it (or for that matter using the alias > commands for exiting). > > Can anyone explain why I can't get the description of an object to appear > in both the text and the web side of the MOO? > > Thanks for any enlightenment that can be provided. > > Lennie Irvin > > P.S. I am still running a version 2.1.1 EnCore moo. > > > > > At 02:53 PM 4/30/2002 -0500, you wrote: > >$encore_web_utils:move_via_web > > > >That's it! Not only is that verb invoked, it already has every variable I > >need: player, origin, exit & destination. I had thought of another > >solution, but it involved adding two verbs to the room and a property to > >the player class. It also performed a redundant task on players moving via > >telnet commands -- a totally inferior solution. > > > >I only needed to add one "if" statement to $encore_web_utils:move_via_web > >to get it to work. Thanks. > > L. Lennie Irvin > English Instructor, San Antonio College > 1300 San Pedro Ave. > San Antonio, TX 78212 > Lirvin@accd.edu > http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/lirvin.htm > > AlaMOO: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/index.htm > > >