From lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Tue Nov 6 11:43:30 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 06 Nov 2001 11:43:31 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5DB1288AE for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 11:43:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id C10CF1A0A34 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 11:43:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from gh208-lirvin [10.11.14.170] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Tue, 06 Nov 2001 11:43:22 CDT Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20011106113905.009dae30@accdvm.accd.edu> X-Sender: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 11:39:05 -0600 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Subject: [encore] Enhancing usability features Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-archive-position: 295 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi All, I have two questions/ideas about some usability enhancements that I would like to encorporate into my MOO. Mostly, these features are there to reduce the MOO-shock for new users. This MOO shock tends to take two forms: 1) they can't send a message because they are not familiar with the need for the "say" command. Even if they click to the say mode, many will delete the actual "say" word and type their message; 2) they don't know how to navigate--the spacial dimensions of the MOO are new and unknown to them. Here are my questions/ideas: 1) Make the SAY MODE automatic for guests (and maybe new users) and hide the word "say" in the text input box. For an example of what I am talking about, take a look at the Tapped In MOO. Log in as a Guest: http://www.tappedin.sri.com/ In this way, guests and new MOO users could communicate in the MOO exactly like they were in a yahoo or aol chat room--no commands necessary before the text. They adapted an eDUcore MOO; could we adapt our EnCore MOO this way also? Could this Guest Login/Say Mode feature be something that a new user could deactivate in their own options preferences? 2) Variable Guest login both for origination and destination Is it possible to have customized guest login sites that go directly to a specific place inside the MOO? Here is an example of what I am talking about from the Salt Lake Community College Online Writing Center and its MOO: The General SLCC Online Writing Center web page http://www.slcc.edu/wc/student/index.html The link off that Writing Center page directly into the MOO http://144.35.100.250:9000/moo/webchat.hmm Notice that his MOO also has some sort of way to automatically enter Guests into the MOO in a "say mode" but the guest does not have to type the word "say" in front of their words. What I am hoping to set up for my MOO is something exactly like the set up that Salt Lake Community College has. Does anyone have any ideas how we might go about programming these enhanced usability features (I have a programmer working for me, and I want to steer him toward this project)? Thanks for bearing with my long query! Lennie ____________________________________________ L.Lennie Irvin San Antonio College Department of English Office-phone: GH 208, (210)733-2522 Email: Lirvin@accd.edu Webpage: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/lirvin.htm AlaMOO: http://ranger.accd.edu:7000 From rselfe@mtu.edu Tue Nov 6 14:08:27 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 06 Nov 2001 14:08:28 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32C02288A6 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 14:08:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailoff.mtu.edu (mailoff.mtu.edu [141.219.70.111]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90CA01A0018 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 14:08:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.mtu.edu (campus4.mtu.edu [141.219.70.7]) by mailoff.mtu.edu (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id fA6K83L15617 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 15:08:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ginger.hu.mtu.edu (ginger.hu.mtu.edu [141.219.148.40]) by mail.mtu.edu (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id fA6K7Bt18570 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 15:07:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from [141.219.148.69] (beserker.hu.mtu.edu [141.219.148.69]) by ginger.hu.mtu.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/mturelay-2.0b) with ESMTP id PAA19163 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 15:07:57 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rselfe@mail.hu.mtu.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20011106113905.009dae30@accdvm.accd.edu> References: <3.0.6.32.20011106113905.009dae30@accdvm.accd.edu> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 15:06:57 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Dickie Selfe Subject: [encore] Re: Enhancing usability features Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-archive-position: 296 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: rselfe@mtu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Another usability (for newbies) issue: Is there a way to program color into the names of those talking so that names and conversation are more distinct? >Hi All, > >I have two questions/ideas about some usability enhancements that I would >like to encorporate into my MOO. Mostly, these features are there to >reduce the MOO-shock for new users. This MOO shock tends to take two >forms: 1) they can't send a message because they are not familiar with the >need for the "say" command. Even if they click to the say mode, many will >delete the actual "say" word and type their message; 2) they don't know how >to navigate--the spacial dimensions of the MOO are new and unknown to them. > >Here are my questions/ideas: > >1) Make the SAY MODE automatic for guests (and maybe new users) and hide >the word "say" in the text input box. > >For an example of what I am talking about, take a look at the Tapped In >MOO. Log in as a Guest: http://www.tappedin.sri.com/ > >In this way, guests and new MOO users could communicate in the MOO exactly >like they were in a yahoo or aol chat room--no commands necessary before >the text. > >They adapted an eDUcore MOO; could we adapt our EnCore MOO this way also? >Could this Guest Login/Say Mode feature be something that a new user could >deactivate in their own options preferences? > >2) Variable Guest login both for origination and destination > >Is it possible to have customized guest login sites that go directly to a >specific place inside the MOO? Here is an example of what I am talking >about from the Salt Lake Community College Online Writing Center and its MOO: > >The General SLCC Online Writing Center web page >http://www.slcc.edu/wc/student/index.html > >The link off that Writing Center page directly into the MOO >http://144.35.100.250:9000/moo/webchat.hmm > >Notice that his MOO also has some sort of way to automatically enter Guests >into the MOO in a "say mode" but the guest does not have to type the word >"say" in front of their words. > > >What I am hoping to set up for my MOO is something exactly like the set up >that Salt Lake Community College has. > >Does anyone have any ideas how we might go about programming these enhanced >usability features (I have a programmer working for me, and I want to steer >him toward this project)? > >Thanks for bearing with my long query! > >Lennie >____________________________________________ >L.Lennie Irvin >San Antonio College Department of English >Office-phone: GH 208, (210)733-2522 >Email: Lirvin@accd.edu >Webpage: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/lirvin.htm >AlaMOO: http://ranger.accd.edu:7000 -- Dickie Selfe (OO) Director of CCCCCCC LLLL iiii Center for Computer-Assisted Language Instruction CCCCCCCCC LLLL iiii +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ CCCC ccccc LLLL iiii 138 Walker Arts and Humanities Center CCCC cc LLLL iiii Michigan Technological University CCCC ccccc LLLL iiii Houghton, MI 49931 906-487-3225 CCCCCCCCC LLLLLLLLL CCCCCCC LLLLLLLLL "It's hard work to be a good geek!" -- Noel Maddy . From llk@mail.utexas.edu Tue Nov 6 14:44:56 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 06 Nov 2001 14:44:57 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62274288A6 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 14:44:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.utexas.edu (wb3-a.mail.utexas.edu [128.83.126.138]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id B90C01A049A for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 14:44:45 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 15426 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2001 20:43:41 -0000 Received: from cs6625169-137.austin.rr.com (HELO ?10.0.1.30?) (66.25.169.137) by umbs-smtp-3 with SMTP; 6 Nov 2001 20:43:41 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20011106113905.009dae30@accdvm.accd.edu> References: <3.0.6.32.20011106113905.009dae30@accdvm.accd.edu> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 14:43:40 -0600 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Laura Kramarsky Subject: [encore] Re: Enhancing usability features Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1207043075==_ma============" X-archive-position: 297 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: llk@mail.utexas.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore --============_-1207043075==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Lennie-- At 11:39 AM -0600 11/6/01, lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu wrote: >hide >the word "say" in the text input box. User preference would be a great idea, but a word of caution about disabling this feature overall: It takes only a second to tell students not to erase the "say" before they type, but leaving it there allows them to learn the idea of using commands. That little "say" is the most unthreatening way I have found to get them started using commands -- which are considerably faster and easier than clicking! Once they learn that "programming" in the MOO can be as easy as typing "say" before saying something, they start getting the whole idea of commands and exploring programming. One thing you might want to consider if you are going to change the command overall: perhaps instead of "say", you might substitute the quotation marks. Students would probably be less likely to erase those, they are more intuitive than the word "say" and they serve the same function as typing "say". Cheers, Laura -- --============_-1207043075==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: [encore] Enhancing usability features
Lennie--

At 11:39 AM -0600 11/6/01, lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu wrote:
hide
the word "say" in the text input box.

User preference would be a great idea, but a word of caution about disabling this feature overall:

It takes only a second to tell students not to erase the "say" before they type, but leaving it there allows them to learn the idea of using commands. That little "say" is the most unthreatening way I have found to get them started using commands -- which are considerably faster and easier than clicking! Once they learn that "programming" in the MOO can be as easy as typing "say" before saying something, they start getting the whole idea of commands and exploring programming.

One thing you might want to consider if you are going to change the command overall: perhaps instead of "say", you might substitute the quotation marks.  Students would probably be less likely to erase those, they are more intuitive than the word "say" and they serve the same function as typing "say".

Cheers,
Laura
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--============_-1207043075==_ma============-- From syverson@uts.cc.utexas.edu Tue Nov 6 16:20:14 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 06 Nov 2001 16:20:15 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 706AB288AA for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 16:20:12 -0600 (CST) Received: from curly.cc.utexas.edu (curly.cc.utexas.edu [128.83.42.1]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D9641A0AE2 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 16:20:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from [128.83.125.94] (director.cwrl.utexas.edu [128.83.125.94]) by curly.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/cc-uts-1.31) with ESMTP id QAA15437 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 16:20:03 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.20011106113905.009dae30@accdvm.accd.edu> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 16:19:31 -0600 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Peg Syverson Subject: [encore] Re: Enhancing usability features Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-archive-position: 298 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: syverson@uts.cc.utexas.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Building on what Dickie said here, I would love to have the "triggers" built into Rapscallion, which allow you, for example, to turn your own text input a different color (making it easier to track conversations), to play a sound when a particular person logs in, to turn a particular person's conversation a different color (to allow you to identify a particular person in a crowd), or, as I sometimes do, to turn any line that contains the word "help" red (so that when a student asks for help, for example, the request "jumps out" at me). The triggers can be set to create different kinds of actions, from changing the appearance of text to providing an automated response to some recurring thing. (on the trigger "has connected," page "howdy!"). Peg >Another usability (for newbies) issue: > >Is there a way to program color into the names of those talking so >that names and conversation are more distinct? > -- When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall-think of it, ALWAYS. -Mahatma Gandhi ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ M. A. Syverson, Ph.D. syverson@uts.cc.utexas.edu Director http://www.cwrl.utexas.edu/~syverson Computer Writing and Research Lab Division of Rhetoric and Composition University of Texas at Austin ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mlamarcus@eurekanet.com Tue Nov 6 16:38:01 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 06 Nov 2001 16:38:02 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF981288AA for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 16:38:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail5.mx.voyager.net (mail5.mx.voyager.net [216.93.66.204]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5033F1A0BB7 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 16:37:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from [209.239.136.51] ([209.239.136.51]) by mail5.mx.voyager.net (8.11.6/8.10.2) with ESMTP id fA6MVtm32430 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:31:55 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 19:35:34 -0800 Subject: [encore] Re: Enhancing usability features From: Emily Marcus To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 299 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: mlamarcus@eurekanet.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore I've looked into this before. The person who developed MOOtcan has worked on a preliminary version that allows ANSI (I think this is it) text, but it was incompatible with Netscape. At that point, he was going to send me the source for the application, so I could mess with it, but I'm not a programmer, and I doubt I could do much with it. If someone is, though, I'd be very interested in implementing the color thing -- people are used to it from AOL, and in our MOO usability research stuff, almost all of the students asked for it. Emily Marcus Ohio University Center for Innovative Technology in Learning Bob Katz' Writing Pad Moo: http://popper.citl.ohiou.edu:7000/ > From: Peg Syverson > Reply-To: encore@utdallas.edu > Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 16:19:31 -0600 > To: encore@utdallas.edu > Subject: [encore] Re: Enhancing usability features > > Building on what Dickie said here, I would love to have the > "triggers" built into Rapscallion, which allow you, for example, to > turn your own text input a different color (making it easier to track > conversations), to play a sound when a particular person logs in, to > turn a particular person's conversation a different color (to allow > you to identify a particular person in a crowd), or, as I sometimes > do, to turn any line that contains the word "help" red (so that when > a student asks for help, for example, the request "jumps out" at me). > The triggers can be set to create different kinds of actions, from > changing the appearance of text to providing an automated response to > some recurring thing. (on the trigger "has connected," page "howdy!"). > > Peg > >> Another usability (for newbies) issue: >> >> Is there a way to program color into the names of those talking so >> that names and conversation are more distinct? >> > > -- > > When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth > and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and > for a time they seem invincible, but in the end, they always > fall-think of it, ALWAYS. > -Mahatma Gandhi > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > M. A. Syverson, Ph.D. syverson@uts.cc.utexas.edu > Director http://www.cwrl.utexas.edu/~syverson > Computer Writing and Research Lab > Division of Rhetoric and Composition > University of Texas at Austin > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > From jason.nolan@utoronto.ca Wed Nov 7 13:57:20 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 07 Nov 2001 13:57:21 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBBA6288AA for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 13:57:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca (bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca [128.100.132.16]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F4011A05F6 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 13:57:12 -0600 (CST) Received: from envvirtual.forestry.utoronto.ca ([128.100.163.131] EHLO [10.0.1.2] ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 49383]) by bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca with ESMTP id <238983-3171>; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 14:57:02 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jason.nolan@mailbox91.utcc.utoronto.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 14:56:38 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: JASON NOLAN Subject: [encore] Features request Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-archive-position: 300 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jason.nolan@utoronto.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore I know that Jan is always making improvements, so I'm sure he's listening to all of this. But, if anyone wants to catalogue all the wishlist info, perhaps directing all stuff to him/her rather than the list, it would be good to have an organized outline of requests that could be worked through by the folks working on the applet side of encore. We're presently revising MOOca, which is what we use in the place of Sindre's MOOtcan, including attempts at implementing: better backwards compatibility, a scroll stop button, cut/paste buttons, better multilingual support, and we're playing with Unicode. I'm pretty sure we're not adding ansi, but it would be nice to know what people want, and what can be accommodated. J -- Jason Nolan PhD Lecturer Associate Educational Coordinator, Division of the Environment Scholar in Residence, Knowledge Media Design Institute University of Toronto http://achieve.utoronto.ca/jason (416)978-5656/3884f ICQ: 6238593 From jason.nolan@utoronto.ca Wed Nov 7 14:22:51 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 07 Nov 2001 14:22:52 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF828288AA for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 14:22:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca (bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca [128.100.132.16]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09F591A0EF7 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 14:22:47 -0600 (CST) Received: from envvirtual.forestry.utoronto.ca ([128.100.163.131] EHLO [10.0.1.2] ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 49449]) by bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca with ESMTP id <238959-7995>; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 15:22:36 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jason.nolan@mailbox91.utcc.utoronto.ca Message-Id: Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 15:17:17 -0500 To: Encore Mailing List From: JASON NOLAN Subject: [encore] MOOca and Encore Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-archive-position: 301 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jason.nolan@utoronto.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore I forgot to add, thanks Mark for reminding me, the info/address for MOOca. Dave hosts the project on his site (http://www.zanid.com/mooca/) and there are instructions on how to use MOOca with Encore... Make sure you back up your stuff before messing with any changes to your MOO> J -- Jason Nolan PhD Lecturer Associate Educational Coordinator, Division of the Environment Scholar in Residence, Knowledge Media Design Institute University of Toronto http://achieve.utoronto.ca/jason (416)978-5656/3884f ICQ: 6238593 From Mark.A.ONeil@Dartmouth.EDU Fri Nov 9 13:33:33 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 09 Nov 2001 13:33:33 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C66E288A6 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 13:33:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailhub.Dartmouth.EDU (mailhub.dartmouth.edu [129.170.16.6]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A8331A08CB for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 13:33:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from berry91-dhcp-118.dartmouth.edu (berry91-dhcp-118.dartmouth.edu [129.170.91.118]) by mailhub.Dartmouth.EDU (8.9.3+DND/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA09055; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 14:33:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 14:33:13 -0500 Subject: [encore] enCore player display and who button Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) Cc: Jan Rune Holmevik To: encore@utdallas.edu From: "Mark A. ONeil" In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <9DA1F8E6-D548-11D5-901E-003065553020@Dartmouth.EDU> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) X-archive-position: 302 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Mark.A.ONeil@Dartmouth.EDU Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore If anyone has their finger on which verbs build the player display (in the right hand frame) when you enter the room and builds the who list when you click the 'Who' Button I'd love to know the verbs #(s).... I have an alias system in place which displays an alias when a player enters a room. Works great on the text only side of things and I'd like to tweak enCore to work the same. regards, -m --- Mark O'Neil Academic Applications Developer Academic Computing Dartmouth College 6224 Baker/Berry Peter Kiewit Computing Services Hanover, NH 03755 From admin@yeppoon.shs.net.au Wed Nov 14 23:55:24 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 14 Nov 2001 23:55:25 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D88B9288A8 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 23:55:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from bastion.yeppoon.shs.net.au (unknown [203.28.229.6]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D9CD1A0FAC for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 23:55:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from ITAdmin (b3-admin.yeppoon.shs.net.au [203.28.229.7]) by bastion.yeppoon.shs.net.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA18502 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:08:06 +1000 From: "Yeppoon SHS Network Administrator" To: Subject: [encore] Problem with verbs messing up Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:58:00 +1000 Message-ID: <000e01c16d9a$7d1d7c00$6e68790a@yeppoon.shs.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal X-archive-position: 303 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: admin@yeppoon.shs.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore I have come across a nasty little problem that I really don't know how to get around. Whilst using Xpress to check on a verb on a generic - using #2 - the verb code came up from a totally different object - a verb that had not compiled correctly previously. It would appear, if my memory serves me correct, that I had a workstation crash whilst working on a verb on a new generic object I was designing. (I have had terrible problems with my workstation- turned out to be a bad memory chip) - consequently the verb for that object did not compile correctly and the db was left with an uncompiled verb hanging loose soemwhere. . Ok, so I recycled the offending object(s) - Now there is a problem whenever I try to use the Verb Editor in Xpress for any object at all it comes up with "There is a problem with the Xpress Editor = Verb Not Found" However, if I use the telnet interface - everything appears alright and the verbs can be listed with the @dump command Programming using the telnet interface works fine so that part isn't affected. Oh, and it doesn't affect properties, only verbs. The object seems to work OK though Reverted to the backup of the database - could access the object verbs now but the verb code is that of the offending object (non-compiled verb) regardless of the verb chosen - it then causes problems with the non-offending object in that it cuases traceback errors, usually in the look_self verb As ypou can imagine this is a worrying situation . The problem has occurred before when some of my students have been programming, messed up their code and then Xpress no longer works. It seems to be related to having errors in the verb code, leaving it in the error state and coming back for another session later. I have solved the problem before rather brutally, recycle everything belonging to the player including the player. Fortunately this is usually a few items, however... this is #2 that now has the problem. So I would appreciate any guidance on the matter . Oh, and before anyone tells me, I know (now) I probably shouldn't have been using #2 at the time but another wiz character. -------------------------------------------------------- Roy Kennedy IT Co-ordinator Yeppoon High School Yeppoon, Qld Phone: 07 4939 1815 Fax: 07 4939 4834 Email Addresses admin@yeppoon.shs.net.au kennro@yeppoonshs.qld.edu.au Web http://www.yeppoon.shs.net.au http://www.yeppoonshs.qld.edu.au -------------------------------------------------------- QTU Member -------------------------------------------------------- From john-reynolds@rocketmail.com Thu Nov 15 01:39:59 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 15 Nov 2001 01:40:00 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B33AE288A8 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 01:39:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from web14706.mail.yahoo.com (web14706.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.123]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 28B8D1A043A for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 01:39:58 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <20011115073957.90400.qmail@web14706.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [144.137.92.138] by web14706.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 23:39:57 PST Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 23:39:57 -0800 (PST) From: John Reynolds Subject: [encore] Lambda MOO won't start. To: encore@utdallas.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 304 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: john-reynolds@rocketmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore I am very new to Linux and MOO's. I have attempted to install enCore and LambdaMOO. It appears however (despite everything seeming to go smoothly) that the moo executable has not been created. When I attempt # ./restart encore I get: [1] followed by a number. If I repeat this I get a slightly higher number. If I try to start using ./moo ... I get a no such file or directory message. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From herve@hawaii.edu Thu Nov 15 02:37:28 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 15 Nov 2001 02:37:28 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED648288A8 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 02:37:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from m2.hawaii.edu (m2.hawaii.edu [128.171.94.30]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 510A51A0FDF for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 02:37:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.m2.hawaii.edu by m2.hawaii.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #38439) id <0GMU00G012M7TQ@m2.hawaii.edu>; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 22:37:19 -1000 (HST) Received: from herve.phys.hawaii.edu (herve.phys.hawaii.edu [128.171.11.114]) by m2.hawaii.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #38439) with ESMTP id <0GMU00DF22M63Z@m2.hawaii.edu>; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 22:37:18 -1000 (HST) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 22:39:50 -1000 (HST) From: rv Subject: [encore] Re: Lambda MOO won't start. In-reply-to: <20011115073957.90400.qmail@web14706.mail.yahoo.com> X-X-Sender: To: encore@utdallas.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 305 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: herve@hawaii.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore > If I try to start using ./moo ... > I get a no such file or directory message. John, I believe restart needs moo to run, so if restart doesn't complain and throws back at you the task number on which the MOO is running (I think this is what the number is if I recall), then the moo is launched. To make sure, type: ps -ux The "no such file" when using moo might be due to the fact that you do not point to the correct database file. When you use restart, point to db_name When you use moo, point to db_name.db So if you db is mymoo.db and you wanna run ur MOO on port 6666, use either: ./restart mymoo 6666 or ./moo mymoo.db mymoo_new.db 6666 (mymoo_new.db) is the file where the MOO database will be dumped during checkpoints. I hope this helps, Aloha, -rv, /-----------------------------------------\ MOOOOOooo...! @ http://moo.kcc.hawaii.edu / "Can I have a look at Uranus too?" (Rowling) From dilger@nwe.ufl.edu Thu Nov 15 07:21:25 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 15 Nov 2001 07:21:25 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF001288A8 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 07:21:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from clas.ufl.edu (fury.clas.ufl.edu [128.227.148.247]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 399BF1A043F for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 07:21:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from poe.clas.ufl.edu (poe.clas.ufl.edu [128.227.148.222]) by clas.ufl.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1/dna) with SMTP id IAA04581 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 08:21:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 08:21:20 -0500 (EST) From: Bradley Dilger X-Sender: dilger@poe.clas.ufl.edu To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Re: Problem with verbs messing up In-Reply-To: <000e01c16d9a$7d1d7c00$6e68790a@yeppoon.shs.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 306 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: dilger@nwe.ufl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore > Reverted to the backup of the database - could access the object verbs now > but the verb code is that of the offending object (non-compiled verb) > regardless of the verb chosen - it then causes problems with the > non-offending object in that it cuases traceback errors, usually in the > look_self verb Hrm, this sounds kinda like a permissions problem. Have you been changing the ownership of objects? What is the error message you are getting? Seeing a traceback or two might help diagnosing the issue. > So I would appreciate any guidance on the matter . Oh, and before anyone > tells me, I know (now) I probably shouldn't have been using #2 at the time > but another wiz character. I hope I don't sound chastising when I suggest using ANY wizard character for day to day work is a Bad Idea. In most cases you simply don't need the superuser permissions to get your work done. It's easy to make small mistakes that go fairly undetected until long, long after they've disappeared from memory and from scrollback. And you can leave wizard-permissioned stuff laying about, creating potential security holes. Use a player/programmer instead, and log in as a wizard in a second window if you need to do superuser stuff (accounts, looking at objects with restrictive permissions, etc). cbd. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Bradley Dilger http://web.nwe.ufl.edu/~dilger/ From jason.nolan@utoronto.ca Thu Nov 15 08:10:44 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 15 Nov 2001 08:10:45 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78A0F288A1 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 08:10:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca (bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca [128.100.132.16]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F14B1A10AD for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 08:10:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from envvirtual.forestry.utoronto.ca ([128.100.163.131] EHLO [128.100.163.131] ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 52448]) by bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca with ESMTP id <238429-29658>; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:10:15 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jason.nolan@mailbox91.utcc.utoronto.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:00:28 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: JASON NOLAN Subject: [encore] Cooking with Wizards Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-archive-position: 307 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jason.nolan@utoronto.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore I don't think it is preaching at all. I have to remind myself that I shouldn't use wiz for causual stuff on a daily basis. But this is an opportunity to remind everyone that anytime you are logged in as Wizard on Encore you are opening up a massive security hole. As I'm told by a dexterous exploiter of that hole, if/when I'm logged in using the GUI as wizard she can force me to run any verb she wants and change permissions... allowing her to force me to give her a wizbit. So, careful when and how often you wiz in the GUI. J -- Jason Nolan PhD Lecturer Associate Educational Coordinator, Division of the Environment Scholar in Residence, Knowledge Media Design Institute University of Toronto http://achieve.utoronto.ca/jason (416)978-5656/3884f ICQ: 6238593 From jason.nolan@utoronto.ca Thu Nov 15 08:47:08 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 15 Nov 2001 08:47:09 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 990EC288A1 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 08:47:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca (bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca [128.100.132.16]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7941F1A10B4 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 08:47:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from envvirtual.forestry.utoronto.ca ([128.100.163.131] EHLO [128.100.163.131] ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 52579]) by bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca with ESMTP id <238421-29659>; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:46:59 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jason.nolan@mailbox91.utcc.utoronto.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:46:42 -0500 To: Encore Mailing List From: JASON NOLAN Subject: [encore] Re: Cooking with Wizards Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-archive-position: 308 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jason.nolan@utoronto.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Sorry. I thought this was a well known hole, and I was just passing the info on to newbies. We've always had a 'wiz shouldn't gui' policy. And when I talked to my student who exploits it to tease us, she's pretty sure it is unblockable. Mathew/Trav may also know about the specifics. I'll dig up a step by step on how to do it... perhaps including Jan's Lingua wiz password. (joking) J -- Jason Nolan PhD Lecturer Associate Educational Coordinator, Division of the Environment Scholar in Residence, Knowledge Media Design Institute University of Toronto http://achieve.utoronto.ca/jason (416)978-5656/3884f ICQ: 6238593 From scomslb@zeus.hud.ac.uk Thu Nov 15 10:14:20 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 15 Nov 2001 10:14:21 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93540288CB for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 10:14:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from cata.hud.ac.uk (cata.hud.ac.uk [161.112.232.16]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A5CC1A0752 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 10:14:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from zeus.hud.ac.uk (actually host zeus) by cata.hud.ac.uk with SMTP (Mailer) with ESMTP; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 16:14:05 +0000 Received: from sullivan.hud.ac.uk (sullivan [161.112.192.91]) by zeus.hud.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA04537 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 16:11:28 GMT Received: (from scomslb@localhost) by sullivan.hud.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id QAA00395 for encore@utdallas.edu; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 16:08:58 GMT Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 16:08:58 GMT From: Sarah Burgess Message-Id: <200111151608.QAA00395@sullivan.hud.ac.uk> To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Re: Lambda MOO won't start. X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-archive-position: 309 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: scomslb@zeus.hud.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore > > > > If I try to start using ./moo ... > > I get a no such file or directory message. > > John, > I believe restart needs moo to run, so if restart doesn't complain and > throws back at you the task number on which the MOO is running (I think > this is what the number is if I recall), then the moo is launched. Yeah, the numbers you see are the process IDs. > To make sure, type: > ps -ux > > The "no such file" when using moo might be due to the fact that you do not > point to the correct database file. > When you use restart, point to db_name > When you use moo, point to db_name.db > > So if you db is mymoo.db and you wanna run ur MOO on port 6666, use > either: > ./restart mymoo 6666 > or > ./moo mymoo.db mymoo_new.db 6666 > > (mymoo_new.db) is the file where the MOO database will be dumped during > checkpoints. > A couple of things that could cause problems here are: a) case sensitivity - encore is not the same as enCore b) the directory - the database and the moo executable and the restart script should all be in the same directory, and the restart script should be run whilst you are in that directory I have a feeling that it's the case sensitivity that's the problem. Hope that helps, Sarah. http://www.myplace.uklinux.net/ From john-reynolds@rocketmail.com Thu Nov 15 13:32:08 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 15 Nov 2001 13:32:09 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0969288A3 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 13:32:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from web14708.mail.yahoo.com (web14708.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.125]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 9728E1A11F8 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 13:30:10 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <20011115193010.70923.qmail@web14708.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [144.137.92.138] by web14708.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 11:30:10 PST Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 11:30:10 -0800 (PST) From: John Reynolds Subject: [encore] Re: Lambda MOO won't start. To: encore@utdallas.edu In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 310 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: john-reynolds@rocketmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore --- rv wrote: > > To make sure, type: > ps -ux This indicates that moo is not running. > When you use restart, point to db_name > When you use moo, point to db_name.db I hadn't been leaving off the .db for restart but this didn't work either. > I hope this helps, > Aloha, > -rv, Unfortunately no but thanks anyway. For some reason moo does not seem to exist. If you think of anything else i'd appreciate help. john-reynolds@rocketmail.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From admin@yeppoon.shs.net.au Thu Nov 15 17:53:06 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 15 Nov 2001 17:53:07 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 116D2288C6 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 17:53:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from bastion.yeppoon.shs.net.au (unknown [203.28.229.6]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72F271A11E0 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 17:52:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from ITAdmin (b3-admin.yeppoon.shs.net.au [203.28.229.7]) by bastion.yeppoon.shs.net.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA01104 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:05:45 +1000 From: "Yeppoon SHS Network Administrator" To: Subject: [encore] Re: Problem with verbs messing up Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:55:31 +1000 Message-ID: <000001c16e31$0350e2d0$6e68790a@yeppoon.shs.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-archive-position: 311 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: admin@yeppoon.shs.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Brad >Hrm, this sounds kinda like a permissions problem. Have you been changing >the ownership of objects? What is the error message you are getting? >Seeing a traceback or two might help diagnosing the issue. No, nothing like that at all. The problem occurred after writing some code on an object - finding a error and it not compiling. Then having to leave it to do other non-MOO work. It would appear that the unfinished code somehow or other got left in limbo. The next time I went in to work with a different object to check on something ( investigating how a particular task was done) - the code got replaced by the unfinished code - at least in the web interface. However, there was a problem with the object when trying to look at it. I am actually wondering if it is a bug as a number of my students who have been programming have had this problem occur. They normally use the Web interface and will at times have to leave with unfinished code due to lessons ending. The problem then occurs when they try to use the web interface again - it gives the verb not found message. However, they can still program using the telnet interface and the verb will work fine. The only way I found to solve this problem so that they could use the web interface again was the brutal one of recycling. >I hope I don't sound chastising when I suggest using ANY wizard character >for day to day work is a Bad Idea. In most cases you simply don't need the >superuser permissions to get your work done. It's easy to make small >mistakes that go fairly undetected until long, long after they've >disappeared from memory and from scrollback. And you can leave >wizard-permissioned stuff laying about, creating potential security holes. >Use a player/programmer instead, and log in as a wizard in a second window >if you need to do superuser stuff (accounts, looking at objects with >restrictive permissions, etc). I fully understand that however, as my MOO is run in a High school and I continually have students seeking new accounts, dealing with problems etc.. Plus a lot of my work is developing new objects that do require some superuser permissions - we have been developing a monetary system so that players can buy and sell requiring restrictive permissions on certain properties. The problem occurred while doing one of these tasks. A lot of that stuff needs some wizard control so I tend to be in as a wizard rather than anything else. However, I stand suitably chastised with head hung low. -------------------------------------------------------- Roy Kennedy IT Co-ordinator Yeppoon High School Yeppoon, Qld Phone: 07 4939 1815 Fax: 07 4939 4834 Email Addresses * admin@yeppoon.shs.net.au * kennro@yeppoonshs.qld.edu.au Web * http://www.yeppoon.shs.net.au * http://www.yeppoonshs.qld.edu.au -------------------------------------------------------- QTU Member -------------------------------------------------------- From j.turner@qut.edu.au Thu Nov 15 18:06:17 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 15 Nov 2001 18:06:18 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C564A288C6 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 18:06:16 -0600 (CST) Received: from tu01m1.qut.edu.au (mail.qut.edu.au [131.181.127.183]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D3EA1A11EF for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 18:06:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mail.qut.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-33 #46658) id <0GMV0JW019LWNN@mail.qut.edu.au> for encore@utdallas.edu; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:05:56 +1000 (EST) Received: from pigeon.qut.edu.au (pigeon.qut.edu.au [131.181.127.98]) by mail.qut.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-33 #46658) with ESMTP id <0GMV0L0DD9LW62@mail.qut.edu.au> for encore@utdallas.edu; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:05:56 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (turnerj@localhost) by pigeon.qut.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13386 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:05:56 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:05:56 +1000 (EST) From: "truna aka j.turner" Subject: [encore] Re: Problem with verbs messing up In-reply-to: <000001c16e31$0350e2d0$6e68790a@yeppoon.shs.net.au> To: encore@utdallas.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-archive-position: 312 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: j.turner@qut.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore greetings and wotcha roy! yup ... my lot had this dilemma too! (altho' they tended to leave the lab for coffee and other input rather than class finishing :) ) .. once it occurred they had to either use text interface - that was unaffected or - brutally recycle ... it does seem to be encore specific .. ??? love truna Yeppoon SHS Network Administrator wrote: > > No, nothing like that at all. The problem occurred after writing some code > on an object - finding a error and it not compiling. Then having to leave > it to do other non-MOO work. It would appear that the unfinished code > somehow or other got left in limbo. The next time I went in to work with a > different object to check on something ( investigating how a particular task > was done) - the code got replaced by the unfinished code - at least in the > web interface. However, there was a problem with the object when trying to > look at it. I am actually wondering if it is a bug as a number of my > students who have been programming have had this problem occur. T From herve@hawaii.edu Thu Nov 15 19:13:49 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 15 Nov 2001 19:13:50 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AA75288A6 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 19:13:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from m2.hawaii.edu (m2.hawaii.edu [128.171.94.30]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 605F51A00D8 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 19:13:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.m2.hawaii.edu by m2.hawaii.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #38439) id <0GMV00501CQKP1@m2.hawaii.edu>; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:13:35 -1000 (HST) Received: from herve.phys.hawaii.edu (herve.phys.hawaii.edu [128.171.11.114]) by m2.hawaii.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #38439) with ESMTP id <0GMV003DKCQHSL@m2.hawaii.edu>; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:13:29 -1000 (HST) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:16:02 -1000 (HST) From: rv Subject: [encore] Re: Lambda MOO won't start. In-reply-to: <20011115193010.70923.qmail@web14708.mail.yahoo.com> X-X-Sender: To: encore@utdallas.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 313 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: herve@hawaii.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore John, which flavor of linux/unix are you using? There are some binaries from Encore page, or you might wanna give another try in compiling the server, watching carefully any error message that might pop up. If everything went right during compilation, moo and restart should be present; if they are not, an error must have occured somewhere during compilation. Good luck, Aloha, -rv, > Unfortunately no but thanks anyway. For some reason > moo does not seem to exist. If you think of anything > else i'd appreciate help. > > > john-reynolds@rocketmail.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals > http://personals.yahoo.com > > -- /-----------------------------------------\ MOOOOOooo...! @ http://moo.kcc.hawaii.edu / "Can I have a look at Uranus too?" (Rowling) From john-reynolds@rocketmail.com Thu Nov 15 19:46:26 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 15 Nov 2001 19:46:26 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D1B4288A6 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 19:46:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from web14702.mail.yahoo.com (web14702.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.119]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id B143C1A01F1 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 19:46:22 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <20011116014622.49921.qmail@web14702.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [144.137.92.138] by web14702.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 17:46:22 PST Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 17:46:22 -0800 (PST) From: John Reynolds Subject: [encore] Re: Lambda MOO won't start. To: encore@utdallas.edu In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 314 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: john-reynolds@rocketmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore --- rv wrote: > > John, > which flavor of linux/unix are you using? Using Red Hat 7.2 and I have now sorted the compile of LambdaMOO. There was an incorrect setting. However when I telnet in to the server all it responds with is "I can't understand that. Is this where I should @configure? How do I login as wizard? I am also having difficulty with enCore component. How do I go about getting the java side of things running? > There are some binaries from Encore page, Tried downloading but the server is timing out. > > john-reynolds@rocketmail.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals > > http://personals.yahoo.com > > > > > > -- > > /-----------------------------------------\ > MOOOOOooo...! @ http://moo.kcc.hawaii.edu / > "Can I have a look at Uranus too?" (Rowling) > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From egoff@mindspring.com Thu Nov 15 20:03:46 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 15 Nov 2001 20:03:47 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1DE0288BB for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 20:03:45 -0600 (CST) Received: from johnson.mail.mindspring.net (johnson.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.177]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40AFA1A0034 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 20:03:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from user-2ivesa2.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.113.66] helo=master) by johnson.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 164YLy-0008F6-00 for encore@utdallas.edu; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 21:03:39 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20011115210411.009d0798@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: egoff@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 21:04:11 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Edward Goff Subject: [encore] Re: Cooking with Wizards In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-archive-position: 315 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: egoff@mindspring.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore At 09:00 AM 11/15/2001 -0500, JASON NOLAN wrote: >I don't think it is preaching at all. I have to remind myself that I >shouldn't use wiz for causual stuff on a daily basis. But this is an >opportunity to remind everyone that anytime you are logged in as >Wizard on Encore you are opening up a massive security hole. As I'm >told by a dexterous exploiter of that hole, if/when I'm logged in >using the GUI as wizard she can force me to run any verb she wants >and change permissions... allowing her to force me to give her a >wizbit. > >So, careful when and how often you wiz in the GUI. ooooh who is this superfreak. I'd LOVE Top meet this person. Yes, you shouldn't use your wizard character just for fun but at the same token I've been doing this for 10 years and if there is someone who is so superfly they can FORCE me to give them a wiz bit I want to meet them cuase, A)there alot better than ANYONE, including alot of the CORE folks at lambda the origianl MOO created by pavel curtis, or B)God. Should I pray or laugh? Sorry if I'm offensive but I have YET to see anything but sloppy coding force ANyone to give a wiz bit to anyone and I think jan has a bit more of an idea how to code than that. From egoff@mindspring.com Thu Nov 15 20:05:23 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 15 Nov 2001 20:05:24 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67984288BB for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 20:05:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from johnson.mail.mindspring.net (johnson.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.177]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A3F81A0323 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 20:05:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from user-2ivesa2.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.113.66] helo=master) by johnson.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 164YNd-0002u0-00 for encore@utdallas.edu; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 21:05:22 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20011115210554.009d0798@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: egoff@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 21:05:54 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Edward Goff Subject: [encore] Re: Cooking with Wizards In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-archive-position: 316 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: egoff@mindspring.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore You forget Ender, unless I misread the original post. The person who is doing this "explotation" isn't a wizard but normal player. At 11:21 PM 11/15/2001 +0800, J.Brown (Ender/Amigo) wrote: >Pisht. > >There are a billion and one ways of doing this. >The most obvious is a simple scripting exploit. Stick a html verb on >something you'll eventually look at that sends some simple javascript >(hidden by any of the hundreds of ways you can, as HotMail constantly >finds out) that will inject a command into your wizardly session. > > - Ender/Amigo > >Regards, | Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one. > Ender | > (James Brown) | [Nehahra, EasyCuts, PureLS, QuakeSrc, LiveJournal, AnsibleMOO] > >On Thu, 15 Nov 2001, JASON NOLAN wrote: > >> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:46:42 -0500 >> From: JASON NOLAN >> Reply-To: encore@utdallas.edu >> To: Encore Mailing List >> Subject: [encore] Re: Cooking with Wizards >> >> Sorry. I thought this was a well known hole, and I was just passing >> the info on to newbies. >> We've always had a 'wiz shouldn't gui' policy. And when I talked to >> my student who exploits it >> to tease us, she's pretty sure it is unblockable. Mathew/Trav may >> also know about the specifics. >> I'll dig up a step by step on how to do it... perhaps including Jan's >> Lingua wiz password. >> (joking) >> >> >> >> J >> -- >> Jason Nolan PhD >> Lecturer >> Associate Educational Coordinator, Division of the Environment >> Scholar in Residence, Knowledge Media Design Institute >> University of Toronto >> http://achieve.utoronto.ca/jason >> (416)978-5656/3884f >> ICQ: 6238593 >> > > > From herve@hawaii.edu Thu Nov 15 23:50:39 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 15 Nov 2001 23:50:40 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21008288A1 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 23:50:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from m1.hawaii.edu (m1.hawaii.edu [128.171.94.13]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CCA41A0862 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 23:50:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.m1.hawaii.edu by m1.hawaii.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #38433) id <0GMV00G01PKCJM@m1.hawaii.edu>; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 19:50:36 -1000 (HST) Received: from uhunix2.its.hawaii.edu (uhunix2.its.hawaii.edu [128.171.44.7]) by m1.hawaii.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #38433) with ESMTP id <0GMV00COGPKBL7@m1.hawaii.edu>; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 19:50:36 -1000 (HST) Received: from localhost (herve@localhost) by uhunix2.its.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA05185 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 19:50:35 -1000 (HST) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 19:50:35 -1000 (HST) From: rv Subject: [encore] Re: Lambda MOO won't start. In-reply-to: <20011116014622.49921.qmail@web14702.mail.yahoo.com> X-X-Sender: To: encore@utdallas.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Authentication-warning: uhunix2.its.hawaii.edu: herve owned process doing -bs X-archive-position: 317 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: herve@hawaii.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore > Using Red Hat 7.2 and I have now sorted the compile of > LambdaMOO. There was an incorrect setting. However > when I telnet in to the server all it responds with is > "I can't understand that. > Is this where I should @configure? How do I login as > wizard? First time you log in, use: connect wizard then once connected, set ur passwd: ;#2.password=crypt("whatever") you are now in position to run @configure and tweak ur settings. -rv, /-----------------------------------------\ MOOOOOooo...! @ http://moo.kcc.hawaii.edu / "Can I have a look at Uranus too?" (Rowling) From john-reynolds@rocketmail.com Fri Nov 16 00:21:29 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 16 Nov 2001 00:21:30 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85906288A1 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 00:21:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from web14707.mail.yahoo.com (web14707.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.124]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id ED58E1A0082 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 00:21:25 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <20011116062125.23455.qmail@web14707.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [144.137.92.138] by web14707.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 22:21:25 PST Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 22:21:25 -0800 (PST) From: John Reynolds Subject: [encore] Re: Lambda MOO won't start. To: encore@utdallas.edu In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 318 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: john-reynolds@rocketmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore --- rv wrote: > > First time you log in, use: > connect wizard > then once connected, set ur passwd: > ;#2.password=crypt("whatever") > you are now in position to run @configure and tweak > ur settings. > -rv, I have done that. The moo server just accepts the command and moves to the next line, no response. This is the case for anything I type. I cant break the connection. > /-----------------------------------------\ > MOOOOOooo...! @ http://moo.kcc.hawaii.edu / > "Can I have a look at Uranus too?" (Rowling) > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From rjrs@c2i.net Fri Nov 16 16:03:53 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:03:54 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79559288CB for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:03:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from fep07-svc.swip.net (fep07.swip.net [130.244.199.135]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C92121A13CB for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:03:47 -0600 (CST) Received: from pc2.c2i.net ([193.217.198.75]) by fep02-svc.swip.net with ESMTP id <20011116063104.CMRS490.fep02-svc.swip.net@pc2.c2i.net> for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 07:31:04 +0100 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011116073004.00a13be0@popw.c2i.net> X-Sender: mw59133@popw.c2i.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 07:33:18 +0100 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: rjrs Subject: [encore] Re: Cooking with Wizards In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20011115210411.009d0798@pop.mindspring.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-archive-position: 319 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: rjrs@c2i.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore At 09:04 PM 15/11/01 -0500, you wrote: >ooooh > > who is this superfreak. I'd LOVE Top meet this person. > >Yes, you shouldn't use your wizard character just for fun but at the same >token I've been doing this for 10 years and if there is someone who is so >superfly they can FORCE me to give them a wiz bit I want to meet them >cuase, A)there alot better than ANYONE, including alot of the CORE folks at >lambda the origianl MOO created by pavel curtis, or B)God. > >Should I pray or laugh? > >Sorry if I'm offensive but I have YET to see anything but sloppy coding >force ANyone to give a wiz bit to anyone and I think jan has a bit more of >an idea how to code than that. Shame, Edward. :-) That was a bit offensive, but the problem, of course, is that it's also a bit inaccurate. She *is* running a normal character, and can do exactly what Jason said she can. I'm inclined to think she wouldn't mind being called "God." :-) Would you care for a demo? She'd love to show you--all she needs is a character. The reality is that there probably *are* a host of ways to do this, but wizzing in the GUI is certainly one of them . . . It seems foolish to expose the MOO to an unnecessary risk when the wiz character can just as easily run in text without opening that possibility. And, I suppose that's what it boils down to for me. There are a host of things I can't do anything about . . . but this is not one of them, and the solution is both terribly simple and requires no extra effort Regards, Rhonna ********************************** Rhonna J. Robbins-Sponaas Educational Steering Committee Project Achieve http://achieve.utoronto.ca ********************************** From herve@hawaii.edu Fri Nov 16 16:58:14 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:58:15 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EFAC288A6 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:58:12 -0600 (CST) Received: from m1.hawaii.edu (m1.hawaii.edu [128.171.94.13]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A40C91A13FB for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:58:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.m1.hawaii.edu by m1.hawaii.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #38433) id <0GMX00F011485K@m1.hawaii.edu>; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 12:58:08 -1000 (HST) Received: from herve.phys.hawaii.edu (herve.phys.hawaii.edu [128.171.11.114]) by m1.hawaii.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #38433) with ESMTP id <0GMX00D5913ZRI@m1.hawaii.edu>; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 12:57:35 -1000 (HST) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 12:59:59 -1000 (HST) From: rv Subject: [encore] Re: Cooking with Wizards In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.2.20011116073004.00a13be0@popw.c2i.net> X-X-Sender: To: encore@utdallas.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 320 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: herve@hawaii.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore > Shame, Edward. :-) That was a bit offensive, but the problem, of > course, is that it's also a bit inaccurate. She *is* running a normal > character, and can do exactly what Jason said she can. I'm inclined to > think she wouldn't mind being called "God." :-) > > Would you care for a demo? She'd love to show you--all she needs is a > character. Ronna, Would that person would be kind enough, not to give us a demo, but to share her spell so we can play around with it, and hopefully break it and find a counterspell? btw: harry potter is coming out today!!....;) Aloha, -rv, ;) /-----------------------------------------\ MOOOOOooo...! @ http://moo.kcc.hawaii.edu / "Can I have a look at Uranus too?" (Rowling) From herve@hawaii.edu Fri Nov 16 17:00:37 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 16 Nov 2001 17:00:38 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 749F7288A6 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 17:00:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from m1.hawaii.edu (m1.hawaii.edu [128.171.94.13]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AACE61A1403 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 17:00:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.m1.hawaii.edu by m1.hawaii.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #38433) id <0GMX00G0118WK1@m1.hawaii.edu>; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:00:32 -1000 (HST) Received: from herve.phys.hawaii.edu (herve.phys.hawaii.edu [128.171.11.114]) by m1.hawaii.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #38433) with ESMTP id <0GMX00DAR18VRI@m1.hawaii.edu>; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:00:31 -1000 (HST) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:02:56 -1000 (HST) From: rv Subject: [encore] Re: Lambda MOO won't start. In-reply-to: <20011116062125.23455.qmail@web14707.mail.yahoo.com> X-X-Sender: To: encore@utdallas.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 321 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: herve@hawaii.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore You mean, you have no output from anything you type inside the MOO?... meaning no command work at all and still you could connect as wiz? bite me.... I dunno -rv, > I have done that. The moo server just accepts the > command and moves to the next line, no response. This > is the case for anything I type. I cant break the > connection. > > > > > > /-----------------------------------------\ > > MOOOOOooo...! @ http://moo.kcc.hawaii.edu / > > "Can I have a look at Uranus too?" (Rowling) > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals > http://personals.yahoo.com > > -- /-----------------------------------------\ MOOOOOooo...! @ http://moo.kcc.hawaii.edu / "Can I have a look at Uranus too?" (Rowling) From jason.nolan@utoronto.ca Fri Nov 16 20:45:25 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:45:26 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF47C288A3 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:45:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from tomts11-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts11.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.55]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59B1B1A062C for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:45:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from [10.0.1.3] ([64.229.98.245]) by tomts11-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20011117024521.QYBY24249.tomts11-srv.bellnexxia.net@[10.0.1.3]> for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 21:45:21 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jason.nolan@mailbox91.utcc.utoronto.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011116073004.00a13be0@popw.c2i.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011116073004.00a13be0@popw.c2i.net> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 21:29:37 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: JASON NOLAN Subject: [encore] Re: Cooking with Wizards Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-archive-position: 322 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jason.nolan@utoronto.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Well. A programmer, obviously. Not a guest. From j.turner@qut.edu.au Fri Nov 16 23:19:56 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 16 Nov 2001 23:19:57 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C2D9288A6 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 23:19:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from tu01m1.qut.edu.au (mail.qut.edu.au [131.181.127.183]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14ACC1A146D for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 23:19:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mail.qut.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-33 #46658) id <0GMX0M401IT496@mail.qut.edu.au> for encore@utdallas.edu; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 15:19:52 +1000 (EST) Received: from pigeon.qut.edu.au (pigeon.qut.edu.au [131.181.127.98]) by mail.qut.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-33 #46658) with ESMTP id <0GMX0LV5PIT4LK@mail.qut.edu.au> for encore@utdallas.edu; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 15:19:52 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (turnerj@localhost) by pigeon.qut.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04435 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 15:19:52 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 15:19:52 +1000 (EST) From: "truna aka j.turner" Subject: [encore] public accolade In-reply-to: <000001c16e31$0350e2d0$6e68790a@yeppoon.shs.net.au> To: encore@utdallas.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-archive-position: 323 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: j.turner@qut.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore greetings ... for those of you who followed the project, i am in the middle of marking the lost cities experiment .. the kids have done some amazing things, just startling, utter bliss ...i am well proud of them! but i also wanted to make a public thanks and bow to hilde of achieve moo who helped one group to construct some really brilliant interaction within the moo .... thanks our hilde .. where do you want the wine sent? love truna ***************************************************** truna aka j.turner : Educational Technology Interface Lecturer in Technology, Literacy & Language QUT, Brisbane, Australia ***************************************************** internet 101 (IDMT): http://www.cdes.qut.edu.au/units/aan818/draft/ lost cities : http://education.qut.edu.au/turnerj/aab814/ the eMU papers: http://www.fed.qut.edu.au/tesol/cmc/emu/ jalapeno : jalapeno@qut.edu.au ) personal email : j.turner@qut.edu.au 8==%^^^^^^^^^^~/^^' business email : truna@truna.net " truna " ICQ : #12145525 From rmazar@chass.utoronto.ca Sat Nov 17 15:19:52 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Sat, 17 Nov 2001 15:19:53 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E0DF288A1 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 15:19:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts10.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.54]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50BD71A0464 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 15:19:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from [65.92.86.168] ([65.92.94.210]) by tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20011117211950.ZMDA9849.tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net@[65.92.86.168]> for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 16:19:50 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: b1mqih64@POP6.sympatico.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 16:19:37 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Rochelle Mazar Subject: [encore] public accolade Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-archive-position: 324 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: rmazar@chass.utoronto.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Aw, Truna, I'm blushing! Your students were a pleasure. Now, if we could just readjust the timezones so that I'm not trying to work out code questions at 2am...;) Nice that they didn't hold it against me. Wine? Ah...hold on to it until I can get down there and share it with you... Hildegarde >>greetings ... >> >>for those of you who followed the project, i am in the middle of marking >>the lost cities experiment .. the kids have done some amazing things, just >>startling, utter bliss ...i am well proud of them! >> >>but i also wanted to make a public thanks and bow to hilde of achieve moo >>who helped one group to construct some really brilliant interaction within >>the moo .... thanks our hilde .. where do you want the wine sent? >> love truna From jan.holmevik@uib.no Sun Nov 18 16:30:00 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Sun, 18 Nov 2001 16:30:01 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0B95288A3 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 16:29:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from alf.uib.no (alf.uib.no [129.177.30.3]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BE3319FFC5 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 16:29:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from cm31383-b.ftwrth1.tx.home.com [24.4.16.114] by alf.uib.no for encore@utdallas.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.16) id 165aRL-0001SH-00; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 23:29:27 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1302 Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 16:29:24 -0600 Subject: [encore] EnCore Security Alert From: Jan Rune Holmevik To: enCore list Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanner: exiscan *165aRL-0001SH-00*J1.94/A397k* http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-archive-position: 325 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jan.holmevik@uib.no Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Due to a security issue recently reported by Jason Nolan here on this list, the enCore distribution has been taken off-line for an indefinite period of time. We have not yet been able to determine exactly what the problem is. Until a solution is found, however, we recommend that no one uses Xpress for any wizard related work. Jan __Jan Rune Holmevik, Cand Philol_________________________________________ University of Bergen jan@mac.com Department of Humanistic Informatics jan.holmevik@uib.no Sydnesplass 7, HF-bygget janruneh@utdallas.edu N-5007 Bergen, NORWAY http://lingua.utdallas.edu/jan From mlamarcus@eurekanet.com Sun Nov 18 20:51:50 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Sun, 18 Nov 2001 20:51:51 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4AB6288A1 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 20:51:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail3.mx.voyager.net (mail3.mx.voyager.net [216.93.66.202]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A9CA1A06FD for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 20:51:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from [209.239.136.221] ([209.239.136.221]) by mail3.mx.voyager.net (8.11.6/8.10.2) with ESMTP id fAJ2pdI12995 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 21:51:39 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 23:49:16 -0800 Subject: [encore] info gathering From: Emily Marcus To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 326 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: mlamarcus@eurekanet.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi, I need to write a report on the usage of our MOO, for the first academic quarter. I'm wondering what, exactly, I can get from the moo in this regard. Can I get domain or IP information for the users? Is there anything else that the moo automatically records? And how do I find out exactly how long the Moo has been running? I'm not remembering the commands. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you! Emily Marcus OHio University Center for Innovations in Technology for Learning From egoff@mindspring.com Sun Nov 18 21:02:40 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Sun, 18 Nov 2001 21:02:41 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28ECA288A1 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 21:02:39 -0600 (CST) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDD341A027A for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 21:02:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from user-2ives8u.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.113.30] helo=master) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 165ehh-00084M-00; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 22:02:38 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20011118220258.009cdad0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: egoff@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 22:02:58 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu, enCore list From: Edward Goff Subject: [encore] Re: EnCore Security Alert In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-archive-position: 327 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: egoff@mindspring.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore At 04:29 PM 11/18/2001 -0600, Jan Rune Holmevik wrote: >Due to a security issue recently reported by Jason Nolan here on this list, >the enCore distribution has been taken off-line for an indefinite period of >time. We have not yet been able to determine exactly what the problem is. >Until a solution is found, however, we recommend that no one uses Xpress for >any wizard related work. > >Jan Its a shame that this has arrived. I personally would like to see logs and step by step instructions sent to, if no one else Jan, on how this is done. I am willing to help if this is a true situation. I have a secure site I can put a encore DB up on and beat it up all day long trying to get in. Edward From jason.nolan@utoronto.ca Sun Nov 18 21:42:04 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Sun, 18 Nov 2001 21:42:05 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54DE8288A1 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 21:42:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts10.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.54]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ABBF1A073F for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 21:41:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from [10.0.1.5] ([64.229.97.148]) by tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20011119034156.ZQZN9849.tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net@[10.0.1.5]> for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 22:41:56 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jason.nolan@mailbox91.utcc.utoronto.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 22:41:52 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: JASON NOLAN Subject: [encore] Re: info gathering Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-archive-position: 328 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jason.nolan@utoronto.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore I can't remember if these are all on lambda/encore, or if we added them, but these will get you some info: @domains @uptime @players You could use @idlers to get a list of everyone and all their objects. -- Jason Nolan PhD Lecturer Associate Educational Coordinator, Division of the Environment Scholar in Residence, Knowledge Media Design Institute University of Toronto http://achieve.utoronto.ca/jason (416)978-5656/3884f ICQ: 6238593 From mlamarcus@eurekanet.com Sun Nov 18 21:47:55 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Sun, 18 Nov 2001 21:47:55 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4FB0288A1 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 21:47:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail1.mx.voyager.net (mail1.mx.voyager.net [216.93.66.200]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B6EE1A022B for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 21:47:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from [209.239.136.221] ([209.239.136.221]) by mail1.mx.voyager.net (8.11.6/8.10.2) with ESMTP id fAJ3lhL10782 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 22:47:44 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 00:45:26 -0800 Subject: [encore] Re: info gathering From: Emily Marcus To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 329 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: mlamarcus@eurekanet.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Thanks Jason. @domains isn't working and I know that I have, at one point, seen a player's domain info. Is it a property? Emily Marcus Ohio University Center For Innovative Technology in Learning > From: JASON NOLAN > Reply-To: encore@utdallas.edu > Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 22:41:52 -0500 > To: encore@utdallas.edu > Subject: [encore] Re: info gathering > > I can't remember if these are all on lambda/encore, or if we added > them, but these will get you some info: > > @domains > @uptime > @players > You could use @idlers to get a list of everyone and all their objects. > > -- > Jason Nolan PhD > Lecturer > Associate Educational Coordinator, Division of the Environment > Scholar in Residence, Knowledge Media Design Institute > University of Toronto > http://achieve.utoronto.ca/jason > (416)978-5656/3884f > ICQ: 6238593 > > From jason.nolan@utoronto.ca Sun Nov 18 22:25:03 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Sun, 18 Nov 2001 22:25:04 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B7F7288A1 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 22:25:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts20.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.74]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E771C1A02B0 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 22:25:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from [10.0.1.5] ([64.229.97.148]) by tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20011119042458.EMLP25459.tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net@[10.0.1.5]> for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 23:24:58 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jason.nolan@mailbox91.utcc.utoronto.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 23:24:54 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: JASON NOLAN Subject: [encore] Re: info gathering Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-archive-position: 330 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jason.nolan@utoronto.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Sorry, it was on one of our feature objects "Generic Wizard with Fluff". You should be able to program the verb by doing the following. Since it is descriptive, it shouldn't cause any problems. @verb me:@domains @program me:@domains Then paste in the following, typing a . on a line following the pasted text. Typing @domains should give you a list of everywhere people have connected from. "Usage: @domains"; " "; "Gives a list of domain suffixes, and how many"; "characters have it."; done = 0; sitelist = {}; for p in (players()) m = p.email_address; $command_utils:suspend_if_needed(0); site = m[rindex(m, ".") + 1..length(m)]; if (rindex(m, ".") != 0) for s in [1..length(sitelist)] if (site == sitelist[s][1]) sitelist[s][2] = sitelist[s][2] + 1; done = 1; endif endfor if (done == 0 && site) sitelist = listappend(sitelist, {site, 1}); endif endif done = 0; endfor sites = sitelist; sitelist = {}; maxnum = 0; while (length(sites) > 0) for s in [1..length(sites)] $command_utils:suspend_if_needed(0); if (sites[s][2] > maxnum) maxnum = sites[s][2]; index = s; endif endfor sitelist = listappend(sitelist, sites[index]); sites = listdelete(sites, index); maxnum = 0; endwhile player:tell("--- site info report ---"); player:tell(""); player:tell($string_utils:center("site suffix", 15) + $string_utils:center("#", 3)); player:tell(""); for s in [1..length(sitelist)] $command_utils:suspend_if_needed(0); player:tell($string_utils:center(sitelist[s][1], 15) + $string_utils:center(sitelist[s][2], 3)); endfor player:tell(""); player:tell("------------------------"); From Mark.A.ONeil@Dartmouth.EDU Mon Nov 19 10:09:04 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 19 Nov 2001 10:09:05 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A19E288C8 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 10:09:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailhub.Dartmouth.EDU (mailhub.dartmouth.edu [129.170.16.6]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF69A1A0956 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 10:09:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from berry90-dhcp-253.dartmouth.edu (berry90-dhcp-253.dartmouth.edu [129.170.90.253]) by mailhub.Dartmouth.EDU (8.9.3+DND/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29213 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:09:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:08:33 -0500 Subject: [encore] verb links? (was enCore player display and who button) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: "Mark A. ONeil" To: encore@utdallas.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) X-archive-position: 331 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Mark.A.ONeil@Dartmouth.EDU Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Thanks to rv I was able to get a working start on total anonymity via aliases in enCore by incorporating some subtle changes to: > The verb that displays the who window is: > #154:main_html() > > The verb that handles room display is: > #3:_html() Now I am interested in executing verbs via a link on the room/object display page. Has anyone done this? Scenario: Display Cookie Jar Show a link to a default verb of "open cookie jar" User clicks the link and the verb executes In short we would have a web verb that functions the same as if the user had typed "open cookie jar" at the prompt. Ideas welcome. regards, -m On Thursday, November 15, 2001, at 07:05 PM, truna aka j.turner wrote: > greetings and wotcha roy! > > yup ... my lot had this dilemma too! (altho' they tended to leave the > lab > for coffee and other input rather than class finishing :) ) .. once it > occurred they had to either use text interface - that was unaffected > or - > brutally recycle ... it does seem to be encore specific .. ??? > > love truna > > Yeppoon SHS Network Administrator wrote: > >> No, nothing like that at all. The problem occurred after writing some >> code >> on an object - finding a error and it not compiling. Then having to >> leave >> it to do other non-MOO work. It would appear that the unfinished code >> somehow or other got left in limbo. The next time I went in to work >> with a >> different object to check on something ( investigating how a >> particular task >> was done) - the code got replaced by the unfinished code - at least in >> the >> web interface. However, there was a problem with the object when >> trying to >> look at it. I am actually wondering if it is a bug as a number of my >> students who have been programming have had this problem occur. T > > > From parrishka@sympatico.ca Mon Nov 19 11:06:22 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:06:22 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2CB0288CC for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:06:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from tomts19-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts19.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.73]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49CD81A0A01 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:06:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.231.12.211]) by tomts19-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20011119170618.WEUH10804.tomts19-srv.bellnexxia.net@sympatico.ca> for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:06:18 -0500 Message-ID: <3BF93C0B.1EDE41AC@sympatico.ca> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:06:31 -0500 From: parrishka X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Re: verb links? (was enCore player display and who button) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 332 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: parrishka@sympatico.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore "Mark A. ONeil" wrote: > > Now I am interested in executing verbs via a link on the room/object > display page. > > Has anyone done this? > > Scenario: > Display Cookie Jar > Show a link to a default verb of "open cookie jar" > User clicks the link and the verb executes > > In short we would have a web verb that functions the same as if the user > had typed "open cookie jar" at the prompt. > > Ideas welcome. > > regards, > -m Mark, your question points to some issues that I've been thinking about ever since the release of encore 3.0, where the "get" and "drop" verbs became "web verbs" as you call it. I like that phrase. I've been using "gooified" for lack of a better term. I'm interested in exploring the reasons behind these moves to gooify a greater number of the command-line verbs. I love the Xpress GUI. I love the fact that it supports multi-media expression, and at the same time, preserves the command-line interface. I love the fact that I am forced as a reader and user to oscillate between text and image, between dynamic and static, between synchronous and asynchronous representation. So, I get a bit puzzled when I see greater webbification of the dynamic aspects of the MOO, because I see in it a danger of reducing the average user's MOO experience to that of a hyperlinked environment, rather than one that is navigated by linguistic acts, and sustained by object oriented programming. I suspect that the greater gooification of MOO commands will draw the user's attention away from the left side of the screen, will move their hands from keyboard to mouse, until finally, the left side of the interface will become redundant, and GUI MOOs will become collections of web pages, with chat rooms stuck on the side. As I write this, I feel again the compulsion to clarify- I am not anti-GUI. In fact, I have a piece coming out in this year's Cybertext Yearbook which celebrates the expressive potential of GUI MOOs. I am also not against the move to make MOOs more accessible for the "average user," as long as these efforts don't water the MOO experience down to the point where we are no longer MOOing. But I don't actually find that the gooification of verbs such as "get" or "open" makes my MOOing easier. I have to move my hands from keyboard to mouse, which is a pain, especially when you're working with students in a computer lab where the majority of the mouses (mice?) are barely functional. I guess I'm interested to know why you and others want more web-linked verbs. Katherine Parrish From beuja@iinet.net.au Mon Nov 19 14:28:35 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:28:36 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79936288DC for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:28:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (symphony-01.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.33]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 7C34A1A0B0C for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:28:25 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 1784 invoked by uid 666); 19 Nov 2001 20:28:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.iinet.net.au) (203.59.217.83) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 19 Nov 2001 20:28:21 -0000 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20011120041711.00a0deb0@mail.iinet.net.au> X-Sender: beuja@mail.iinet.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 04:33:06 +0800 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: beuja@iinet.net.au Subject: [encore] Re: EnCore Security Alert In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20011118220258.009cdad0@pop.mindspring.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-archive-position: 333 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: beuja@iinet.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Believe me, this is a true situation. Don't know why I didn't see it before. I'm trying to send details to Jan (bounced - must have got the email wrong) What address is the correct? Scott Carmichael beuja@iinet.net.au At 10:02 PM 18/11/2001 -0500, you wrote: >At 04:29 PM 11/18/2001 -0600, Jan Rune Holmevik wrote: > >Due to a security issue recently reported by Jason Nolan here on this list, > >the enCore distribution has been taken off-line for an indefinite period of > >time. We have not yet been able to determine exactly what the problem is. > >Until a solution is found, however, we recommend that no one uses Xpress for > >any wizard related work. > > > >Jan > >Its a shame that this has arrived. I personally would like to see logs and >step by step instructions sent to, if no one else Jan, on how this is done. >I am willing to help if this is a true situation. I have a secure site I >can put a encore DB up on and beat it up all day long trying to get in. > > >Edward From d-davis@uiowa.edu Mon Nov 19 14:32:31 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:32:32 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAEBD288DC for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:32:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from sm10.texas.rr.com (sm10.texas.rr.com [24.93.35.222]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 999511A0AFB for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:32:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from FCI (cs666877-126.austin.rr.com [66.68.77.126]) by sm10.texas.rr.com (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16) with ESMTP id fAJKWNdf000999 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:32:23 -0600 From: "Diane Davis" To: Subject: [encore] Re: EnCore Security Alert Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:31:38 -0600 Message-ID: <007001c17139$30a04950$7e4d4442@FCI> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20011120041711.00a0deb0@mail.iinet.net.au> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-archive-position: 334 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: d-davis@uiowa.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore I've got three eddresses for him. Not sure which you were trying, so here they all are (with apologies to jan's privacy): jan@mac.com janruneh@utdallas.edu jan.holmevik@hedb.uib.no best, ddd ___________________________________________ D. Diane Davis Rhetoric and Composition (UT Mail Code B5500) University of Texas at Austin Austin, TX 78712-1122 Office: 512.471.8765 FAX: 512.471.4353 ddd@mail.utexas.edu http://www.cwrl.utexas.edu/~davis > -----Original Message----- > From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu] On Behalf Of > beuja@iinet.net.au > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 2:33 PM > To: encore@utdallas.edu > Subject: [encore] Re: EnCore Security Alert > > Believe me, this is a true situation. > > Don't know why I didn't see it before. > > I'm trying to send details to Jan (bounced - must have got the email wrong) > > What address is the correct? > > Scott Carmichael > beuja@iinet.net.au > > At 10:02 PM 18/11/2001 -0500, you wrote: > >At 04:29 PM 11/18/2001 -0600, Jan Rune Holmevik wrote: > > >Due to a security issue recently reported by Jason Nolan here on this list, > > >the enCore distribution has been taken off-line for an indefinite period of > > >time. We have not yet been able to determine exactly what the problem is. > > >Until a solution is found, however, we recommend that no one uses Xpress for > > >any wizard related work. > > > > > >Jan > > > >Its a shame that this has arrived. I personally would like to see logs and > >step by step instructions sent to, if no one else Jan, on how this is done. > >I am willing to help if this is a true situation. I have a secure site I > >can put a encore DB up on and beat it up all day long trying to get in. > > > > > >Edward From egoff@mindspring.com Mon Nov 19 19:02:13 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:02:14 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 191DF288D4 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:02:12 -0600 (CST) Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB98E1A07CA for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:02:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from user-2ives5g.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.112.176] helo=master) by hall.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 165zIg-0002JI-00; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 20:02:11 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20011119200241.00992588@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: egoff@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 20:02:41 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu, encore@utdallas.edu From: Edward Goff Subject: [encore] Re: info gathering (fair warning spammy reply) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-archive-position: 335 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: egoff@mindspring.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore @uptime The server has been up for 28 days, 8 hours, 7 minutes, and 33 seconds. @players Last connected at least this Num. Cumul. Cumul. % long ago players players players --------------------------------------------- 0 days: 7 7 7% 1 day: 0 7 7% 2 days: 1 8 8% 3 days: 1 9 9% 4 days: 1 10 10% 5 days: 0 10 10% 6 days: 1 11 11% 1 week: 5 16 16% 2 weeks: 1 17 17% 3 weeks: 1 18 18% 4 weeks: 0 18 18% 1 month: 8 26 26% 2 months: 6 32 32% 3 months: 8 40 40% 4 months: 0 40 40% 5 months: 4 44 44% 6 months: 6 50 50% 7 months: 5 55 55% 8 months: 3 58 58% 9 months: 6 64 64% 10 months: 1 65 65% 11 months: 4 69 69% 12 months: 2 71 71% 13 months: 2 73 73% 14 months: 0 73 73% 15 months: 0 73 73% 16 months: 0 73 73% 17 months: 0 73 73% 18 months: 1 74 74% Never: 11 85 85% Always: 15 100 100% @idlers I don't understand that. @domains I don't understand that. I'll put an encore database up and get you information from that one. I'd list the code but why? At 10:41 PM 11/18/2001 -0500, JASON NOLAN wrote: >I can't remember if these are all on lambda/encore, or if we added >them, but these will get you some info: > >@domains >@uptime >@players >You could use @idlers to get a list of everyone and all their objects. > >-- >Jason Nolan PhD >Lecturer >Associate Educational Coordinator, Division of the Environment >Scholar in Residence, Knowledge Media Design Institute >University of Toronto >http://achieve.utoronto.ca/jason >(416)978-5656/3884f >ICQ: 6238593 > From egoff@mindspring.com Mon Nov 19 19:04:42 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:04:43 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15AC7288E5 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:04:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A82661A083E for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:04:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from user-2ives5g.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.112.176] helo=master) by hall.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 165zL6-0005t8-00; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 20:04:41 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20011119200511.00992588@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: egoff@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 20:05:11 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu, From: Edward Goff Subject: [encore] Re: info gathering In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-archive-position: 336 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: egoff@mindspring.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore At 12:45 AM 11/19/2001 -0800, Emily Marcus wrote: >Thanks Jason. > >@domains isn't working and I know that I have, at one point, seen a player's >domain info. Is it a property? This verb is evil if anyone other than a wizard has it. Thats like walking into a store and giving out your phone # and credit #'s From egoff@mindspring.com Mon Nov 19 19:09:22 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:09:23 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82BB8288D4 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:09:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 082F81A0899 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:09:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from user-2ives5g.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.112.176] helo=master) by hall.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 165zPc-0001o8-00; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 20:09:20 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20011119200950.00992588@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: egoff@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 20:09:50 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu, encore@utdallas.edu From: Edward Goff Subject: [encore] Re: EnCore Security Alert In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20011120041711.00a0deb0@mail.iinet.net.au> References: <3.0.6.32.20011118220258.009cdad0@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-archive-position: 337 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: egoff@mindspring.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore The most I've seen so far on this list is some wizard information getting into the wrong hands. IE sites you connect from. I am still an unbeliever, I a)hate to see encore go this way and b)would LOVE to see this.. Given time I'm sure the truth will come to the light and our "faker" will be found out. I mean seriously. IF such person was real and did what they said why would they need to "brag" how they "hacked" my moo. Which I've never posted an ip for an have NEVER run any encore stuff onthis database. This one is a plan vanilla lambda with ansi installed. My .02 I'll quit making change for others now. :P At 04:33 AM 11/20/2001 +0800, beuja@iinet.net.au wrote: >Believe me, this is a true situation. > >Don't know why I didn't see it before. > >I'm trying to send details to Jan (bounced - must have got the email wrong) > >What address is the correct? > >Scott Carmichael >beuja@iinet.net.au > >At 10:02 PM 18/11/2001 -0500, you wrote: >>At 04:29 PM 11/18/2001 -0600, Jan Rune Holmevik wrote: >> >Due to a security issue recently reported by Jason Nolan here on this list, >> >the enCore distribution has been taken off-line for an indefinite period of >> >time. We have not yet been able to determine exactly what the problem is. >> >Until a solution is found, however, we recommend that no one uses Xpress for >> >any wizard related work. >> > >> >Jan >> >>Its a shame that this has arrived. I personally would like to see logs and >>step by step instructions sent to, if no one else Jan, on how this is done. >>I am willing to help if this is a true situation. I have a secure site I >>can put a encore DB up on and beat it up all day long trying to get in. >> >> >>Edward > > > From mlamarcus@eurekanet.com Mon Nov 19 19:10:42 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:10:42 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E986288D4 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:10:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail5.mx.voyager.net (mail5.mx.voyager.net [216.93.66.204]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD3121A08C3 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:10:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from [209.239.136.218] ([209.239.136.218]) by mail5.mx.voyager.net (8.11.6/8.10.2) with ESMTP id fAK13Pm37549 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 20:03:26 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 22:08:14 -0800 Subject: [encore] Re: info gathering From: Emily Marcus To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20011119200511.00992588@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 338 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: mlamarcus@eurekanet.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore I'm a wizard and I needed it for collecting data on student login, so that we can see if students are utilizing computer labs. Emily Marcus Ohio University > From: Edward Goff > Reply-To: encore@utdallas.edu > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 20:05:11 -0500 > To: encore@utdallas.edu, > Subject: [encore] Re: info gathering > > At 12:45 AM 11/19/2001 -0800, Emily Marcus wrote: >> Thanks Jason. >> >> @domains isn't working and I know that I have, at one point, seen a player's >> domain info. Is it a property? > > This verb is evil if anyone other than a wizard has it. Thats like walking > into a store and giving out your phone # and credit #'s > > > > > > > From jason.nolan@utoronto.ca Mon Nov 19 19:10:56 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:10:57 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4BAB288F3 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:10:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts10.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.54]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1C331A0899 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:10:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from [10.0.1.2] ([64.229.96.40]) by tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20011120011049.ZWEL9849.tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net@[10.0.1.2]> for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 20:10:49 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jason.nolan@mailbox91.utcc.utoronto.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20011119200241.00992588@pop.mindspring.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20011119200241.00992588@pop.mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 20:07:48 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: JASON NOLAN Subject: [encore] Re: info gathering (fair warning spammy reply) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-archive-position: 339 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jason.nolan@utoronto.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Edward... you going to get around to contributing something useful? Or is this just trying to fill up your bandwidth quota? From herve@hawaii.edu Mon Nov 19 19:57:05 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:57:05 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B193288D4 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:57:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from m2.hawaii.edu (m2.hawaii.edu [128.171.94.30]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 440B41A0ABF for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:57:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.m2.hawaii.edu by m2.hawaii.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #38439) id <0GN200F01TET6E@m2.hawaii.edu>; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:56:57 -1000 (HST) Received: from herve.phys.hawaii.edu (herve.phys.hawaii.edu [128.171.11.114]) by m2.hawaii.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #38439) with ESMTP id <0GN200D9GTE378@m2.hawaii.edu>; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:56:27 -1000 (HST) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:59:04 -1000 (HST) From: rv Subject: [encore] Re: info gathering In-reply-to: X-X-Sender: To: encore@utdallas.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 340 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: herve@hawaii.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Emily, Why don't you try checking out #6.all_connect_places this records all IP sources of connections for players. You might wanna either add a verb in #6:confunc() to read it off and save it under the format you desire. or run regularly a verb that read it and record it somewhere. If you are concerned about privacy, then export it outside the db using FUP or I/O in a format that you like so that you can do statistics from those data easily using your favorite spreadsheet. Aloha, -rv, > I'm a wizard and I needed it for collecting data on student login, so that > we can see if students are utilizing computer labs. > > Emily Marcus > Ohio University > > > > From: Edward Goff > > Reply-To: encore@utdallas.edu > > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 20:05:11 -0500 > > To: encore@utdallas.edu, > > Subject: [encore] Re: info gathering > > > > At 12:45 AM 11/19/2001 -0800, Emily Marcus wrote: > >> Thanks Jason. > >> > >> @domains isn't working and I know that I have, at one point, seen a player's > >> domain info. Is it a property? > > > > This verb is evil if anyone other than a wizard has it. Thats like walking > > into a store and giving out your phone # and credit #'s > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- /-----------------------------------------\ MOOOOOooo...! @ http://moo.kcc.hawaii.edu / "Can I have a look at Uranus too?" (Rowling) From herve@hawaii.edu Mon Nov 19 23:56:13 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 19 Nov 2001 23:56:14 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70775288BC for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 23:56:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from m1.hawaii.edu (m1.hawaii.edu [128.171.94.13]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D12891A06DC for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 23:56:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.m1.hawaii.edu by m1.hawaii.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #38433) id <0GN3008014ERJT@m1.hawaii.edu>; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:54:27 -1000 (HST) Received: from herve.phys.hawaii.edu (herve.phys.hawaii.edu [128.171.11.114]) by m1.hawaii.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #38433) with ESMTP id <0GN3006HV4ERCH@m1.hawaii.edu>; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:54:27 -1000 (HST) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:57:03 -1000 (HST) From: rv Subject: [encore] Re: verb links? (was enCore player display and who button) In-reply-to: X-X-Sender: To: encore@utdallas.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 341 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: herve@hawaii.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore > Now I am interested in executing verbs via a link on the room/object > display page. Mark, Here is a cheap way of doing this. Hopefully someone will give you a cleaner way, but hopefully this will get you started on the process. If your object is a $thing children, copy #126:_html into it, and add something like: "add more stuff in the output here"; extra = {}; extra = {@extra, "This is a link to a verb"}; html = $list_utils:append(title, audio, visual, drawing, description, extra); right before the line: return html; @then create a verb called test_html with argument this none this and do whatever you wanna do there :) (read the content of the cookie jar for instance) In the exemple below, it reads off a particular property and displays its content: page = ""; page = page + "
listing the property of #774 called prop to be seen
"; for i in [1..length(this.prop_to_be_seen)] page = page + this.prop_to_be_seen[i]; page = page + "

"; endfor page = page + "et Voila!"; return {page}; This is very dirty. Instead, you might want to put your content into LISTs and append one to the other using for instance: page = {}; page = {@page, "new blabla"}; etc... then you can return the whole bugger when you're pau (return page). well, you'll see the way you prefer. I hope this helps, Aloha, -rv, /-----------------------------------------\ MOOOOOooo...! @ http://moo.kcc.hawaii.edu / "Can I have a look at Uranus too?" (Rowling) From jan.holmevik@uib.no Tue Nov 20 18:04:28 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:04:28 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F7BB288A1 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:04:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from alf.uib.no (alf.uib.no [129.177.30.3]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 693C01A046B for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:04:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from cm31383-b.ftwrth1.tx.home.com [24.4.16.114] by alf.uib.no for encore@utdallas.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.16) id 166KrU-0005Vm-00; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 01:03:32 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1302 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:03:29 -0600 Subject: [encore] enCore Security Taskforce From: Jan Rune Holmevik To: enCore list Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanner: exiscan *166KrU-0005Vm-00*zxKNEa4kLC6* http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-archive-position: 342 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jan.holmevik@uib.no Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore In order to deal with the recent security concerns related to enCore, we are today establishing a special taskforce to investigate these matters properly, and work toward solutions that will allow us to resume distribution as well as release security updates for existing installations. If you are willing and able to join in this effort please send us a mail off-list and we'll sign you up for the taskforce. Any help in resolving this matter is greatly appreciated. Regards, Cynthia and Jan __Jan Rune Holmevik, Cand Philol_________________________________________ University of Bergen jan@mac.com Department of Humanistic Informatics jan.holmevik@uib.no Sydnesplass 7, HF-bygget janruneh@utdallas.edu N-5007 Bergen, NORWAY http://lingua.utdallas.edu/jan From egoff@mindspring.com Tue Nov 20 19:49:49 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 20 Nov 2001 19:49:50 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9789288C6 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 19:49:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4447B1A0DEF for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 19:49:47 -0600 (CST) Received: from user-2iveskd.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.114.141] helo=master) by granger.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 166MWI-0004Mg-00 for encore@utdallas.edu; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:49:46 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20011120205028.0099c738@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: egoff@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:50:28 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Edward Goff Subject: [encore] Re: info gathering (fair warning spammy reply) In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.20011119200241.00992588@pop.mindspring.com> <3.0.6.32.20011119200241.00992588@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-archive-position: 343 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: egoff@mindspring.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore I've taken this message private, as such your crude comments should have been. I apologize if my comments offeneded you. Yet, I cannot stand children who haven't a clue making noise and a lot of bull, threaten a project which has been through so much and gained so much in the internet community. My contributions? Being one of the first people to EVER login to a moo database and being one of the original programmers. At 08:07 PM 11/19/2001 -0500, JASON NOLAN wrote: >Edward... you going to get around to contributing something useful? >Or is this just trying to fill up your bandwidth quota? > > > > > From egoff@mindspring.com Tue Nov 20 19:51:11 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 20 Nov 2001 19:51:12 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66839288C6 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 19:51:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0332E1A0DF4 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 19:51:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from user-2iveskd.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.114.141] helo=master) by granger.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 166MXe-0005LY-00; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:51:10 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20011120205151.0099c738@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: egoff@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:51:51 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu, encore@utdallas.edu From: Edward Goff Subject: [encore] Re: info gathering In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-archive-position: 344 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: egoff@mindspring.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore At 03:59 PM 11/19/2001 -1000, rv wrote: > >Emily, >Why don't you try checking out >#6.all_connect_places >this records all IP sources of connections for players. >You might wanna either add a verb in #6:confunc() to read it off and >save it under the format you desire. or run regularly a verb that read it >and record it somewhere. >If you are concerned about privacy, then export it outside the db using >FUP or I/O in a format that you like so that you can do statistics >from those data easily using your favorite spreadsheet. >Aloha, >-rv, What a grand IDea. I hadn't thought of going that route. We use a verb called @ipmatch. Which searchs the the players connected places. Does a match to any other characters and then offers to list ALL The connected places for all or a select list of players. From Mark.A.ONeil@Dartmouth.EDU Wed Nov 21 06:36:08 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 21 Nov 2001 06:36:09 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 830F0288C6 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 06:36:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailhub.Dartmouth.EDU (mailhub.dartmouth.edu [129.170.16.6]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C75991A0508 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 06:36:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (nh-dialup5-47.dartmouth.edu [129.170.77.47]) by mailhub.Dartmouth.EDU (8.9.3+DND/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA07029; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 07:36:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 07:35:29 -0500 Subject: [encore] Re: verb links? (was enCore player display and who button) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v475) Cc: parrishka To: encore@utdallas.edu From: "Mark A. ONeil" In-Reply-To: <3BF93C0B.1EDE41AC@sympatico.ca> Message-Id: <3F6B41F4-DE7C-11D5-A11E-003065553020@Dartmouth.EDU> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.475) X-archive-position: 345 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Mark.A.ONeil@Dartmouth.EDU Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore On Monday, November 19, 2001, at 12:06 PM, parrishka wrote: > Mark, > > your question points to some issues that I've been thinking about ever > since > the release of encore 3.0, where the "get" and "drop" verbs became "web > verbs" as you call it. I like that phrase. I've been using "gooified" > for > lack of a better term. Hmmm. Not having yet upgraded to 3.x I was not aware of the status of "get" and "drop" as web verbs - cool. I hope this is an optional setting on objects. > I'm interested in exploring the reasons behind these moves to gooify a > greater number of the command-line verbs. I love the Xpress GUI. I love > the > fact that it supports multi-media expression, and at the same time, > preserves the command-line interface. I love the fact that I am forced > as a > reader and user to oscillate between text and image, between dynamic and > static, between synchronous and asynchronous representation. I agree in part, please read on... > So, I get a bit puzzled when I see greater webbification of the dynamic > aspects of the MOO, because I see in it a danger of reducing the average > user's MOO experience to that of a hyperlinked environment, rather than > one > that is navigated by linguistic acts, and sustained by object oriented > programming. I suspect that the greater gooification of MOO commands > will > draw the user's attention away from the left side of the screen, will > move > their hands from keyboard to mouse, until finally, the left side of the > interface will become redundant, and GUI MOOs will become > collections of > web pages, with chat rooms stuck on the side. I think you do make a valid point here, reading between the lines (perhaps incorrectly) I see it as a result of the desired outcome of using the MOO - you mention "linguistic acts" this says to me that you are interested in the users using language to navigate the MOO and the resultant text based knowledge derived from that interaction - perhaps not. The greatest difficulty in selling the MOO as a collaborative environment/educational tool is the learning curve. This curve is complicated when we introduce 'new' objects to the MOO. It is hard to sell Faculty on the benefits of the MOO when there is the requirement that they educate their users on the use of the MOO. enCore greatly eases this learning curve. If we consider that most users are familiar with GUI HIs then it seems a natural transition to move the MOO in that direction. I feel that Web Verbs should be an _option_ to be used at the discretion of the designer. Given the great ability of our current student pool to multi-task I have noticed that they take to both worlds easily and have little difficulty in taking a holistic view of enCore. I feel the major reason that GUI MOOs will not become mere collections of web pages is that the MOO is rooted in a object oriented 'spacial' realm while web pages are not. Adding links to verbs merely facilitates access to and exposes the actions one may take on the objects with which the verbs are associated. I predict that as the applets which perform the communication function develop we will see further integration of GUI tools which help in navigation and object interaction. I feel that it is a natural progression. I think that the use of the differing approaches (GUI vs text) should be based on the designers goals and the MOO space's pedagogical intent. As a side note I'm curious in how P. Curtis has evolved the MOO in his product. > As I write this, I feel again the compulsion to clarify- I am not > anti-GUI. > In fact, I have a piece coming out in this year's Cybertext Yearbook > which > celebrates the expressive potential of GUI MOOs. I am also not against > the > move to make MOOs more accessible for the "average user," as long as > these > efforts don't water the MOO experience down to the point where we are no > longer MOOing. But I don't actually find that the gooification of verbs > such > as "get" or "open" makes my MOOing easier. I have to move my hands from > keyboard to mouse, which is a pain, especially when you're working with > students in a computer lab where the majority of the mouses (mice?) are > barely functional. MOOing, in my mind, is a sharing of ideas and experiences in a collaborative environment, hopefully, rich in interactive objects which enhance the experience. Having a GUI which exposes verbs to the novice is a start in the direction of making the MOO more accessible. To be perfectly honest I rarely use the links, I type the commands, my hands rarely leave the keyboard so I do not see why this is a problem. Users are conditioned at this point to using the mouse and do not see it as an infringement on their creativity (I thought this debate had long since been resolved). Just because driving a manual transmission enhances the driving experience does not mean that we all should have to shift gears to get to where we want to be.... > I guess I'm interested to know why you and others want more web-linked > verbs. Select verbs not all, custom verbs especially come to mind, and above all exposing verbs via the GUI should, no, _needs_ to be an option. I am planning to take the suggestions posted by rv and create web-things (children of thing - sounds like an Adams Family sequel!) which may expose all or part of their verbs. > Katherine Parrish Sincerely, -m --- Mark O'Neil Academic Applications Developer Academic Computing Dartmouth College 6224 Baker/Berry Peter Kiewit Computing Services Hanover, NH 03755 From rswanson@lausd.k12.ca.us Wed Nov 21 10:24:04 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:24:05 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24007288BB for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:24:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from maile.lausd.k12.ca.us (maile.lausd.k12.ca.us [209.232.1.93]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6973F1A02F6 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:24:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from lausdnet01 (lausdnet01.lausd.k12.ca.us [10.8.21.139]) by maile.lausd.k12.ca.us (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3/LAUSD-IBM-001) with ESMTP id IAA32392 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 08:11:51 -0800 X-WebMail-UserID: rswanson Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 08:22:12 -0800 Sender: Russ Swanson From: Russ Swanson To: encore@utdallas.edu X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002744 Subject: [encore] Re: encore Digest V1 #118 Message-ID: <3BF26586@lausdnet01> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61.07 X-archive-position: 346 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: rswanson@lausd.k12.ca.us Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi. I understand the need to secure the platform. However, in order to eventually upgrade to any new security patches, I will have to have all current patches installed, which I haven't. WOuld it be possible to post only the current patches, and not the latest core, so I can catch up? >===== Original Message From encore@utdallas.edu ===== >encore Digest Tue, 20 Nov 2001 Volume: 01 Issue: 118 > >In This Issue: > [encore] Re: info gathering (fair warning spammy reply) > [encore] Re: info gathering > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:03:29 -0600 >Subject: [encore] enCore Security Taskforce >From: Jan Rune Holmevik > > >In order to deal with the recent security concerns related to enCore, we are >today establishing a special taskforce to investigate these matters >properly, and work toward solutions that will allow us to resume >distribution as well as release security updates for existing installations. > >If you are willing and able to join in this effort please send us a mail >off-list and we'll sign you up for the taskforce. Any help in resolving this >matter is greatly appreciated. > >Regards, >Cynthia and Jan > >__Jan Rune Holmevik, Cand Philol_________________________________________ >University of Bergen jan@mac.com >Department of Humanistic Informatics jan.holmevik@uib.no >Sydnesplass 7, HF-bygget janruneh@utdallas.edu >N-5007 Bergen, NORWAY http://lingua.utdallas.edu/jan > > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:50:28 -0500 >From: Edward Goff >Subject: [encore] Re: info gathering (fair warning spammy reply) > > >I've taken this message private, as such your crude comments should have >been. I apologize if my comments offeneded you. Yet, I cannot stand >children who haven't a clue making noise and a lot of bull, threaten a >project which has been through so much and gained so much in the internet >community. My contributions? Being one of the first people to EVER login to >a moo database and being one of the original programmers. > >At 08:07 PM 11/19/2001 -0500, JASON NOLAN wrote: >>Edward... you going to get around to contributing something useful? >>Or is this just trying to fill up your bandwidth quota? >> >> >> >> >> > > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:51:51 -0500 >From: Edward Goff >Subject: [encore] Re: info gathering > > >At 03:59 PM 11/19/2001 -1000, rv wrote: >> >>Emily, >>Why don't you try checking out >>#6.all_connect_places >>this records all IP sources of connections for players. >>You might wanna either add a verb in #6:confunc() to read it off and >>save it under the format you desire. or run regularly a verb that read it >>and record it somewhere. >>If you are concerned about privacy, then export it outside the db using >>FUP or I/O in a format that you like so that you can do statistics >>from those data easily using your favorite spreadsheet. >>Aloha, >>-rv, > >What a grand IDea. I hadn't thought of going that route. We use a verb >called @ipmatch. Which searchs the the players connected places. Does a >match to any other characters and then offers to list ALL The connected >places for all or a select list of players. > > > > >------------------------------ > >End of encore Digest V1 #118 >**************************** Russ Swanson, MCP Instructional Technology Applications Facilitator (ITAF) LAUSD, District C From admin@yeppoon.shs.net.au Wed Nov 21 17:43:00 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 21 Nov 2001 17:43:01 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 264FB288A3 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 17:43:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from bastion.yeppoon.shs.net.au (unknown [203.28.229.6]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62BFF1A112D for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 17:41:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from ITAdmin (b3-admin.yeppoon.shs.net.au [203.28.229.7]) by bastion.yeppoon.shs.net.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA22617 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 08:54:22 +1000 From: "Yeppoon SHS Network Administrator" To: Subject: [encore] Another little loophole Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 09:43:35 +1000 Message-ID: <001901c172e6$576313c0$6e68790a@yeppoon.shs.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal X-archive-position: 347 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: admin@yeppoon.shs.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore I found another little loophole - players with builder status were able to @chparent to programmers. Some of my "little darlings" (14 yr old's) found out they could do this. Apparently the fertile flag was set on programmers. Just in case this was something I had accidentally done I checked it with a brand new version of encore - sure enough it was set there too. Ok, so I reset the fertile flag and now they can no longer do it but our wizards can still upgrade builders to programmers. We don't let our students become programmers unless they are invovled in one of our Computing Subjects and have some programming experience, hence the additional control is necessary for us bearing in mind our clientele ages range from 13 -> 18. It may not be important for others but it definitely is for us Regards -------------------------------------------------------- Roy Kennedy IT Co-ordinator Yeppoon High School Yeppoon, Qld Phone: 07 4939 1815 Fax: 07 4939 4834 Email Addresses admin@yeppoon.shs.net.au kennro@yeppoonshs.qld.edu.au Web http://www.yeppoon.shs.net.au http://www.yeppoonshs.qld.edu.au -------------------------------------------------------- QTU Member -------------------------------------------------------- From jan.holmevik@uib.no Thu Nov 22 05:31:01 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 22 Nov 2001 05:31:02 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 213CF288A3 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 05:30:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from alf.uib.no (alf.uib.no [129.177.30.3]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3F171A11A0 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 05:30:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from cm31383-b.ftwrth1.tx.home.com [24.4.16.114] by alf.uib.no for encore@utdallas.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.16) id 166s25-0004jF-00; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 12:28:41 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1302 Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 05:28:39 -0600 Subject: [encore] Re: Another little loophole From: Jan Rune Holmevik To: enCore list Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001901c172e6$576313c0$6e68790a@yeppoon.shs.net.au> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanner: exiscan *166s25-0004jF-00*HjvWg6N5LMw* http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-archive-position: 348 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jan.holmevik@uib.no Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi and thanks for the report. In order to become a programmer in LambdaMOO, a player must be chparented to $prog and have its programmer bit set to 1. Simply typing @chparent me to $prog will not do. However, what you've found is a flaw in Xpress whereby the status of the programmer flag is not properly checked, thus a person who is a subclass of $prog without having its progbit will indeed get access to the Xpress program editor. The prog editor will not function properly in this case however. A fix for this will be issued as soon as I have time to work on it. If you find other problems of this nature, I hope you will report them to me first before making public announcements on the list. Once information such as this becomes available before a solution to the problem has been found everyone is at risk of being cracked. The Generic Programmer should be set to fertile for it to work properly. I do not recommend fixing this by making it non-fertile. Regards, Jan On 11/21/01 5:43 PM, "Yeppoon SHS Network Administrator" wrote: > I found another little loophole - players with builder status were able to > @chparent to programmers. Some of my "little darlings" (14 yr old's) found > out they could do this. Apparently the fertile flag was set on programmers. > Just in case this was something I had accidentally done I checked it with a > brand new version of encore - sure enough it was set there too. > > Ok, so I reset the fertile flag and now they can no longer do it but our > wizards can still upgrade builders to programmers. > > We don't let our students become programmers unless they are invovled in one > of our Computing Subjects and have some programming experience, hence the > additional control is necessary for us bearing in mind our clientele ages > range from 13 -> 18. It may not be important for others but it definitely > is for us > > Regards > > -------------------------------------------------------- > Roy Kennedy > IT Co-ordinator > Yeppoon High School > Yeppoon, Qld > Phone: 07 4939 1815 > Fax: 07 4939 4834 > Email Addresses > admin@yeppoon.shs.net.au > kennro@yeppoonshs.qld.edu.au > Web > http://www.yeppoon.shs.net.au > http://www.yeppoonshs.qld.edu.au > -------------------------------------------------------- > QTU Member > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > __Jan Rune Holmevik, Cand Philol_________________________________________ University of Bergen jan@mac.com Department of Humanistic Informatics jan.holmevik@uib.no Sydnesplass 7, HF-bygget janruneh@utdallas.edu N-5007 Bergen, NORWAY http://lingua.utdallas.edu/jan From john-reynolds@rocketmail.com Fri Nov 23 10:53:53 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 23 Nov 2001 10:53:55 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78509288AE for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 10:53:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from web14708.mail.yahoo.com (web14708.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.125]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 38A8C1A067B for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 15:22:26 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <20011122212225.61600.qmail@web14708.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [144.137.92.204] by web14708.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 13:22:25 PST Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 13:22:25 -0800 (PST) From: John Reynolds Subject: [encore] NSW Schools To: encore@utdallas.edu In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 349 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: john-reynolds@rocketmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hello out there. Are there any teachers in NSW Australia who are MOOing? I am interested in setting up a moo, but I would like to talk with those already doing it to ensure I remove any hurdles first. Some questions I have: What is the state systems position on MOOs? How do you provide adequate access to students? What uses are being made of MOOs? Is anyone using a moo for Science? Thanks John Reynolds john-reynolds@rocketmail.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From jan.holmevik@uib.no Fri Nov 23 13:42:20 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 23 Nov 2001 13:42:21 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69451288AE for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 13:42:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from alf.uib.no (alf.uib.no [129.177.30.3]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADE0A1A0665 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 13:42:16 -0600 (CST) Received: from cm31383-b.ftwrth1.tx.home.com [24.4.16.114] by alf.uib.no for encore@utdallas.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.16) id 167MD8-0004GE-00; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 20:42:07 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1302 Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 13:42:03 -0600 Subject: [encore] EnCore interim update From: Jan Rune Holmevik To: enCore list Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="B_3089367727_1904981" X-Scanner: exiscan *167MD8-0004GE-00*BzAQi2SCbBM* http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-archive-position: 350 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jan.holmevik@uib.no Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3089367727_1904981 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Included in this mail is an interim fix for the issue described by Roy Kennedy. This code will also be included in a larger forthcoming security patch. The issue noted by Mr. Kennedy is a function of the way LambdaCore works. Builders have access to the command @chparent and can indeed change their super class to $prog. However, it's important to note that, even so, their programmer bit must be set in order for them to actually do any programming, or otherwise take advantage of the programmer commands. The @chparent command will not set the programmer bit. Currently, Xpress does not check the prog bit on a player before showing them the program tool bar button. So if a builder has chparented herself to $prog she will be able to open the program editor. However, at this point the normal permission checks kicks in and prevents her from actually using the editor. The code in this patch introduces a prog flag check when the tool bar is generated, so that "false" programmers won't see the prog editor toolbar button. 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Since I am assuming many things about the way the Web coding works. Would it not be cleaner, not only on the core side but on the web interface side as well to write a small verb that @chparent, as well as many others may/might call to check and verify permissions to do so first. I'd have to go digging thru some code but I /think/ we did something like that. So our staff builders could access many needed functions but be only builders. While our Administrators, Mini-wizards as you were, could maintain things without having to ask a wizard to handle any "ongoing" situation for them. From karper@expert.cc.purdue.edu Sat Nov 24 19:40:26 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Sat, 24 Nov 2001 19:40:27 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C65A2288A1 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 19:40:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from expert.cc.purdue.edu (expert.cc.purdue.edu [128.210.10.11]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9C151A052D for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 19:34:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (karper@localhost) by expert.cc.purdue.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA10598; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 20:34:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 20:34:52 -0500 (EST) From: Erin Karper To: enCore list Cc: Allan Crain Subject: [encore] Re: EnCore interim update In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20011124202333.009a4e28@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 352 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: karper@expert.cc.purdue.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore On the MOO I run, which serves as classroom space for sections of introductory composition and business and technical writing one of our admins wrote a "teacher" class that we've chparented all instructors to. This gives them access to creating accounts and deleting accounts that they've created, and a few other functions. We'd be glad to make the modules we created available to anyone interested, or to make them available as part of an Encore distribution. Erin From jason.nolan@utoronto.ca Sun Nov 25 14:54:20 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:54:20 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 936AA288AA for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:54:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from tomts19-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts19.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.73]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5B7E1A02EF for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:54:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from [10.0.1.4] ([64.229.112.45]) by tomts19-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20011125205416.PULR10804.tomts19-srv.bellnexxia.net@[10.0.1.4]> for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 15:54:16 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jason.nolan@mailbox91.utcc.utoronto.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 15:47:45 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: JASON NOLAN Subject: [encore] Re: EnCore interim update Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-archive-position: 353 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jason.nolan@utoronto.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Sounds wonderful. We've come at it from a somewhat different angle in terms of 'project management' and I'm sure everyone would be interested in seeing different ways of doing things. Can you give more detailed info, for our general interest? >On the MOO I run, which serves as classroom space for sections of >introductory composition and business and technical writing one of our >admins wrote a "teacher" class that we've chparented all instructors to. >This gives them access to creating accounts and deleting accounts that >they've created, and a few other functions. > >We'd be glad to make the modules we created available to anyone >interested, or to make them available as part of an Encore distribution. > >Erin -- Jason Nolan PhD Lecturer Associate Educational Coordinator, Division of the Environment Scholar in Residence, Knowledge Media Design Institute University of Toronto http://achieve.utoronto.ca/jason (416)978-5656/3884f ICQ: 6238593 From keustace@csu.edu.au Sun Nov 25 19:16:12 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Sun, 25 Nov 2001 19:16:13 -0600 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBA5A288AA for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 19:16:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from csunw.riv.csu.edu.au (csunw.riv.csu.edu.au [137.166.76.1]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B32221A03C9 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 19:16:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from XCWW01.CSUMain.csu.edu.au (xcww01.riv.csu.edu.au [137.166.216.22]) by csunw.riv.csu.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08721 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:18:35 +1100 (EST) Received: by XCWW01.CSUMain.csu.edu.au with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:17:33 +1100 Message-ID: <211F78EFD1D870409CC3E4158F4881DA01A1D241@XCWW01.CSUMain.csu.edu.au> From: "Eustace, Ken" To: "'encore@utdallas.edu'" Subject: [encore] Re: NSW Schools Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:17:23 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-archive-position: 354 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: keustace@csu.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore John, Educational MOO use in Australia was inhibited by a journalist who wrote a popular Internt book in the early ninetuies, in which she falsely stated that MUD/MOO use was banned in Australia. The reality was that IT managers were concerned about time wasting by students and there never was such a ban - just an opinion that got some sway. The ISPG at CSU in Wagga Wagga (http://ispg.csu.edu.au) has been running MOO's since 1994. It started with AussieMOO and now uses enCore systems for teaching MOO programming, groupwork issues, ethics, CSCW and online communities for undergraduates and postgraduates in IT, education, teacher librarianship and business administration, using LC_MOO as a professional workgroups centre at http://ispg.csu.edu.au:8800 and K9 DogWorld (for newbies and R&D MOO projects) has guest accounts at http://ispg.csu.edu.au:9000. We have several schools in NSW, Vic and Tas involved with a PhD student at the primary school level. For 2002 we hope to patch all MOO's up to the latest secure version as upgrade our services with the latest hardware to meet demand. Other MOO's we use for projects are K2 - a mountain climbing metaphor (not running) and GalileoWorld at http://ispg.csu.edu.au:51800 (for astrophics and the search for extra-solar planets as its theme. I think GalileoWorld can be used successfully in science and we can open it up to students, with a proposal from your school. It too has guest accounts. Epsilon Eridani, a star very similar to the Sun, (0.85 solar mass)is the starting point and slightly cooler at 5180 degrees Kelvin and much younger at less than a billion years old. Have a look around and you get some more ideas. One problem with NSW is the issue of port blocking for security. We can give you the telnet and HTTP ports involved and then your local or regional admin person can release them. Roy Kennedy has being doing well at Yeppoon State High School in QLD and is also on this list. The ISPG would like to help coordinate and bring together the re-surgent activity on MOO use in schools. Most kids love it. Feel free to contact me at anytime for help during the first half of 2002. Regards, Ken -----Original Message----- From: John Reynolds [mailto:john-reynolds@rocketmail.com] Sent: Friday, 23 November 2001 8:22 To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] NSW Schools Hello out there. Are there any teachers in NSW Australia who are MOOing? I am interested in setting up a moo, but I would like to talk with those already doing it to ensure I remove any hurdles first. Some questions I have: What is the state systems position on MOOs? How do you provide adequate access to students? What uses are being made of MOOs? Is anyone using a moo for Science? Thanks John Reynolds john-reynolds@rocketmail.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1