From cynthiah@utdallas.edu Sat Sep 1 02:03:08 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Sat, 01 Sep 2001 02:03:09 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D975D28772 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 02:03:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from apache.utdallas.edu (apache.utdallas.edu [129.110.16.9]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84A661A0713 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 02:03:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: by apache.utdallas.edu (Postfix, from userid 7190) id CABA322571; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 02:03:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by apache.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0633122570 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 02:03:07 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 02:03:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Cynthia Haynes To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Re: Adjust spacing in slide projector? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 240 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: cynthiah@utdallas.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Lennie, I took at look at it as well and can't figure out how to delete that space. I suggest you contact the creator of the projector, Ken Schweller (schweller@bvu.edu). Maybe he can help, and if so, please forward his reply to the list. Best, Cynthia _____cynthiah@utdallas.edu______ _____http://www.utdallas.edu/~cynthiah/_____ _____Lingua MOO_____http://lingua.utdallas.edu:7000______ University of Texas at Dallas, School of Arts & Humanities PO Box 830688-Mail Station JO 31, Richardson, Tx 75083 Tel: 972-883-6340 - Fax: 972-883-2989 From herve@hawaii.edu Sat Sep 1 04:16:14 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Sat, 01 Sep 2001 04:16:15 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16FFE288C9 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 04:16:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from m1.hawaii.edu (m1.hawaii.edu [128.171.94.13]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52A411A06C9 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 04:16:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.m1.hawaii.edu by m1.hawaii.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #38433) id <0GIZ00F018ETR6@m1.hawaii.edu>; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 23:16:05 -1000 (HST) Received: from herve.phys.hawaii.edu (herve.phys.hawaii.edu [128.171.11.114]) by m1.hawaii.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #38433) with ESMTP id <0GIZ00AOA8ESEV@m1.hawaii.edu>; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 23:16:05 -1000 (HST) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 11:32:42 -1000 (HST) From: rv Subject: [encore] Re: Adjust spacing in slide projector? In-reply-to: X-Sender: herve@herve.phys.hawaii.edu To: encore@utdallas.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-archive-position: 241 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: herve@hawaii.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Lennie, @create another show() verb on your child object and insert the following: The reason why there is so much space is because of the remainder variable. You can either change 20 to a lower value every time it appears in the codes or use what follows: there is a line before and after the slide as well as right before the last **** line and right after the first one. aloha, - -rv, - ------ if (!(this in player.location.contents) && this.location != player) player:tell("I see no ", this.name, " here..."); return; endif sn = tonum(dobjstr); if (sn > 10) player:tell("sorry, ", this.name, " holds a max of 10 slides."); return; endif s = this.("s" + dobjstr); size = length(s); for thing in (player.location.contents) thing:tell(""); thing:tell(player.name, " shows slide #", sn, "."); thing:tell(""); thing:tell(" * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *"); thing:tell(""); for n in [1..size] thing:tell(s[n]); endfor thing:tell(""); thing:tell(" * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *"); thing:tell(""); $command_utils:suspend_if_needed(0); endfor > Lennie, > I took at look at it as well and can't figure out how to delete > that space. I suggest you contact the creator of the projector, Ken > Schweller (schweller@bvu.edu). Maybe he can help, and if so, please > forward his reply to the list. > > Best, > > Cynthia > > > > _____cynthiah@utdallas.edu______ > _____http://www.utdallas.edu/~cynthiah/_____ > _____Lingua MOO_____http://lingua.utdallas.edu:7000______ > University of Texas at Dallas, School of Arts & Humanities > PO Box 830688-Mail Station JO 31, Richardson, Tx 75083 > Tel: 972-883-6340 - Fax: 972-883-2989 > > > > - -- "Doué d'une naïveté permanente, il vivait plus que les autres" Vian. http://www2.hawaii.edu/~herve/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7jrEDuLGI7caQcl0RAnunAJ9tW9Rn49ymlv1/r6O9CNwZItiz6gCg1hKi 4eyX//4fu9yNTOMpTEh6NQA= =mtR/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Lirvin@ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU Sat Sep 1 21:54:57 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Sat, 01 Sep 2001 21:54:58 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE8252874F for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 21:54:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 1E0461A0229 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 21:54:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Ir191470 [10.1.11.59] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Sat, 01 Sep 2001 21:54:51 CDT From: "Lennie Irvin" To: Subject: [encore] Re: Adjust spacing in slide projector? Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 23:01:30 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-archive-position: 242 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Lirvin@accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Thanks rv! I copied and pasted your code over the SHOW verb that was there, and it works great--less space. Here's how it looks now: Lennie shows slide #3. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** Let's return to the Library Instruction Program page. Now click on Library Research Skills Program. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * That's a much more reasonable spacing. I was wondering, should I correct the code in the REVIEW command as well because it has the same spacing difficulty? I looked at the code for REVIEW and it is enough different that I didn't feel confident in copying the SHOW code into it. Is this the kind of adjustment to an object that should be included into a new release of encore? Lennie -----Original Message----- From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu]On Behalf Of rv Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 2:33 PM To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Re: Adjust spacing in slide projector? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Lennie, @create another show() verb on your child object and insert the following: The reason why there is so much space is because of the remainder variable. You can either change 20 to a lower value every time it appears in the codes or use what follows: there is a line before and after the slide as well as right before the last **** line and right after the first one. aloha, - -rv, - ------ if (!(this in player.location.contents) && this.location != player) player:tell("I see no ", this.name, " here..."); return; endif sn = tonum(dobjstr); if (sn > 10) player:tell("sorry, ", this.name, " holds a max of 10 slides."); return; endif s = this.("s" + dobjstr); size = length(s); for thing in (player.location.contents) thing:tell(""); thing:tell(player.name, " shows slide #", sn, "."); thing:tell(""); thing:tell(" * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *"); thing:tell(""); for n in [1..size] thing:tell(s[n]); endfor thing:tell(""); thing:tell(" * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *"); thing:tell(""); $command_utils:suspend_if_needed(0); endfor > Lennie, > I took at look at it as well and can't figure out how to delete > that space. I suggest you contact the creator of the projector, Ken > Schweller (schweller@bvu.edu). Maybe he can help, and if so, please > forward his reply to the list. > > Best, > > Cynthia > > > > _____cynthiah@utdallas.edu______ > _____http://www.utdallas.edu/~cynthiah/_____ > _____Lingua MOO_____http://lingua.utdallas.edu:7000______ > University of Texas at Dallas, School of Arts & Humanities > PO Box 830688-Mail Station JO 31, Richardson, Tx 75083 > Tel: 972-883-6340 - Fax: 972-883-2989 > > > > - -- "Doui d'une naoveti permanente, il vivait plus que les autres" Vian. http://www2.hawaii.edu/~herve/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7jrEDuLGI7caQcl0RAnunAJ9tW9Rn49ymlv1/r6O9CNwZItiz6gCg1hKi 4eyX//4fu9yNTOMpTEh6NQA= =mtR/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From herve@hawaii.edu Sat Sep 1 23:25:35 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Sat, 01 Sep 2001 23:25:36 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 554AB2874F for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 23:25:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from m2.hawaii.edu (m2.hawaii.edu [128.171.94.30]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 385381A0251 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 23:25:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.m2.hawaii.edu by m2.hawaii.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #38439) id <0GJ000D01PME3M@m2.hawaii.edu>; Sat, 01 Sep 2001 18:25:26 -1000 (HST) Received: from herve.phys.hawaii.edu (herve.phys.hawaii.edu [128.171.11.114]) by m2.hawaii.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #38439) with ESMTP id <0GJ000BAAPMED8@m2.hawaii.edu>; Sat, 01 Sep 2001 18:25:26 -1000 (HST) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 06:41:53 -1000 (HST) From: rv Subject: [encore] Re: Adjust spacing in slide projector? In-reply-to: X-Sender: herve@herve.phys.hawaii.edu To: encore@utdallas.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-archive-position: 243 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: herve@hawaii.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Lennie, You are welcome, %That's a much more reasonable spacing. I was wondering, should I correct %the code in the REVIEW command as well because it has the same spacing %difficulty? Follows is the code for the :review() verb. I believe the author did it this way so that the slide can't missed the attention of the viewers, as with the remainder it occupies the whole screen of a typical client (25 rows or so). There might be some other reasons...? I think you might want to create those modified verbs on a children of the Generic Slide Projector and include credits of the author in the .help_msg mentioning that his codes have be stripped off in a barbarian way... :) So, that if other people would like to use that space, it would be still available to them, and if some other want not to have that space present, can use the children of #101. Aloha, - -rv, for review(): if (!(this in player.location.contents) && this.location != player) player:tell("I see no ", this.name, " here..."); return; endif sn = tonum(dobjstr); if (sn > 10) player:tell("sorry, ", this.name, " holds a max of 10 slides."); return; endif player:tell(""); player:tell("You review slide #", sn, "."); player:tell(""); player:tell(" * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *"); s = this.("s" + dobjstr); size = length(s); player:tell(""); for n in [1..size] player:tell(s[n]); endfor player:tell(""); player:tell(" * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *"); player:tell(""); %-----Original Message----- %From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu]On %Behalf Of rv %Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 2:33 PM %To: encore@utdallas.edu %Subject: [encore] Re: Adjust spacing in slide projector? % % % %Lennie, % %@create another show() verb on your child object and insert the following: %The reason why there is so much space is because of the remainder %variable. You can either change 20 to a lower value every time it appears %in the codes or use what follows: there is a line before and after the %slide as well as right before the last **** line and right after the first %one. %aloha, %-rv, % %------ %if (!(this in player.location.contents) && this.location != player) % player:tell("I see no ", this.name, " here..."); % return; %endif %sn = tonum(dobjstr); %if (sn > 10) % player:tell("sorry, ", this.name, " holds a max of 10 slides."); % return; %endif %s = this.("s" + dobjstr); %size = length(s); %for thing in (player.location.contents) % thing:tell(""); % thing:tell(player.name, " shows slide #", sn, "."); % thing:tell(""); % thing:tell(" * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * %*"); % thing:tell(""); % for n in [1..size] % thing:tell(s[n]); % endfor % thing:tell(""); % thing:tell(" * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * %*"); % thing:tell(""); % $command_utils:suspend_if_needed(0); %endfor % % % %> Lennie, %> I took at look at it as well and can't figure out how to delete %> that space. I suggest you contact the creator of the projector, Ken %> Schweller (schweller@bvu.edu). Maybe he can help, and if so, please %> forward his reply to the list. %> %> Best, %> %> Cynthia %> %> %> %> _____cynthiah@utdallas.edu______ %> _____http://www.utdallas.edu/~cynthiah/_____ %> _____Lingua MOO_____http://lingua.utdallas.edu:7000______ %> University of Texas at Dallas, School of Arts & Humanities %> PO Box 830688-Mail Station JO 31, Richardson, Tx 75083 %> Tel: 972-883-6340 - Fax: 972-883-2989 %> %> %> %> % %-- %"Doui d'une naoveti permanente, il vivait plus que les autres" Vian. %http://www2.hawaii.edu/~herve/ % % % % % %------------ Output from gpg ------------ %gpg: Signature made Thu 30 Aug 2001 11:32:51 AM HST using DSA key ID C690725D %gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found % % - -- "Doué d'une naïveté permanente, il vivait plus que les autres" Vian. http://www2.hawaii.edu/~herve/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7j75Z68cFP+wZ+M8RAm3uAKCPWKfUzHKToDM+1C3diQH6lR71OQCgil0N cnZAN0a5HNKU42Q/gZO2RfI= =7+bM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From beuja@iinet.net.au Sat Sep 8 17:16:37 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Sat, 08 Sep 2001 17:16:38 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70F722874F for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 17:16:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (symphony-06.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.38]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id E5A751A0428 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 17:16:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 392 invoked by uid 666); 8 Sep 2001 22:16:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.iinet.net.au) (203.59.167.201) by iinet.net.au with SMTP; 8 Sep 2001 22:16:21 -0000 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20010909055556.00a62820@mail.iinet.net.au> X-Sender: beuja@mail.iinet.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 06:17:01 +0800 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: beuja@iinet.net.au Subject: [encore] enCore_web_application and url encoded data In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-archive-position: 244 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: beuja@iinet.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi When accessing a web application how is url encoded data passed to a verb? ie: If I am trying to access http://mymoo/mywebapp/myverb?mydata=1234&mydata2=abcd What do I need to do in $mywebapp:myverb to have access to mydata, mydata2 and their values? Thanks, Scott From beuja@iinet.net.au Sun Sep 9 14:27:15 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Sun, 09 Sep 2001 14:27:16 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15EED288D2 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 14:27:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (symphony-01.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.33]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 173731A00BF for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 14:27:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 18171 invoked by uid 666); 9 Sep 2001 19:27:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.iinet.net.au) (203.59.217.78) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 9 Sep 2001 19:27:03 -0000 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20010910032036.00a5b320@mail.iinet.net.au> X-Sender: beuja@mail.iinet.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 03:27:50 +0800 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: beuja@iinet.net.au Subject: [encore] redundant code in $xpress_login:login? In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20010909055556.00a62820@mail.iinet.net.au> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-archive-position: 245 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: beuja@iinet.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore I figured out my last problem, but while digging around I noticed 2 lines of code. Is the first old redundant code? or is it there for a reason. $xpress_login:login 41: passwordForm = {tostr("

Password

")}; 42: passwordForm = {tostr("

Password

")}; Scott From j.turner@qut.edu.au Mon Sep 10 07:35:28 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 10 Sep 2001 07:35:29 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6C7D2889A for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 07:35:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tu01m1.qut.edu.au (mail.qut.edu.au [131.181.127.183]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 835811A052B for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 07:35:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mail.qut.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-33 #46658) id <0GJG0CR015MGVM@mail.qut.edu.au> for encore@utdallas.edu; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:35:11 +1000 (EST) Received: from pigeon.qut.edu.au (pigeon.qut.edu.au [131.181.127.98]) by mail.qut.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-33 #46658) with ESMTP id <0GJG0BXIX5LTMX@mail.qut.edu.au> for encore@utdallas.edu; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:34:41 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (turnerj@localhost) by pigeon.qut.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA13806 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:34:41 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:34:41 +1000 (EST) From: "truna aka j.turner" Subject: [encore] ah yes, writing class the nite before .. In-reply-to: To: encore@utdallas.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-archive-position: 246 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: j.turner@qut.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore greetings ... not a tech question really ... i am - as usual - practising utter brinkmanship with tomorrow's tutorial group - i am giving them an excercise in the possibilities of different directional 'voices' in moo based text ... some based on susan warshauer's 'aesthetic approaches' .. anyhow i have three distinct voices to offer the kids thus far: Instructional voice - epitomised by the 'you see' approach. this voice might include details of what to do and how to behave Direct voice - the 'welcome' approach. This voice might offer a combination of instructional voice but resides mainly in description and assumption that the reader knows what to do. Emotional voice - offers sensory input, possibly in the form of rich description, sensual ambience or poetic encouragement yeah, crude i know - these kids are artists and techies and need scaffolding ... i have been into my favorite moo hang outs looking for folk to quiz but everywhere is empty, are you all on holiday? anyway, if anyone is up tonite and can see a glaring ommission i would be so pleased ... for example, what would a game specific voice be? i have it as still fitting into one of the three above categories or being a combination? the rest of the activity is a delightful indulging in a trip to the city (architectural spaces) - a train trip (interface semiotics) and a stroll along the beach (excuse very thin ... possibly sand castle building if the tide is out! :) ) don't you wish you were still an undergrad? cheers, love truna ***************************************************** truna aka j.turner : Educational Technology Interface Lecturer in Technology, Literacy & Language QUT, Brisbane, Australia ***************************************************** internet 101 (IDMT): http://www.cdes.qut.edu.au/units/aan818/draft/ lost cities : http://education.qut.edu.au/turnerj/aab814/ the eMU papers: http://www.fed.qut.edu.au/tesol/cmc/emu/ jalapeno : jalapeno@qut.edu.au ) personal email : j.turner@qut.edu.au 8==%^^^^^^^^^^~/^^' business email : truna@truna.net " truna " ICQ : #12145525 From janet@hhcl.com Mon Sep 10 08:01:41 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 10 Sep 2001 08:01:42 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BBB62889A for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 08:01:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from zygote.hhcl.com (unknown [212.36.149.2]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59C6F1A05B0 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 08:01:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hhcl.com (private.hhcl.com [212.36.149.213]) by zygote.hhcl.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f8ACuS607315; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:56:30 +0100 Message-ID: <3B9CB8FB.493A35AE@hhcl.com> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:58:35 +0100 From: Jane Tandy Organization: HHCL and Partners X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-CCK-MCD (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Re: ah yes, writing class the nite before .. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 247 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: janet@hhcl.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore hi truna, i am up and working on the other side of the world :-) it sounds like an interesting tut, wish i was there (especially the sand castle building) i think i would add something along the lines of the "conversant voice" (?) it feels as if the three voices you've offered so far are very much from the designers to the participants, whereas, for me, the beauty of teh MOO environment is how much impact the participants have on the tone of the session. e.g. i regularly interact with various different people online, some are fellow distance learners, some are colleagues and some are friends. in each different type of interaction i (and they) have a different tone of voice (which is clearly discernable through a text based interaction) even to the extent that when i interact with the same people in different circumstances the tone of conversation is different. so colleagues in a purely social context, or tutorial group before and after the project deadline. ummmm another possible approach is to examine the differences between interactions with automated responses (or robots) and those with people - opening up a whole discussion on the liza type bots and turing devices. you mention the "game specific" voice. but following on from that is the discussion of when does it stop being a game and start being instructional? based on your first three voices, i would say that a game specific voice is more meandering in style, but a combination of the three. so that within an emotional voice that sets the scene there are a number of clues, taking the form of both instructional and direct voices to lead the players to the next level/step/problem/clue. hope this helps. happy sandcastle building jane From wp@esc-pau.fr Mon Sep 10 08:23:29 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 10 Sep 2001 08:23:30 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AF142889A for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 08:23:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mozart.esc-pau.fr (mozart.esc-pau.fr [193.55.219.1]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6E8D1A05C4 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 08:23:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from billp ([192.168.15.12]) by mozart.esc-pau.fr (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA11528 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:24:00 -0100 (' ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 From: "William Painter" To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] #1367:login_page Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:23:35 -0500 X-Mailer: Kanari Mailer 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Message-ID: 3b9d21470021bdb3@BILLP X-KDocID: 3b9d1f5d001a4207 X-KRootID: 3b9d1f5d001a4207 X-KLevel: 0 X-archive-position: 248 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: wp@esc-pau.fr Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore SSBhbSB0cnlpbmcgdG8gY3VzdG9taXplIHRoZSBsb2dpbiBwYWdlIGZvciB1c2VycyB3aXRoIGRp ZmZlcmVudCBzY3JlZW4gDQpyZXNvbHV0aW9ucyBhbmQgYnJvd3NlcnMuIEkga25vdyB0aGF0IHRo ZXJlIGlzIGEgY2xpZW50Y2hlY2sgb24gIzEzNjcgaW4gDQpqYXZhLCBJIGtub3cgdGhhdCB0aGVy ZSBhcmUgamF2YXNjcmlwdHMgdGhhdCBjaGVjayBmb3IgY2xpZW50IGluZm9ybWF0aW9uLiAgDQpN eSBxdWVzdGlvbiBpczogRG8gSSBuZWVkIHRvIGFkZCBhIHByb3BlcnR5IHRvICMxMzY3IHRoYXQg aXMgc2V0IGJ5IHRoZSANCmphdmFzY3JpcHQgKCMxMzY3LmJyb3dzZXI/KSBhbmQgdGhlbiBjcmVh dGUgYW4gaWYvdGhlbiBzdGF0ZW1lbnQgaW4gDQojMTM2Nzpsb2dpbl9wYWdlIHRoYXQgc2V0cyB0 aGUgcGFnZSBwYXJhbWV0ZXJzIGJhc2VkIG9uIHRoZSBwcm9wZXJ0eSAoaWYgDQp0aGlzLmJyb3dz ZXIgPSA9ICJuZXRzY2FwZSIgdGhlbiwgZWxzZSwgZW5kaWYpPyANCg0KTXkgcHJvYmxlbSBpcyB0 aGF0IHdoYXQgSSB3b3VsZCBsaWtlIHRvIGRvIHdpdGggdGhlIGxvZ2luIHBhZ2UgbG9va3MgZ3Jl YXQgDQppbiBJRSwgYnV0IGlzIGp1c3QgaG9ycmlkIGluIG5ldHNjYXBlIChnb3R0YSBsb3ZlIGhv dyBNUyBoYXMgbWFkZSBvdXIgbGl2ZXMgDQplYXNpZXIpIGFuZCBJIGFtIG5vdCB3aWxsaW5nIHRv IGRlY2xhcmUgbmV0c2NhcGUgZGVhZC4uLnlldC4NCg0KQWxzbywgYW55IHN1Z2dlc3Rpb25zIGZv ciBOZXRzY2FwZSA2LjEgdXNlcnM/ICBJIHNhdyBhIGRpYXRyaWJlIGEgYml0IGFnbyANCmFuZCB3 b25kZXIgaWYgdGhhdCB3YXMgcmVzb2x2ZWQuDQoNCg0KLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tDQpX aWxsaWFtIFBhaW50ZXIsIFBoLkQuDQpEaXJlY3RldXIgZGVzIFByb2dyYW1tZXMgZCfJZHVjYXRp b24g4CBEaXN0YW5jZSANCkdyb3VwZSBFY29sZSBTdXDpcmlldXJlIGRlIENvbW1lcmNlDQpQYXUs IEZSQU5DRQ0KKzMzIDU1OSA5MiA2NCA2NA0Kd3BAZXNjLXBhdS5mciA= From j.turner@qut.edu.au Mon Sep 10 08:24:22 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 10 Sep 2001 08:24:23 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B1A02889A for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 08:24:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tu01m1.qut.edu.au (mail.qut.edu.au [131.181.127.183]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CF481A05C5 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 08:24:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mail.qut.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-33 #46658) id <0GJG0DP017WI78@mail.qut.edu.au> for encore@utdallas.edu; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 23:24:18 +1000 (EST) Received: from pigeon.qut.edu.au (pigeon.qut.edu.au [131.181.127.98]) by mail.qut.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-33 #46658) with ESMTP id <0GJG0J1P67WIBP@mail.qut.edu.au> for encore@utdallas.edu; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 23:24:18 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (turnerj@localhost) by pigeon.qut.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03968 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 23:24:18 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 23:24:18 +1000 (EST) From: "truna aka j.turner" Subject: [encore] Re: ah yes, writing class the nite before .. In-reply-to: <3B9CB8FB.493A35AE@hhcl.com> To: encore@utdallas.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-archive-position: 249 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: j.turner@qut.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore hi jane (and others wh'er'up) brilliant - thanks missus, that's exactly the kind of blind space i knew i had - the problem with working with designers if that we oft DO forget the nature of the interaction within that which is built! On Mon, 10 Sep 2001, Jane Tandy wrote: > hi truna, i am up and working on the other side of the world :-) > > it sounds like an interesting tut, wish i was there (especially the sand > castle building) yeah ... and spring is just springing, jacarandas just - juuust - about to bloom ... how many can i tempt to join us at the beach i wonder - i seem to remember you promised us a visit? > > i think i would add something along the lines of the "conversant voice" > (?) it feels as if the three voices you've offered so far are very much > from the designers to the participants, whereas, for me, the beauty of > teh MOO environment is how much impact the participants have on the tone > of the session. e.g. i regularly interact with various different people > online, some are fellow distance learners, some are colleagues and some > are friends. in each different type of interaction i (and they) have a > different tone of voice (which is clearly discernable through a text > based interaction) even to the extent that when i interact with the > same people in different circumstances the tone of conversation is > different. so colleagues in a purely social context, or tutorial group > before and after the project deadline. > .... conversant voice added to tute activities - many thanks ... i now expect them to come back from thier jaunt comlete with gossip - WHICH is after all what a number of spaces are about ... > > another possible approach is to examine the differences between > interactions with automated responses (or robots) and those with people > - opening up a whole discussion on the liza type bots and turing > devices. > ---> they have been building bots (like crazy actually - hmmm) what about including bot options as a combination of instructional (control) and conversant voice???? > jane > cheers and glee, love truna ***************************************************** truna aka j.turner : Educational Technology Interface Lecturer in Technology, Literacy & Language QUT, Brisbane, Australia ***************************************************** internet 101 (IDMT): http://www.cdes.qut.edu.au/units/aan818/draft/ lost cities : http://education.qut.edu.au/turnerj/aab814/ the eMU papers: http://www.fed.qut.edu.au/tesol/cmc/emu/ jalapeno : jalapeno@qut.edu.au ) personal email : j.turner@qut.edu.au 8==%^^^^^^^^^^~/^^' business email : truna@truna.net " truna " ICQ : #12145525 From beuja@iinet.net.au Mon Sep 10 16:23:06 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 10 Sep 2001 16:23:08 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A173F288D2 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 16:23:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (symphony-06.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.38]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 999F51A0816 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 16:22:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 19636 invoked by uid 666); 10 Sep 2001 21:22:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.iinet.net.au) (203.59.217.74) by iinet.net.au with SMTP; 10 Sep 2001 21:22:46 -0000 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20010911043901.00a5a6f0@mail.iinet.net.au> X-Sender: beuja@mail.iinet.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 05:23:41 +0800 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: beuja@iinet.net.au Subject: [encore] Minor Alias Bug / Inconvenience In-Reply-To: 3b9d21470021bdb3@BILLP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-archive-position: 250 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: beuja@iinet.net.au Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi I am upgrading an old enCore MOO that has been inactive for a couple of years. Everything has gone well - from version 1.0 to 3.0.2 Then I logged into the Xpress interface as the Wizard #2 and clicked Options in the menu. To my surprise another player popped up #718. It turns out Player #718 had all the number aliases 0-9 including 2. (I was in the default home and #718 was in $limbo) This seems to only happen when in the vicinity of the number aliased object/player. I'm thinking of changing the menu hyperlink from: http://mymoo:7000/Xpress_Object_editor/view.html?2 to http://mymoo:7000/Xpress_Object_editor/view.html?%232 Where %232 is decoded as #2 It's just an inconvenience. Now I discover an object that is not a player can have #2 as an alias... (Should I outlaw # object aliases?) sigh beuja From j.turner@qut.edu.au Tue Sep 11 04:53:00 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 11 Sep 2001 04:53:02 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFCA8288A3 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 04:52:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tu01m1.qut.edu.au (mail.qut.edu.au [131.181.127.183]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95A5A1A08E4 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 04:52:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mail.qut.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-33 #46658) id <0GJH0GL01SS46W@mail.qut.edu.au> for encore@utdallas.edu; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 19:52:52 +1000 (EST) Received: from pigeon.qut.edu.au (pigeon.qut.edu.au [131.181.127.98]) by mail.qut.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-33 #46658) with ESMTP id <0GJH0BNHNSS4GC@mail.qut.edu.au> for encore@utdallas.edu; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 19:52:52 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (turnerj@localhost) by pigeon.qut.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25363 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 19:52:52 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 19:52:51 +1000 (EST) From: "truna aka j.turner" Subject: [encore] fertile objects In-reply-to: <3b9d21470021bdb3@BILLP> To: encore@utdallas.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-archive-position: 251 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: j.turner@qut.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore greetings again ... in class now actually .. once more i needs must beg for suggestions. one of the class has created an object with new verbs attached and subsequently made it fertile .... however, when he creates a child of that object, even tho' it contains all the verbs as the parent, it ... well, it just doesn't do anything ... he has used @chmod to make the object fertile, does anyone know of any tricks or pitfalls he might have missed ??? much love truna ps - the voice activity is going on as i type ... pretty interesting ... i have them doing the lab we occupy in the various voices as an exercise ... odd stuff coming thru' ... ***************************************************** truna aka j.turner : Educational Technology Interface Lecturer in Technology, Literacy & Language QUT, Brisbane, Australia ***************************************************** internet 101 (IDMT): http://www.cdes.qut.edu.au/units/aan818/draft/ lost cities : http://education.qut.edu.au/turnerj/aab814/ the eMU papers: http://www.fed.qut.edu.au/tesol/cmc/emu/ jalapeno : jalapeno@qut.edu.au ) personal email : j.turner@qut.edu.au 8==%^^^^^^^^^^~/^^' business email : truna@truna.net " truna " ICQ : #12145525 From jhaefner@iwu.edu Wed Sep 12 08:31:33 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 12 Sep 2001 08:31:37 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8488728922 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 08:31:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sun.iwu.edu (sun.iwu.edu [198.178.132.10]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A4A11A091D for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 08:31:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from jhaefner.sun.iwu.edu (unknown [10.148.11.91]) by sun.iwu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 609952C7E for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 08:18:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20010912082026.00aa3370@sun.iwu.edu> X-Sender: jhaefner@sun.iwu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 08:30:05 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Joel Haefner Subject: [encore] installation crash Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-archive-position: 252 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jhaefner@iwu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore I've just installed, for the first time, the latest version of enCore. The LambdaMOO DB is working fine. And I can access the enCore login screen fine. However, everything stalls after that. The MOOtcan applet won't load. And curiously, none of the images for the buttons will load either. Right-clicking on the images reveals that those images can't be found by the browser, but they are definitely there. This sounded like a simple permissions problem, or misplaced directories, or case-sensitivies in the file names. I've triple-checked these things, and all is correct. Java and JS are enabled in my browser. The domain name and the base URL are set correctly in the configure program, too. (Well, they had to be, or they wouldn't point to the login screen.) I even opened up bottom.html and changed the applet parameters to my host domain name, although that shouldn't be necessary because the default is the machine on which the applet is housed. I should add that of course the LambdaMOO core and the encore programs are all on the same machine. The encore directory is in the /web directory (it's a Sparc5 machine running Apache), and permissions are OK there. The LambdaMOO stuff is in a /moo directory. But I think all of that is correct. Help! Any ideas? I can turn off enCore and use the text MOO, but well that kind of sucks. Thanks... Joel Haefner, Writing Coordinator and Lecturer in Computer Science Illinois Wesleyan University P.O. Box 2900, Bloomington, IL 61702-2900 309/556-3756 jhaefner@iwu.edu www.iwu.edu/~jhaefner "Common sense is not so common." --Voltaire From rselfe@mtu.edu Thu Sep 13 15:10:39 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:10:40 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B5302889F for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:10:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailoff.mtu.edu (mailoff.mtu.edu [141.219.70.111]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72C501A0B10 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:10:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.mtu.edu (campus4.mtu.edu [141.219.70.7]) by mailoff.mtu.edu (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f8DKAWi01762 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 16:10:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ginger.hu.mtu.edu (ginger.hu.mtu.edu [141.219.148.40]) by mail.mtu.edu (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f8DKAQh26983 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 16:10:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [141.219.148.69] (beserker.hu.mtu.edu [141.219.148.69]) by ginger.hu.mtu.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/mturelay-2.0b) with ESMTP id QAA28046 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 16:10:25 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rselfe@mail.hu.mtu.edu Message-Id: Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 16:10:10 -0400 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Dickie Selfe Subject: [encore] recreating our library Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-archive-position: 253 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: rselfe@mtu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore I know this list is primarily used for technical support, but we are starting on a teacher/student resource center with sets of "handouts" (online) or documentation, and we don't want to reinvent the wheel. If any of you have current versions of documentation for the latest versions of an Encore MOO, I'd appreciate you reading this a letting us know what you think. Part of our MOO team here at MTU (Christine Grohowski, Allen Tipper, and myselfe) met yesterday in our lab and tried to imagine the kinds of online documents we could use with new teachers when we run NorthWoodsMOO workshops (we are currently supported by a technology grant through Delta Schoolcraft Intermediate School District (K-12). We are imagining documents with screen shots and step-by-steps that teachers and new students can understand and use during and after the workshops. We'll be taking our lead from the MOOniversity book of course. Allen made the excellent suggestion that we try to break it up into *topics* instead of some system of 'Beginner 1 MOO session,' 'Beginner 2 MOO session,' 'Advanced . . .. He also indicated that once we get them written, he would make an online (teacher/student-based) help system. The current help system seems to be most useful to experienced builder/programmer/wizards and is difficult for new users and learners to navigate and understand. What do y'all think? We came up with 7 topic areas and lots of little documents. What did we miss? How can we rearrange these to make them more accessible to teachers & students? Where should we go to find material that already covers these areas? What is MOO? - We have one general handout for this but may need others. - Maybe one for K12 technology coordinators? Defining Persona - character descriptions and options - Character icons - gender - passwords - levels: players, builders, programmers, wizards Defining Spaces - building spaces (rooms) - generic rooms and what they contain - linking between rooms - breakout spaces (rooms) - external links - images and backgrounds - color - security Navigating - following links - @who - @go - @join Making Objects (yes, we know everything is an object in a MOO, but for teachers . . .) - recorders - notes - web projectors - slide projectors - bots Communicating - say, normal, emote - other social verbs - page - knock - signs - cows Teachering - netiquette - use of projectors - sharing materials thru the @url command (html & pdf) - use of breakout rooms - use of recorders - Virtual Assignment Server Environment (VASE) - use of web/slide projectors - getting accounts (efficiently) - invitations and practice sessions - types of generic rooms and what they are pedagogically suited for - security in your rooms/spaces (locking, booting, silencing) * the "Wand" (in development) that gives room/space owners the ability to boot someone out of the MOO altogether -- Dickie Selfe (OO) Director of CCCCCCC LLLL iiii Center for Computer-Assisted Language Instruction CCCCCCCCC LLLL iiii +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ CCCC ccccc LLLL iiii 138 Walker Arts and Humanities Center CCCC cc LLLL iiii Michigan Technological University CCCC ccccc LLLL iiii Houghton, MI 49931 906-487-3225 CCCCCCCCC LLLLLLLLL CCCCCCC LLLLLLLLL "It's hard work to be a good geek!" -- Noel Maddy . From jeffwhite@uaa.alaska.edu Thu Sep 13 18:35:52 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 13 Sep 2001 18:35:53 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AF902889F for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 18:35:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sentinel.uaa.alaska.edu (webmail.uaa.alaska.edu [137.229.100.128]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90A0E1A043C for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 18:35:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from jeffwhite ([137.229.108.75]) by sentinel.uaa.alaska.edu (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GJMK6C00.R21 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:35:00 -0800 From: "Jeff White" To: Subject: [encore] Re: new room names in the room database Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:42:43 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20010912082026.00aa3370@sun.iwu.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-archive-position: 254 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: afjcw@uaa.alaska.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore is there a quick way to "refresh" the room database so that when someone creates a new room, others can immediately type the @go room name and head there? I keep getting _room name_ is not in the room database. thanks jeff white From llk@mail.utexas.edu Thu Sep 13 18:43:10 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 13 Sep 2001 18:43:12 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22D132889F for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 18:43:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.utexas.edu (wb2-a.mail.utexas.edu [128.83.126.136]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 4C9121A0A10 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 18:43:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 12846 invoked by uid 0); 13 Sep 2001 23:42:58 -0000 Received: from cs666896-205.austin.rr.com (HELO ?10.0.1.40?) (66.68.96.205) by umbs-smtp-2 with SMTP; 13 Sep 2001 23:42:58 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 18:42:56 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Laura Kramarsky Subject: [encore] Re: new room names in the room database Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-archive-position: 255 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: llk@mail.utexas.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Jeff - Try using this command when you get that error: ;$room_db:update() It worked for us! (beware...with a big db, this can take a while) -Laura >is there a quick way to "refresh" the room database so that when someone >creates a new room, others can immediately type the @go room name and head >there? I keep getting _room name_ is not in the room database. > >thanks > >jeff white -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Laura Kramarsky The University of Texas at Austin http://www.cwrl.utexas.edu/~kramarsky "Don't blame me...I voted with the majority." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From dilger@nwe.ufl.edu Thu Sep 13 19:24:17 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 13 Sep 2001 19:24:19 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3897328772 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 19:24:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from clas.ufl.edu (fury.clas.ufl.edu [128.227.148.247]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E56B31A0BDC for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 19:24:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from poe.clas.ufl.edu (poe.clas.ufl.edu [128.227.148.222]) by clas.ufl.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1/dna) with SMTP id UAA13067 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 20:24:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 20:24:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Bradley Dilger X-Sender: dilger@poe.clas.ufl.edu To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Re: recreating our library In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 256 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: dilger@nwe.ufl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore > I know this list is primarily used for technical support, but we are > starting on a teacher/student resource center with sets of "handouts" > (online) or documentation, and we don't want to reinvent the wheel. I approve. The need for creating MOO dox is huge, and there is no sense in wasting effort. A large documentation effort was recently started by Lennie Irvin and some other folks. I can't put my hands on the copies of that material which I downloaded, but it seems the second place to start after MOOniversity (which you already mentioned). > Allen made the excellent suggestion that we try to break it up into > *topics* instead of some system of 'Beginner 1 MOO session,' > 'Beginner 2 MOO session,' 'Advanced . . .. The NWE documentation (moo and otherwise) uses a mix of both these approaches, though the emphasis is topic-based. It's not hard to do that using cross referencing -- one can incorporate the same written material in both styles of documents, just organized differently. Take a look if you like -- http://web.nwe.ufl.edu/writing/ . We wrote and/or customized scripts to manage the hierarchical menu system, provide a recursive index, and make the database searchable. If you want it, we'll hand it over. :) best, cbd. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Bradley Dilger http://web.nwe.ufl.edu/~dilger/ From karper@expert.cc.purdue.edu Thu Sep 13 19:41:58 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 13 Sep 2001 19:42:00 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B2DB2888A for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 19:41:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from expert.cc.purdue.edu (expert.cc.purdue.edu [128.210.10.11]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25B481A0C47 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 19:41:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (karper@localhost) by expert.cc.purdue.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA24212 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 19:41:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 19:41:32 -0500 (EST) From: Erin Karper To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Re: recreating our library In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 257 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: karper@expert.cc.purdue.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore I don't know where Lennie's guide based on mine is, but you can view a 2.x-current guide that I put together at http://flansburgh.english.purdue.edu/pw/doc/MOO/guide/ It'll get updated eventually... Erin From janet@hhcl.com Fri Sep 14 05:21:27 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 14 Sep 2001 05:21:28 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C86D9288A6 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 05:21:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from zygote.hhcl.com (unknown [212.36.149.2]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28F5F1A047C for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 05:21:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hhcl.com (private.hhcl.com [212.36.149.213]) by zygote.hhcl.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f8EAFt631894; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 11:15:55 +0100 Message-ID: <3BA1D963.ABEBA2EE@hhcl.com> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 11:18:11 +0100 From: Jane Tandy Organization: HHCL and Partners X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-CCK-MCD (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Re: recreating our library References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 258 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: janet@hhcl.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore hi there this is what we use on hhland. it's geared to a slightly different target audience, but it may give you some ideas. jane p.s. 'scuse the bizarre link, built on the fly by a 3 a.m. hack that never got tidied up :-) From Lirvin@ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU Fri Sep 14 05:30:12 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 14 Sep 2001 05:30:13 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6080288A6 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 05:30:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 8D03B1A0D4A for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 05:30:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Ir191470 [10.1.11.56] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 05:29:59 CDT From: "Lennie Irvin" To: Subject: [encore] Re: recreating our library Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 06:36:52 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: X-archive-position: 259 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Lirvin@accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Dickie-- I created what you might call a second generation guide based upon Erin's that you can view at http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/AlaMOOGuide/intro.htm . It is based upon Erin's guide but expands it in many ways. One area of expansion is a new section with help text for using objects (http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/AlaMOO/AlaMOOGuide/HelpObjectindex.h tm). I have yet to place the files for ready download, but I will do so next week. I really like your organizational structure. Lennie Irvin -----Original Message----- From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu]On Behalf Of Erin Karper Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 5:42 PM To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Re: recreating our library I don't know where Lennie's guide based on mine is, but you can view a 2.x-current guide that I put together at http://flansburgh.english.purdue.edu/pw/doc/MOO/guide/ It'll get updated eventually... Erin From Lirvin@ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU Fri Sep 14 05:40:23 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 14 Sep 2001 05:40:24 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1CD8288A6 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 05:40:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 3AD9E1A0D4B for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 05:40:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Ir191470 [10.1.11.56] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 05:40:15 CDT From: "Lennie Irvin" To: Subject: [encore] dream object Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 06:47:08 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-archive-position: 260 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Lirvin@accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore I have many MOO objects I "dream" about creating, but one really stands out to me, and I wonder if any of you know if this kind of object is possible (and if anyone is inspired to program it). This object is a combination between the slide projector and the web projector. I'd like, with a single object, to control the text displayed and the web page displayed. Even more radical, I'd love it if this object could act at times like a recitable note in that you can start it "playing" and set its projection speed. Am I just dreamin'? Lennie Irvin San Antonio College From actipper@mtu.edu Fri Sep 14 09:09:48 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 14 Sep 2001 09:09:49 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41082288A6 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 09:09:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailoff.mtu.edu (mailoff.mtu.edu [141.219.70.111]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEF4F1A0D89 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 09:09:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.mtu.edu (campus4.mtu.edu [141.219.70.7]) by mailoff.mtu.edu (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f8EE9di09962 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:09:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ginger.hu.mtu.edu (ginger.hu.mtu.edu [141.219.148.40]) by mail.mtu.edu (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f8EE9Xh20571 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:09:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (actipper@localhost) by ginger.hu.mtu.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/mturelay-2.0b) with ESMTP id KAA11036 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:09:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Allen Tipper To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Re: dream object In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 261 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: actipper@mtu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore I might be able to program this, given time, and it sounds like a worthwhile project. If I ever get it working, I'll let you know. -Accuracy On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, Lennie Irvin wrote: > I have many MOO objects I "dream" about creating, but one really stands out > to me, and I wonder if any of you know if this kind of object is possible > (and if anyone is inspired to program it). > > This object is a combination between the slide projector and the web > projector. I'd like, with a single object, to control the text displayed > and the web page displayed. Even more radical, I'd love it if this object > could act at times like a recitable note in that you can start it "playing" > and set its projection speed. > > Am I just dreamin'? > > Lennie Irvin > San Antonio College > > From lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Fri Sep 14 10:19:59 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:20:02 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E06F8288EE for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:19:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 145D01A0D9E for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:19:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from gh208-lirvin [10.11.14.170] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:19:50 CDT Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010914101642.009b48e0@accdvm.accd.edu> X-Sender: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:16:42 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Subject: [encore] Re: dream object In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-archive-position: 262 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Great Allen! I see all kinds of applications for this --presentors guiding a group through a topic or workshop slide by slide --it offers new possibilities for the MOO-writing and MOO-reading --it offers new kinds of dynamic possibilities for MOO performance Let us all know what you come up with. Lennie At 10:09 AM 9/14/01 -0400, you wrote: >I might be able to program this, given time, and it sounds like a >worthwhile project. If I ever get it working, I'll let you know. > -Accuracy > >On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, Lennie Irvin wrote: > >> I have many MOO objects I "dream" about creating, but one really stands out >> to me, and I wonder if any of you know if this kind of object is possible >> (and if anyone is inspired to program it). >> >> This object is a combination between the slide projector and the web >> projector. I'd like, with a single object, to control the text displayed >> and the web page displayed. Even more radical, I'd love it if this object >> could act at times like a recitable note in that you can start it "playing" >> and set its projection speed. >> >> Am I just dreamin'? >> >> Lennie Irvin >> San Antonio College >> >> > > > ____________________________________________ L.Lennie Irvin San Antonio College Department of English Office-phone: GH 208, (210)733-2522 Email: Lirvin@accd.edu Webpage: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/lirvin.htm AlaMOO: http://ranger.accd.edu:7000 From wp@esc-pau.fr Fri Sep 14 10:38:57 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:38:59 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94B99288EE for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:38:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.laposte.net (nposte09.axime.com [160.92.113.114]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E9941A0DAA for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:38:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from billp (193.55.219.4) by mail.laposte.net (5.5.021) id 3B9DB59700024A9A for encore@utdallas.edu; 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list encore); Mon, 17 Sep 2001 13:03:14 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F815288D8 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 13:03:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from alf.uib.no (alf.uib.no [129.177.30.3]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31AF71A001C for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 13:03:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cm31383-b.ftwrth1.tx.home.com [24.4.16.114] by alf.uib.no for encore@utdallas.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.16) id 15j2jO-00014d-00; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 20:02:55 +0200 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 13:04:04 -0500 Subject: [encore] enCore version 3.1 Released From: Jan Rune Holmevik To: enCore list Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-archive-position: 264 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jan.holmevik@uib.no Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore enCore version 3.1 is a combined update and bug fix release. A number of bugs reported on the enCore administrator email list have been addressed, and a few new features have been introduced. The most significant new features include an option to allow auto creation of accounts and a new way to connect audio content to objects. See change log below for details. You can download the 3.1 update from the enCore web site at http://lingua.utdallas.edu/encore/ We want to thank Claudijo Borovic, Dene Grigar, beuja@iinet.net.au, Emily Marcus, Lennie Irvin and Herv=E9 Collin for suggestions, feedback and contributions to this version of enCore. We dedicate this release to the memory of the thousands of innocent people who lost their lives in the unspeakable terrorist attacks on New York and Washington on September 11th. Cynthia and Jan __Jan Rune Holmevik, Cand Philol_________________________________________ University of Bergen jan@mac.com Department of Humanistic Informatics jan.holmevik@uib.no Sydnesplass 7, HF-bygget janruneh@utdallas.edu N-5007 Bergen, NORWAY http://lingua.utdallas.edu/jan From jan.holmevik@uib.no Mon Sep 17 13:07:17 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 17 Sep 2001 13:07:18 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0792288D8 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 13:07:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from alf.uib.no (alf.uib.no [129.177.30.3]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5DE31A0783 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 13:04:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cm31383-b.ftwrth1.tx.home.com [24.4.16.114] by alf.uib.no for encore@utdallas.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.16) id 15j2kN-00016l-00; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 20:03:55 +0200 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 13:05:05 -0500 Subject: [encore] enCore 3.1 Change Log From: Jan Rune Holmevik To: enCore list Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 265 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jan.holmevik@uib.no Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore September 17, 2001. enCore version 3.1 - Wrote new system to allow automatic character creation in Xpress. This is off by default, but administrators can turn it on in the Wizard Module's enCore settings. When on, a button named 'Create Account' will appear on the login screen allowing users to create accounts automatically without having to go through the current screening process. Modifications include changes to $administration_module:core_settings, $administration_module:edit_naming, $Xpress_login:login, $guest:_web_menu, plus new verbs $administration_module:edit_login, and $xpress_login:character_application_html. Thanks to Claudijo Borovic for suggestions and contribution of code. - Implemented support for embedded audio content. Users can now connect both audio and visual multi-media content to MOO objects. An option to specify audio content has been added to the Xpress object editor. Audio content is invisible and will play automatically when users look at an object with such associated content. Changed the default sound setting to on, volume low for all players. Players who do not wish to hear audio content may turn sound off using the sound preferences under the Options toolbar button. Modifications affect the following verbs: $xpress_object_editor:edit_url, $encore_web_object:_html, and $encore_web_utils:make_sound. A new property $encore_web_class.audio_url has been added. Updated help text for $encore_help.quick_editing. Thanks to Dene Grigar for suggesting this feature. - Added MP3 to list of recognized extentions in $httpd.embed_file_suffixes. - Added HTML comments to the following _html verbs: $encore_web_class:_html and $room:_html. - Added the ability to run slide shows on $webprojector. New commands added include $webprojector:"start stop reset" and $webprojector:@setdelay. Thanks to Lennie Irvin for suggesting this new feature. - Fixed a bug in $encore_web_utils:get_icon that broke the system when users asked for objects with no icon property. This fix was previously released unofficially as enCore 3.0.3b1. Thanks to Claudijo Borovic for reporting this bug. - Removed redundant code from $xpress_login:login. Thanks to beuja@iinet.net.au - Modified $slide_projector:show to remove redundant empty lines. Thanks to Lennie Irvin for suggestion and Rv for code. - Modified $note_board:remove to allow the note board's owner to remove posted notes. Thanks to Emily Marcus for suggesting this change. - Fixed a permissions bug in $note_board:configure. - Modified Message of the Day alert to not show popup alerts to guests. In MOOs where guest self naming is enabled there has been reports of problems where the MOTD alert would interfere with guests' ability to name themselves. Guests now see the MOTD message in the java applet instead. __Jan Rune Holmevik, Cand Philol_________________________________________ University of Bergen jan@mac.com Department of Humanistic Informatics jan.holmevik@uib.no Sydnesplass 7, HF-bygget janruneh@utdallas.edu N-5007 Bergen, NORWAY http://lingua.utdallas.edu/jan From jan.holmevik@uib.no Tue Sep 18 18:43:44 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 18 Sep 2001 18:43:46 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7189E288F4 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 18:43:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tangled.utdallas.edu (tangled.utdallas.edu [129.110.10.20]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E9661A0A06 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 18:43:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from alf.uib.no (alf.uib.no [129.177.30.3]) by tangled.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E57212400 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 18:09:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cm31383-b.ftwrth1.tx.home.com [24.4.16.114] by alf.uib.no for encore@utdallas.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.16) id 15jTzS-0005zc-00; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 01:09:18 +0200 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 18:10:28 -0500 Subject: [encore] Minor enCore 3.1 update From: Jan Rune Holmevik To: enCore list Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 266 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jan.holmevik@uib.no Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Dene Grigar wrote to report a web display issue that was inadvertently introduced with enCore 3.1 for users of MSIE 4.5 on the Mac and possibly other browsers. We are therefore re-issuing the 3.1 release today with the fix included. The 3.1 update patch has also been fixed without change of version number. If you have already applied the 3.1 patch file, paste in the code below to fix the display problem. If not, no action is needed at this time. Cheers, Cynthia and Jan ----- @program $encore_web_object:_html "==========================================================="; "Copyright (C) 1999-2001, Jan Rune Holmevik"; "Verb that generates HTML source code on-the-fly for a MOO object that is sub class of $enCore_web_object."; "==========================================================="; user = args[1]; if ($encore_web_utils:is_locked(user, this) && user.location != this) "Locked, direct user to $player_start if anonymous"; html = this:build(user, (loc = user == $no_one ? $player_start | user.location):_html(user), loc.name, $encore_web_utils:tell_locked(this)); else this:update_hits(); audio = visual = drawing = title = {}; base_url = tostr("http://", $network.site, ":", $network.webport, "/"); title = $encore_web_utils:get_title(user, this); title = {@title, "

"}; "---------------------------------------------------------"; "Add audio content"; "---------------------------------------------------------"; if (this.audio_url) audio = $encore_web_utils:make_sound(user, this.audio_url); audio = $list_utils:append({"