From llk@mail.utexas.edu Mon Jul 2 11:42:51 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 02 Jul 2001 11:42:52 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79B0228772 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 11:42:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.utexas.edu (wb2-a.mail.utexas.edu [128.83.126.136]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id E2F231A05DA for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 11:42:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 25245 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2001 16:42:48 -0000 Received: from barthelme.cwrl.utexas.edu (HELO ?128.83.125.100?) (128.83.125.100) by umbs-smtp-2 with SMTP; 2 Jul 2001 16:42:48 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 11:42:51 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Laura Kramarsky Subject: [encore] changing user passwords in 3.0? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-archive-position: 102 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: llk@mail.utexas.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi all, If a student forgets his/her password, how do I change it in 3.0? It seems to me I could do it in 2.1.1, but I cannot figure out how to assign the new password now without knowing the old one. Thanks for any help! -Laura -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Laura Kramarsky The University of Texas at Austin http://www.cwrl.utexas.edu/~kramarsky ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From claudijo@piiip.net Mon Jul 2 11:46:38 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 02 Jul 2001 11:46:39 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7876128772 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 11:46:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from eden.grace.se (unknown [193.10.139.9]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E0B71A065A; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 11:46:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 18:44:51 +0200 Subject: [encore] Re: changing user passwords in 3.0? To: encore@utdallas.edu Cc: encore@utdallas.edu From: "Claudijo Borovic" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-archive-position: 103 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: claudijo@piiip.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore encore@utdallas.edu writes: >Hi all, > >If a student forgets his/her password, how do I change it in 3.0? It >seems to me I could do it in 2.1.1, but I cannot figure out how to >assign the new password now without knowing the old one. Isn't it @newpassword player-name is new-password ? (You will have to be an administrator as well.) Regards /Claudijo From llk@mail.utexas.edu Mon Jul 2 11:51:59 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 02 Jul 2001 11:52:00 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3050C28772 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 11:51:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.utexas.edu (wb2-a.mail.utexas.edu [128.83.126.136]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 7B4BB1A0666 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 11:51:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 2534 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2001 16:51:56 -0000 Received: from barthelme.cwrl.utexas.edu (HELO ?128.83.125.100?) (128.83.125.100) by umbs-smtp-2 with SMTP; 2 Jul 2001 16:51:56 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 11:51:58 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Laura Kramarsky Subject: [encore] Re: changing user passwords in 3.0? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-archive-position: 104 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: llk@mail.utexas.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Yes! That did it, thanks! -Laura > > >Hi all, >> >>If a student forgets his/her password, how do I change it in 3.0? It >>seems to me I could do it in 2.1.1, but I cannot figure out how to >>assign the new password now without knowing the old one. > >Isn't it @newpassword player-name is new-password ? (You will have to be >an administrator as well.) > >Regards >/Claudijo -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Laura Kramarsky The University of Texas at Austin http://www.cwrl.utexas.edu/~kramarsky "Don't blame me...I voted with the majority." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From herve@hawaii.edu Mon Jul 2 14:47:54 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 02 Jul 2001 14:47:54 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB345288AD for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 14:47:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from m1.hawaii.edu (m1.hawaii.edu [128.171.94.13]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CBD41A046D for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 14:47:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.m1.hawaii.edu by m1.hawaii.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #38433) id <0GFV00D012ZL68@m1.hawaii.edu>; Mon, 02 Jul 2001 09:47:45 -1000 (HST) Received: from herve.phys.hawaii.edu (herve.phys.hawaii.edu [128.171.11.114]) by m1.hawaii.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #38433) with ESMTP id <0GFV00AIO2ZLRE@m1.hawaii.edu>; Mon, 02 Jul 2001 09:47:45 -1000 (HST) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 1995 16:17:20 -1000 (HST) From: rv Subject: [encore] Re: changing user passwords in 3.0? In-reply-to: X-Sender: herve@herve.phys.hawaii.edu To: encore@utdallas.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 105 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: herve@hawaii.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore > If a student forgets his/her password, how do I change it in 3.0? It > seems to me I could do it in 2.1.1, but I cannot figure out how to > assign the new password now without knowing the old one. Laura, try ;#3333.password=crypt("newpassword") (#3333 being the object number of the student) Aloha, -rv, ----------- "God is dead!" "There is no devil and no hell. Your soul will be dead even before your body: fear nothing further". Thus Spoke Zarathustra (Nietzsche). http://www2.hawaii.edu/~herve/ ------------------------------ From llk@mail.utexas.edu Tue Jul 3 14:21:36 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 03 Jul 2001 14:21:37 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E2D62889A for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 14:21:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.utexas.edu (wb3-a.mail.utexas.edu [128.83.126.138]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id A61241A0037 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 10:23:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 5285 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2001 15:23:48 -0000 Received: from barthelme.cwrl.utexas.edu (HELO ?10.0.1.18?) (128.83.125.100) by umbs-smtp-3 with SMTP; 3 Jul 2001 15:23:48 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 10:23:54 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Laura Kramarsky Subject: [encore] xpress mailer in 3.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-archive-position: 106 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: llk@mail.utexas.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi everyone - We are getting some oddness from the Xpress MOO Mailer that I am hoping someone can help with. 1) the mailbox icons don't show whether or not there's mail in the box (I could be wrong, but I could have sworn they did before) 2) A couple of the logs, particularly the password change log, cannot be read from the Mailer because the HTML side of the screen says "Verb did not return a flat list of strings." They can be read using the @nn command, so it's not an emergency or anything, but it's odd. The HTML has a whole bunch of quotation marks everywhere on the page. I have a screen shot if anyone wants to take a look at it. As usual, thanks for any and all help. -Laura -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Laura Kramarsky The University of Texas at Austin http://www.cwrl.utexas.edu/~kramarsky ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From claudijo@piiip.net Tue Jul 3 19:07:44 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 03 Jul 2001 19:07:44 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DE1128773 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 19:07:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from eden.grace.se (unknown [193.10.139.9]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0216D1A05A5; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 19:07:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 02:06:02 +0200 Subject: [encore] Re: xpress mailer in 3.0 To: encore@utdallas.edu Cc: encore@utdallas.edu From: "Claudijo Borovic" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-archive-position: 107 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: claudijo@piiip.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore encore@utdallas.edu writes: >1) the mailbox icons don't show whether or not there's mail in the >box (I could be wrong, but I could have sworn they did before) I think I had the same problem... Try to send one more mail to that mailbox, a "next xx messages" will probably show up together with your mails. Regards /Claudijo From eugenia@pluto.linux.it Wed Jul 4 06:56:10 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 04 Jul 2001 06:56:10 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07A4B286F1 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 06:56:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pluto.linux.it (unknown [212.210.106.190]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D51B1A03E6 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 06:56:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from buzz.casa.eug (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pluto.linux.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id D15082B448 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 13:59:15 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 13:32:17 +0200 From: Eugenia Franzoni To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] problem with xpress on linux clients Message-ID: <20010704133217.A25758@tiscalinet.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-archive-position: 108 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: eugenia@pluto.linux.it Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore hi, it seems I'm having some problems in connecting to linguamoo with a Linux client. I'm using netscape 4.75 (which is listed in the compatibility page), but the same applies for 4.7 and 4.77. When I connect as guest, the top frame has the buttons, but the right one remains on "starting enCore Xpress from server" and the left one remains grey. If I reload the left frame, everything goes ok and also the right one appears. I don't automatically get the guest options interface as I do in Windows, though. Am I missing something? :-) (then I have some problems with the server I'm experimenting with on my Linux box, but that on another mail ;) E. -- Eugenia Franzoni Pluto Linux User Group http://www.pluto.linux.it From eugenia@pluto.linux.it Wed Jul 4 07:02:06 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 04 Jul 2001 07:02:07 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1024286F1 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 07:02:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pluto.linux.it (unknown [212.210.106.190]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E3791A051C for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 07:02:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from buzz.casa.eug (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pluto.linux.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id D52D62B448 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 14:05:11 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 13:59:44 +0200 From: Eugenia Franzoni To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] problems with encore installation Message-ID: <20010704135944.B25758@tiscalinet.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-archive-position: 109 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: eugenia@pluto.linux.it Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore hi, I'm testing an encore installation on my Linux box. I'm using lambdamoo 1.8.1 and encore 3.0 on a Debian GNU/Linux system. Here's a list of problems I'm having: * 1st and most important: whenever I restart the lambdamoo server, all the configurations are lost! Do I have to save them in some way? * How do I set the permissions on the enCore.db file? I am now using 666 on it, but it's not good :-) I know they are newbie questions, but I didn't find any answer in the documentation. Thanks! (_Lots_ of thanks if you put me in the right direction and point me to the right documentation to read ;-) Eugenia -- Eugenia Franzoni Pluto Linux User Group http://www.pluto.linux.it From support@hyper.it Wed Jul 4 07:47:38 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 04 Jul 2001 07:47:39 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A415286F1 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 07:47:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ermano.hyper.it (62-122-75-61.flat.galactica.it [62.122.75.61]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 778241A02B9 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 07:47:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from neo.hyper.it (neo.hyper.it [192.168.1.9]) by ermano.hyper.it (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f64CiFq02257 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 14:44:15 +0200 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20010704144419.00a6c070@192.168.1.10> X-Sender: technoid@192.168.1.10 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 14:46:26 +0200 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Andrey Buikis Subject: [encore] Re: problems with encore installation In-Reply-To: <20010704135944.B25758@tiscalinet.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-archive-position: 110 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: support@hyper.it Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore At 13.59 04/07/01 +0200, you wrote: >hi, > >I'm testing an encore installation on my Linux box. I'm using lambdamoo 1.8.1 >and encore 3.0 on a Debian GNU/Linux system. > >Here's a list of problems I'm having: > >* 1st and most important: whenever I restart the lambdamoo server, all the >configurations are lost! Do I have to save them in some way? use restart script available with labmda moo installation (in case you dont have it here is the strip: #!/bin/csh -f # Copyright (c) 1992, 1995, 1996 Xerox Corporation. All rights reserved. # Portions of this code were written by Stephen White, aka ghond. # Use and copying of this software and preparation of derivative works based # upon this software are permitted. Any distribution of this software or # derivative works must comply with all applicable United States export # control laws. This software is made available AS IS, and Xerox Corporation # makes no warranty about the software, its performance or its conformity to # any specification. Any person obtaining a copy of this software is requested # to send their name and post office or electronic mail address to: # Pavel Curtis # Xerox PARC # 3333 Coyote Hill Rd. # Palo Alto, CA 94304 # Pavel@Xerox.Com if ($#argv < 1 || $#argv > 2) then echo 'Usage: restart dbase-prefix [port]' exit 1 endif if (! -r $1.db) then echo "Unknown database: $1.db" exit 1 endif if (-r $1.db.new) then mv $1.db $1.db.old mv $1.db.new $1.db rm -f $1.db.old.Z compress $1.db.old & endif if (-f $1.log) then cat $1.log >> $1.log.old rm $1.log endif echo `date`: RESTARTED >> $1.log #unlimit descriptors nohup ./moo $1.db $1.db.new $2 >>& $1.log & >* How do I set the permissions on the enCore.db file? I am now using 666 on >it, but it's not good :-) -rw-rw-r-- works fine for me... (check out how you launch moo and your owner/group settings) >I know they are newbie questions, but I didn't find any answer in the >documentation. Thanks! (_Lots_ of thanks if you put me in the right direction >and point me to the right documentation to read ;-) > >Eugenia >-- >Eugenia Franzoni >Pluto Linux User Group >http://www.pluto.linux.it Regards, Andrey ----------------------------------------------- Hyper, Via Pisacane 23 PF+39.0578.20939 Chiusi 53043, Siena, IT M +39.03XX.XXXXXXX ICANN @ Large Member PGP A224 A3F3 B663 9246 7731 7155 331A C8F2 From eugenia@pluto.linux.it Wed Jul 4 07:58:44 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 04 Jul 2001 07:58:45 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 762E7286F1 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 07:58:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pluto.linux.it (unknown [212.210.106.190]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB53F1A090E for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 07:58:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from buzz.casa.eug (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pluto.linux.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7205E2B452 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 15:01:42 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 14:51:45 +0200 From: Eugenia Franzoni To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Re: problems with encore installation Message-ID: <20010704145145.A26026@tiscalinet.it> References: <20010704135944.B25758@tiscalinet.it> <5.0.0.25.2.20010704144419.00a6c070@192.168.1.10> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20010704144419.00a6c070@192.168.1.10>; from support@hyper.it on Wed, Jul 04, 2001 at 02:46:26PM +0200 X-archive-position: 111 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: eugenia@pluto.linux.it Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore On Wed, Jul 04, 2001 at 02:46:26PM +0200, Andrey Buikis wrote: > use restart script available with labmda moo installation (in case you dont > have it here is the strip: Mmmm... I was using the debian one, but it seems they differ. Let me try it :-) thanks E. -- Eugenia Franzoni Pluto Linux User Group http://www.pluto.linux.it From lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Tue Jul 10 12:58:42 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 10 Jul 2001 12:58:43 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 769712888A for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 12:58:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id BBB031A01FD for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 12:58:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from gh208-lirvin [10.11.14.170] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 12:58:29 CST Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010710125709.0095abd0@accdvm.accd.edu> X-Sender: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 12:57:09 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Subject: [encore] Some questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-archive-position: 112 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi Everyone, I am still picking away at developing my MOO and had a couple of different questions I wondered if you all might be able to help me with: 1-- We may be using the MOO to hold office hours for tutors or librarians (like an online reference desk), and I was wondering if there is a way to inform these waiting tutors when someone logs into the MOO or enters a room (can the MOO set off a bell or something). I notice that there is a Login Watcher object (#110), but I have examined it and there is no help on it. In this way, a librarian sitting at a reference desk helping walkin students could be alerted when an online student has "walked" up to the virtual reference desk. 2--How do you create a new mail list? 3--Julie Burk at AtheMOO has a login feature that I would like to emulate. When you log in to AtheMOO, you are greeted in the text side of the MOO with a number of messages that scroll past (on a repeating loop). I have tried to figure out how she does it, but most objects that scroll some text need a command to make them start (recite note). Is it a video tape on automatic play? By the way, do any of you know what is up with AtheMOO (http://moo.hawaii.edu:7000/)? I get the login page, but I can't actually get into the MOO. 4--Our external mail system is not working. If our mail server is configured correctly (in the @configure) and we are set to be able to send external mail, how else should I go about diagnosing the problem. I did get one error message once that said: "Trouble sending mail. 500 Unknown command, "Date"). We are running winMOO on an NT server. Thanks for any help you can provide. Yours, Lennie ____________________________________________ L.Lennie Irvin San Antonio College Department of English Office-phone: GH 208, (210)733-2522 Email: Lirvin@accd.edu Webpage: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/lirvin.htm AlaMOO: http://ranger.accd.edu:7000 From aborgia@videotron.ca Tue Jul 10 16:00:41 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:00:42 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74D22286F1 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:00:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from VL-MS-MR003.sc1.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 634311A093C for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:00:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from edgewater ([24.200.74.17]) by VL-MS-MR003.sc1.videotron.ca (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 MR003 Jun 11 2001 16:23:30) with SMTP id GG9ZOZ03.4EU for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:00:35 -0400 Message-ID: <001201c10983$397f14c0$0600a8c0@edgewater> From: "Alexandre Borgia" To: References: <3.0.6.32.20010710125709.0095abd0@accdvm.accd.edu> Subject: [encore] Re: Some questions Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:59:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-archive-position: 113 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: aborgia@videotron.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Bonjour! > [...] I notice that there is a Login > Watcher object (#110), but I have examined it and there is no help on it. > In this way, a librarian sitting at a reference desk helping walkin > students could be alerted when an online student has "walked" up to the > virtual reference desk. I think every player has this feature as they start if you are using the enCore database. You simply have to type: @login ... to start listening to the player connections/disconnections. That's it! > 2--How do you create a new mail list? 1) @create $mail_recipient named 2) @move to $mail_agent 3) type 'help $mail_recipient' and 'help MR-access' to know how to manage the list (ie: make it private/public/moderated, etc.) For instance, you can: '@set .readers to 1' if you want your list to be public (ie: everyone can read from it). Note that the must NOT contain the asterix (*) caracther at the begining. This caracther is added by the mailing-list matching commands. > When you log in to AtheMOO, you are greeted in the text side of the MOO > with a number of messages that scroll past (on a repeating loop). I have > tried to figure out how she does it, but most objects that scroll some text > need a command to make them start (recite note). Is it a video tape on > automatic play? Do you mean messages displayed before the player is connected? You can't really use note-type objects to display such messages. This requires some code hack in "#0:user_connected", or possibly some other login verbs as verbs on $login or various :confunc calls, etc. If you are not familiar with MOO programming, I'd recommend you to ask someone to help you with this, possibly a wizard on your MOO. You must be very careful dealing with this kind of things, since: 1) you may not receive any traceback even if there is an error 2) you may "jam" the login procedures so nobody will be able to connect to the MOO Be sure to use the raw "notify()" built-in command in these core verbs that deals with login. You can try to add the following lines in '#0:user_connected' (assuming you have made a 'login_message' property on #0, and that you @notedited it so it contains a list of strings). Ie: @prop #0.login_message {""} @notedit #0.login_message ---------- "Cut this 'if' statement (along with the last 'endif' statement) if you want this message shown to everybody, not only guests."; if (user in $object_utils:descendants($guest)) "This will display $login_message and wait to scroll for more at each 'max_page' line"; count = 0; max_page = 21; for i in ($login_message) notify(user, i); count = count + 1; if (count >= max_page) notify(user, "[please type a key to continue ...]"); read(user); count = 0; endif endfor "Cut the following block of text if you don't want the user to have an 'agreement prompt'"; notify(user, "DO YOU AGREE WITH THE ABOVE STATEMENT?"); notify(user, "[type 'yes' if you agree, or 'no' to disconnect]"); if (read(user) != "yes") boot_player(user); endif "Reminder: cut this last 'endif' if you got rid of the first 'if' statement"; endif ---------- You should add this near the top of the verb, after the "user = args[1];". I suggest you get rid of the comment lines if you copy the code. I just tested it and it seems to work great - but be ready to delete these lines if they cause problem:) Tell me weither it works or not if you try it! > 4--Our external mail system is not working. > [...] > We are running winMOO on an NT server. I've got no clue about this one and don't have much time to check it out - sorry! Is winMOO able to send external mail? Hope this help! - Alexandre Borgia (aka Korbeau on MOOFrançais) From herve@hawaii.edu Wed Jul 11 14:26:49 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:26:49 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 088D4288A3 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:26:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from m2.hawaii.edu (m2.hawaii.edu [128.171.94.30]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0D1A1A064C for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:26:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.m2.hawaii.edu by m2.hawaii.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #38439) id <0GGB00701Q0EHG@m2.hawaii.edu>; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:26:38 -1000 (HST) Received: from uhunix5.its.hawaii.edu (uhunix5.its.hawaii.edu [128.171.44.55]) by m2.hawaii.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #38439) with ESMTP id <0GGB00702Q0DHA@m2.hawaii.edu>; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:26:37 -1000 (HST) Received: from localhost (herve@localhost) by uhunix5.its.hawaii.edu (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA04535 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:26:27 -1000 (HST) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:26:26 -1000 (HST) From: rv Subject: [encore] MOO programming sessions X-X-Sender: To: encore@utdallas.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Authentication-warning: uhunix5.its.hawaii.edu: herve owned process doing -bs X-archive-position: 114 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: herve@hawaii.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Is there any MOO programming sessions going on this summer that are open to everyone? Mahalo, -rv, ----------- "God is dead!" "There is no devil and no hell. Your soul will be dead even before your body: fear nothing further". Thus Spoke Zarathustra (Nietzsche). http://www2.hawaii.edu/~herve/ ------------------------------ From jra@cnpsa.embrapa.br Wed Jul 11 14:30:38 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:30:38 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD6BE288A3 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:30:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from suave.cnpsa.embrapa.br (suave.cnpsa.embrapa.br [200.202.164.1]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 598A11A06B4 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:30:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tapicuru2 (tesoura [200.202.164.135]) by suave.cnpsa.embrapa.br (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA05401 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:17:20 -0300 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20010711163551.0084ebf0@200.202.164.1> X-Sender: jra@200.202.164.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:35:51 -0300 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Jackson Roberto Altenhofen Subject: [encore] Moo for Windows In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-archive-position: 115 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jra@cnpsa.embrapa.br Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Is There a Version of the Moo Software for Windows ? Sincerely Jackson Roberto Altenhofen Fellowship - Webdesigner Unit for Electronic Communication EMBRAPA / Swine and Poultry National Research Center BR 153 km 110, Vila Tamandua CEP: 89700-000 Concordia, SC, Brazil E-mail (Lab): jra@cnpsa.embrapa.br E-mail (Home): jra@uncnet.br From karper@expert.cc.purdue.edu Wed Jul 11 16:37:50 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:37:50 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC04A2888A for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:37:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from expert.cc.purdue.edu (expert.cc.purdue.edu [128.210.10.11]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6E681A010A for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:37:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (karper@localhost) by expert.cc.purdue.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA28935 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:37:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:37:43 -0500 (EST) From: Erin Karper To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Re: Moo for Windows In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.20010711163551.0084ebf0@200.202.164.1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 116 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: karper@expert.cc.purdue.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore As far as I know, there is a version of the server that will run on Windows. I haven't used it, but according to the encore home page, you can see what non-unix servers are available and download WinMOO from . I hope this helps. Erin -- karper@expert.cc.purdue.edu Grad Student, Technology Maven expert.cc.purdue.edu/~karper Rhetoric and Composition @ Purdue "Humanity = sound sex mayhem." -- Rich Rice, CW 2001 From cynthiah@utdallas.edu Thu Jul 12 04:53:17 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 12 Jul 2001 04:53:17 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C137288A8 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 04:53:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from apache.utdallas.edu (apache.utdallas.edu [129.110.16.9]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E7F81A006F for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 04:53:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (cynthiah@localhost) by apache.utdallas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA24076 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 04:53:22 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: apache.utdallas.edu: cynthiah owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 04:53:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Cynthia Haynes To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] MOOs in salon.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 117 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: cynthiah@utdallas.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore FYI...MOOs got a mention in an article on 7/10 in salon.com that is about how open source and free software programs used in academia are affecting Microsoft. Thanks to Johan Poppe for pointing us to: http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2001/07/10/microsoft_school/index.html (see especially the mention on page 4 of the article) Cool. Cynthia and Jan _____cynthiah@utdallas.edu______ _____http://www.utdallas.edu/~cynthiah/_____ _____Lingua MOO_____http://lingua.utdallas.edu:7000______ University of Texas at Dallas, School of Arts & Humanities PO Box 830688-Mail Station JO 31, Richardson, Tx 75083 Tel: 972-883-6340 - Fax: 972-883-2989 From kschwien@truxa1.tcd.ie Thu Jul 12 05:27:42 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 12 Jul 2001 05:27:42 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D40B288A8 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 05:27:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tcdalpha.tcd.ie (tcdalpha.tcd.ie [134.226.1.159]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE5EB1A0541 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 05:27:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lcs090199 (lcs090199.artsl.tcd.ie [134.226.90.199]) by tcdalpha.tcd.ie (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f6CARal415946 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:27:37 +0100 (IST) Message-Id: <200107121027.f6CARal415946@tcdalpha.tcd.ie> From: "Dr. Klaus Schwienhorst" To: encore@utdallas.edu Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:28:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [encore] Re: Moo for Windows Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3.0.2.32.20010711163551.0084ebf0@200.202.164.1> References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) X-archive-position: 118 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: kschwien@tcd.ie Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore I have run MOOs under Windows and Linux. The WinMOO software is ok and easy enough to set up; thus ideal for beginners. However, I would always recommend switching to Linux for running MOOs; they run much faster and much more reliable. Klaus > Is There a Version of the Moo Software for Windows ? > > Sincerely > > > > > Jackson Roberto Altenhofen > Fellowship - Webdesigner > Unit for Electronic Communication > EMBRAPA / Swine and Poultry National Research Center > BR 153 km 110, Vila Tamandua > CEP: 89700-000 > Concordia, SC, Brazil > E-mail (Lab): jra@cnpsa.embrapa.br > E-mail (Home): jra@uncnet.br > > > ------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Klaus Schwienhorst Language Modules Co-ordinator Centre for Language and Communication Studies Arts Building Trinity College Dublin 2 Ireland Phone: Ireland +1 6083525 FAX: Ireland +1 6772694 Email: kschwien@tcd.ie MOO: Klaus at CLCS Campus (http://kontakt.tcd.ie:8000) Homepage: http://www.tcd.ie/CLCS/assistants/kschwien.html ------------------------------------------------------- From Lirvin@ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU Thu Jul 12 06:26:43 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 12 Jul 2001 06:26:44 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84CCF288A8 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 06:26:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 062EB1A0A96 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 06:26:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Ir191470 [10.1.11.38] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 06:26:32 CST From: "Lennie Irvin" To: Subject: [encore] 10 object cap Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 07:32:54 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-archive-position: 119 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Lirvin@accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Does anyone know how to get around the 10 object cap put on building in any one session for a builder/programmer level player? I have someone actively building a tutoring space in AlaMOO, and he keeps running into this 10 object limit. I know how to raise his quota, but that doesn't seem to be the problem because he has plenty of space left. Thanks, Lennie Irvin San Antonio College From Lirvin@ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU Thu Jul 12 06:26:47 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 12 Jul 2001 06:26:47 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56587288CE for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 06:26:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 162801A0A85 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 06:26:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Ir191470 [10.1.11.38] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 06:26:36 CST From: "Lennie Irvin" To: Subject: [encore] Re: Moo for Windows Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 07:32:58 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.20010711163551.0084ebf0@200.202.164.1> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-archive-position: 120 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Lirvin@accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore We are running our enCore MOO on Windows NT and I know of one other MOO in Australia (Keltia) that runs enCore successfully from Windows. Jan and others, however, will tell you that Unix or Linux is preferable. The best MOO resource page I know about for databases and mooservers is Fringe's: http://www2.shore.net/~fringe/MOO/ Good luck, Lennie Irvin AlaMOO: http://ranger.accd.edu:7000 -----Original Message----- From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu]On Behalf Of Jackson Roberto Altenhofen Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 12:36 PM To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Moo for Windows Is There a Version of the Moo Software for Windows ? Sincerely Jackson Roberto Altenhofen Fellowship - Webdesigner Unit for Electronic Communication EMBRAPA / Swine and Poultry National Research Center BR 153 km 110, Vila Tamandua CEP: 89700-000 Concordia, SC, Brazil E-mail (Lab): jra@cnpsa.embrapa.br E-mail (Home): jra@uncnet.br From jra@cnpsa.embrapa.br Thu Jul 12 06:35:40 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 12 Jul 2001 06:35:41 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60EA0288A8 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 06:35:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from suave.cnpsa.embrapa.br (suave.cnpsa.embrapa.br [200.202.164.1]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82FFE1A02E6 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 06:35:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tapicuru2 (tesoura [200.202.164.135]) by suave.cnpsa.embrapa.br (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA09443 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:22:27 -0300 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20010712084104.008523a0@200.202.164.1> X-Sender: jra@200.202.164.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:41:04 -0300 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Jackson Roberto Altenhofen Subject: [encore] Re: Moo for Windows In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.2.32.20010711163551.0084ebf0@200.202.164.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-archive-position: 121 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jra@cnpsa.embrapa.br Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Dear Lennie, Thank you a lot of ! Sincerely Jack At 07:32 12/07/01 -0700, you wrote: >We are running our enCore MOO on Windows NT and I know of one other MOO in >Australia (Keltia) that runs enCore successfully from Windows. Jan and >others, however, will tell you that Unix or Linux is preferable. > >The best MOO resource page I know about for databases and mooservers is >Fringe's: >http://www2.shore.net/~fringe/MOO/ > >Good luck, > >Lennie Irvin >AlaMOO: http://ranger.accd.edu:7000 > >-----Original Message----- >From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu]On >Behalf Of Jackson Roberto Altenhofen >Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 12:36 PM >To: encore@utdallas.edu >Subject: [encore] Moo for Windows > > >Is There a Version of the Moo Software for Windows ? > >Sincerely > > > > >Jackson Roberto Altenhofen >Fellowship - Webdesigner >Unit for Electronic Communication >EMBRAPA / Swine and Poultry National Research Center >BR 153 km 110, Vila Tamandua >CEP: 89700-000 >Concordia, SC, Brazil >E-mail (Lab): jra@cnpsa.embrapa.br >E-mail (Home): jra@uncnet.br > > > > > > Jackson Roberto Altenhofen EMBRAPA/Centro Nacional de Pesquisa de Suinos e Aves Estagi=E1rio=20 N=FAcleo de Comunica=E7=E3o Eletr=F4nica =C1rea de Neg=F3cios Tecnol=F3gicos BR 153 km 110, Vila Tamandua CEP: 89700-000 Fone 0*++*49-442-8555 Ramal 357 Fax 0*++*49-442-8559 Concordia, SC Brasil E-mail (Lab): jra@cnpsa.embrapa.br http://www.cnpsa.embrapa.br E-mail (Res): jra@portaldesigner.com.br E-mail (Res): jra@uncnet.br From jra@cnpsa.embrapa.br Thu Jul 12 06:36:53 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 12 Jul 2001 06:36:54 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D826288A8 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 06:36:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from suave.cnpsa.embrapa.br (suave.cnpsa.embrapa.br [200.202.164.1]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 742311A005A for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 06:36:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tapicuru2 (tesoura [200.202.164.135]) by suave.cnpsa.embrapa.br (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA09464 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:23:34 -0300 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20010712084211.00852350@200.202.164.1> X-Sender: jra@200.202.164.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:42:11 -0300 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Jackson Roberto Altenhofen Subject: [encore] Re: Moo for Windows In-Reply-To: <200107121027.f6CARal415946@tcdalpha.tcd.ie> References: <3.0.2.32.20010711163551.0084ebf0@200.202.164.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-archive-position: 122 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jra@cnpsa.embrapa.br Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Dear Dr. Klaus, Thank you ! Regards Jack At 11:28 12/07/01 +0100, you wrote: >I have run MOOs under Windows and Linux. >The WinMOO software is ok and easy enough to set up; thus ideal=20 >for beginners. >However, I would always recommend switching to Linux for running=20 >MOOs; they run much faster and much more reliable. > >Klaus > >> Is There a Version of the Moo Software for Windows ? >>=20 >> Sincerely >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Jackson Roberto Altenhofen >> Fellowship - Webdesigner=20 >> Unit for Electronic Communication >> EMBRAPA / Swine and Poultry National Research Center >> BR 153 km 110, Vila Tamandua >> CEP: 89700-000 >> Concordia, SC, Brazil >> E-mail (Lab): jra@cnpsa.embrapa.br >> E-mail (Home): jra@uncnet.br >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 > > >------------------------------------------------------- >Dr. Klaus Schwienhorst >Language Modules Co-ordinator >Centre for Language and Communication Studies >Arts Building >Trinity College >Dublin 2 >Ireland >Phone: Ireland +1 6083525 >FAX: Ireland +1 6772694 >Email: kschwien@tcd.ie >MOO: Klaus at CLCS Campus (http://kontakt.tcd.ie:8000) >Homepage: http://www.tcd.ie/CLCS/assistants/kschwien.html >------------------------------------------------------- > > > Jackson Roberto Altenhofen EMBRAPA/Centro Nacional de Pesquisa de Suinos e Aves Estagi=E1rio=20 N=FAcleo de Comunica=E7=E3o Eletr=F4nica =C1rea de Neg=F3cios Tecnol=F3gicos BR 153 km 110, Vila Tamandua CEP: 89700-000 Fone 0*++*49-442-8555 Ramal 357 Fax 0*++*49-442-8559 Concordia, SC Brasil E-mail (Lab): jra@cnpsa.embrapa.br http://www.cnpsa.embrapa.br E-mail (Res): jra@portaldesigner.com.br E-mail (Res): jra@uncnet.br From jra@cnpsa.embrapa.br Thu Jul 12 06:38:01 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 12 Jul 2001 06:38:01 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85F5F288D3 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 06:38:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from suave.cnpsa.embrapa.br (suave.cnpsa.embrapa.br [200.202.164.1]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AA581A005A for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 06:37:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tapicuru2 (tesoura [200.202.164.135]) by suave.cnpsa.embrapa.br (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA09496 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:24:56 -0300 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20010712084333.00847470@200.202.164.1> X-Sender: jra@200.202.164.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:43:33 -0300 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: Jackson Roberto Altenhofen Subject: [encore] Re: Moo for Windows In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.2.32.20010711163551.0084ebf0@200.202.164.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-archive-position: 123 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jra@cnpsa.embrapa.br Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Dear Erin,=20 I'll visit this site ! Thank you very much ! Regards Jack At 16:37 11/07/01 -0500, you wrote: >As far as I know, there is a version of the server that will run on >Windows. I haven't used it, but according to the encore home page, you can >see what non-unix servers are available and download WinMOO from >. > >I hope this helps. > >Erin > >--=20 >karper@expert.cc.purdue.edu Grad Student, Technology Maven =20 >expert.cc.purdue.edu/~karper Rhetoric and Composition @ Purdue = =09 >"Humanity =3D sound sex mayhem." -- Rich Rice, CW 2001=20 > > > > Jackson Roberto Altenhofen EMBRAPA/Centro Nacional de Pesquisa de Suinos e Aves Estagi=E1rio=20 N=FAcleo de Comunica=E7=E3o Eletr=F4nica =C1rea de Neg=F3cios Tecnol=F3gicos BR 153 km 110, Vila Tamandua CEP: 89700-000 Fone 0*++*49-442-8555 Ramal 357 Fax 0*++*49-442-8559 Concordia, SC Brasil E-mail (Lab): jra@cnpsa.embrapa.br http://www.cnpsa.embrapa.br E-mail (Res): jra@portaldesigner.com.br E-mail (Res): jra@uncnet.br From chang@hood.edu Thu Jul 12 07:45:55 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 12 Jul 2001 07:45:55 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1488288D3 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 07:45:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from excali.hood.edu (excali.hood.edu [144.175.2.8]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D1D61A0124 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 07:45:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.hood.edu by hood.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46163) id <01K5U5UNKYTC0015ZH@hood.edu> for encore@utdallas.edu; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:45:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from hood.edu (ppp-70.netstorm.net [63.95.253.70]) by hood.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46163) with ESMTPA id <01K5U5ULLJ040013XQ@hood.edu> for encore@utdallas.edu; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:45:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:49:18 -0400 From: Elizabeth Chang Subject: [encore] Re: 10 object cap Sender: chang@hood.edu To: encore@utdallas.edu Message-id: <3B4D9CCE.FF2365BD@hood.edu> Organization: Hood College MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win95; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en,pdf References: X-archive-position: 124 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: chang@hood.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore The limit is on the number of unmeasured objects, not on building as such. See "help @measure". @measure new will go through all your or another player's objects, measuring exactly those which have never been measured before (that is, are too newly @created to have any measurement data). This is necessary as any player is only permitted to own 10 unmeasured objects, or object creation will not be permitted. EC Lennie Irvin wrote: > Does anyone know how to get around the 10 object cap put on building in any > one session for a builder/programmer level player? I have someone actively > building a tutoring space in AlaMOO, and he keeps running into this 10 > object limit. I know how to raise his quota, but that doesn't seem to be > the problem because he has plenty of space left. > > Thanks, > > Lennie Irvin > San Antonio College From dilger@nwe.ufl.edu Thu Jul 12 11:13:55 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:13:56 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BD49288CF for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:13:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from nwe.ufl.edu (kubrick.nwe.ufl.edu [128.227.148.193]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70A2D1A04F9 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:13:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from eisner.nwe.ufl.edu (eisner.nwe.ufl.edu [128.227.148.192]) by nwe.ufl.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1/zhadum) with ESMTP id MAA25083 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:13:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Bradley Dilger To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Re: 10 object cap In-Reply-To: <3B4D9CCE.FF2365BD@hood.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 125 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: dilger@nwe.ufl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore > The limit is on the number of unmeasured objects, not on building > as such. See "help @measure". Right -- and I don't suggest raising this limit. Just tell players to "@measure new" if they run into quota problems. I should note that our default quota is 100,000 -- that also helps keep wizards from dealing with requests for quota-uppage 24/7. cbd. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Bradley Dilger http://web.nwe.ufl.edu/~dilger/ From karper@expert.cc.purdue.edu Thu Jul 12 11:14:24 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:14:25 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7064288CF for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:14:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from expert.cc.purdue.edu (expert.cc.purdue.edu [128.210.10.11]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 524CE1A04F9 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:14:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (karper@localhost) by expert.cc.purdue.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA02141 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:14:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:14:22 -0500 (EST) From: Erin Karper To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Re: 10 object cap In-Reply-To: <3B4D9CCE.FF2365BD@hood.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 126 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: karper@expert.cc.purdue.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Elizabeth Chang wrote: > The limit is on the number of unmeasured objects, not on building as such. > See "help @measure". > > @measure new will go through all your or another player's objects, measuring > exactly those which have never been measured before (that is, are too newly > @created to have any measurement data). This is necessary as any player is > only permitted to own 10 unmeasured objects, or object creation will not be > permitted. Yeah, so if you have him type @measure new after he hits the ten object cap, it will measure his new objects and then he can go on building. Erin From Lirvin@ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU Fri Jul 13 05:35:17 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 13 Jul 2001 05:35:18 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92E61288AA for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 05:35:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 6F84E1A03BD for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 05:35:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Ir191470 [10.1.11.43] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 05:35:01 CST From: "Lennie Irvin" To: Subject: [encore] Re: 10 object cap Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 06:41:23 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-archive-position: 127 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Lirvin@accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Thanks for the all the good help on the @measure question. I never would have known. Which brings to mind a thought I have often had--has anyone written down all the unwritten things a wizard should know how to do to run a MOO (in one place)? Lennie -----Original Message----- From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu]On Behalf Of Erin Karper Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 9:14 AM To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Re: 10 object cap On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Elizabeth Chang wrote: > The limit is on the number of unmeasured objects, not on building as such. > See "help @measure". > > @measure new will go through all your or another player's objects, measuring > exactly those which have never been measured before (that is, are too newly > @created to have any measurement data). This is necessary as any player is > only permitted to own 10 unmeasured objects, or object creation will not be > permitted. Yeah, so if you have him type @measure new after he hits the ten object cap, it will measure his new objects and then he can go on building. Erin From dilger@nwe.ufl.edu Fri Jul 13 07:20:57 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 13 Jul 2001 07:20:57 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D45B0288AA for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 07:20:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from nwe.ufl.edu (kubrick.nwe.ufl.edu [128.227.148.193]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03A851A036C for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 07:20:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from eisner.nwe.ufl.edu (eisner.nwe.ufl.edu [128.227.148.192]) by nwe.ufl.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1/zhadum) with ESMTP id IAA06077 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 08:20:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 08:20:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Bradley Dilger To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Re: 10 object cap In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 128 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: dilger@nwe.ufl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore > Thanks for the all the good help on the @measure question. I > never would have known. Which brings to mind a thought I have > often had--has anyone written down all the unwritten things a > wizard should know how to do to run a MOO (in one place)? There used to be a wizard FAQ but it's hopelessly dated. I contacted the former maintainer and he is ready to pass the project on to other folks as long as attribution for his work is not removed. So, another project ripe for the taking... cbd. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Bradley Dilger http://web.nwe.ufl.edu/~dilger/ From mbeerman@cse.unl.edu Sat Jul 14 17:01:44 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Sat, 14 Jul 2001 17:01:45 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 448A1286F1 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 17:01:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cse.unl.edu (cse.unl.edu [129.93.33.1]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 528451A0134 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 17:01:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from mbeerman@localhost) by cse.unl.edu (8.11.2/8.9.1) id f6EM1fW1145876 for encore@lingua.utdallas.edu; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 17:01:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Matthew Allen Beermann Message-Id: <200107142201.f6EM1fW1145876@cse.unl.edu> Subject: [encore] Serious Program Editor bug in 3.0 To: encore@utdallas.edu Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 17:01:41 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL65 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 129 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: mbeerman@cse.unl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore We recently upgraded Achieve to enCore 3.0, and though most things work beautifully, in the process of checking for regressions, we've noticed a very serious problem. To see it, try editing an object that has just one verb defined. Click on that verb's name in the list, and you'll get an Invalid Argument error. Much worse yet, try deleting a verb using the Program Editor, and you'll find that the verb which is deleted is /not the one you clicked on/. The underlying problem is this: On our MOO, $server_options.support_numeric_verbname_strings=1. This means that the first verb on an object is "0", the next "1", and so forth. But the Program Editor is assuming that $server_options.support_numeric_verbname_strings=0, and so the first verb is 1, the next 2, and so forth. This isn't just a quirk of our MOO. I just logged on to Lingua, and found that the exact same problem lists there, leading me to believe it's a general issue with the 3.0 distribution itself. I'll investigate a solution (probably involving checking $server_options), but in the meantime, the enCore maintainers should probably look into this themselves. There's some serious potential for data loss here. Matthew Beermann / WizTraveller From j.turner@qut.edu.au Sat Jul 14 23:49:51 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Sat, 14 Jul 2001 23:49:52 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18AB8286F1 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 23:49:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tu01m1.qut.edu.au (mail.qut.edu.au [131.181.127.183]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 930D91A01BD for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 23:49:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by tu01m1.qut.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-33 #46658) id <0GGI0H601027ER@tu01m1.qut.edu.au> for encore@utdallas.edu; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:49:27 +1000 (EST) Received: from pigeon.qut.edu.au (pigeon.qut.edu.au [131.181.127.98]) by tu01m1.qut.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-33 #46658) with ESMTP id <0GGI0GNJH01O0V@tu01m1.qut.edu.au> for encore@utdallas.edu; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:49:00 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (turnerj@localhost) by pigeon.qut.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06485 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:48:59 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:48:59 +1000 (EST) From: "truna aka j.turner" Subject: [encore] Re: 10 object cap In-reply-to: To: encore@utdallas.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-archive-position: 130 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: j.turner@qut.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore hi from a bright southern winter - as a rather chaotic person who is just about to use a brand new moo for a course coming up and who has frankly only an intuitive notion of many of the possibilities of wizardry .... i would love (adore, be enamored of, fall for, grab with both hands like a drowning person at a straw!) access to some updated wizadry resources .... i have server space and we will have to be building up the knowledge anyway ..... check out the course ... i owe a great deal to ronan for the manner in whcih the world building finally panned out ... but any more comments are really welcome, it is aimed at a combination of arts and info tech first year undergrads taking a degree in communication design ..... http://education.qut.edu.au/turnerj/aab814/ if anyone can see anything in there that is going to send us into a major squiz, please please tell me! and yes again to the wizardry faqs! cheers, love truna ***************************************************** Truna aka J.Turner : Educational Technology Interface Lecturer in Technology & Language Learning Queensland University of Technology Australia ***************************************************** Technology & Language Learning: http://www.fed.qut.edu.au/tesol/cln618 The eMU papers: http://www.fed.qut.edu.au/tesol/cmc/emu/ ICE : http://elicos.qut.edu.au/village/ Jalapeno : jalapeno@qut.edu.au ) Personal email : j.turner@qut.edu.au 8==%^^^^^^^^^^~/^^' Business email : truna@truna.net " truna " fax : (+61) 7 3864 3988 voice : (+61) 7 3864 3259 mob : 0404884027 ICQ : #12145525 From Mark.A.ONeil@Dartmouth.EDU Mon Jul 16 08:18:44 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 16 Jul 2001 08:18:45 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5140286F1 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 08:18:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailhub.Dartmouth.EDU (mailhub.dartmouth.edu [129.170.16.6]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C7B81A02B1 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 08:18:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from donner.Dartmouth.EDU (donner.dartmouth.edu [129.170.208.3]) by mailhub.Dartmouth.EDU (8.9.3+DND/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA08787 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:18:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200107161318.JAA08787@mailhub.Dartmouth.EDU> X-Disclaimer: This message was received from outside Dartmouth's BlitzMail system. Received: by donner.Dartmouth.EDU (Mac) via SMTP from berry89-dhcp-67.dartmouth.edu [129.170.89.67] for encore@utdallas.edu id <53617593> 16 Jul 2001 09:18:40 EDT Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:18:32 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.388) From: "Mark A. ONeil" To: encore@utdallas.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v388) In-Reply-To: Subject: [encore] Re: 10 object cap Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 131 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Mark.A.ONeil@Dartmouth.EDU Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Would a MOO FAQ-O-Matic be useful? I may be able to set one up here. -m On Friday, July 13, 2001, at 08:20 AM, Bradley Dilger wrote: > >> Thanks for the all the good help on the @measure question. I >> never would have known. Which brings to mind a thought I have >> often had--has anyone written down all the unwritten things a >> wizard should know how to do to run a MOO (in one place)? > > There used to be a wizard FAQ but it's hopelessly dated. I contacted > the former maintainer and he is ready to pass the project on to other > folks as long as attribution for his work is not removed. So, another > project ripe for the taking... > > cbd. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bradley Dilger http://web.nwe.ufl.edu/~dilger/ > > --- Mark O'Neil Academic Applications Developer Academic Computing Dartmouth College 6224 Baker/Berry Peter Kiewit Computing Services Hanover, NH 03755 From egoff@mindspring.com Mon Jul 16 08:32:22 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 16 Jul 2001 08:32:23 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CD94286F1 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 08:32:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9CB91A04FD for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 08:32:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Master (user-2ivesb4.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.113.100]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA26245; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:32:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010716093044.007dd900@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: egoff@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:30:44 -0400 To: encore@utdallas.edu, encore@utdallas.edu From: egoff Subject: [encore] Re: 10 object cap In-Reply-To: <200107161318.JAA08787@mailhub.Dartmouth.EDU> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-archive-position: 132 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: egoff@mindspring.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Most of these commands are listed in the varitey of help documents found on a vanilla server, ie one that comes for the original lambda. Also there are alot of newbiee programmer guides and the arch-wizard FAQ, which someone pointed out had stopped being updated. A personal suggestion would be to start typing help and reading every help file. As well as start loooking at all the verbs on every object. Yes this is a time consuming task but you'll be sure to know your own moo inside and out. At 09:18 AM 7/16/01 -0400, Mark A. ONeil wrote: >Would a MOO FAQ-O-Matic be useful? I may be able to set one up here. > >-m > > >On Friday, July 13, 2001, at 08:20 AM, Bradley Dilger wrote: > >> >>> Thanks for the all the good help on the @measure question. I >>> never would have known. Which brings to mind a thought I have >>> often had--has anyone written down all the unwritten things a >>> wizard should know how to do to run a MOO (in one place)? >> >> There used to be a wizard FAQ but it's hopelessly dated. I contacted >> the former maintainer and he is ready to pass the project on to other >> folks as long as attribution for his work is not removed. So, another >> project ripe for the taking... >> >> cbd. >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Bradley Dilger http://web.nwe.ufl.edu/~dilger/ >> >> > >--- > >Mark O'Neil >Academic Applications Developer >Academic Computing >Dartmouth College >6224 Baker/Berry Peter Kiewit Computing Services >Hanover, NH 03755 > > From jaredjared@earthlink.net Mon Jul 16 09:22:30 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:22:31 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E029286F1 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:22:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pom.INS.cwru.edu (pom.INS.CWRU.Edu [129.22.8.234]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCD5B1A06EE for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:22:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from vr (vr.IS.CWRU.Edu [129.22.240.64]) by pom.INS.cwru.edu with SMTP (8.8.8+cwru/CWRU-1.0-smtprelay) id KAA05341; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 10:22:23 -0400 (EDT) (from jaredjared@earthlink.net for ) Message-ID: <001401c10e03$8c86f4b0$40f01681@cwru.edu> From: "Jared Bendis" To: "enCore list" Subject: [encore] Help, no one can create... Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 10:28:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-archive-position: 133 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jaredjared@earthlink.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore The strangest thing. My boss the wizard was in our Moo working and all of the sudden no one (including her) can create. We all get: #4:build_option (this == #168), line 4: Verb not found ... called from #4:_create (this == #168), line 2 ... called from #4:@create (this == #168), line 94 (End of traceback) Any ideas on where I should look first? Thanks, Jared --- Jared E Bendis aka JaredJared (on AOL) or Jaredx2 (on IRC) Technical Developer for Curricular Virtual Reality Instructional Technology Specialist Courseware Designer Deparartment of Information Services and The Curriculum Support Group Case Western Reserve University Email: jaredjared@earthlink.net Web Site: http://www.jaredjared.com Home: 216-321-5444 Fax: 216-368-8720 The eyes in the back of my head See the world I left behind. Jared Bendis From Mark.A.ONeil@Dartmouth.EDU Mon Jul 16 12:55:09 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:55:10 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B83EF286F1 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:55:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailhub.Dartmouth.EDU (mailhub.dartmouth.edu [129.170.16.6]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6D041A0061 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:54:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from donner.Dartmouth.EDU (donner.dartmouth.edu [129.170.208.3]) by mailhub.Dartmouth.EDU (8.9.3+DND/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06386; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 13:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200107161754.NAA06386@mailhub.Dartmouth.EDU> X-Disclaimer: This message was received from outside Dartmouth's BlitzMail system. Received: by donner.Dartmouth.EDU (Mac) via SMTP from berry89-dhcp-67.dartmouth.edu [129.170.89.67] for encore@utdallas.edu,... id <53629636> 16 Jul 2001 13:54:56 EDT Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 13:55:00 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.388) From: "Mark A. ONeil" To: encore@utdallas.edu, moo-cows@the-b.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v388) In-Reply-To: <001401c10e03$8c86f4b0$40f01681@cwru.edu> Subject: [encore] MOO FAQ-O-Matic Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 134 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Mark.A.ONeil@Dartmouth.EDU Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hello all, I have installed a FAQ-O-Matic for the collection of MOO FAQ Items. It is may be accessed from: http://cobweb.dartmouth.edu/~moneil/FOMServe/cache/1.html This is a user supported FAQ - you may add categories and answers on your own. It currently has: enCore : Tips specifically for enCore MOOs Wizard's Guide : Generic MOO tools and tips for Wizards Player's Guide : Generic MOO tips for Player Builder's Guide : Generic MOO tips for Builders Mailing Lists : Some popular mailing lists as the root categories (suggestions welcome). This is user supported, and is currently pretty sparse, so contribute freely and often.... This is my first go at a FOM site so if you experience difficulties or other weirdness let me know - I may not have set the permissions 100%. enjoy, -m --- Mark O'Neil Academic Applications Developer Academic Computing Dartmouth College 6224 Baker/Berry Peter Kiewit Computing Services Hanover, NH 03755 From jaredjared@earthlink.net Mon Jul 16 23:33:22 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 16 Jul 2001 23:33:23 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00EFF286F1 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 23:33:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 332251A0795 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 23:33:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from boysenberry (user-2injgsm.dialup.mindspring.com [165.121.195.150]) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA16235 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 21:33:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001401c10e79$91554200$0201a8c0@boysenberry> From: "Jared Bendis" To: References: <001401c10e03$8c86f4b0$40f01681@cwru.edu> Subject: [encore] Re: Help, no one can create... Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 00:33:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-archive-position: 135 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jaredjared@earthlink.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Thanks to rv for helping me, #77 had its parent changed. Fixed now. Thanks all --- Jared E Bendis aka JaredJared (on AOL) or Jaredx2 (on IRC) Technical Developer for Curricular Virtual Reality Instructional Technology Specialist Courseware Designer Deparartment of Information Services and The Curriculum Support Group Case Western Reserve University Email: jaredjared@earthlink.net Web Site: http://www.jaredjared.com Home: 216-321-5444 Fax: 216-368-4903 The eyes in the back of my head See the world I left behind. Jared Bendis --- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jared Bendis" To: "enCore list" Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 10:28 AM Subject: [encore] Help, no one can create... > The strangest thing. My boss the wizard was in our Moo working and all of > the sudden no one (including her) can create. > > We all get: > > #4:build_option (this == #168), line 4: Verb not found > ... called from #4:_create (this == #168), line 2 > ... called from #4:@create (this == #168), line 94 > (End of traceback) > > Any ideas on where I should look first? > > Thanks, > > Jared > > > --- > Jared E Bendis aka JaredJared (on AOL) or Jaredx2 (on IRC) > > Technical Developer for Curricular Virtual Reality > Instructional Technology Specialist > Courseware Designer > Deparartment of Information Services and > The Curriculum Support Group > Case Western Reserve University > > Email: jaredjared@earthlink.net > Web Site: http://www.jaredjared.com > Home: 216-321-5444 > Fax: 216-368-8720 > > The eyes in the back of my head > See the world I left behind. Jared Bendis > > > From jan.holmevik@hedb.uib.no Tue Jul 17 03:39:23 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 17 Jul 2001 03:39:23 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08B81286F1 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 03:39:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from alf.uib.no (alf.uib.no [129.177.30.3]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEB1A1A03C6 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 03:39:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mac27.hf.uib.no [129.177.211.27] by alf.uib.no for encore@utdallas.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.16) id 15MQNs-0003ah-00; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:39:12 +0200 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:40:40 +0200 Subject: [encore] Re: Serious Program Editor bug in 3.0 From: Jan Rune Holmevik To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200107142201.f6EM1fW1145876@cse.unl.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 136 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jan.holmevik@hedb.uib.no Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore I've discovered this problem also. Haven't had time to look into it yet, but I'll see what I can do about it. If anyone has found a solution I'll appreciate to hear about it. Cheers, Jan on 7/15/01 12:01 AM, Matthew Allen Beermann at mbeerman@cse.unl.edu wrote: > We recently upgraded Achieve to enCore 3.0, and though most things work > beautifully, in the process of checking for regressions, we've noticed a > very serious problem. > > To see it, try editing an object that has just one verb defined. Click on > that verb's name in the list, and you'll get an Invalid Argument error. > Much worse yet, try deleting a verb using the Program Editor, and you'll > find that the verb which is deleted is /not the one you clicked on/. > > The underlying problem is this: On our MOO, > $server_options.support_numeric_verbname_strings=1. This means that the > first verb on an object is "0", the next "1", and so forth. But the > Program Editor is assuming that > $server_options.support_numeric_verbname_strings=0, and so the first verb > is 1, the next 2, and so forth. > > This isn't just a quirk of our MOO. I just logged on to Lingua, and found > that the exact same problem lists there, leading me to believe it's a > general issue with the 3.0 distribution itself. > > I'll investigate a solution (probably involving checking $server_options), > but in the meantime, the enCore maintainers should probably look into this > themselves. There's some serious potential for data loss here. > > Matthew Beermann / WizTraveller > > > From Lirvin@ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU Tue Jul 17 05:59:12 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 17 Jul 2001 05:59:13 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAEA8286F1 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 05:59:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 2BABD1A028B for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 05:59:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Ir191470 [10.1.11.28] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 05:59:00 CST From: "Lennie Irvin" To: Subject: [encore] Re: MOO FAQ-O-Matic Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 07:05:25 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200107161754.NAA06386@mailhub.Dartmouth.EDU> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal X-archive-position: 137 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Lirvin@accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi Mark, Wow! Pretty nifty site. I suppose you, or anyone, could post in past messages from this list since it is archived. I think it has great potential. Egoff wrote about learning wizarding: "A personal suggestion would be to start typing help and reading every help file. As well as start loooking at all the verbs on every object. Yes this is a time consuming task but you'll be sure to know your own moo inside and out." There has got to be a better way. Lennie -----Original Message----- From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu]On Behalf Of Mark A. ONeil Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 10:55 AM To: encore@utdallas.edu; moo-cows@the-b.org Subject: [encore] MOO FAQ-O-Matic Hello all, I have installed a FAQ-O-Matic for the collection of MOO FAQ Items. It is may be accessed from: http://cobweb.dartmouth.edu/~moneil/FOMServe/cache/1.html This is a user supported FAQ - you may add categories and answers on your own. It currently has: enCore : Tips specifically for enCore MOOs Wizard's Guide : Generic MOO tools and tips for Wizards Player's Guide : Generic MOO tips for Player Builder's Guide : Generic MOO tips for Builders Mailing Lists : Some popular mailing lists as the root categories (suggestions welcome). This is user supported, and is currently pretty sparse, so contribute freely and often.... This is my first go at a FOM site so if you experience difficulties or other weirdness let me know - I may not have set the permissions 100%. enjoy, -m --- Mark O'Neil Academic Applications Developer Academic Computing Dartmouth College 6224 Baker/Berry Peter Kiewit Computing Services Hanover, NH 03755 From Mark.A.ONeil@Dartmouth.EDU Tue Jul 17 06:30:22 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 17 Jul 2001 06:30:22 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5DED286F1 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 06:30:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailhub.Dartmouth.EDU (mailhub.dartmouth.edu [129.170.16.6]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA3E11A028B for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 06:30:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from donner.Dartmouth.EDU (donner.dartmouth.edu [129.170.208.3]) by mailhub.Dartmouth.EDU (8.9.3+DND/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA05247 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 07:30:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200107171130.HAA05247@mailhub.Dartmouth.EDU> X-Disclaimer: This message was received from outside Dartmouth's BlitzMail system. Received: by donner.Dartmouth.EDU (Mac) via SMTP from berry89-dhcp-67.dartmouth.edu [129.170.89.67] for encore@utdallas.edu id <53649046> 17 Jul 2001 07:30:16 EDT Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 07:30:13 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.388) From: "Mark A. ONeil" To: encore@utdallas.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v388) In-Reply-To: Subject: [encore] Re: MOO FAQ-O-Matic Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 138 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: Mark.A.ONeil@Dartmouth.EDU Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Thanks - it seemed an appropriate thing to do. Yes I think anyone may post - need someone to test that though. We can also add additional root/sub-categories as they seem appropriate. Perhaps "Useful URLS"?, because one can also merely store URLS to helpful sites, but if the actual content is there (in the FAQ) it is searchable. I did read egoff's reply and in part it served as the impetus to put up the MOO-FAQ. While it is useful to perform what he/she suggested often that is useless when needing to solve a problem _NOW_(!). regards, -m On Tuesday, July 17, 2001, at 10:05 AM, Lennie Irvin wrote: > Wow! Pretty nifty site. I suppose you, or anyone, could post in past > messages from this list since it is archived. I think it has great > potential. > > Egoff wrote about learning wizarding: "A personal suggestion would be to > start typing help and reading every help file. As well as start > loooking at > all the verbs on every object. Yes this is a time consuming task but > you'll > be sure to know your own moo inside and out." > > There has got to be a better way. --- Mark O'Neil Academic Applications Developer Academic Computing Dartmouth College 6224 Baker/Berry Peter Kiewit Computing Services Hanover, NH 03755 From egoff@mindspring.com Tue Jul 17 11:44:42 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:44:43 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05EFC288AA for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:44:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 028C11A047C for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:44:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Master (user-2ivesmk.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.114.212]) by hall.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA20099; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:44:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010717124300.007d8cd0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: egoff@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:43:00 -0400 To: encore@utdallas.edu, From: egoff Subject: [encore] Re: MOO FAQ-O-Matic In-Reply-To: References: <200107161754.NAA06386@mailhub.Dartmouth.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-archive-position: 139 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: egoff@mindspring.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Maybe a better way Lennie, but not as detailed as one. I've been doing this for 10 years and still learn new things everyday. I don't use the encore, not becuase I dislike it, but becuase I don't want the web interface on my sites. This doesn't mean web is bad I just prefer Roleplaying vs's a web browser and to be honest alot of the admin should try the raw commandline interface. That or login some place like lambda and start reading some of the core and developer lists. Learn all you can if you really want to learn. IF you just want to put something up for many of the good reasons I see here then feel to ignore me. :) Either way it takes alot to be willing to do what you guys are trying to do. I know ask me or anyone thats been doing this for a long time. So kudos and dont take what I say personally please . :) Egoff 1 At 07:05 AM 7/17/01 -0700, Lennie Irvin wrote: >Hi Mark, > >Wow! Pretty nifty site. I suppose you, or anyone, could post in past >messages from this list since it is archived. I think it has great >potential. > >Egoff wrote about learning wizarding: "A personal suggestion would be to >start typing help and reading every help file. As well as start loooking at >all the verbs on every object. Yes this is a time consuming task but you'll >be sure to know your own moo inside and out." > >There has got to be a better way. > >Lennie > >-----Original Message----- >From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu]On >Behalf Of Mark A. ONeil >Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 10:55 AM >To: encore@utdallas.edu; moo-cows@the-b.org >Subject: [encore] MOO FAQ-O-Matic > > >Hello all, >I have installed a FAQ-O-Matic for the collection of MOO FAQ Items. It >is may be accessed from: >http://cobweb.dartmouth.edu/~moneil/FOMServe/cache/1.html > >This is a user supported FAQ - you may add categories and answers on >your own. > >It currently has: >enCore : Tips specifically for enCore MOOs >Wizard's Guide : Generic MOO tools and tips for Wizards >Player's Guide : Generic MOO tips for Player >Builder's Guide : Generic MOO tips for Builders >Mailing Lists : Some popular mailing lists > >as the root categories (suggestions welcome). > >This is user supported, and is currently pretty sparse, so contribute >freely and often.... > >This is my first go at a FOM site so if you experience difficulties or >other weirdness let me know - I may not have set the permissions 100%. > >enjoy, >-m > >--- > >Mark O'Neil >Academic Applications Developer >Academic Computing >Dartmouth College >6224 Baker/Berry Peter Kiewit Computing Services >Hanover, NH 03755 > > > From lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Tue Jul 17 12:59:56 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:59:56 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64D9A2889F for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:59:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (accdvm.accd.edu [209.184.119.1]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 86AF41A0796 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:59:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from gh208-lirvin [10.11.14.170] by ACCDVM.ACCD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:59:04 CST Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010717125733.0099b350@accdvm.accd.edu> X-Sender: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:57:33 -0500 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Subject: [encore] Re: MOO FAQ-O-Matic In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010717124300.007d8cd0@pop.mindspring.com> References: <200107161754.NAA06386@mailhub.Dartmouth.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-archive-position: 140 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore No personal slight felt or intended from me either. As a fairly new MOOer, I am constantly faced with the maze of learning how MOOing works. I chip away at it all the time, but it seems like I am only pecking on the outside of the iceberg. Perhaps it is its gaming roots where a lot of the joy is figuring out how something works, but I am interested in a more efficient way of learning what I need to know. I believe the extensive and impressive MOO help needs to be brought out of the MOO "syntax" and placed in a clear, complete form of documentation. I already am working on the general enCore User's Guide for the Open Source Documentation project we discussed last Spring, but as Brad mentioned, it would be great if someone were to take on a Wizard's Guide. The benefits would be many: 1)extended explanations and examples, 2) easier reading and access, and 3) information that is sorted and processed rather than random. I see all this documetation stuff as a natural evolution as MOOs become more user-friendly. Cheers, Lennie At 12:43 PM 7/17/01 -0400, you wrote: >Maybe a better way Lennie, but not as detailed as one. I've been doing this >for 10 years and still learn new things everyday. I don't use the encore, >not becuase I dislike it, but becuase I don't want the web interface on my >sites. This doesn't mean web is bad I just prefer Roleplaying vs's a web >browser and to be honest alot of the admin should try the raw commandline >interface. That or login some place like lambda and start reading some of >the core and developer lists. Learn all you can if you really want to >learn. IF you just want to put something up for many of the good reasons I >see here then feel to ignore me. :) Either way it takes alot to be willing >to do what you guys are trying to do. I know ask me or anyone thats been >doing this for a long time. So kudos and dont take what I say personally >please . :) > >Egoff > >1 >At 07:05 AM 7/17/01 -0700, Lennie Irvin wrote: >>Hi Mark, >> >>Wow! Pretty nifty site. I suppose you, or anyone, could post in past >>messages from this list since it is archived. I think it has great >>potential. >> >>Egoff wrote about learning wizarding: "A personal suggestion would be to >>start typing help and reading every help file. As well as start loooking at >>all the verbs on every object. Yes this is a time consuming task but you'll >>be sure to know your own moo inside and out." >> >>There has got to be a better way. >> >>Lennie >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu [mailto:encore-bounce@utdallas.edu]On >>Behalf Of Mark A. ONeil >>Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 10:55 AM >>To: encore@utdallas.edu; moo-cows@the-b.org >>Subject: [encore] MOO FAQ-O-Matic >> >> >>Hello all, >>I have installed a FAQ-O-Matic for the collection of MOO FAQ Items. It >>is may be accessed from: >>http://cobweb.dartmouth.edu/~moneil/FOMServe/cache/1.html >> >>This is a user supported FAQ - you may add categories and answers on >>your own. >> >>It currently has: >>enCore : Tips specifically for enCore MOOs >>Wizard's Guide : Generic MOO tools and tips for Wizards >>Player's Guide : Generic MOO tips for Player >>Builder's Guide : Generic MOO tips for Builders >>Mailing Lists : Some popular mailing lists >> >>as the root categories (suggestions welcome). >> >>This is user supported, and is currently pretty sparse, so contribute >>freely and often.... >> >>This is my first go at a FOM site so if you experience difficulties or >>other weirdness let me know - I may not have set the permissions 100%. >> >>enjoy, >>-m >> >>--- >> >>Mark O'Neil >>Academic Applications Developer >>Academic Computing >>Dartmouth College >>6224 Baker/Berry Peter Kiewit Computing Services >>Hanover, NH 03755 >> >> >> > > > ____________________________________________ L.Lennie Irvin San Antonio College Department of English Office-phone: GH 208, (210)733-2522 Email: Lirvin@accd.edu Webpage: http://www.accd.edu/sac/english/lirvin/lirvin.htm AlaMOO: http://ranger.accd.edu:7000 From dilger@nwe.ufl.edu Tue Jul 17 13:09:21 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:09:22 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EE5D2889F for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:09:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from nwe.ufl.edu (kubrick.nwe.ufl.edu [128.227.148.193]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E92F41A08C0 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:09:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from eisner.nwe.ufl.edu (eisner.nwe.ufl.edu [128.227.148.192]) by nwe.ufl.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1/zhadum) with ESMTP id OAA29367 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:09:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:09:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Bradley Dilger To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Re: MOO FAQ-O-Matic In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010717125733.0099b350@accdvm.accd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 141 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: dilger@nwe.ufl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore > I believe the extensive and impressive MOO help needs to be > brought out of the MOO "syntax" and placed in a clear, complete > form of documentation. It does. At the same time, MOO administration is system administration, and there's no way to document and/or anticipate everything. Resources such as this list, FAQ-O-M, your users guide, etc. are great. But there's no substitute for in-depth study. Certainly, one doesn't need to memorize every verb on every object. But getting familiar with how specific verbs work helps build a general awareness of the conventions of object-oriented programming and administration, and makes problem-solving less difficult. And, every now and then, an undocumented verb or function appears which makes life much easier... cbd. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Bradley Dilger http://web.nwe.ufl.edu/~dilger/ From cynthiah@utdallas.edu Wed Jul 18 04:53:30 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 18 Jul 2001 04:53:31 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41BB92888A for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 04:53:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from apache.utdallas.edu (apache.utdallas.edu [129.110.16.9]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7DAA1A09F0 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 04:53:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (cynthiah@localhost) by apache.utdallas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA28382 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 04:53:33 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: apache.utdallas.edu: cynthiah owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 04:53:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Cynthia Haynes To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] post from Jason Cole Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 142 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: cynthiah@utdallas.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:28:31 -0700 Subject: Server error with new install From: Jason Cole To: Hi all. I've just begun playing around with enCore and LambdaMoo. I'm hoping to use it here are San Francisco State University, but I'm running in to a problem. The system works fine from a MOO client and the java client works as well. I can't get the web menus to work, however. I keep getting an internal server error. Here is the traceback: An internal server error was encountered. If this problem persists please notify a MOO administrator.


Failed request was: GET /Xpress_client/menu.html HTTP/1.1
Details: 

Traceback: 

#166:_web_menu, line 24:Verb not found
... called from #147:menu_html, line 28
... called from #32:get, line 45
(End of traceback)
enCoreXpress/3.0 web server at devzone.cet.sfsu.edu port 7000
Any suggestions? Thanks in advance. Jason Jason Cole, Ph.D. Online Teaching Support Specialist The Center for the Enhancement of Teaching San Francisco State University LIB 435, 1600 Holloway Avenue San Francisco, CA 94132 http://online.sfsu.edu 415.405.3536 (Office Phone) 415.338.6489 (FAX) jrcole@sfsu.edu From jan.holmevik@hedb.uib.no Wed Jul 18 05:16:35 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 18 Jul 2001 05:16:36 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F38D2888A for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 05:16:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from alf.uib.no (alf.uib.no [129.177.30.3]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE9731A05AF for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 05:16:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mac27.hf.uib.no [129.177.211.27] by alf.uib.no with esmtp (Exim 3.16) id 15MoNW-0001EH-00; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:16:26 +0200 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:18:17 +0200 Subject: [encore] Re: post from Jason Cole From: Jan Rune Holmevik To: , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 143 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jan.holmevik@hedb.uib.no Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hello Jason, Object #166 shown in your traceback below is not used by the Xpress system in the enCore database. Have you ported Xpress to an existing MOO based on a non-enCore db? If so, it seems that there is a verb or more that hasn't been ported and installed properly. List the verb #166:_web_menu in your MOO and look at line 24 to find the reference to the missing verb. Cheers, Jan on 7/18/01 11:53 AM, Cynthia Haynes at cynthiah@utdallas.edu wrote: > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:28:31 -0700 > Subject: Server error with new install > From: Jason Cole > To: > > Hi all. > > I've just begun playing around with enCore and LambdaMoo. I'm hoping to use > it here are San Francisco State University, but I'm running in to a problem. > The system works fine from a MOO client and the java client works as well. I > can't get the web menus to work, however. I keep getting an internal server > error. > > Here is the traceback: > > An internal server error was encountered. If this problem persists please > notify a MOO administrator.

>
Failed request was: GET /Xpress_client/menu.html HTTP/1.1 >
> Details: > 

> Traceback: 
> 
> #166:_web_menu, line 24:Verb not found
> ... called from #147:menu_html, line 28
> ... called from #32:get, line 45
> (End of traceback)
>
>
enCoreXpress/3.0 web server at devzone.cet.sfsu.edu > port 7000
> > > Any suggestions? From jason.nolan@utoronto.ca Wed Jul 18 08:08:29 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 18 Jul 2001 08:08:30 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BD692888A for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 08:08:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca (bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca [128.100.132.16]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 515C31A0A14 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 08:08:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from HSE-Toronto-ppp183944.sympatico.ca ([64.229.104.199] EHLO [10.0.1.2] ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 28786]) by bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca with ESMTP id <464236-2538>; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:08:15 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jason.nolan@mailbox91.utcc.utoronto.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:07:52 -0400 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: JASON NOLAN Subject: [encore] Re: Serious Program Editor bug in 3.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-archive-position: 144 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jason.nolan@utoronto.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore This suggests that anyone who uses the GUI as a wiz should stop doing so right now. The potential for erasing something that causes unrecoverable error to your moo is a present danger. Thanks for bringing this to light Trav. Jason -- Jason Nolan, PhD Project Director Project Achieve: Schoolnet's MOO http://moo.schoolnet.ca http://achieve.utoronto.ca From mbeerman@cse.unl.edu Wed Jul 18 15:36:02 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:36:03 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49C5C2874F for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:36:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cse.unl.edu (cse.unl.edu [129.93.33.1]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CA411A0392 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:35:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from mbeerman@localhost) by cse.unl.edu (8.11.2/8.9.1) id f6IKZWH2276489 for encore@utdallas.edu; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:35:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Matthew Allen Beermann Message-Id: <200107182035.f6IKZWH2276489@cse.unl.edu> Subject: [encore] Potential software conflict with enCore To: encore@utdallas.edu Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:35:32 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL65 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 145 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: mbeerman@cse.unl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Well, we've stumbled upon another oddness in enCore 3.0: we're running UltimateBB (www.infopop.com), an extremely popular bulletin board program, on the same box as our MOO. Alas, they don't play nice together: when you log into the bulletin board, your login cookie for the MOO is immediately overwritten. And, of course, the next time you try to do anything in the MOO, it tells you that your session has expired. Oops. This is new in 3.0. We'll poke around looking for a workaround, but in the meantime, we thought it would be a good idea to warn any of you out there who might happen to be using the same software. Matthew Beermann / WizTraveller From hughes@un-agency.com Wed Jul 18 22:57:12 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:57:13 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A39A62874F for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:57:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from un-agency.com (rubidium.un-agency.com [142.176.6.2]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B76951A0BBD for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:57:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from hughes@localhost) by un-agency.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA31337; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 00:56:59 -0300 From: Kevin Hughes Message-Id: <200107190356.AAA31337@un-agency.com> Subject: [encore] Transfer of existing non-enCore databse to enCore To: encore@utdallas.edu Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 00:56:58 -0300 (ADT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 146 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: hughes@un-agency.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi there, I currently have an old MOO project that, due to the success we've had with enCore on a community project, I would like to incorporate into my own personal project. Is there any way to easily a) copy the contents of my old database (sans core objects obviously) into an enCore environment, or b) 'patch' the existing database to make it capable of running the enCore system? I've looked at @dump and considered manually moving the contents, but this would be fairly time consuming and since object #s would not match up a fair bit of handwork would be required to get it to copy properly. I'd rather avoid this if I could, so I'm hoping someone might be able to help me out here. Thanks in advance for any advice anyone can offer on this. -- Kevin Hughes Senior Programmer Vantage Communications hughes@un-agency.com From jan.holmevik@hedb.uib.no Thu Jul 19 03:45:15 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 19 Jul 2001 03:45:16 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C8932874F for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 03:45:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from alf.uib.no (alf.uib.no [129.177.30.3]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEADA1A00AC for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 03:45:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mac27.hf.uib.no [129.177.211.27] by alf.uib.no for encore@utdallas.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.16) id 15N9Qg-0006pC-00; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 10:45:06 +0200 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 10:46:58 +0200 Subject: [encore] Re: Serious Program Editor bug in 3.0 From: Jan Rune Holmevik To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 147 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jan.holmevik@hedb.uib.no Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Before everyone get too alarmed, I'd like to point out that the bug only affect use of the Xpress Program Editor. It does not affect the Xpress Admin tools, for example. Until we can determine the exact cause of the problem and find a solution for it, however, I would recommend that the program editor not be used. Cheers, Jan on 7/18/01 3:07 PM, JASON NOLAN at jason.nolan@utoronto.ca wrote: > This suggests that anyone who uses the GUI as a wiz should stop doing > so right now. > The potential for erasing something that causes unrecoverable error to your > moo > is a present danger. > > Thanks for bringing this to light Trav. > > Jason From jan.holmevik@hedb.uib.no Thu Jul 19 09:36:20 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:36:21 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B59C52874F for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:36:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from alf.uib.no (alf.uib.no [129.177.30.3]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 874641A023D for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:36:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mac27.hf.uib.no [129.177.211.27] by alf.uib.no for encore@utdallas.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.16) id 15NEuM-0003e3-00; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:36:06 +0200 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:37:58 +0200 Subject: [encore] Re: Serious Program Editor bug in 3.0 From: Jan Rune Holmevik To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 148 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jan.holmevik@hedb.uib.no Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore With the help of Matthew's initial troubleshooting, I have now located the source of the Xpress Program Editor bug noted here earlier. I'm working on a fix for it which I'll release in the next few days. Fortunately, the problem was not as serious as it appeared at first glance since only non-enCore based systems were affected. This means that the bug actually affected less than 5% of the installed enCore systems. Cheers, Jan From mbeerman@cse.unl.edu Thu Jul 19 09:48:31 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:48:32 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC8DC288D5 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:48:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cse.unl.edu (cse.unl.edu [129.93.33.1]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4079E1A0C68 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:48:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from mbeerman@localhost) by cse.unl.edu (8.11.2/8.9.1) id f6JEmMo2410601 for encore@utdallas.edu; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:48:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Matthew Allen Beermann Message-Id: <200107191448.f6JEmMo2410601@cse.unl.edu> Subject: [encore] Re: Serious Program Editor bug in 3.0 In-Reply-To: from Jan Rune Holmevik at "Jul 19, 2001 04:37:58 pm" To: encore@utdallas.edu Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:48:22 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL65 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 149 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: mbeerman@cse.unl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Good to hear. I was mostly scared because, since Lingua had the bug, I thought that everyone did. :) > With the help of Matthew's initial troubleshooting, I have now located the > source of the Xpress Program Editor bug noted here earlier. I'm working on a > fix for it which I'll release in the next few days. > > Fortunately, the problem was not as serious as it appeared at first glance > since only non-enCore based systems were affected. This means that the bug > actually affected less than 5% of the installed enCore systems. > > Cheers, > Jan > > From rhs@enterprise.aacc.cc.md.us Fri Jul 20 09:54:41 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:54:42 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BF402889F for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:54:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from enterprise.aacc.cc.md.us (unknown [204.192.48.123]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 383141A0DD5 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:54:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (rhs@localhost) by enterprise.aacc.cc.md.us (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06979 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:53:52 -0400 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:53:52 -0400 (EDT) From: "Richard H.C. Seabrook" To: Subject: [encore] Re: Transfer of existing non-enCore databse to enCore In-Reply-To: <200107190356.AAA31337@un-agency.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 150 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: rhs@enterprise.aacc.cc.md.us Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore I don't know of anything short of a manual reconcilliation. Seems to me if the MOO DB went to a segmented architecture with qualified names instead of a single linear object-number space then porting objects between moos might be a bit easier. Anyone know if this has been tried anywhere? I can't seem to find the old moo-cows list so I thought I'd ask it here, sorry for the distraction.. Dick S. On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Kevin Hughes wrote: > Hi there, > > I currently have an old MOO project that, due to the success > we've had with enCore on a community project, I would like to > incorporate into my own personal project. Is there any way to > easily a) copy the contents of my old database (sans core > objects obviously) into an enCore environment, or b) 'patch' > the existing database to make it capable of running the enCore > system? > > I've looked at @dump and considered manually moving the contents, > but this would be fairly time consuming and since object #s would > not match up a fair bit of handwork would be required to get it > to copy properly. I'd rather avoid this if I could, so I'm hoping > someone might be able to help me out here. > > Thanks in advance for any advice anyone can offer on this. > > -- > Kevin Hughes > Senior Programmer > Vantage Communications > hughes@un-agency.com > > -- @-------------------------------------------------------------------) | Dick Seabrook Computer Science | | rhs@enterprise.aacc.cc.md.us _ Anne Arundel Community College | | (410)541-2424 //:-) Speed the Net! | @-------------------------------------------------------------------) From jan.holmevik@hedb.uib.no Fri Jul 20 10:58:44 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:58:45 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6354A288C6 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:58:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from alf.uib.no (alf.uib.no [129.177.30.3]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 225191A00F8 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:58:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mac27.hf.uib.no [129.177.211.27] by alf.uib.no for encore@utdallas.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.16) id 15Ncfg-0005j9-00; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 17:58:32 +0200 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 18:00:23 +0200 Subject: [encore] enCore 3.0.1 Released! From: Jan Rune Holmevik To: enCore list Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-archive-position: 151 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jan.holmevik@hedb.uib.no Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore We are pleased to announce that enCore version 3.0.1 has been released today. This is a maintenance release to version 3.0 that we released earlie= r this year. Download the full distribution, or the 3.0.1 upgrade patch from the enCore web site at http://lingua.utdallas.edu/encore/ This release marks the 4th anniversary of the enCore database. The first public release was on July 25th, 1997, and since then we have had a total o= f 23 releases. Our philosophy has always been to release early and often, something that we'll continue to do in the future. Thanks to everyone who have contributed to the enCore software in the form of code, bug reports, o= r general feedback! Enjoy, Cynthia and Jan enCore 3.0.1 Changelog - Fixed a problem with Xpress Program Editor in MOO's built prior to the original enCore database. When $server_options.support_numeric_verbname_strings was set to 1, Xpress would erroniously pick the wrong verb. The fix for this include modifications to $xpress_program_editor:edit_verb, $xpress_program_editor:delete_verb and $xpress_program_editor:compiler_html. In addition, I also fixed a potential problem with identically named verbs in $xpress_program_editor:compiler_html. This was done by using verb number instead of verb name as reference. Thanks to Beermann for help with troubleshooting this issue. - Fixed a performance issue with $xpress_object_editor:editor_html - Modified $httpd:generate_server_response_header and removed a semi-colon from set cookie instructions to prevent breaking authentication from certai= n browsers. - Fixed a display bug in $help_browser:help_contents_html. Thanks to Herv=E9 Collin. - Fixed typos and grammatical errors in certain help properties. __Jan Rune Holmevik, Cand Philol_________________________________________ University of Bergen jan@mac.com Department of Humanistic Informatics jan.holmevik@uib.no Sydnesplass 7, HF-bygget janruneh@utdallas.edu N-5007 Bergen, NORWAY http://lingua.utdallas.edu/jan From jason.nolan@utoronto.ca Fri Jul 20 15:10:41 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 20 Jul 2001 15:10:42 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBB51288DA for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 15:10:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca (bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca [128.100.132.16]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 822E81A0E3E for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 15:10:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from HSE-Toronto-ppp184326.sympatico.ca ([64.229.106.73] EHLO [10.0.1.2] ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 28693]) by bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca with ESMTP id <464202-20431>; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:10:22 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jason.nolan@mailbox91.utcc.utoronto.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200107190356.AAA31337@un-agency.com> References: <200107190356.AAA31337@un-agency.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:05:08 -0400 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: JASON NOLAN Subject: [encore] Re: Transfer of existing non-enCore database to enCore Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-archive-position: 152 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jason.nolan@utoronto.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Yes, it is possible. We don't use Encore on achieve, as we have our own core. But we use and love Xpress, the GUI part of encore and have released our VASE, file upload utilities, MOOca and various utilities developed on our core as part of the encore release. So, we only ported the Xpress GUI part and used it in the place of our previous GUI. It puts pressure on you, but it is nothing a senior programmer in any context shouldn't be able to handle. And it is well worth the effort to just drop Xpress on top of an existing Moo. Especially when it was done for me by a wonderful programmer. Come by and take a look. Jason -- Jason Nolan, PhD Project Director Project Achieve: Schoolnet's MOO http://moo.schoolnet.ca http://achieve.utoronto.ca From gordoneng@worldnet.att.net Sat Jul 21 12:54:21 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Sat, 21 Jul 2001 12:54:22 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id F08482874F for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 12:54:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.46]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFCA81A0079 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 12:54:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from worldnet.att.net ([12.78.224.125]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with SMTP id <20010721175414.LBCX3208.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@worldnet.att.net> for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 17:54:14 +0000 Message-ID: <3B59C1DB.759AF0C5@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 13:54:35 -0400 From: Gordon Eng X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Re: Proxy Server problems References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-archive-position: 153 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: gordoneng@worldnet.att.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hi Jan, I'm using a proxy server so that more than one computer can access the net from one internet connection. I find the only computer that can connect properly to a MOO is the main one. The satellite computers don't work. I'm using a proxy server from www.analogx.com. Do you know how I can work around this problem or where I can find info about a solution? Thanks very much for your help. Gordon Eng Jan Rune Holmevik wrote: > We are pleased to announce that enCore version 3.0.1 has been released > today. This is a maintenance release to version 3.0 that we released earlier > this year. Download the full distribution, or the 3.0.1 upgrade patch from > the enCore web site at http://lingua.utdallas.edu/encore/ > > This release marks the 4th anniversary of the enCore database. The first > public release was on July 25th, 1997, and since then we have had a total of > 23 releases. Our philosophy has always been to release early and often, > something that we'll continue to do in the future. Thanks to everyone who > have contributed to the enCore software in the form of code, bug reports, or > general feedback! > > Enjoy, > Cynthia and Jan > > enCore 3.0.1 Changelog > > - Fixed a problem with Xpress Program Editor in MOO's built prior to the > original enCore database. When > $server_options.support_numeric_verbname_strings was set to 1, Xpress would > erroniously pick the wrong verb. The fix for this include modifications to > $xpress_program_editor:edit_verb, $xpress_program_editor:delete_verb and > $xpress_program_editor:compiler_html. In addition, I also fixed a potential > problem with identically named verbs in > $xpress_program_editor:compiler_html. This was done by using verb number > instead of verb name as reference. Thanks to Beermann for help with > troubleshooting this issue. > > - Fixed a performance issue with $xpress_object_editor:editor_html > > - Modified $httpd:generate_server_response_header and removed a semi-colon > from set cookie instructions to prevent breaking authentication from certain > browsers. > > - Fixed a display bug in $help_browser:help_contents_html. Thanks to Hervé > Collin. > > - Fixed typos and grammatical errors in certain help properties. > > __Jan Rune Holmevik, Cand Philol_________________________________________ > University of Bergen jan@mac.com > Department of Humanistic Informatics jan.holmevik@uib.no > Sydnesplass 7, HF-bygget janruneh@utdallas.edu > N-5007 Bergen, NORWAY http://lingua.utdallas.edu/jan From rtk@stargate.net Sun Jul 22 16:21:21 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Sun, 22 Jul 2001 16:21:22 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6B88286F1 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 16:21:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from smtp3.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp3.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.143]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id E1F1B1A047B for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 16:21:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 11983 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 21:20:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO t4k7j9) (144.80.92.145) by smtp3.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 22 Jul 2001 21:20:59 -0000 From: "Rob Koch Jr." To: Subject: [encore] Call it FubarMOO... Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 17:27:33 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3B59C1DB.759AF0C5@worldnet.att.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-archive-position: 154 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: rtk@stargate.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hey all, I need a bit of help/advice. For various reasons I'd rather not get into in great detail, we had to re-install our RedHat Linux (actually upgraded to 7.1 -- RAIDs and Mirrors and such)... Anyway, afterward, we reinstalled the MOO, but did it in another file location. As it appears now, we have the two halves (telnet and web), but no icons or images. When I look at the properties of the various icons through the "browse the MOO" feature on the login page, I see that the icons are still directed toward the old file location. Is there a way that I can change the file location for all the icons, or do I need to go in and change each one? And, either way, what is the best way to do it, if it's possible? Please let me know asap. Best, Rob http://144.80.145.127:7000 From jason.nolan@utoronto.ca Sun Jul 22 16:44:22 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Sun, 22 Jul 2001 16:44:23 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B19C2286F1 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 16:44:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca (bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca [128.100.132.16]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 914E31A0490 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 16:44:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from HSE-Toronto-ppp183471.sympatico.ca ([64.229.102.234] EHLO [10.0.1.2] ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 28788]) by bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca with ESMTP id <464234-21842>; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 17:44:10 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jason.nolan@mailbox91.utcc.utoronto.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 17:43:55 -0400 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: JASON NOLAN Subject: [encore] Re: Call it FubarMOO... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-archive-position: 155 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jason.nolan@utoronto.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore been there, done that. I have the moo in /home/httpd/html/encore, but the icons in /home/httpd/html/encore2/encore One option is to just put the icons where the moo is looking for them, the other is to use @configure, or whatever, to look in the right place. I think there's an option under the (wiz) icon for that. Jason From rtk@stargate.net Sun Jul 22 19:03:38 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Sun, 22 Jul 2001 19:03:38 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC869286F1 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 19:03:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from smtp3.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp3.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.143]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id C1E611A010F for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 19:03:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 980 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 23:09:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ) (206.210.69.171) by smtp3.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 22 Jul 2001 23:09:45 -0000 Received: from 144.80.145.127 (SquirrelMail authenticated user rtk@stargate.net) by mail.stargate.net with HTTP; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 19:10:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33166.144.80.145.127.995843454.squirrel@mail.stargate.net> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 19:10:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [encore] Re: Call it FubarMOO... From: To: encore@utdallas.edu In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.0.6) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-archive-position: 156 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: rtk@stargate.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore The difference appears to be that the MOO is looking for the icons under the image file, but they are actually one layer deeper ina file marked icons. I am concerned that moving the icons from the icon file to the image file will screw something else up, so I'm a bit reluctant, but my base url seems to be correct -- ipaddress/oakmoo/encore Rob > been there, done that. > > I have the moo in /home/httpd/html/encore, but the icons in > /home/httpd/html/encore2/encore > One option is to just put the icons where the moo is looking for > them, the other is to use @configure, or whatever, to look in the > right place. I think there's an option under the (wiz) icon for that. > > Jason From jason.nolan@utoronto.ca Sun Jul 22 19:29:03 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Sun, 22 Jul 2001 19:29:04 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5759D286F1 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 19:29:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca (bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca [128.100.132.16]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EC6C1A03F0 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 19:28:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from HSE-Toronto-ppp186272.sympatico.ca ([64.229.113.241] EHLO [10.0.1.2] ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 28678]) by bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca with ESMTP id <464284-27573>; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 20:28:42 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jason.nolan@mailbox91.utcc.utoronto.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <33166.144.80.145.127.995843454.squirrel@mail.stargate.net> References: <33166.144.80.145.127.995843454.squirrel@mail.stargate.net> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 20:28:27 -0400 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: JASON NOLAN Subject: [encore] Re: Call it FubarMOO... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-archive-position: 157 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jason.nolan@utoronto.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Then copy them? It is questionable unix practice, but it sure works... It is only hard drive space, which, compared to the past decades, don't cost much. J >The difference appears to be that the MOO is looking for the icons under the >image file, but they are actually one layer deeper ina file marked icons. >I am concerned that moving the icons from the icon file to the image file >will screw something else up, so I'm a bit reluctant, but my base url seems >to be correct -- ipaddress/oakmoo/encore > >Rob > >> been there, done that. >> >> I have the moo in /home/httpd/html/encore, but the icons in >> /home/httpd/html/encore2/encore >> One option is to just put the icons where the moo is looking for >> them, the other is to use @configure, or whatever, to look in the >> right place. I think there's an option under the (wiz) icon for that. >> >> Jason -- ------ Jason Nolan, PhD Scholar in Residence Knowledge Media Design Institute University of Toronto www.kmdi.utoronto.ca From jan.holmevik@hedb.uib.no Mon Jul 23 05:22:27 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 23 Jul 2001 05:22:28 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5D71286F1 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 05:22:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from alf.uib.no (alf.uib.no [129.177.30.3]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EA871A0695 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 05:22:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mac27.hf.uib.no [129.177.211.27] by alf.uib.no for encore@utdallas.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.16) id 15Ocqu-00010v-00; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:22:16 +0200 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:24:17 +0200 Subject: [encore] Re: Call it FubarMOO... From: Jan Rune Holmevik To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 158 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jan.holmevik@hedb.uib.no Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore I've had a look at this and it seems to me that the reason why you are having problems is that you are using the enCore 3.0 directory structure on what appears to be a 2.1.1 database. In version 3.0 I changed the organization of the enCore directories so that images now reside in /encore/images/icons and not in /encore/images as before. As an example, one url in your MOO is http://144.80.145.127/oakmoo/encore/images/exit.gif The actual icon location, however, is http://144.80.145.127/oakmoo/encore/images/icons/exit.gif What you need to do is apply the enCore 3.0 patch Good luck, Jan on 7/22/01 11:27 PM, Rob Koch Jr. at rtk@stargate.net wrote: > Hey all, > > I need a bit of help/advice. For various reasons I'd rather not get into in > great detail, we had to re-install our RedHat Linux (actually upgraded to > 7.1 -- RAIDs and Mirrors and such)... Anyway, afterward, we reinstalled the > MOO, but did it in another file location. As it appears now, we have the > two halves (telnet and web), but no icons or images. When I look at the > properties of the various icons through the "browse the MOO" feature on the > login page, I see that the icons are still directed toward the old file > location. Is there a way that I can change the file location for all the > icons, or do I need to go in and change each one? And, either way, what is > the best way to do it, if it's possible? > > Please let me know asap. > > Best, > > Rob > > http://144.80.145.127:7000 > > > > From rtk@stargate.net Mon Jul 23 10:59:23 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:59:24 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BB4928772 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:59:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.141]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 32C651A0072 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:59:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 28994 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 16:00:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ) (206.210.69.171) by smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 23 Jul 2001 16:00:00 -0000 Received: from 144.80.145.127 (SquirrelMail authenticated user rtk@stargate.net) by mail.stargate.net with HTTP; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:59:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <34186.144.80.145.127.995903998.squirrel@mail.stargate.net> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:59:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [encore] Re: Call it FubarMOO... From: To: encore@utdallas.edu In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.0.6) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-archive-position: 159 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: rtk@stargate.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Well, It worked. Jeez... you know that saying "the wheel's spinning, but the hamster's dead?"... Anyway, this raises another question. I thought, as I've been backing up the MOO database to a zip disk all this time, that it would have been upgraded as well after I did the 3.0 Patch the first time. Is there something I'm missing regarding how to save the backup that would have left me in this predicament? I mean, if what I saved on zip turned out to be 2.1.1 even after I had installed the 3.0 patch, what will it be saved as now? 2.1.1 or 3.0? Not a pressing question, but one I'm going to have to look in to a bit. Best, Rob > I've had a look at this and it seems to me that the reason why you are > having problems is that you are using the enCore 3.0 directory > structure on what appears to be a 2.1.1 database. In version 3.0 I > changed the > organization of the enCore directories so that images now reside in > /encore/images/icons and not in /encore/images as before. > > As an example, one url in your MOO is > > http://144.80.145.127/oakmoo/encore/images/exit.gif > > The actual icon location, however, is > > http://144.80.145.127/oakmoo/encore/images/icons/exit.gif > > What you need to do is apply the enCore 3.0 patch > > Good luck, Jan > > on 7/22/01 11:27 PM, Rob Koch Jr. at rtk@stargate.net wrote: > >> Hey all, >> >> I need a bit of help/advice. For various reasons I'd rather not get >> into in great detail, we had to re-install our RedHat Linux (actually >> upgraded to 7.1 -- RAIDs and Mirrors and such)... Anyway, afterward, >> we reinstalled the MOO, but did it in another file location. As it >> appears now, we have the two halves (telnet and web), but no icons or >> images. When I look at the properties of the various icons through >> the "browse the MOO" feature on the login page, I see that the icons >> are still directed toward the old file location. Is there a way that >> I can change the file location for all the icons, or do I need to go >> in and change each one? And, either way, what is the best way to do >> it, if it's possible? >> >> Please let me know asap. >> >> Best, >> >> Rob >> >> http://144.80.145.127:7000 >> >> >> >> From jan.holmevik@hedb.uib.no Tue Jul 24 06:22:11 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 24 Jul 2001 06:22:11 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 045CC2888A for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 06:22:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from alf.uib.no (alf.uib.no [129.177.30.3]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C9081A067C for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 06:22:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mac27.hf.uib.no [129.177.211.27] by alf.uib.no for encore@utdallas.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.16) id 15P0GB-0003lQ-00; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:21:55 +0200 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:23:56 +0200 Subject: [encore] Re: Call it FubarMOO... From: Jan Rune Holmevik To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <34186.144.80.145.127.995903998.squirrel@mail.stargate.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 160 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jan.holmevik@hedb.uib.no Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore If you are using the restart script that comes with the LambdaMOO server distribution, you will, after you have started the MOO, have three database files in your moo directory, these are named along the lines of; database, database.db and database.db.new. When the MOO checkpoints, it writes to the file database.db.new. Hence, this file will always contain the most recent version of the database. However, when you shut down the MOO server, the file database.db.new is copied to database.db, and the .new-file is eventually deleted. So, to be absolutely sure that you always copy the very latest version of your database always work with the .new file if it exists. As an example, here's what I do before upgrading a database: 1) @shutdown the MOO 2) Go to Unix shell and make a copy of the .new file, i.e. cp database.db.new database.bkup 3) Restart the MOO as usual and apply the patch. 4) If anything goes wrong with the upgrade - Shutdown the MOO - Shell to Unix and restore the database cp database.bkup database.db - Restart the MOO and try patching again. I'm also using a cron script to make incremental backups of the database. Feel free to use the scripts, but be sure to adapt them to your local system The crontab script. (Runs every 12 hours) 0 0,12 * * * /export/elsie/lingua/makebackup The Makebackup script (automatically store one week worth of backups) /usr/local/bin/gzip -c --best /export/elsie/lingua/lingua.db.new > /export/elsie/lingua/lingua.tmp.gz 2> /dev/null cp /export/elsie/lingua/lingua.tmp.gz /export/elsie/lingua/backup/lingua_`date +%a`.db.gz This simple script compresses the latest version of the database, then copies it to a directory on a different disk. The file is also give a new name according to which day of the week it is. When the week is up, the oldest file is automatically overwritten, so that I always have seven different backups on the database. My backup directory looks like this: -rw------- 1 janruneh 8250131 Jul 20 12:00 lingua_Fri.db.gz -rw------- 1 janruneh 8270940 Jul 23 12:00 lingua_Mon.db.gz -rw------- 1 janruneh 8260646 Jul 21 12:00 lingua_Sat.db.gz -rw------- 1 janruneh 8270075 Jul 22 12:00 lingua_Sun.db.gz -rw----r-- 1 janruneh 8254840 Jul 19 12:00 lingua_Thu.db.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 janruneh 8271844 Jul 24 00:00 lingua_Tue.db.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 janruneh 8251478 Jul 18 12:00 lingua_Wed.db.gz Cheers, jan on 7/23/01 5:59 PM, rtk@stargate.net at rtk@stargate.net wrote: > Well, It worked. Jeez... you know that saying "the wheel's spinning, but > the hamster's dead?"... > > Anyway, this raises another question. I thought, as I've been backing up > the MOO database to a zip disk all this time, that it would have been > upgraded as well after I did the 3.0 Patch the first time. Is there > something I'm missing regarding how to save the backup that would have left > me in this predicament? I mean, if what I saved on zip turned out to be > 2.1.1 even after I had installed the 3.0 patch, what will it be saved as > now? 2.1.1 or 3.0? > > Not a pressing question, but one I'm going to have to look in to a bit. > > Best, > > Rob > >> I've had a look at this and it seems to me that the reason why you are >> having problems is that you are using the enCore 3.0 directory >> structure on what appears to be a 2.1.1 database. In version 3.0 I >> changed the >> organization of the enCore directories so that images now reside in >> /encore/images/icons and not in /encore/images as before. >> >> As an example, one url in your MOO is >> >> http://144.80.145.127/oakmoo/encore/images/exit.gif >> >> The actual icon location, however, is >> >> http://144.80.145.127/oakmoo/encore/images/icons/exit.gif >> >> What you need to do is apply the enCore 3.0 patch >> >> Good luck, Jan >> >> on 7/22/01 11:27 PM, Rob Koch Jr. at rtk@stargate.net wrote: >> >>> Hey all, >>> >>> I need a bit of help/advice. For various reasons I'd rather not get >>> into in great detail, we had to re-install our RedHat Linux (actually >>> upgraded to 7.1 -- RAIDs and Mirrors and such)... Anyway, afterward, >>> we reinstalled the MOO, but did it in another file location. As it >>> appears now, we have the two halves (telnet and web), but no icons or >>> images. When I look at the properties of the various icons through >>> the "browse the MOO" feature on the login page, I see that the icons >>> are still directed toward the old file location. Is there a way that >>> I can change the file location for all the icons, or do I need to go >>> in and change each one? And, either way, what is the best way to do >>> it, if it's possible? >>> >>> Please let me know asap. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Rob From jason.nolan@utoronto.ca Wed Jul 25 20:22:31 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:22:32 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55C04286F1 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:22:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts13.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.34]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BC5E1A0ACA for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:22:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [10.0.1.2] ([64.229.98.248]) by tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20010726012224.COKQ28105.tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net@[10.0.1.2]>; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:22:24 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jason.nolan@mailbox91.utcc.utoronto.ca Message-Id: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:22:19 -0400 To: Encore Mailing List From: JASON NOLAN Subject: [encore] Object Editing of Properties on Lingua and Encore Cc: Katherine Parrish Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-archive-position: 161 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jason.nolan@utoronto.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore On lingua, if you go to Program > (any object) > (any prop), the prop field will appear, but without a button to save your work. I tried to edit my alias file. On our moo, Xpress is tossing up an error when you try to edit a prop using the Program editor. Any ideas what's causing it on lingua? Then we should be able to track down the problem on our implimentation. TIA, Jason -- Jason Nolan, PhD Project Director Project Achieve: Schoolnet's MOO http://moo.schoolnet.ca http://achieve.utoronto.ca From rtk@stargate.net Wed Jul 25 21:11:15 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:11:15 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E648286F1 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:11:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from smtp2.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp2.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.142]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 7645219FFEC for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:10:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 850 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 02:09:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO t4k7j9) (144.80.92.145) by smtp2.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 26 Jul 2001 02:09:27 -0000 From: "Rob Koch Jr." To: Subject: [encore] A Comprehensive List of Users and Locating new student accounts Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 22:17:27 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <001201c10983$397f14c0$0600a8c0@edgewater> X-archive-position: 162 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: rtk@stargate.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Hey All, Two things: Is there some feature or function to use to get a list of everyone who has an account in the MOO, whether logged in or not? Is there a way to set the home location of a new account? For instance, I am providing accounts to 25 Freshman Comp Students. I would like home to be set in my virtual cafe. Can I do this on my own when I create the accounts, or must I wait until they log in and have them set home on the first day? I haven't been able to find the answers to these, and I think I've clicked on just about every button under the help file. Thanks, Rob From aborgia@videotron.ca Wed Jul 25 21:47:08 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:47:09 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57608286F1 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:47:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from VL-MS-MR001.sc1.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9C4A1A0BBD for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:47:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from P166 ([24.200.74.17]) by VL-MS-MR001.sc1.videotron.ca (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GH27QD05.JMD for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 22:47:01 -0400 Message-ID: <001301c116aa$def47a60$0100a8c0@WinProxy> From: "Alexandre Borgia" To: References: Subject: [encore] Re: A Comprehensive List of Users and Locating new student accounts Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 10:46:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-archive-position: 163 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: aborgia@videotron.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore > Is there some feature or function to use to get a list of everyone who has > an account in the MOO, whether logged in or not? There's probably a wizardry tool or fonction that already does that although I can't seem to remember what it would be.. Making a verb that lists all the MOO players is pretty simple (you can create a new verb and past this code into it): players = {}; for i in (players()) players = {@players, tostr(i.name, " (", i, ")")}; endfor player:tell_lines($string_utils:columnize(players, 3)); Note: Housekeeper, Hacker and Everyman are not "real players", they are needed for various MOO tasks and shouldn't be messed around with. This simple verb won't sort or perform checkup on the players so you'll get them in the listing. > Is there a way to set the home location of a new account? For instance, I > am providing accounts to 25 Freshman Comp Students. I would like home to be > set in my virtual cafe. Can I do this on my own when I create the accounts, > or must I wait until they log in and have them set home on the first day? Set the "home" property on their player-object to the object # of your virtual cafe. Example: @set Anita.home to #353 There is a way to automate this if you can create a list of those 25 students. Hope this help! - Korbeau From jason.nolan@utoronto.ca Wed Jul 25 21:50:22 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:50:22 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54995286F1 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:50:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts6.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.26]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E37BF1A0BBD for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:50:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [10.0.1.2] ([64.229.98.248]) by tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20010726024341.EUOP2436.tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@[10.0.1.2]> for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 22:43:41 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jason.nolan@mailbox91.utcc.utoronto.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 22:43:32 -0400 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: JASON NOLAN Subject: [encore] Re: A Comprehensive List of Users and Locating new student accounts Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-archive-position: 164 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jason.nolan@utoronto.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore @lastlog will give you a list of every account, and the last connection time. It is part of Encore, though if you have lots of players, you may run out of ticks listing them. As for home try typing @show me.home You can set a new users home by typeing @set #xxx.home to here If xxx is the object number of the new player, and you are IN your virtual cafe when you type the command. Any help? Jason >Hey All, > >Two things: > >Is there some feature or function to use to get a list of everyone who has >an account in the MOO, whether logged in or not? > >Is there a way to set the home location of a new account? For instance, I >am providing accounts to 25 Freshman Comp Students. I would like home to be >set in my virtual cafe. Can I do this on my own when I create the accounts, >or must I wait until they log in and have them set home on the first day? > >I haven't been able to find the answers to these, and I think I've clicked >on just about every button under the help file. > >Thanks, > >Rob From jan.holmevik@uib.no Thu Jul 26 04:45:24 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 26 Jul 2001 04:45:24 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEAE1286F1 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 04:45:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from alf.uib.no (alf.uib.no [129.177.30.3]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88CAE1A0C7B for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 04:45:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mac27.hf.uib.no [129.177.211.27] by alf.uib.no for encore@utdallas.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.16) id 15Phhf-000643-00; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:45:11 +0200 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:47:16 +0200 Subject: [encore] Re: Object Editing of Properties on Lingua and Encore From: Jan Rune Holmevik To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 165 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jan.holmevik@uib.no Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore The Xpress Program editor was designed to observe permission flags on verbs and properties. This means that you can inspect any property that is readable, but you cannot edit and save it unless you own it and the property's C-flag (change) is set. When the C-flag is set the property is, for all practical purposes, treated as a constant. In Lingua, for example, the c-flag on $player.aliases is not set. This means that the property cannot be modified using the Xpress editor. The property, however is not a constant, but it requires a certain format, and thus, to prevent players from accidentally saving the property in a format that would break the system it cannot be modified with Xpress. Hope this helps, Jan on 7/26/01 3:22 AM, JASON NOLAN at jason.nolan@utoronto.ca wrote: > On lingua, if you go to Program > (any object) > (any prop), the prop > field will appear, but without a button to save your work. I tried to > edit my alias file. > > On our moo, Xpress is tossing up an error when you try to edit a prop > using the Program editor. > > Any ideas what's causing it on lingua? Then we should be able to > track down the problem on our implimentation. > > TIA, > > Jason __Jan Rune Holmevik, Cand Philol_________________________________________ University of Bergen jan@mac.com Department of Humanistic Informatics jan.holmevik@uib.no Sydnesplass 7, HF-bygget janruneh@utdallas.edu N-5007 Bergen, NORWAY http://lingua.utdallas.edu/jan From jason.nolan@utoronto.ca Thu Jul 26 05:25:30 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Thu, 26 Jul 2001 05:25:31 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CB07286F1 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 05:25:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts14.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.35]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD5FB1A0617 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 05:25:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [10.0.1.2] ([64.229.99.10]) by tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20010726102522.IAGV6123.tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net@[10.0.1.2]> for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 06:25:22 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jason.nolan@mailbox91.utcc.utoronto.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 06:13:31 -0400 To: encore@utdallas.edu From: JASON NOLAN Subject: [encore] Re: Object Editing of Properties on Lingua and Encore Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-archive-position: 166 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: jason.nolan@utoronto.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Thanks Jan; No it doesn't help. It would help if it said, in the window (You cannot save these properties in the GUI. But you can look at them. Here is how you change them in the text window...). That would be a remedially valid pedagogical solution in my class. Any other new nuggets that I missed in the upgrade to 3.0? Thanks, Jason >The Xpress Program editor was designed to observe permission flags on verbs >and properties. This means that you can inspect any property that is >readable, but you cannot edit and save it unless you own it and the >property's C-flag (change) is set. When the C-flag is set the property is, >for all practical purposes, treated as a constant. > >In Lingua, for example, the c-flag on $player.aliases is not set. This means >that the property cannot be modified using the Xpress editor. The property, >however is not a constant, but it requires a certain format, and thus, to >prevent players from accidentally saving the property in a format that would >break the system it cannot be modified with Xpress. > >Hope this helps, >Jan > >on 7/26/01 3:22 AM, JASON NOLAN at jason.nolan@utoronto.ca wrote: > >> On lingua, if you go to Program > (any object) > (any prop), the prop >> field will appear, but without a button to save your work. I tried to >> edit my alias file. >> >> On our moo, Xpress is tossing up an error when you try to edit a prop >> using the Program editor. >> >> Any ideas what's causing it on lingua? Then we should be able to >> track down the problem on our implimentation. >> >> TIA, >> >> Jason > > >__Jan Rune Holmevik, Cand Philol_________________________________________ >University of Bergen jan@mac.com >Department of Humanistic Informatics jan.holmevik@uib.no >Sydnesplass 7, HF-bygget janruneh@utdallas.edu >N-5007 Bergen, NORWAY http://lingua.utdallas.edu/jan From herve@hawaii.edu Fri Jul 27 22:35:07 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Fri, 27 Jul 2001 22:35:08 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1B7128772 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 22:35:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from m1.hawaii.edu (m1.hawaii.edu [128.171.94.13]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E7E21A0914 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 22:35:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.m1.hawaii.edu by m1.hawaii.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #38433) id <0GH500201ZA497@m1.hawaii.edu>; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 17:34:52 -1000 (HST) Received: from herve.phys.hawaii.edu (herve.phys.hawaii.edu [128.171.11.114]) by m1.hawaii.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #38433) with ESMTP id <0GH50020JZA472@m1.hawaii.edu>; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 17:34:52 -1000 (HST) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 12:53:07 -1000 (HST) From: rv Subject: [encore] FAQ for people who want to start their own MOO X-Sender: herve@herve.phys.hawaii.edu To: encore@utdallas.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-archive-position: 167 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: herve@hawaii.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore A resource file for the above purpose at: http://moo.kcc.hawaii.edu/~moo/MOO/files/documentation/wizbasics.html Thank you for all the people who have helped me to start, build, orientate, and obtain information needed for this project. Please send suggestions, comments or efforts if interested in developing it. Aloha, -rv, :) ------- "Doué d'une naïveté permanente, il vivait plus que les autres" Vian. http://www2.hawaii.edu/~herve/ ------------------------------ From egoff@mindspring.com Sat Jul 28 19:36:46 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Sat, 28 Jul 2001 19:36:47 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78F4C286F1 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2001 19:36:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBD981A036C for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2001 19:36:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Master (user-2ivesmu.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.114.222]) by barry.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA23205; Sat, 28 Jul 2001 20:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010728203532.007e3850@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: egoff@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 20:35:32 -0400 To: encore@utdallas.edu, encore@utdallas.edu From: egoff Subject: [encore] Re: FAQ for people who want to start their own MOO In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-archive-position: 168 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: egoff@mindspring.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Find all the programmer tutorials and docs you can. Write up things you've found and send them in. Better to be told that someone's been there done that. Than for a newbie to struggle thru it. Looks like a good beginning. From j.turner@qut.edu.au Sun Jul 29 20:47:30 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Sun, 29 Jul 2001 20:47:31 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62AE1288A1 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2001 20:47:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tu01m1.qut.edu.au (mail.qut.edu.au [131.181.127.183]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 426E41A05B0 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2001 20:47:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by tu01m1.qut.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-33 #46658) id <0GH90FN01JMR6U@tu01m1.qut.edu.au> for encore@utdallas.edu; Mon, 30 Jul 2001 11:47:16 +1000 (EST) Received: from pigeon.qut.edu.au (pigeon.qut.edu.au [131.181.127.98]) by tu01m1.qut.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-33 #46658) with ESMTP id <0GH90JV0VJMRO6@tu01m1.qut.edu.au>; Mon, 30 Jul 2001 11:47:15 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (turnerj@localhost) by pigeon.qut.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA31682; Mon, 30 Jul 2001 11:47:14 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 11:47:14 +1000 (EST) From: "truna aka j.turner" Subject: [encore] Re: wiz FAQ In-reply-to: To: rv Cc: encore@utdallas.edu, lirvin@accdvm.accd.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-archive-position: 169 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: j.turner@qut.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore hello and JOY! thanks to those who are posting the wiz-faqs and matics .... my back is broke after sitting and creating eighty plus student characters last nite and i wanted you all to know how grateful i was that there are help pages developing out there ........ i felt not-alone ... thanks love truna ***************************************************** Truna aka J.Turner : Educational Technology Interface Lecturer in Technology, Literacy & Language Queensland University of Technology Australia ***************************************************** Internet 101 (IDMT): http://www.cdes.qut.edu.au/units/aan818/draft/ Technology & Language Learning: http://www.fed.qut.edu.au/tesol/cln618 The eMU papers: http://www.fed.qut.edu.au/tesol/cmc/emu/ Jalapeno : jalapeno@qut.edu.au ) Personal email : j.turner@qut.edu.au 8==%^^^^^^^^^^~/^^' Business email : truna@truna.net " truna " ICQ : #12145525 From gordoneng@att.net Mon Jul 30 11:40:14 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 30 Jul 2001 11:40:15 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 296712889F for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2001 11:40:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.48]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A37C1A045A for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2001 11:39:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from webmail.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.135.40]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with SMTP id <20010730163924.YPDM8490.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2001 16:39:24 +0000 Received: from [170.148.33.5] by webmail.worldnet.att.net; Mon, 30 Jul 2001 16:39:23 +0000 From: gordoneng@att.net To: encore@utdallas.edu Subject: [encore] Mooing thru a network connection Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 16:39:23 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (May 2 2001) Message-Id: <20010730163924.YPDM8490.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> X-archive-position: 170 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: gordoneng@att.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore I use multiple computers to share a single internet connection via a proxy server. My computers are linked by cat 5 cable and a LAN. Whenever I try to use my Moo thru one of my linked computers, it doesn't work. I always get an error message,"connections to MOO failed" or something like that. The main computer, the one directly linked to the internet, however has no problem making the connection. Yet on the satellite computers, I have no problem browsing the internet through the proxy server. It's just the MOO client that malfunctions. Does anyone know why this is and what I can do if anything to work around it? Thanks in advance for any kind of guidance on this issue. From aborgia@videotron.ca Mon Jul 30 19:07:51 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 30 Jul 2001 19:07:52 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40BC4288E2 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2001 19:07:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from VL-MS-MR002.sc1.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 896071A06A6 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2001 19:07:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from P166 ([24.200.74.17]) by VL-MS-MR002.sc1.videotron.ca (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GHB9OJ02.U27 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2001 20:07:31 -0400 Message-ID: <000701c11a81$f20c99e0$0100a8c0@WinProxy> From: "Alexandre Borgia" To: References: <20010730163924.YPDM8490.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Subject: [encore] Re: Mooing thru a network connection Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 08:03:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-archive-position: 171 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: aborgia@videotron.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Bonjour, I'm behind a proxy server as well and knows how it can be troublesome to set up some spécific protocols or applications! Since a couple of years I'm using WinProxy, which have a neat "Transparent Proxy" feature that configures, opens and reroutes proxy connections in the background so no extra settings are required. The computer actually works with no proxy settings at all - it emulates a direct connection to the Internet. Exept for some online games everything has always worked fine with it. I don't want to "plug" WinProxy in particular, but I want to tell you that such alternatives are possible. I don't know which proxy server you use - some are very simple and some very complex to manage, but I think the idea is to get the MOO port opened and binded from a computer the another. You'd probably need to make an incoming and outgoing TCP protocol binded from the net to one of your LAN's machine. The port would be what shows on the http address of the MOO, http://blah.com:xxxx (xxxx in this example) If you are the "network administrator" (which can be a pretty big title if you only use a 5-computers home network:), you have probably already dealt with such things - if not, ask him to do it. Hmm, now I was completly forgetting about enCore using the web protocol ... check your web proxy settings, sometimes it have an option like 'only enable web connections on port 80'. Now, you want to have web connections on another port (ie: 7000), so check this out. Try around - maybe you can contact your proxy manufacturer's technical assistance and tell them that you want to open a web connection on port xxxx. It makes a while I haven't configured proxies since I'm behind this Transparent thing, but if you want to send privately some more info about the software you are using and the configuration you have, feel free to do it and I'll help the best I can! - Alexandre Borgia ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 12:39 PM Subject: [encore] Mooing thru a network connection > I use multiple computers to share a single internet > connection via a proxy server. My computers are linked by > cat 5 cable and a LAN. Whenever I try to use my Moo thru > one of my linked computers, it doesn't work. I always get > an error message,"connections to MOO failed" or something > like that. The main computer, the one directly linked to > the internet, however has no problem making the > connection. Yet on the satellite computers, I have no > problem browsing the internet through the proxy server. > It's just the MOO client that malfunctions. Does anyone > know why this is and what I can do if anything to work > around it? > > Thanks in advance for any kind of guidance on this issue. > From egoff@mindspring.com Mon Jul 30 21:18:05 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Mon, 30 Jul 2001 21:18:05 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60AD0288E7 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2001 21:18:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D08D91A0738 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2001 21:18:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Master (user-2ivespj.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.115.51]) by barry.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA09551; Mon, 30 Jul 2001 22:17:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010730221633.007e9720@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: egoff@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 22:16:33 -0400 To: encore@utdallas.edu, encore@utdallas.edu From: egoff Subject: [encore] Re: Mooing thru a network connection In-Reply-To: <20010730163924.YPDM8490.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail .worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-archive-position: 172 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: egoff@mindspring.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore RE: proxy stuff Thats because it is a proxy. Each port, connection, ect has to be set by hadn on EVERY machine. Suggest. Get a hardware router or a software one. Makes life SO much easier. From joe@bridgewater.edu Tue Jul 31 21:15:10 2001 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list encore); Tue, 31 Jul 2001 21:15:11 -0500 Return-Path: Delivered-To: encore@nobel.utdallas.edu Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (null-smtp.utdallas.edu [192.168.1.1]) by nobel.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BBCA288A3 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 21:15:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Saturn.bridgewater.edu (Saturn.bridgewater.edu [147.138.10.40]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E0BC1A04AD for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 21:15:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Saturn.bridgewater.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA26833 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 22:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 22:15:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Meslovich To: Subject: [encore] Upgrade question Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 173 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu Errors-to: encore-bounce@utdallas.edu X-original-sender: joe@bridgewater.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: encore@utdallas.edu List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: encore Please excuse me if this question has been brought up on this list before, but I just subscribed to the list in the hopes of finding the solution to this problem. My institution Bridgewater College has used the MOO for the last couple years, and this we I set upon the task of upgrading the enCore database from 2.1.1 to 3.01. I followed the instructions and downloaded the latest enCore tar ball and got the two patches I needed. I extracted the tar ball and put it in the proper places and patched the system. Anyway when I go to log in not I get a File 404 error when it is doing the $xpress_client:vertical_layout call. The thing I see from my investigation is that I don't have an Xpress_client folder on my web server in the encore directory. The only problem is that I don't see the Express_client in the tar ball either. If there is a fix to this problem. Please point me in the proper direction. Was the Xpress_client supposed to be part of that tar ball? Joe Meslovich ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Meslovich joe@bridgewater.edu Associate Network/Systems Engineer College Box 499 Tel: (540) 828 - 5343